The Jordan Harbinger Show
1152: Freakish Food Fixation Fractures Friendship | Feedback Friday
Fri, 09 May 2025
Your four-day hosting gig turned into a bizarre menu-reading tour with zero attractions, silent meals, and a shocking snack heist. It's Feedback Friday!And in case you didn't already know it, Jordan Harbinger (@JordanHarbinger) and Gabriel Mizrahi (@GabeMizrahi) banter and take your comments and questions for Feedback Friday right here every week! If you want us to answer your question, register your feedback, or tell your story on one of our upcoming weekly Feedback Friday episodes, drop us a line at [email protected]. Now let's dive in!Jordan's must reads (including books from this episode): AcceleratEdFull show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1152On This Week's Feedback Friday:Jordan went to China (and, surprisingly, they allowed him to come back)!Your friend visited you in New Orleans and spent 70% of the trip obsessively researching restaurant menus but ordered only basic food, ignored activities you suggested, and showed no interest in spending quality time together. She took snacks you bought and left you with Uber bills. Could her fixation be affecting the marriage in which her husband is sleeping in another room?You've trained in Brazilian jiu-jitsu for years and supported your coach by paying dues even when you couldn't attend. When you tried to cancel your membership, your coach claimed there was a 10-day cancellation window not mentioned in your contract and became aggressive when you pushed back. How do you handle a potentially volatile martial arts instructor?Your son has shown challenging, aggressive behavior since childhood, yet excels professionally. He's made false accusations about your parenting, demanded you admit to things you didn't do to maintain a relationship with your grandchildren, and has shown concerning behavior in his marriage. How do you maintain a relationship with your grandchildren under these circumstances?Recommendation of the Week: The Beast Insulated TumblerAfter writing in previously as a 35-year-old virgin, you dated someone for three months, had your first sexual experience, and though you broke up, you've maintained a genuine friendship. Her children call you "uncle" and you're part of each other's lives, but you wonder if new romantic partners will accept your friendship. Can Harry and Sally really be friends?Have any questions, comments, or stories you'd like to share with us? Drop us a line at [email protected]!Connect with Jordan on Twitter at @JordanHarbinger and Instagram at @jordanharbinger.Connect with Gabriel on Twitter at @GabeMizrahi and Instagram @gabrielmizrahi.And if you're still game to support us, please leave a review here — even one sentence helps! Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course!Subscribe to our once-a-week Wee Bit Wiser newsletter today and start filling your Wednesdays with wisdom!Do you even Reddit, bro? Join us at r/JordanHarbinger!This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors:SimpliSafe: 50% off + 1st month free: simplisafe.com/jordanAura Frames: $35 off: auraframes.com, code JORDANDeleteMe: 20% off: joindeleteme.com/jordan, code JORDANBetterHelp: 10% off first month: betterhelp.com/jordanHomes.com: Find your home: homes.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is Feedback Friday on The Jordan Harbinger Show?
Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with Feedback Friday producer, my co-pilot on this flight where you never pay extra for bringing your baggage, Gabriel Mizrahi.
Everybody gets to bring their baggage on this flight, and there's no weight limit. No.
Now that Southwest just got rid of free bags, we're really your only option, whether you like it or not. How's that?
Feedback air. That's what we're called.
Man, imagine if we started an airline. Passengers just encouraged to share their drama with one another. The flight attendants give you advice by the lavatory. No peanuts, because somebody might be allergic.
Economy class is basically our subreddit.
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Chapter 2: What happened on Jordan's recent trip to China?
We also did a Skeptical Sunday last Sunday on slavery, how it still very much exists and is actually more prevalent than ever, which is both incredibly depressing and wild and something I wasn't even sure that I was going to believe until I saw the numbers. On Fridays, though, we take listener letters, offer advice, play obnoxious soundbites, and rehash our own bizarre stories.
Speaking of which, you just got back from China. That's right. China! And Taiwan. And Taiwan. You don't have that sound clip idea. And Taiwan! Taiwan! Jace, tell people what timestamp they can go to if they don't care about my trip to China.
Sure thing, Jordan. If at any point you'd like to skip this next section, you can jump to the first question around 21 minutes and 30 seconds. It all depends if you heard an advert at the top of the show or not. If you skip to somewhere around there, you should be able to find it. Enjoy the show.
Um, how's the jet lag? You look okay.
No, I'm not okay. First of all, the jet lag is brutal. And I use Flykit and you can use our code Jordan Harbinger. It's an amazing product that limits your jet lag. What doesn't limit my jet lag or doesn't allow me to do Flykit like you're supposed to actually do. Is having to. Is having two young children, because what happens is they're like, I'm not tired.
And I'm like, I know you're not lying about not being tired, because even though it's 10 p.m. here and you were supposed to be in bed hours ago, it's nine o'clock in the morning or whatever in the other place. So we force them to go to bed. They can't go to bed till really late. They're rolling around. They don't want to go to sleep. Then they get up at one, two, three, four a.m.
and they're like, I'm hungry. normally when your kid wakes up and goes, I'm hungry, you're just like, ah, you just don't want to go to sleep. No, you're starving because you barely ate dinner because it was a weird time in the old time zone. And now you're starving because you missed lunch and now it's dinner time in the other time zone. So it's really been hard.
