The reporting around Woody Johnson firing Joe Douglas as the Jets GM has shown Johnson to be much more meddlesome than previous thought. Between calling for the benching of Aaron Rodgers and firing Robert Saleh without consulting the rest of the organization, Johnson has done enough to infuriate Stugotz and inspire a "Top 5 Names In Sports Who Connote a Penis" from Amin. Then, Billy shares a universally beloved take about Thanksgiving football as the crew realizes how bad the Giants and Cowboys game is going to be. Plus, how's Bill Belichick doing? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What happened with Joe Douglas and the Jets?
I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?
I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
We have failed again as a show, as we often do, not to bring you immediately or more immediately Stugatz's tears through laughter because of everything that is happening with his New York Jets.
I don't think any of us had correctly predicted that the way that Aaron Rodgers to New York would go would be one season loss after four plays and nothing positive, and then the second season resulting before...
you've gotten to the two-thirds point of the season, the firing of both the coach and the general manager, and now reported details in The Athletic that make it sound like you've got an owner who is more meddlesome than any of us ever knew. Woody Johnson is the rare person who has both first and last name that would be a reference to penis.
I think Dick Pohl is the only other one anywhere in sports, I think. Dick Carter.
I'm on it.
Former NBA assistant coach, Dick Carter.
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Chapter 2: Why is Woody Johnson considered meddlesome?
He's right, yeah. Dick Carter. Harder.
Harder, yeah.
Shlong Wiener. Hmm. Where did he play? Tell me more about 1880s second baseman for the Cleveland Spiders. Yeah, Spider, you knew. Long wiener. You knew he was a spider. He played at Moorhead State. Woody Johnson is the actual name of your owner. Both of his names are a reference to penis. He is meddlesome.
He is somebody who has some of that reputation, but even you had to be surprised by some of the details in The Athletic. Now, I don't know.
There were like eight bullet points I saw on just meddlesome behavior that suggested, and this is true in a lot of pro sports, hell, Amin can tell you this in Phoenix, where you can have an organizational structure that is otherwise sound and the owner's just a crazy person who likes to play with his toys and just makes a mess of things because he wants to change the quarterback on you.
One of the details that I did not read in that story but saw elsewhere on the internet that I don't know if it's true or not that I would like verification on. Did Woody Johnson really go in after week four of this season and want Aaron Rodgers benched in favor of Tyrod Taylor? He did.
Yeah, it's in the New York Times article.
He talked about it with Robert Sala and Joe Douglas. They said, no, you'll embarrass Aaron if you do that. I actually, in this particular case... I praise Woody Johnson for walking into that office realizing that there is something off with Aaron Rodgers. He's not playing as well. He's getting old.
And having the audacity as the owner of the Jets to suggest to the coach at GM, hey, maybe there's a guy sitting on our bench that gives us a better chance to win. I'm okay with that. I am. It's the first time I've been okay with anything Woody Johnson has ever done.
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Chapter 3: What is Woody Johnson's influence on the Jets' performance?
a coach handpicked by him. If you pay attention, he really only went there because Nathaniel Hackett was there. Hughes suggests he didn't want new. He wanted the same old familiar and didn't get that.
And besides judging his New York Jets tenure, you can also look at his personality a little further and say, hey, maybe he was his own worst enemy in Green Bay and he absolutely should have won more than one Super Bowl.
I think one of the questions that nobody asking is Woody Johnson is the fourth and his name is Robert Wood Johnson, the fourth. So his middle name they decided on is going to be Wood, just W-O-O-D. And not just that, he's the fourth one. So four people in his family have the middle name Wood and possibly another one. How did that become a name?
Because I always assumed it was Woodrow Johnson, but it's no, it's Robert. I guess there's a Bob and a Bobby already since he's the fourth. And then they said, you know what, we're going to stick with Wood as a middle name and you're just going to be Woody.
All good questions, Billy. None of which we have the answer to as I stare blankly at you. I don't I don't know how Wood became Woody. I don't know how his name became.
Well, I can guess how Wood became Woody. I don't know how Wood became a middle name. Wood was the middle name. They made him Woody.
You can guess, yes. You can guess how Wood became Woody. You can't know for sure why Robert was replaced. You don't know as we sit here how it is that all of this escalated to he preferred Wood and Woody to Robert. I don't know what's wrong with Robert.
