The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
It's a peccadillo circus (Friends)
Fri, 10 Jan 2025
Mat Ryer is back! He plays the piano, we tell each other truths/lies, we pay homage to the 8" floppy disk, Mat accepts an open source medal, and so much more. It's a real circus. MatGPT!
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We can do that by opening up Replay from not just web, but going to mobile. I think that's the most important needle to move.
So I know one of the things that developers waste so much time on is reproducing some sort of user interface error or some sort of user flow error. And now there is session replay. To me, it really does seem like the killer feature for Sentry.
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Well, Matt is back, but with no guitar.
No, no, I thought I'd switch things up a little bit. And what I've done is I've brought my piano, look.
Love it. I didn't know. Actually, I did know that you played piano because I think you sent me a few piano tunes throughout the days, but I kind of forgot.
i know uh i'm better on the piano than i can't really play the guitar oh you fooled us yeah i just learned some tricks you don't need to learn how to play it's like coding you don't have to learn how to code you just have to learn a few tricks that's right the interview you have to trick the interviewer so you know how to code i've been an imposter for a very long very long time right you can't code but you can leak code you know that's all you need
Yes. I mean, genuinely, though, we are seeing an uptick of people using ChatGPT in interviews. Oh, really? Yeah. What do you do? Like, what's just what's your stance on that? Would you allow that or no?
That's a good question, because to a certain extent, it's like, well, I want to know how much you know about this craft, but also I want to know what you can do. And let's be honest, if you're going to be doing, you're going to be using some assistance.
Yeah.
And so why not just use the assistance while you're doing the interview? I guess I would leave it up to the interviewer. What would you do, Matt?
Well, I'm with you. I think they are part of the tool chain that we have. So use it. I mean, are we really interviewing people to find out what they know in their brain now or what they can do, like what they're able to produce? Yeah, I think it depends on what you want.
He just repeated exactly what you said, Jared. He did. He made me feel smart by just saying it back to me. Is that a trick of yours?
Well, I say it in a British accent. That's what makes it sound smart.
He makes it sound even better. It's like he one-ups me by just saying it back with his accent. Not fair, Matt. Not fair.
How about this idea? Okay. Okay. We just add a flag to people's column. You know, like, I'm interviewing Matt. Matt is AI-assisted. Cool. Yeah. That's it. Right.
Just be honest about it.
Yeah. I'm actually quite cool with being AI-assisted. I'm not cool with just AI. If you're interviewing an AI, come on.
Yeah.
Come on, Meta. You don't want to be replaced. You want to be assisted.
Yeah. I mean, I'm a humanist, man. Okay. See, I feel like you're joining my team over here because I've been saying this for a while. Yeah, assisted is the way to be. I'm happy to have you. I think AI powered. I'm happy to have you. I think human plus AI equals better, but AI plus AI equals disaster.
For now.
I've got to say for now. I've got to say for now. Some people are avoiding using AI ethically because they're not happy with the copyright that was all stolen. So they're sort of opting out of it from an ethical point of view. And they really are kind of giving themselves a disadvantage. So all credit to them for it, really, for that.
But yeah, if your mission is to just get stuff done, yeah, AI assisted. I'm in.
It's not very popular to say that, you know. Well, let me... If AI or the LLM, this chat, is the evolution of what we had, which compares well to Google, have you had an issue with people Googling things? No, you have not. It's actually expected.
Yeah, now. Right? But in the beginning, people did, they said, you have to do this, you're not allowed to use Google, you've got to do this. And then some places, I think some places still do that. It's like the whiteboard interview.
This is interview process only though, right? You're thinking interview process only? Okay, so if we go past the interview, I'm totally cool with, I want to know what your potential is and what resources you can leverage. So I think of like two things, resourcefulness and resilience, right? Those are the double R's right there. That's the quintessential pair, let's just say. Oh.
It's double R's. It's the quintessential pair.
Why did you stop? That was getting so good. It's just a jingle in case you need it. In case that comes up again.
In case there's another quintessential pair that also starts with R. That was a pretty good abstraction, actually. You didn't say the words, so we can reuse it. Adam, think of another couple of R's later. Okay, I'll keep going. So I think it was Socrates. I could be wrong on the details of the individual.
But there is a very prominent philosopher slash academic, I think it's Socrates, who was against writing things down. publicly. He came out and said we shouldn't write. This was like the advent of writing, perhaps. The two R's. Writing and writing. And he just thought that we would lose our brains, like we would stop being able to remember things.
And I recall when programmable phones were picking up and you no longer had to memorize people's phone numbers. And there were some folks who were kind of offended by that.
because there was a social dynamic to like whose numbers do you have memorized it kind of shows who's important to you in your life and there's certain people like i'm just going to remember your phone number and you know 10 years later they're all off that they're all done yeah it's over with purged why would you want to remember phone numbers if you don't have to so yeah i feel like some of it's the the more typical just don't move my cheese kind of stuff
Yeah, I get it. I get why people, it was like it with calculators. I remember my cousin wasn't allowed to use a calculator in one of his exams, but I was younger and we were allowed to use calculators and he was outraged. I mean, it was an English exam, so it didn't help, but still.
Sometimes your jokes don't go down so well. Don't worry. Don't worry. It's all right. Just a little one for me there.
I like how you console yourself. I was just over here thinking how I just missed a huge opportunity when I said the two R's, writing and writing. Because there actually were three R's. If you recall in early education, it was reading, writing, and arithmetic. And that's not even a joke. That's what they called it. I mean, it is a joke, but it's hilarious. Yeah. And I missed that opportunity.
