Miami's very own boogeyman, Dirk Nowitzki, joins the show and Mike Ryan has fled the premises in fear. We talk to the Dallas Mavericks legend about slaying the giant in 2011 when he took down LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and the Miami Heat basically all by himself. We also dive deeper on his rivalry with Dwyane Wade and just how frosty things got at one point in time. Plus, Amin goes deep into the archive to find the stats from when Dirk and John Amaechi matched up back in the day and we make a shocking revelation that Meech may have been a Dirk Stopper. To wrap up, we play Stump The Meech with some shocking mispronunciations from Stugotz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
Mike Ryan has fled the studio the way that Amin once fled the court when Tim Duncan roared after making a game-winning shot. Mike Ryan has left because he's seen this face. He's seen this name. It's a 14-time NBA All-Star, MVP, Finals MVP, NBA champion. And when I look at him on behalf of Miami, I think Izzy will vouch for me on this. It is...
The highest compliment you can give in sports, which is, I do not dislike this man, even though he broke my heart. I must respect it. His excellence was such, I saw what those Miami teams became, and he slayed them, not by himself, but it damn sure looked like it was by himself, with him and J.J. Baret on his back like a spider monkey, like a howler monkey, carrying them and beating Dwayne.
100%.
So thank you, Dirk. Thank you, Dirk. No, but you know that that's what you did to Miami that year. Dirk, people were questioning you.
Yes, that's true. But, you know, after 2006, I had to come back and do something, right? That was a tough year where, you know, we were up 2-0 on you guys. And we were in a great position to win it all. And there's just that whole week, you know, back in the days, it was still the 2-3-2. And that whole week in Miami where we lost three straight was like a week from hell. So that'll never...
Never let me down, but I'm glad we got back in 2011 and had the chance to redeem ourselves.
I'd be curious, Dirk, given how that went in 2006. Like, I know a lot of people in retrospect will say, ah, we were the better team. But you'd have a pretty good argument if you thought those three games, Avery Johnson never stopped doubling Shaq. Like, if some things had changed there, it felt like Dallas was the better team. Would you ever say that, having lost?
I mean, I don't know. We were up 2-0 and we were up, what, over 10 points in the third game with five, six minutes left. So, I mean, we made a pretty good case over the almost three games that we were the better team. But, you know, you can never not close and say you were the better team. Now, you can say maybe...
in a series of one game where you lose, you can say we were a better team, but you can't say that in a seven game series, that's the better team usually wins. So I can't sit here and say we were the better team. I think we definitely had our chances, but once
i think our experience wasn't quite there yet once we once we lost game three they came back and four was a complete blowout and then it was so mental i mean you guys were in our heads we switched hotels uh i mean it was that whole week uh like i mentioned earlier was just uh it was just one of the toughest weeks i've ever been a part of in the nba so that's that was a week to forget and then we came home the down three two still have two home games all we had to do was
was win game six, force it to a game seven, have a home game for game seven, and we just couldn't stop the bleeding and win game six. So, yeah.
They switched hotels. It was over. It was over. The Miami Heat knew it was over at that point, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think that was just something Coach Eri tried after game four. It was just so ugly. We got blown out. It wasn't even close. And so, you know, he's like, pack your stuff. We're leaving right now. We're leaving. And so we all had to go upstairs and pack our bags and basically checked in somewhere in Fort Lauderdale somewhere. It was, yeah, once it got that far, that was pretty tough.
You guys were in our heads.
Derek, I've never been more upset with players that wear heat uniforms than I was when Dwayne and LeBron mocked you for supposedly not being sick. Like, why would you fake being sick? It's ridiculous. But that was part of the relationship between you and Dwayne. He also said something, I think, where you maybe weren't a great leader or something like that.
Could you describe sort of the relationship between you and Dwayne? Because you are two superstars who shouldn't be disliked by anybody. But for a stretch there, you disliked each other.
Yeah, I think it started with competition, and with competition every now and then, you know, emotions run a little high. And I think what started his comment was when I said, we shouldn't have lost that series. No, I think I said, obviously I was frustrated afterwards, I said,
um they stole i think he stole this and we gave it away something like that and i think that really triggered him because he felt like that this was disrespectful to their efforts and rightfully so so that was totally me after losing the serious saying something that you know obviously wasn't true and they he played an unbelievable serious and so they obviously deserved it i just
I just felt like we didn't quite execute. We didn't have experience. We didn't know how to close. So I think that triggered it all. And then he said some stuff that I didn't appreciate. And so there was, you know, there was some, I would say heated. There was just some, we kind of ignored each other for a couple of years. And there was just no relationship. There was no, no, no talking.
or even when we saw each other somewhere, there was no conversation. So and then, yeah, in 2011, it's kind of fitting that we saw each other again. And, you know, you know, it's always good now to say we're one in one with the Miami Heat and the finals. And so that's that's all it matters. But we're super cool now. We obviously win the Hall of Fame. uh, together last summer.