I know why Robert Sala was replaced.
Well, one of the details in the story is that he fired Sala without telling anybody, without consulting anybody.
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Chapter 4: How did Aaron Rodgers' injury impact the Jets' season?
Do you guys realize, as we celebrate America's most popular sport only getting larger at every turn, that... Many of these people who are wildly wealthy that you credit with being brilliant because they're wildly wealthy are fools about how to run things. Just fools. Jerry Jones was all in. The Jets thought this was a Super Bowl team. The Cowboys thought they were a Super Bowl team.
That's my favorite part about all this. It's not, hey, we're not as good as we should be. You start the season and say, I'm feeling good. I feel like we can do it this year. This is my whole thing about people calling NBA teams tanking at least four or five years ago. A lot of those teams thought they were going to be good. They actually thought, hey, guys, this is our year.
We can actually make a pretty good run. And then by January you realize, oh, we suck. And then they just start playing young guys or whatever. But that's the hilarity about both the Cowboys and the Jets. The Jets literally sat here for an entire offseason saying, man, if he hadn't gotten hurt last year. But we're about to show him this year. Do you remember that Thursday night game?
Yes, but they said it last year. Hold on. Do you remember the Thursday night game? Yeah, of course. Where Aaron Rodgers threw it all over the field and you guys were like, we got a quarterback. Yeah. Yes, yes. It feels like seven years ago.
But that's the confusing part, though, is because they said going in, hey, we're a quarterback away. And now you're saying, no, no, we're any quarterback away. Let's put in Tyrod Taylor.
We're Tyrod Taylor away, which is really, really funny. The whole thing with Joe Douglas, all of this is actually really fascinating because Joe Douglas, who was fired, he put together a roster that was good enough where Aaron Rodgers at least wanted to come and play for the New York Jets. Like he got some really good players. He could just never land the quarterback.
So he got Quinn and Williams, Quincy Williams. He got Sauce Gardner, Brees Hall, Will Anderson, Garrett Wilson, got all those guys to the draft. All of those guys. That's why this is kind of a coveted job right now, only because this is the most talented the Jets have ever been.
Oh, I don't know how coveted the job is when you don't have a quarterback. You need to have a quarterback.
Dan, I don't care about the Jets and the history. I know what a wreck of a franchise it is. It's a coveted job.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications for the future of the Jets organization?
The Jets have lost... More than any team in the sport since 2017. That guy's their owner. This story reveals to everybody what it is to work for that guy. That kind of mismanagement is reflected in the standings. And you can tell me they have talent. They do have talent. But being a good quarterback away means you're not in it.
If you need to get a good quarterback to make your team good, it means you're not actually close if you've got to find one of those when those are really hard to find.
I understand everything you just said, but it's market number one and the New York Jets and plenty of people will want that job.
Stugatz, I will tell you that a division that has Josh Allen at the top of it at his age, when you've lost as much of the Jets do and have, and have that kind of dysfunction, like, yeah, okay, head coaching jobs are coveted jobs. But if you want to win, like if I'm Belichick, I don't want to go there. If you tell me I've got to win again without a quarterback, no thanks. Tried that at the end.
Didn't work with the Patriots.
If they draft his son, you think Dion wants to go there? How about that?
Right now they're sitting at seven. And, you know, as the season goes on and they get worse, they will move up in the draft order. So they can't address it in the draft. Also, remember, in Minnesota right now, Sam Darnold's playing on a one-year deal. No. J.J. McCarthy's coming back. Sam Darnold's going to need a new home. Nope. I mean, there could be a little homecoming here in New York.
Stu, it can't be that coveted of a job if your owner is telling your coach to bench the quarterback. Like, when you have that type of owner, no coach is going to be like, yeah, I want to be a part of that.
I would look at that owner today and say, that man's a genius. He saw what none of us saw. He saw a tough schedule and a quarterback hobbling around at the age of 40 and said, you know what? Tyrod Taylor.
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Chapter 6: What is the Thanksgiving football matchup like this year?
Don Libetard. Again, started on the breakfast flan. Oh man, I've been singing the song to myself all morning long. Breakfast flan. Stugatz. Have you never heard the breakfast flan song? No, hit me with it. Okay. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Breakfast flan. Where can I find a breakfast like that?
This is the Don Labrador Show with the Stugats.