So I'm just recovering that and getting it in there for the record. Get it in there.
I'm going to close the loop too for you. Yeah. So Socrates, you were correct. Yes. It says the philosopher most famously known for being against writing things down is Socrates.
Yes. Huh.
I got it. Through his student Plato's writings, Socrates expressed concerns that writing weakens memory and can lead to a false appearance of knowledge rather than true understanding.
Yeah.
And it goes on to say that he believed that writing was not an effective means of communicating knowledge. He was saying that from a place of privilege, though.
He had Plato to write all this stuff down for him.
Come on. Yeah, right. Some of us plebs have to write our own things down. It was about being face-to-face, it seems. As to him, face-to-face communication was the only way one person could transmit knowledge to another. It seems a little one-sided. Now, see, here's the thing, though, is that world was so much different. Oh, yeah.
The amount of things you could know about was so finite compared to now. When did he live? I don't even know. Forever ago.
470 BC. Gosh, so. I just feel like I asked that question so I could tell you. I didn't. I actually was typing it in. If you predate Jesus, it's a long time ago, right?
I mean, come on. That's right.
yeah but i get this you know um when i when i'm communicating with somebody who is i don't know let's say there might be an idiot okay um present company excluded no yeah not you no no definitely not nobody nobody on the changelog uh on the changelog platform as far as i'm concerned fair yeah and i've you know i want to just go on the record saying that
No, but it's kind of a nice clue when you're texting with somebody or talking to them, like you get clues about what's going on and you sort of lose a bit of that if things are augmented. But we want everyone to be the best version, surely, and we want everyone to have the best chance. So I've got to come down on the side of that. But yeah.
Yeah, and there's Apple intelligence adverts that show there's one guy and he just normally would say, yeah, light it up. Yeah, I'm walking here. That kind of character. Oh my gosh. And then Apple intelligence changes it to be like, oh, I believe I was traversing the walkway before your vehicle approached.
It changes it into something that sounds... I have to interrupt this amazing story due to not paying for software. Loopback has introduced some noise because we needed to use loopback to combine your piano and your microphone into a single one. Yeah, there's a loopback going on. And because you haven't paid for it, which I'm cool with, they are not. That's the problem.
Oh, it's on purpose. It's on purpose. That's cheeky. So I'm remembering this now. Adam, good job of identifying this. This is a good, it's not shareware. What is it called? It's like trialware moved by them. Destructiveware. Yeah, it's kind of annoying.
You can use it, but it will destroy your work.
Maybe right here we can insert one of those, a few minutes later, and then we come back.
A few minutes later. There you go. We are now back from the noisiness of Loopback and Destructiveware. So you were saying, Matt, what were you saying?
Well, first of all, I don't know if Loopback need to be doing that. You know, I get it, a free trial, and then you want to pay for it, but it's a bit cheeky, isn't it? What did it sound like to you?
The worst. White noise, just like really loud white noise. It progressively got louder and louder to the point we couldn't hear you at all. I think they should give you like a seven day or a 30 day. I mean, that was like a 45 minute trial, maybe, maybe less. Yeah, probably less. But we are fans of Rogue Amoeba software, but not necessarily that particular move they did right there.
Yeah, that was not cool. And whatever story you were telling, Matt, I'm sure it was hilarious. I don't remember now, do you? I don't either. Yeah. Should we just move on? Yeah. I think we should, yeah. Let's move on to the good stuff. Here we go. Let's tell each other some lies. Oh, gosh. I've got a lot for you. You want to do these? Now, let's explain what we're doing here, Matt.
Matt, this was your idea. It's similar to a game I play on JS Party called Head Lies. Where I do a similar thing, except for it's just one person. So I'm very excited because I've never actually gotten to participate. I've always been just the host. And today, I'm a participant. So take us away, Matt. This was your idea. What are we going to do?
So we've got two truths and one lie. And these are tech headlines. Right. So we have to say the three, and then you've got to be able to figure out which is the lie and which one's...
Or the trues. So each of us has brought three and we'll each go in turn telling all three and then the other two people have to try to detect the lie. You want to go first? You're the guest.
Be our guest. AI has created new proteins that didn't exist before. That's number one.
That's number one.
Yeah. Number two, there's a train in China has broken the sound barrier. A train in China has broken.
These are headlines. These are the same like summaries. Well, that's what headline is. I know, right? Well, sometimes.
Okay, keep going.
My version of this is not the same.
What's your preferred news outlet? I'll try and adapt it to that. The BBC, obviously.
Yeah, okay.
Okay, keep going. And then number three, AI has actually created a new color. Again, that was a summary.
Okay, so AI has created new proteins. New protein. AI has created a new color.
Brand new color that's never been thought of before.
okay and then the train one i think that one's true it's going faster than the speed of sound that is not that hard there's cars that have done it it's quite fast though i mean a train doing that is significant but you know it's china they got how fast is this sound barrier mock what four ten sounds like a question for a robot not a human
I think it's about 700 miles an hour from memory.
Maybe cars haven't done it.
Planes have done it, not cars. 770 approximately. Yeah, I take that back. I don't think a car has ever done that. 1, 2, 3, 9 kilometers per hour. That's cool. Quite fast.
Maybe those cars out in the desert where they're just like... Yeah. I think they have broken it. I'm just waffling back and forth.