And that was an incredible experience and kind of a bonding thing. And, uh, on his podcast, we actually had a little moment where we, we talked about the, or aired out some of the stuff that was said. And, uh, so I, I think everything was kind of, you know, obviously in the heat of the moment and emotions and, uh, but I don't have a problem with, with, with obviously Dwayne and the person.
That's fine.
But I want the innermost thoughts when you're in a room together and you see him and you're like, I'm not going to talk to him. And if he comes over here, I'm not going to talk to him. Like, I want your innermost thoughts in there.
I think it was just like, you know, we kind of both act that the other person doesn't exist. I think... To this day, was it 07 maybe in the All-Star game in Vegas? We were the only All-Star starters that didn't high-five. I think in the history of the All-Star game. So I think that kind of sums it up a little bit.
So you're pretending he's invisible. You're like, I'm competing with him at not letting him know I know that he exists over there.
we're both acting like the other person wasn't there it was it was just awkward and like i said it was uh just something silly but um it just it started with with both sides saying something that wasn't appreciated and just we had i wouldn't even say there was just no relationship nobody neither guys wanted to talk to the other or wanted to have a conversation and we left it at that
Well, perhaps I can make you giggle with this and bring you closer to your good friends because insults and laughter are the shared intimacy of our language among men in sports. So here you go. I'm going to tickle you a little bit. Give me all your honest thoughts here at this Dwayne Wade statue.
Well, he chose this moment. You know, this is my house. And, you know, it's actually the same artist that did mine in Dallas. So I can't be too critical. Oh, no.
You can't say that that looks like Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool after he's been burned?
Oh man, the weather is cold outside here in Europe right now. Dwayne was obviously involved from the beginning, so that's obviously the most important thing. If he's happy and he feels like this represents him the right way, then we all should be moving on.
Meech, what are you laughing about? It's just incredibly diplomatic. It was so good. It was so nice. I tried to bait him into it. He wouldn't do it. John Amici is here. Dirk, do you remember ever playing against John Amici?
He absolutely does not. I would have been on the bench. He would have been on scoring and I would have been on the bench.
Yeah, I obviously remember you from Orlando. So when I got in the league, were you still in Orlando?
I think I may have been last year in Orlando.
Amin, can you find for me, please, some head-to-head stats in Amici's games against Dirk Nowitzki? Why would we do that?
One of the two of us talking has a statue, and the other one does not.
The other one is a statue.
That's why I beat his ass. I noticed that Tony is not brave enough to suggest he could beat you in one-to-one.
To Dirk? Yes. Dirk is a childhood idol of mine. I wore 41 as a kid because of Dirk. I was a bigger kid. That evaded answering the question. I'm talking to Childhood Hero really quick, though. I was a bigger kid that had a jumper, and I always looked at Dirk and be like, if I can hit a one-legged fadeaway in the JCC at five years old, I was the guy. I didn't hear an answer to the question.
What was the question?
He was asking you, we didn't want to hear from what your jump shot was at five years old. We wanted to see whether you could, whether you feel like you, if you played Dirk right now, how do you think you would do?
Do I get ball first or no? See, this is absurd.
Dirk, that guy in the back. That's always a big question with me too. Is it make it, take it? Who gets the ball first? Exactly. If you can't defend. then it's very important as it may take it or who has the ball first. So I get that. I ask that all the time too.
Okay, but he is in my studio in the back row and he thinks he can beat you.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure about that. But, you know, I do have some health issues. So my mobility is more than suspect these days. But, listen, I'll just take two dribbles, put you down on the block, and it's night-night. There you go.
The one-legged fadeaway. And there it is.
When I grew up watching, he'd hit it on me. But what if you miss one? But, Dirk, what if you miss one?
He's got to miss a little. So if I miss one, I'm going to play. I'm going to use my length and my experience. And so I'm going to give you a little cushion. I'm going to watch if you can hit the first couple. And then if you make one that I got to make you, you know, do something else. You know, I just I use my length at seven feet with a long reach and see where this is taking me.
We're going to test the lateral quickness for sure, give you maybe an up and under, see if you can get around.
Dirk, I feel like you're moving all that well these days. 20 years of running up and down at that size.