Are we getting the Space Force back? Did we lose the Space Force? Remember when that was a thing? It was a great show on Netflix. Yeah, what happened? They stopped that too.
You could ask Roy Wood next week. I liked that show. But it was... As a lot of things are going away now, I don't know if people are paying attention to this the way that they should, but...
The way that Hollywood and media and everything are shaking, some of the things that you love most are going to be harder and harder to come by because corporations don't actually want to make anything interesting. They just want to make things that they know that are palatable to you, like the flux and the change.
And how wait till you get a load of how many of those University of Florida documentaries you get that don't actually tell you the parts of the story that you want to hear about. Because corporations do not want to offend these leagues. They don't want to bother these leagues that they want to get the live streams from. So you're not going to get interesting content anywhere.
You're going to get sanitized content all over the place. But I would watch a documentary on this jet season if you show me the innards. I don't think people know how common what Woody Johnson is doing there is because I know people like to think of the idea of an owner being a leader who's hands off and then trust the people that he hires to be good at their jobs or to do their jobs.
But these are rich people with toys, man, and it's some of their favorite toys. They're not going to sit out the decision making. That's why he bought a team.
He bought a team so he could...
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Chapter 7: How do fans feel about the Jets and Giants quarterback situations?
The best parts of the Giants on Hard Knocks were the GM's kid telling them that they should go for Jaden Daniels. Yes. And he was right.
That's the thing about this stuff. We make fun of Cleveland's owner when he's talking to an unhoused person on the street and then hiring Johnny Manziel. But if Manziel had been great, that unhoused person would be running the Patriots right now.
I mean, in fairness, they didn't get a chance to draft him. It didn't fall to him. And he told his son, like, eh, he's probably not still going to be around for us.
And he took Malik's neighbors.
Yeah. Do you think Fox is pissed at the Giants-Cowboys matchup on Thanksgiving Day? And it's, like, prime Thanksgiving football. Because, like, the 8-20 game, which is the Dolphins and the Packers this year, I don't know if you guys experience Thanksgiving Day the same way I do. The night game is kind of like, I'm checked out. I will watch you, but it's going to be off in the distance.
This is tryptophan or whatever it's called. You've had enough. Exactly. I'm stuffed. It's coming out of all of my pores. This one's going to be on the phone in the bathroom. Yeah. 820 is late on Thanksgiving. I'm stuffed. Okay? But the 4 o'clock is usually like, okay, 12 o'clock is a little appetizer. Parade's done. Getting ready to go where we're going to go.
12 o'clock, we have it on as we're kind of getting dressed, ready to go. 4.30 is like prime time game. Like, okay, we're eating. I might miss a quarter. We're footballing right now. I might miss a course because I'm watching football. And the 4.30 football game that we're going to get now is Tommy DeVito versus Cooper Rush. Oof.
Billy, is there any way... They should flex it out. They really should. Is there any way that I can convince you daily to try and summon from the recesses of your mind something like that that speaks for all American sports fans on a truth so singular... that everyone nodded and agreed with by the late game on Turkey Day.
I'm done, and the television is far away, and it's foggy, and I'm like footballed out and turkied out and fogged out and stuffinged out, and I'm Chris Cody watching the game in the bathroom on my phone to hide from my kid and my wife because he's had too many beers, he doesn't want to be seen, and he's just sort of catching the third quarter of Cooper Rush against Tommy DeVito.
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Chapter 8: What leads to the discussion of names in sports?
How is there no Randy Johnson? Big unit.
He has two. He has two. That is correct. That is correct. That just reminded me, the day after my brother's birthday, what you shouting he has two is something that someone shouted. My brother ran through the backyard during football games because he did not like sports, wearing nothing except the prosthetic double dong. He'd run through the backyard doing that. The character was named Mysterio.
And somebody was 48 years old.
He was about 35.
I'm not even kidding. You guys were talking when I came on here a little bit late today. You guys were saying that I should have helicoptered in because I was stuck in traffic and there was a vehicle fire out there that was very frustrating. I don't know how many... I haven't been late to work very often in my life.
I don't know that there are a lot more frustrating feelings for me than just being stuck in traffic late to a responsibility.
Imagine how they felt. I was going to say your car on fire would be pretty frustrating.
Yeah, I imagine. They had it a little bit worse than I did, just being frustrated and honking at them.
I told you he was honking.
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