Yeah, the rocket car.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think they have.
Okay. So airplanes definitely break it then. But has a train in China broken it? Probably. I think they would figure that out. Yeah, could be. Okay, so I'm going with AI has created a new color. I think that's impossible. All the colors exist. All you got to do is get the right hex code.
I don't know about this, man. Hex codes aren't the be-all and end-all of color, Jared.
Well, for me, they kind of are. Oh, you're more of an HSL guy? Yeah.
Hey, did you know that yellow that you look at on a screen is a lie? It's not the same as yellow if you're looking at a yellow flower.
That's why I'm picking that one as a lie. Yeah. I just don't trust colors. Adam, what are you thinking?
Man, I'm still just thinking about these trains breaking the sound barrier.
Maybe they haven't. It'd be loud, wouldn't it? Imagine waiting for a train and that one zooms past and bursts your ears. That's the one I think is a lie.
I think that's the lie one. You think the train one's a lie? Yeah, I think the train one's a lie.
So you and I both agree that AI creating new proteins sounds like something that they would be doing with it. Totally plausible, yeah. What about AI creating a new color? Totally plausible. How so? Don't all colors exist and they just need to be... Hex coded? Just need to be discovered.
Yeah, I think it's a discovery thing. I mean, invent and discover. He did say invent. Oh, okay.
Well... Yeah, but I gave a summary, not a headline. Clearly, you didn't give a headline.
The train is a lie. All right, so Adam's going with train. I'm going with color. Matt, is there some sort of like a prelude song that you'd play on the way up to this? Yeah, probably. I would have thought so.
Yes.
Congratulations. That one was true.
I'm afraid the color of a blooming thing. As Jared said, the colors all exist. Yes, yes. So we can't be that one. Adam looks pissed, but he's fine.
He's fine. Love it. Congratulations. I will concede that it's more plausible for the train to have broken the sound barrier than it would be to invent a new color. However, I thought I had some prior knowledge to the Shinkansen, which is the most famous bullet train. Oh. And I knew it's max speed because my son was such a fan of trains when he was, you know, growing up, like three, four, five.
Still is a fan. But we actually like studied trains.
high speed trains for a while they're just like just for fun you know yeah at like a four-year-old level not like a academic level and none of them had broken the sound barrier no none of them did and they were all like the 400 range so 700 and something is is quite faster than 400 obviously and like imagine a train like here's the thing with this speed train that you got to think about is like you have to consider so much further in the distance the dangers of
that are there right if you've got passengers on these trains that's the whole point of them they're passenger trains and you go from here to there really really fast it's like the time to break or the time to stop is so much distance that you have to have like the proper real way to have this distance and stuff as i just thought it was like less likely i thought well you know find a color pick color plus you won't hear it coming you know that's right
No, because it's faster than sound. Yeah, exactly. It beats the sound to you. That's actually, I don't believe so. I think you would still hear it coming. I was just joking. I also think you'll hear it.
But you'll hear it a little bit later than it would arrive. Delayed, yeah. I was going to say delayed. They can't hear themselves. Could you hear yourself going too fast? If you're going faster than sound, could you hear yourself?
Inside the train, the air's not moving that fast, I suppose. So they'd be fine. But yeah, if you were just traveling that fast...
There's weird physics around that, right? Like, you know, if you're in a moving vehicle and you throw a baseball up in the air and you can catch it, but then if you throw it out of it, then it's still travel. I don't know how it works, but like you start to break your brain thinking about that. Wind resistance there, friction elsewhere.
There's inertia, there's wind resistance, there's lots of things going on.
yeah because the ball is traveling at that speed as well relative to you so you can right it's its starting place is already that speed yeah it's already going dead fast even though but you don't notice it like much like us we're like turning around on this globe at like how many miles per hour but we have no idea yeah seven i think it was seven miles per hour we're traveling around the world oh that's not that fast oh one day per hour no one hour per hour oh yeah
Finally, I landed on something closely correlated and true. Okay, I have my two truths and a lie. Okay. And let's see if you all can guess which one is the lie. Number one. Now, these are going to read more like headlines because, you know, I follow directions around here. But that's neither here nor there. Number one. As TikTok ban looms, Meta is sponsoring TikTok posts that encourage U.S.
users to migrate to Instagram. That's number one.
Mm-hmm.
Number two, developer fires entire team for AI now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn. Number three, Miyamoto's son. This is Nintendo's Miyamoto. Miyamoto's son was so bad at Super Mario 64 that he questioned his parenting. There you have it. Two truths and one lie. What are you guys thinking?
That first one sounded long for a headline, but again... Oh, now you're judging mine after those summaries you provided? Oh my gosh.
Well, you know headlines have skewed more conversation in the last five years.
I think I know the answer to this, but Adam, what do you think? Can I hear them again, please?
As TikTok ban looms, Meta is sponsoring TikTok posts that encourage US users to migrate to Instagram. Number two, developer fires entire team for AI now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn. Number three, Miyamoto's son was so bad at Super Mario 64, he questioned his parenting.
Man, they're all terrible. They're all terrible.
Yeah, but which one is not true?
Two of those are true, by the way. Two of those are true. I'm thinking the last one's not true.
Miyamoto's son?
Yeah. I don't know why.
okay i can't give any more credence to ai here in this podcast so far although we'll see yeah i'm gonna go with that one though the ai one because i can't say ai but what i can do is spot when jared's being a cheeky monkey i think he's uh i think it's a joke it's quite okay funny that someone would fire all their team and then do they use ai to search linkedin for people though at least probably
Well, you could read the rest of the article on techgig.com.