You know what? Lateral movement was an issue at 25, so it for sure is an issue at 45. I wasn't known for getting out there and showing on pick and rolls, and that was tough for me 20 years ago. You don't want to see my lateral movement now.
Dirk, do you have one moment? I'm not talking about winning the championship, but at any point in any of these games, do you feel one moment that feels better than all the others that at the end of a game, something you did where you were like, this is the best that this can feel trying to be excellent at this all my life?
Honestly, I wouldn't say 2011 was a great run, but some of the best playoff runs that I've had in my or maybe the best run I've ever had was probably in 06 when we got to the finals to beat the Spurs in that seven game series and win game seven on the road at the Spurs. was probably one of my greatest wins, the greatest achievements.
They were always the big brother, the big rivalry, and they always beat us. And so to get through there was just an amazing feeling. You know, to beat that team. Obviously, we all know how good the team was, how well coached they were. And so to get through there was probably the best series that I've been a part of over the whole seven games.
and probably the best i've played over over seven games stretch in my life we will tell the people about what you're doing with december 21st world basketball day but i mean just get me the head-to-head stats between dirk novitski and john amici did you find it what a jerk i got him right in front of me uh you guys met seven times seven times okay i must have been on the bench a lot
You played quite a few minutes in the last meeting when you were playing for the Utah Jazz. You played 20 minutes. You were 0 for 4 in that game. Nice, nice work. Zero points, two fouls, four rebounds. Dirk had 21 and six, so pretty good job right there. Yeah, I mean, not bad.
I feel like that's a pretty indicative matchup.
You were three and four against Dirk in your career, so you can hold your head high. Now, if you want the averages, Dirk averaged 21.6 points, 8.9 rebounds, and almost a block a game. You averaged 1.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, and almost a turnover and a half a game.
What's amazing about that is that that 2.3 points, that must be almost higher than my actual average. It is.
You also held Dirk. You raised your average those nights. I really picked it up on those days. And you also held Dirk below his averages. Like those numbers are not as good as Dirk numbers. You're basically a Dirk stopper as far as I can tell.
That's nice.
I would say let's leave it at that.
Tell us about what you're doing, Dirk, because you've become an ambassador for the game, World Basketball Day. You've always been an ambassador for the game. The global impact of basketball, unity through the game. You are doing what now in terms of selling the game?
Because right now, the NBA is taking quite the hit when it comes to people are saying ratings are indicative that the sport isn't as interesting as it used to be.
Yeah, I saw that too, and I'm not quite sure what to say to that. Whether it's young guys or young people don't really watch that much TV anymore or don't sit in front of the TV for two and a half, three hours anymore, I'm not quite sure. Is it really the game? Is it really that we're shooting too many threes? I just don't see that being the main reason why... People don't watch our game anymore.
I don't really believe that. I'm sure there's lots of other things or factors going into that. If I knew the answer, I would probably work in New York in the commissioner's office. But... You know, for World Basketball Day, Luca is launching his foundation. And, you know, for one of his things that he wants his foundation to do is help basketball worldwide.
So he put together like a committee of guys that help out and wanted... you know, give back and grow the game and give back to the future players. And so it's going to be interesting. I think how he wants to do it, I'm going to let him tell the story when it launches in a couple of days. But there's some cool guys and cool basketball minds.
Steph Curry's on the committee, me, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, lots of others.
so i think we're we're just trying to help the game uh grow and and develop in the right way and and so we'll see what we come up with in in the next few years and then how we take this which direction this will go but i'm excited to be a part of it and i'm i'm surprised that luca would make that one of his missions of the foundation which is amazing at that age that he's already thinking about what can i do for the for the next generation so
I'm super glad and honored to be a part of it and we'll see where this goes, where this grows.
Dirk, you're good friends with Steve Nash. You guys played together in Dallas and then Steve obviously went on to Phoenix. Did you guys ever talk about what would have happened had you guys stayed together?
Yeah, I know that's your guy. You know, Steve, I sometimes, you know, go back and think a little bit. What if? I think there were a couple of years there where some championships were for the taking. You know, we're starting in 05, maybe 06, 07. You know, obviously the Spurs were great. And then, you know, and... When Powell went to Lakers, obviously, then they took over.
Before that, KG and Paul Pierce went to Boston. KG and Ray Allen joined Paul Pierce. So that would have been tough squads to beat. But right before then, I think there were some years where it would have been possible. But, hey, you know, you just never know. I think at the end of the day, us... You know, separating was probably also good for our careers.