So I've been up from 1am to 4am, you know, sleep a little bit before that, sleep a little bit after that. So my aura ring is like, are you trying to kill yourself or what? That's basically what's happening.
I'm just glad you got back safe. I'm not going to lie. When you told me you were going, I was a little bit worried because you've been talking about how you've done all these episodes about the CCP. So I can't go back to China. And then you were going to go back to China. I was like, are you sure that's a good idea?
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Chapter 3: How do you handle a friend's unusual food obsession?
Different. But yeah. And then so the question is, do they destroy the whole island so that Xi Jinping can look strong or do they just negotiate and figure out how to make closer ties? And OK, over the next 20 years, we're going to slowly integrate into the mainland, yada, yada, and start doing this and retain some autonomy. I don't know.
Anyway, back to your super fun trip.
Yeah.
Any highlights?
Man, I really enjoyed it and I would go back. I definitely wanted to see more of China, not just major cities. I think there's going to be, like we were just talking about, a major conflict with China in the future.
And maybe we won't be able to go back because if we say that we're blockading them or we're cutting them off at the knees at every turn because of this whole thing, they're not going to give Americans visas or it's going to be really hard. It's going to be straight up too dangerous or really just unpleasant there because everybody you see is going to throw a rotten tomato at your head.
so I would love to go back soon. You and I should go if you're down. I don't know. We'll see.
It could be. It just takes some work to get me to China these days, but we can talk about it.
2011, 2013.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of discussing a friend's weight?
Once at my house, I showed her where the snacks were and told her to help herself any time. She was completely disinterested and had in fact brought a lot of snacks with her, which she stored in my pantry.
So annoying already.
When I again suggested a late lunch, I learned she had also pre-researched the menus of many of the restaurants near my house. She determined that they were either not for her or, quote, didn't offer enough options. So she researched more restaurants. She did not look up from her phone for an hour.
Finally, with some prodding from me, she chose a restaurant a few miles away that offers plenty of options for everyone. Once there, she poured over the menu again for nearly 30 minutes without looking up or talking. It was extreme. Then she must have asked the server 20 questions. What sauces were offered, what substitutions could be made, what the bread options were, etc.
Then sent him away so she could think some more. I've never seen anything like it. She finally ordered two appetizers and an entree, all basic fare, with no alterations or substitutes. In the first three hours, she thought and talked about food more than I do in a month.
This is why you go to the freaking Cheesecake Factory, right? For the 30-page menu, there's something for everyone. This is so bizarre. I'm secondhand irritated already, if you couldn't tell.
I can see. Yeah, you're getting worked up.
Yeah, I'm getting worked up. And I'm also trying to put myself in this situation. I almost kind of want to see something like this firsthand and then be like, okay, I don't want to deal with this anymore and leave. I've never experienced anything like this. I've never heard of anything like this.
Well, strap in, buddy boy, because things are about to get weirder. Let's see where this goes. Each morning started with two hours of her scouring restaurant menus online. Then she picked areas of the city to explore based on the food options she had found, none of which she wanted to enjoy once we were nearby. But she did want to read every single outdoor menu posted.
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Chapter 5: How can you approach sensitive topics with friends?
Tell me, and thank God, because I don't want to be the only one getting hate mailed this time. You guys can reach Gabriel at Friday at JordanHarbinger.com.
Just to set up a new inbox just for this, really. Yeah. Okay, look, they spent this trip together. They have a strong working relationship. Our friend here seems to really appreciate this woman. She's smart. She's funny. She's a great mom. She's apparently super on top of things at work. And now she's seen another aspect of her friend in this more intimate IRL setting, and she's worried.
I think she might be allowed to say, listen, I'm really glad we had this time together. I was excited to hang out with you. There's something I want to share with you. I've been going back and forth about whether to do it because honestly, I'm a little confused about it. I'm not sure it's my place. I don't know how it's going to land with you, but...
I've also asked myself what it means to be a good friend to somebody, and so I'm going to take a chance as your friend, as someone who cares about you, and tell you that some of what I saw during our time together concerned me. Specifically, the fact that so much of the trip focused on looking at restaurant menus and thinking about food. Now, look, I'm not here to judge what's fun for you.
I know you want to do this at home. You don't get to do that. I'm actually glad you felt comfortable doing it with me. If that's why you wanted to come to New Orleans, cool. What made me a little sad, though, and...
honestly concern me is I feel like this menu hunting thing got in the way of our time together, made the focus of the trip, these restaurants and getting to these restaurants and talking about these restaurants. And that left very little time or space, sometimes no time or space for you and me to really spend quality time together.
And I think it made it hard for you to fully experience my city and took over the whole trip. So I can't help but notice that restaurants and menus are really important to you. And I guess I just want to see if You can help me understand why and what was the trip like for you? I'm curious. Something like that. And go from there and see if she engages with you.
I don't think you're doing anything too controversial by starting out that way. And if it leads to her opening up about the deeper stuff that might be going on eventually, you might be glad you did it. She might not have anyone else to talk to about this. So that's kind of where my head is. What are you thinking, Jordan? Does that land at all?
No, I like it, Gabe, although I think it's equally likely that she'll dodge the question or shut down. But yeah, maybe that's a way to test the waters. I just, I can't help but notice, though, there are two things you did not touch on in that script, which are her friend's weight and the whole thing about her sticking her with the Uber bills.
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