Oh, it's real.
Because I got that headline from techgig.com. That is a true headline. You are both... Well, sorry. Oh, no. I foreshadowed. You are both incorrect. It's not Miyamoto's son. It's not LinkedIn. The lie... Is as TikTok ban looms, Meta is sponsoring TikTok posts that encourage US users to migrate to Instagram. I made that up. Wow. I think that could easily be true, right? Right.
Actually, it's kind of a good idea.
Yeah. Or if TikTok would let them.
Maybe they are doing it, but no one wrote the headline.
Yeah.
Anyways, I feel bad for you guys. Like I just hoodwinked you. Yeah.
That's the game though.
Adam looks doubly mad. I'm just angry about most things, you know.
That's the game, Jared. Don't feel bad. Do you feel bad in Monopoly when you like taking money off your kids?
Honestly, Matt, when I tell people I feel bad when I'm beating them in a game, I'm not really feeling bad. I just say that because I just feel like it's the appropriate thing. Oh, that's sweet. So.
That's a lie then. I vote that one.
Finally, he gets one right. Okay, Adam, why don't you do your turn and share with us some truths and lies.
I'm bringing one close to home, really, that goes back to Matt's world in a way. I've got three headlines. Two that are true and then one that's false. That's interesting. Why have you done that? Just so you're aware. Which order should I read them in? Should I read the true ones first or the false one first?
Read the false one first. You have to mix it up.
If you read the false one first, I'm sure to get it. This is the false one, just so you know. U.S. nuclear arsenal relied on 8-inch floppy disks until 2019. Oh. Number two, scientists used slime molds to help design Tokyo's rail system. Number three, Raspberry Pi is due to announce an SBC-style GPU to compete with NVIDIA.
Okay, okay. So can you say the middle one again, slime molds?
Yes, scientists used slime molds to help design Tokyo's rail system.
Don't know what one of them is. I don't either. I'm not sure what slime molds are. Like slime from Ghostbusters? Slime? Slimer. What do you think they got him in to help consult? I got headlines only. I got no context here, okay? These are headlines only. I'm just trying to figure out if it's real or not. If it's Ghostbusters based, I'm going to assume it's a lie.
Sorry we're late on the project, but hiring Slimer was a big mistake. The office is an absolute state and he's contributed nothing.
I won't tell you this, but I'll give you the details later. You're going to love this. I got more context.
Oh, he's going to give us details later. So that one, he's got an actual article. I've ruled it out. That's true. Which one's true? The slime molds.
Okay. Cause you just said you have an article on it. No, I didn't say on that one. I was another one.
That was a whole different one. You just changed the subject and then told us you had information.
I was thinking about something different. I was contextually somewhere else, you know? Okay. What was the first one again? Gosh, which, okay, yes. U.S., United States, U.S. nuclear arsenal. You know where the United States is too, right, Jared? Do you know where it's at? The U.S.? Okay. Matt, do you know where it's at? Yeah, but I thought you were just saying us because you're from there.
Yeah, just us. Us, okay. Us nuclear arsenal relied on the United States.
It is bad that you call your country Us.
Here we go. Oh, it's like AI.
That's kind of appropriate, isn't it?
Us, Nuclear Arsenal, relied on 8-inch floppy disks until 2019. 8-inch floppy disks. Those are the big ones.
Yes. Not even the save icon, is it, that? No, no, no. In fact... That won't work for you. How far does the 8-inch go back? Because I remember floppies, but I never used an 8-inch. It was always a 3.5-inch floppy disk.
I have handled an 8-inch one. I have had one in my hand, and they are floppy. This is where the name floppy disc came from, because I understood from the 3.5-inch ones, they weren't floppy, they were rock hard, because they were plastic. So plastic hard, I suppose. They weren't made of rocks. But the actual bigger ones, the 8-inch ones... I think they were 8-inch. They were actually floppy.
Actually, no, I'm thinking 5.5. I don't think I've seen 8 either. I mean, 8's a big old disc. Yeah. Yeah. It's big. You do some damage with that. I wonder what capacity, I wonder how much you could get in it. Probably less than the 5.5 or the 3.5. Yeah, probably. I hope so. No, I don't know because it was that direction of travel, wasn't it?
That's true, but I think they got better at density or something. Yeah. You know, smaller storage space over time.
I could easily be using it for some reasoning in a nuke, old nuke, you know, antiquated nuclear something.
There we go. Oh, okay. For the viewing audience. Jason, displace this and we'll see. This is a visual audio audience only. I'm sorry.
Just imagine what eight inch, five and a quarter, and three and a half looks like.
I'm screen sharing with our friends here, Jared and Matt, as you know, my friends, our friends. Hello. And on the left, you have the eight inch. In the middle, you have the five and a quarter, I believe, is it? Five and a quarter, yeah. I was saying it five inch. It's got the quarter in there. Yeah. And then the three and a half down at the very far right.
And I think you're correct, Matt, saying that that one is more of a plastic hard. I think you said plastic card.
That's a three and a half plastic card.
He said rock hard.
Rock hard.
Well, compared, I've had the middle one, the five and a thingy, five and a quarter, and they were just very floppy.