We both had to take on more responsibility and we probably grew in ways that we might have not grown together because of the responsibility we had to take without each other. You know, that Phoenix team was just perfect for him, for his skill set, for the speed he played the game at, and, you know, the athleticism around him was just perfect. And so, I don't know. I don't know.
Like I said, there were some few years where... Oh, stop it, Dirk. Stop it with I don't know. Stop it. Dirk, I'm so tired. I'm so tired of this.
Dirk, I'm so tired after 20 years. Like, always the diplomat. Like, stop, all right? We love watching those teams. You can say, yeah, we would have won a couple of championships. We should have stayed together. We would have had a shot. Yeah, you were great together. We loved watching it together. Ever the diplomat.
I'm sorry to yell at you. Why am I yelling at you? No, no, no, it was good. I needed it to wake up. But no, we had a great squad and we loved playing with each other and we had great chemistry. And so would that have translated? Would we have stayed healthy together? I mean, who knows? There's a thousand questions, but I think we would have had a good shot.
He is being basically brought to you on behalf of basketball. He's sponsored by basketball. It is December 21st. It's Saturday. It's World Basketball Day. It's brought to you by Dirk Nowitzki and Basketball. Dirk, thank you for being on with us.
We appreciate the time, sir. Always good seeing you. Maximum respect, sir. Always good to see you guys. All the best.
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Don Levitard. Bob Kraft. The only reason your organization is good is because of Bill Belichick. Stugatz. Belichick has done nothing since Brady left. He made the playoffs once. I think at the very least, he should not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. They should make him wait like 10 years to get it. He's an overrated coach.
This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
In the history of South Florida, there have not been a lot of enemies like that dude that the echo and the enduring thing is, ooh, I really have to respect everything that was because he beat the respect out of me. Like I knew the squad I had. I knew what I had, and Dirk beat them, and holy shit, how did he beat them? What a great presence to walk in a room with.
I wish I could carry something that felt like that around. Walk into a city, and it's like, no, I took down your dragon. You were really proud of that team. And he couldn't even move laterally.
He said it himself.
Couldn't move laterally and go ahead and recognize the second best player I had on that team in the street. Like, that's crazy what that dude did. Can we do Stump the Meech? It's long overdue. People love Stump the Meech. We've got to go out to Rose. People love Rose. She's becoming a star quickly around here. And she's got some legitimate toys now, finally, so we can show off some toys.
I told them to hurry up and buy all of those. They're making us look bad.
You have to match those.
I'm not going to match what I already just paid to put those out there. Can you please just, do we have imaging for Stump the Meech? We don't have imaging. This deserves imaging. How do we not have imaging for this? All right, let's begin, Chris Cody. How much do you dread this, Meech, or are you excited right now? Not at all. I've won many times.
You have not won. Debatable. Maybe a couple. This is the problem. Anyway, I've won many times.
You have not won many times. It's an impossible game to win. He's never won. Let's play the first Stugatz mispronunciation.
Do you remember it? Bremer? Bremer?
I have no idea.
Bremer?
Is this the easy one that we're starting off with? This is the easy one.
It actually is. Bremer?
That's not fair to go this hard. One more time, one more time, one more time.
Bremer? No, I don't know. See, I know what it is, and I hear it clearly. It's one of those ones, once I tell you, you're going to hear it. Is it one word or two words? It's one word. I thought it was plumber. Hmm. I don't like when we guess before Meech. Don't guess, because otherwise it pollutes the stream. I will say, though, it's not Plumber, just to take all the confusion out of it. So go on.
Plumber?
Plumber?
Plumber? It's one of two things, I think. I don't think anybody knows what you're saying.
Let's get Amici's guess, and then everybody else can try to guess. So, one more time.
Plumber? No, I've got nothing. I think Plumer, but that's all I can hear. Plumber?
Plumber? Remember? Remember?
Roy got it right. Hey!
Remember. I know my two guts. Once I say it, now you hear it.
Now you can hear it.
No, I can't hear it.
No, it just sounds like a frog.
It does.
If I told you you were sleeping at night... Where is that thing?
Get it out of here. It is a frog. It is a frog, actually. That's a really good call.
Outside your window. I want you to imagine. Is it moving? You're hearing its ribbit. It looks like Stugatz.
That's in my mind. Let me hear the second one.
This is not great for Meech to come out on one. No, no.
Everything's fine. Pizzit. Pizzit. Pizzit. Pieces? Is it one word or two words? One word. Pizzit. Pizzit.
That is someone who's been electrocuted.
This is the same swamp scene. The frog is outside. That is a mosquito hitting one of those electrical things.