Difficult to digest. Us, nuclear arsenal relied on 8-inch floppy disks, the one on the far left. I think that's false. I think you made that up. I mean, 8-inch, but it's a nuclear arsenal. Not a nuclear power plant, but arsenal, like actually firing nukes. They have these antiquated systems though, don't they? And they don't change them. This is a tough one.
What was your third one again? Raspberry Pi soon to announce SBC style GPU to compete with NVIDIA. Now what's an SBC style GPU? Single board computer. Okay. A single what computer? Yeah, you know, the SBC is like super cool because like you have this tiny little thing and it's a single board computer.
And so they're going to compete with NVIDIA like you're going to be doing inference on these things or something.
I mean, I can speculate some if you'd like. I think what I would say is, like, it's probably going to pair up with, like, the Raspberry Pi type thing, because the Raspberry Pi doesn't, it has GPU in it, but it's, like, not super amazing, you know? It does some stuff. You can do a media center on it, but not, you probably can't transcode 4K very well, or at least multiple streams.
So I think those things have become popular, and so my guess, if this is true, of course, is that this SBC-style GPU will pair up with a Pi to give you more GPU in this fanatic way of doing smaller computers, basically. Versus, let's just say, the most recent, the RTX 50 or whatever, like 5090 or whatever they just released. That thing is huge. It's got three fans in it. Like, who wants that?
You want a GPU that's smaller, SBC style.
Mm-hmm.
I'm not trying to overly sell this or anything, but I'm just saying, you know, like, this could be a truth. Oh, yeah, it could be. Yeah, exactly.
It could be a truth. It's not. It could be true. I think it's not. I think that's what I'm going to pick as the lie, the Raspberry Pi lie.
That's what you're choosing as the lie?
Yeah. okay tell me why well i can believe the u.s having some old systems and you need you know still happens to need big big old disc the i don't know the point of raspberry pi is all very low tech lo-fi stuff they do have some bigger bits but sure i don't know yeah maybe they're trying to diversify uh and you think what is the what's the lie for you jared
Well, I wrote off the slime molds because I think you were looking at the article or talking about it, which means I didn't think about it very critically. But I'm still thinking that that's true. Okay. The Raspberry Pi story is exactly the kind of story that you would make up.
so i'm leaning i would make up yeah for a game no yeah i mean for yeah not just for in life like the guy just okay but i'm not sure where you see a report on the u.s nuclear system and their floppies like to me that just seems like like is that a news is that a was that news recently
The well, to go back to our our initiative here, we were told by our new friend here. Hello. Obscure tech headlines. These are clearly obscure tech headlines. And so I scoured the Internet.
You're saying that was a headline from 2019.
Well, it doesn't matter when it came. No, they did this until 2019. It doesn't mean that they the news is new.
Yeah, I just don't understand. Maybe there's like a FOIA request on the nukes.
Right.
The documentation on nukes. I can't confirm where I've gotten this information, okay? I just want to applaud you on your ability to put together three pretty good ones.
Okay, thank you.
Whereas you didn't like mine, and I fooled you utterly. I'm liking yours. Matt, I feel like you're about to break into some sort of song. Please do.
Yeah, not really.
Please stall for me.
Tell me which one's the lie, please.
It's a mini song. Is there more? No, no, no.
There's another verse.
I like this. Are you a fan of Mario Kart? Oh, no, sorry, not Mario Kart. Mario Party. Yeah, yeah.
Hang on. I'll just do the second verse. Ready? Yeah. I said, please. That's it. It's not great. Yeah, that was kind of weak. They're not all hits. That was an album track.
Yeah, interstitials. You didn't say please, though.
I was thinking you'd write something about 8-inch floppies, but we can definitely move on.
I'll save that for later.
Which one is the lie? If I metagame this and my goal is to win, I won the first round by guessing Matt's and Adam missing it. I won the second round by fooling both of you. And so if I merely tie in round three, I've kind of taken it all. So I'm going to go with Matt. I'm going to say the raspberry pie is false. You made that up. It's so plausible though, right? It's really good.
Yeah, it's really good.
I actually want it. I want that to be true.
Why lie about the raspberry pie? Why don't you tell the truth? Amen. I don't know if you know the rules, but you kind of did it good. Adam, you did. Go, Adam.
You did it good.
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Okay, so they put bits of food to represent Tokyo's various population centers on a map, and then they let a slime mold, which is supposed to be smart, right? Like it's genius, basically, which naturally seeks the most effective paths between food sources grow. And so this thing determined the network that could be a very plausible, very efficient path. What?
So they used slime molds to help design Tokyo's rail system. This is true.
Oh, to design it. See, I thought they were building it with slime molds. No one said it. To help design Tokyo's rail system. I know, but I didn't pay close enough attention.
That's amazing. I think at a headline level, you'd think that they used the slime mold to mold the train track kind of thing.
That's what I was thinking.
I understand that. And then obviously us nuclear artists will rely on floppy disks until 2019. This is a recent headline.
Really?
And the details behind this is that the Air Force finally modernized systems that ran on ancient hardware around 2019, but not before plenty of raised eyebrows in the tech circles. Why?
Because they're using 8-inch floppies now. Because they're using 8-inch floppy disks. What are they doing now then? They've gone on to normal. Five and a quarter. No, they must have jumped up to three and a half inch. Yeah.
And then, you know, honestly, I just was like. I like Raspberry Pis. They're cool. NVIDIA and GPUs are all the rage. And I just heard a headline, basically, if you're a CPU maker, you're getting into GPU making. If you're a GPU maker, you're getting into CPU making. NVIDIA has CPUs coming out, and Intel has GPUs coming out. So they're flip-flopping, right?
So what's the other thing out there that's maybe going to do this? Raspberry Pi. And an SBC-style GPU that attaches to these other smaller things would be totally cool.
Yeah, it would be cool. If they do it within a year, should we come back and take Jared's points off him then?
Yeah, I think so. I'll concede those points.
Well, they're going to hear this, right?
They're going to hear this. Right, this is pretty much like market research for them.
We should totally be doing this. Like, let's get rid of these aged floppy disks that we were thinking about. Yeah. And let's do these SBC-style GPUs.
Yeah, that's good. I think we should take a moment to mourn that eight inch floppy. Oh, it's happened. It's happened. Eight inch floppy disc.
It's happened.
Try it again.
It's a family show, Matt.
It's a family show.
Normally I'm the one that has to be told that.
floppy disk manufacturer you know that that company that had the contract forever that they could just keep selling their floppy disks to the government at some astronomical price you know After probably 40 years of that one big contract, they finally had to stop printing money and get a real job.
What's the N plus on the floppy disks do you think they had? N plus? Yeah, like how many in reserve do you think they had to have to ensure the US arsenal, the US nuclear arsenal was safe? Yeah. How many floppy disks?
Well, they probably didn't think they were going to need it until recent events. And then they're like, you know, we actually should make sure this stuff works.
Let's get it. Let's get 100 behind this and plus 100, you know.
yeah we got the one in the drive we're safe and we got 99 others sitting over there waiting just in case i wonder what's on the disc then like a code you think or like a gpc like a like a key like a gpg key or something like that gotta be isn't it not gonna be like source code for the missiles or something let's yeah let's speculate this system what could it actually do
yeah if it ran on this hardware like is it running is the program is like a usb uh version of a of a software that runs on the usb but instead it runs on the floppy well you used to boot off of a floppy so maybe it's actually like the boots into memory right it boots into memory and then runs off the memory all right so this floppy gets put in the program is accessible it boots into memory boom goes the uh us arsenal yeah nuclear arsenal yeah probably that
So the eight inch floppy originally stored 80 kilobytes in 1971. And then it went up to 256, eventually maxing out at 1.2 megabytes. The five and a quarter introduced in 1976, single-sided, single density, 160K. And then they figured out double density, 360K. Eventually they did a double-sided double density, 720K. And then double-sided high density. 1.2 megabytes.
So they finally made their way back up to the eight inch. Maybe this is why the U S nuclear's are just like, we're cool with the eight inch man, three and a half inch introduced in 1980 started at seven 20 K double-sided high density, 1.44. That's the most common. And then extra high density, 2.88 megabytes.
This is making me think of a museum. Is there a place in the world where there's like a technology museum that isn't somebody's random basement or somewhere? Absolutely. There is. There is.
Yeah, we were there. I don't know if we're sure if we were there. in the building together, Adam, but I've been there. It's in the valley. In San Diego, right? I mean, San Jose. Yeah, it's called the Computer History Museum. Is that what it's called? It's really cool. I thought we were there together, Adam. Maybe I was there with somebody. Were we there together? Maybe we were. I think we were.
It must be ancient history then. Well, there is no ancient computer history because computers aren't ancient.
We haven't been to San Francisco together, I would say, in about eight years. It feels like. At least six.
Yeah, if you go to computerhistory.org.
Yes, the computer history.
They have actually a pretty cool Instagram as well that I've checked out where they still post stuff regularly. And they have new stuff coming in. I'm trying to find the actual address of the place to confirm. You're saying it's in San Diego. It's in Mountain View. I think we're there together, Adam. Hmm. Mountain View, California.
I didn't know I'd been to Mountain View. Was that when we were out to see user testing, maybe? Yeah, that might be right. My brain was a little scattered. We were doing something brand new with high stakes. What, weed?
Yeah, totally.
That's what I can't remember. He said high stakes. Oh, wait, that still works.
It's just a steakhouse.
Oh, wait, that's like a dispensary. Yeah, high stakes is where you go afterwards. Yeah. I did have some other Raspberry Pi lies. Okay, let's hear them. Do we need a theme tune for Raspberry Pi Lies? Raspberry Pi Lies writes itself.
It does, doesn't it, really? Let's see if it does. What key should it be in? You pick a key, any key. A P. It should be in P. Oh, that's not one. That's not one of them.
How about A minor?
Yeah. That's A minor. What do you think, Adam? Higher or lower? Higher.
Higher always, as you know. He likes high stakes.
I want my Raspberry Pi lives, baby. Feed them to me. I want to think that they're making GPUs all gonna sell themselves to China. Tell me where we're gonna be in a thousand years' time. But tell me through Raspberry Pi lies.
Well, they weren't really full-on lies. They were more like directions that I didn't flesh out. So I was thinking... They're more like directions that I was fleshing out.
So I was thinking...
I was thinking drones, like a Pico drone. Like make your own drone from a Pi. Like a Pico drone. Yeah. I want that. And then I was thinking like something solar because I was like, well, you know, these things are so small. You want them to be in obscure places. Yeah. Like what if I wanted a switch, like a WRT switch that's running open source stuff that's not like power accessible?
I have a battery maybe or like a power pack. What if it was solar powered, you know? So I was thinking like something solar, that direction. Yeah. That's about it.
I'd have gone for the US military disks if you'd said either of those two.