It is an animal. The world's most terrifying farm. That is a toad that doesn't have two of its legs. Falls off on its side.
Any guesses? Pieces? Is that your final answer? The mosquitoes are dying here, John. You've got to give an answer. Any guesses around the room?
Because? Is it former Panthers goalie John Van Beesbrook?
Beezer. Beezer. No, this is business. Beezer. Beezer. Why is he saying it like that?
Beezer.
Beezer.
He's got his nuts in a vice or something.
What? This is not going well because he's 0-2. It's fine. You're 0-2. It's not fine. You're going to lose.
You're going to lose. Thank you for this word. Thank you for being my friend.
I want you to be in it at the end. I want it to be close.
You know he doesn't go home and cry after losing this day.
That's because I've won many times. He's very competitive. Listen, I'm fine. All right, number three. Dot. Dot. Dot. Dot. This isn't fair. That's not a full word. Is that one word or two? It's one word. How is that going to be two words? No, no, no. Don't do that. Don't gaslight me about this.
We've had many times where there's been an utterance that sounds like he's been shocked, and it's ended up being a complete sentence. Dot. Dot.
What animal is this in this haunting? It's like a rabbit. This haunting garbage garden.
It's a different frog. It is. It is a different species.
Let's do two frogs arguing with each other in the night.
That one's so good.
And then just occasionally a mosquito getting hit in the background.
Okay, so you have that being the sound of a moth hitting that thing that kills them on the porch because they're attracted to light. That's exactly right.
That's exactly right. That's exactly right. You got a guess here? Down to business. Dot, dot, dot.
Just keep going.
You have no shot here.
I'm just going to play this one. This one, I have the full context, so we can, Stugatz will tell you the answer. He actually doesn't say it, but you'll know what it is.
I mean, I imagine he searched foreign wine. Just somewhat clear me, please.
He means to say doctor. He's looking for some athlete to be cleared, and he just says doc. So that's doctor.
That's doctor. And then him tased in the middle of doctor.
I imagine he searched foreign wine. Just somewhat clear me, please. I wouldn't have got that in context.
That's not fair. No, but listen to what he's saying. Even when you give me the sentence, I didn't know that was doctor.
Do you realize even if you told him it was doctor, you would stump him so much he would not know it is doctor.
I don't understand how he can make the noise. That's the piece that's odd because it's almost like I need to see his lips moving to know. How do you make that? What happens to you?
Moneyball, if you get this one, we're tied. This will be a Moneyball. If you get this one, we will be tied, and then we will have a fifth one we can go to because everyone enjoys this. And everything's fine. Okay, I don't agree. Let's see what we have here. Brought up. Brought up.
Brode up. Third frog. Brode up.
It really is. It is. It is. It is a frog farm. It is a farm of frogs. Brode up.
Rumor. Brode up. Brode up.
I think it's, is it one word? One word. Is it rumor? Say it. Rumor. Rumor. That is incorrect. Any guesses from the room? Let me hear it again. Brode up. Protocol?
I was going to guess protocol. Wow. Let's see.
That tool was going to be a concussion protocol. Very good. You're right. It does feel good to win.
It does feel good to win. I wish he'd ever felt it.
I have felt it.
Let's see what we have here. Give me another one.
This is the final one, and this is two words, and I will say it's two small words.
This is the only way you've won, and I will grant you the victory if you get this. If you get this one, you win. Can you remember that you say this, though? This one is worth six points. You never win this way.
You've never won this way. See, this is what I'm talking about. Two short words here. To me. To me. To me. Also a frog drowning. This is a frog diving.
It's bouncing around on the ground. It's just a very happy frog.
Remember, two words. Dikembe Mutombo. Small words. Got a guess, John? No, just keep playing it. All right.
Let's just say you're not going to guess. It's worth a lot. You want to take a guess? You might be able to win for the first time ever. Just take a guess. Maybe you'll get it right like we got lucky on protocol.
One more time.
No, I've got nothing.
All right. He is saying is a... Here it is. Danism is a more relaxed person. Danism is a more relaxed person. Danism is a more relaxed person.
What two words did you say? Is a. Oh, no. The is is not in there. Danism is a more relaxed person. In the small sound he played, is is not in there. Danism is a more relaxed person. You've missed a piece of it.
You've missed a piece. You've missed a piece. Cheating.
You've missed a piece.
I mean, let's do the short one again. Oh, you're right. Yes. Yes. Cheating. You cheated him.
Disqualified for cheating. He wins because you're disqualified.
Seven points.
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