That's true.
Then I was thinking, well, GPU, that's in the headlines now. It's CES recent, so there you go.
The challenge with solar is you need so much surface area.
Well, if it's small though, like let's say if it's sub five watts, which is what it would probably be, like probably sub two watts. It's just a Switch and maybe Wi-Fi. How much service area do you need for that? Probably not much. I mean, the size of a Pi probably? Pie solar. Could you imagine this pie solar? Raspberry Pi, if you're not listening to this podcast for ideas. Should be.
Yeah, you should be. Yeah, I mean, here we go.
I like the drone idea. I kind of want a phone case that's got that on it. So I can, if I do find, I've lost my phone around the flat, I can press a button on my watch. Yeah, and it just flies to me. Yeah, that'd be cool.
I mean, it might slice some people on the way. Well, there's some really small drones out there. So back, I want to say about six... About six or so years ago, maybe seven years ago, I got into like the early days of drones, right? They were expensive. They still kind of are expensive now. But there was these really small ones you could buy on Amazon. And they're like tiny, like little toy things.
So I think that'd be kind of cool to build a drone from a pie. But you probably can do that already. You know? All you need is a case and a compute. And then I suppose servos and stuff like that to do the motors.
Yeah, you just need a good old fast fan.
Yeah. Yeah. One fan, go up, I see ya. What's next? Is this show just based on truths and lies? Is there more? Well, we finished, haven't we? Yeah, I won. Is this a show? Jared, you won that, didn't you?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
All right, you can have some of Matt's points.
Yeah. I mean, I don't need them. He's not going to use them. I can't spend them in this country. The exchange rate is terrible for points on game shows. That's why you don't get many Brits appearing on American shows.
Yeah. We should have prizes and then just give them to me at the end.
Yeah, if you win. What can we give as a prize? Well, I tell you what, Jared, you can master this episode. How about that? Oh. There you go. That's nice. That'd be fun. I can do that.
It'd be fun. Maybe I'll put him some applause and congratulations sounds. Maybe like that confetti, like the poosh. You know that one?
Yeah.
We should reach out to Loopback, though, and Rogue Amoeba to see if they want to sponsor the show. They should. We should have an episode that's just white noise until the check clears.
That's right.
Yeah. This show brought to you by Rogue Amoeba.
Brought to you by, you know.
It's a shame it's that sound. It could have been a lovely little ditty or, you know, a Snoop Dogg track.
I'll tell you what.
Licensing fees, you know.
I do think it'd be kind of cool to augment whatever's being done. And, like, if you were speaking, now you're not Matt. Now you're Snoop Dogg, like you said.
Or they could do the Charlie Brown parent thing. Like, you just are wah, wah, wah, wah. That would actually be pretty cool.
That'd actually be kind of funny.
Yeah.
Good marketing because you could probably use it. You know, like an unintended consequence.
Like, next thing you know, like... Right, or bad marketing because people won't upgrade. They're just like, I want the Charlie Brown sound. That's right.
So good. Where'd you get that? Well, this free trial of Rogamiba software called Loopback. Just go get it. It's free. That'd be cool. That's good marketing. More ideas for these people. Holy moly.
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One other thing we could talk about was just to throw some flowers at Matt, in addition to your amazing piano skills. I hear you recently won an award yourself, didn't you? I did, yeah. Can you tell us about this? Is this true or is it a lie?
No, this is true. I couldn't believe it.
I was going to have you tell the story and have Adam guess, but you've already ruined it. This is true.
Well, I've said it's true. I mean, if I was lying, that is what I would say, to be fair. That is true. I don't know if I have ruined it. I have. It is true.
Yeah, it's completely ruined. Go ahead, tell us the story.
This is like... No, this was the Open UK, which is an organization that works and celebrates open source software. And I think because of a little package I wrote with a friend of mine called Testify, you may have heard of it. Have you heard of it, Adam? I do declare.
It's a version of testifying. That is declaring, testifying. There's voided the answer. Cool. Well, you know, I've heard of it, Matt. Have you? Well, from you on GoTime.
yeah i don't stop banging on about it to be honest yeah you just won't shut up about it yeah actually well i found out from jonathan amsterdam from the the go team at google it's the most imported package go package in the world by about three times or something wow so it's like an assertion package that helps you you know assert equal write some tests yeah it helps with your testing doesn't go have that stuff built in
Well, it deliberately doesn't. And what you're told to do really by the Go team is to write native Go code. And that's your test. And there's nothing new for someone to learn. You don't want to do that. Well, I just wasn't used to it. And I was used to these assertion library. And it turns out, I mean, it's the third most imported Go.
Oh, it's the most imported Go package by three times or whatever. Turns out, I think people want that. But there's a weird little rub around when you pass variables into methods. In certain cases, it can change. And so you don't really want that happening if you're in your test suite stuff.
Is that called shadowing or something like this? I don't know, honestly. Okay. It's like a Go Piccadilly or is this like a programming thing? It's a Go specific Piccadilly. Yeah.
Yeah. Did I use that word right?
I have no idea.
i doubt it uh probably not i've been using words wrong all day yeah maybe you meant pick a lily which is perhaps yellow sauce it's not that easy but it's real yellow and not computer fake computer yellow unless you're seeing it on the computer yeah i can't you can't be trusted any longer you've been telling these you can't trust yellow no no i'm just googling piccadilly see if it's a real thing it's a place in in london there's an area
Oh, that's right. It's like a square. Yeah. Isn't it a square? No, it's a circus. What's a circus? A circus is where the elephants are. Yeah. So there's a circus in London called Piccadilly. Piccadilly. And this is where like elephants stand on their two heels and then lions jump through. Yeah. It's a very popular tourist attraction.
Is it a circle? No. I think it's not really like much of a circle, but it probably was originally. Okay. Is that what a circus is? A circle? I've only put that together talking to you now.
I mean, I'll just say the US audience here, we don't know what a circus is unless it's, you know, Barnum and Bailey's.
That's the best circus in the world.
That's right. So you're not doing a very good job of explaining why Piccadilly is a circus.
No, I can't help it.
You also call it a place.
A place.
So we're very confused. Adam, are you confused? I'm also confused about something else.
So I'm at this, tell me if you know this URL. Okay. GitHub.com. I do. Yep.
Yep. I've heard of it.
Slash. Oh, hold on. Strichter.
Say what?
Nearly. Does that ring a bell to you, Matt? Stretcher. Stretcher.
Oh, is this Testify?
Yeah. That's the company that we, that's the startup that we had when we made Testify. So we put it in the company name. Not my own personal name. Now I'd be world famous had I...
You already are. You won an open source award.
Oh, yeah. I forgot. I didn't finish telling you that. I got a medal. They sent me a medal.
What color was it? Golden. Oh, golden. That's first place.
Yeah, I think everyone gets that, though. It wasn't like a race. But there you go. So, yeah, it was the Open UK honors, New Year's honors list. And genuinely, it is quite nice to get that. Normally, I don't win things like that, but quite honored to get it, really.
What do you think is at stretcher.com, spelled this funny way, S-T-R-E-T-C-H-R.com? What do you think is there?
Well, I know that we let the domain expire and someone else got it.
Yeah, that's why I was confused. I was like, what do these folks have to do with Testify for Go? Because it's a stretching company. Like you go there and you get stretched. What's that? So I was thinking like, Matt, what is going on? with your software. What did you write this for to be stretched?
Well, originally this was like a MongoDB style API. So for web and app developers, you'd be able to just start posting data to RESTful endpoints. They didn't have to exist. And it would create the RESTful, you know, the data. It would just persist it. And then when you get it and get the list, it would all just work.
So that was the idea for app for make development quicker and gives you like a backend. It's kind of like a schemaless data store thing.
Oh, you're describing what your idea was, not this stretching idea they've got.
Yeah. From what you've said, it sounds like they're going to stretch you. Yeah, they're doing something different altogether. But I need to make sure that that domain name is not on the project.
It is. That's how I found it. It's on the GitHub organization. I'm going to go and change that right now. I would definitely change that because that's confusing. I don't think anybody cares. I guess actually three times as many other folks who download or install any packages or whatever you call them in their Go programs and software care.
But they're not on your org looking at what URL goes back to the source for Stretcher.
No, but it is a concern. And I checked the emails to make sure that there were no emails that were
you know, I would do this though. I would first email these folks at the new stretcher and I will let them know that you've been promoting their stuff for a few years now and that there's royalties to be paid.
okay yeah yeah i'll let them know that first prior to do and take a screenshot and share that with them and then say i've since stopped but you owe me back pay maybe i could take that payment in stretches so they could just come and just yeah that's right i'm willing to i'm willing to barter i could i could use a stretch yeah a body stretch can i close the loop on piccadillos please do have you guys ever seen the movie goodwill hunting
Yeah, at least once so Robin Williams character Sean Tells will this story about how his wife farts in her sleep. Oh, yeah, she farts and will cracks up about it It's he sometimes she farts so loud. She woke herself up.
All right. Yeah.
Yeah, I've done that and They're laughing about it and Sean says that's the stuff that I remember cuz she's died. She's dead, right? and that's not a spoiler because that's like start of the plot and So trailer, spoiler. Can you have a trailer spoiler? It's probably in the trailer. Trailer spoiler. Okay. And he says, you know, that's the stuff I remember.
You know, the fact that she farted in her sleep, which is funny.
And he says, Little things like that. Yeah, but those are the things I miss the most. The little idiosyncrasies that only I knew about. That's what made her my wife. Oh, and she had the goods on me, too. She knew all my little peccadillos.
Then he goes on from there. He's referring to idiosyncrasies, and he uses the word peccadillos, and I just assumed that that was a word, but I can't find that word anywhere else except for when Robin Williams said it, as you two were talking about stretching or something. I'm not sure what you guys were talking about.
How would you spell that in your version of it, Jared?
Well, I spelled it like piccadillo square, or sorry, circus, or circle, and that was wrong. But according to this website here called Wiki quote is spelled P-E-C-C-A-D-I-L-L-O-S. You sort of know what it means, even though it's not a word. You totally know what it means. Actually, it is a word. I was probably just spelling it wrong.
Oh, right.
A small sin or a fault, a slight trespass or offense, a petty crime, a trifling fault. So that's what I was talking about with go, you know? It was like this little sin of go. Right. Shadowing variables and stuff. Come on. And not having built-in test assertions.
Yeah, the Go team actually testifies banned at Google. Oh, is it?
And you don't use it anymore. I know that.
Yeah, I do use it because there's lots of projects that use it.
But not in new stuff.
Yeah, I don't. Because I just have a smaller version, which is on my own GitHub, just called is. And it's just like three or four methods. You know, testify has so much power in it. It's one of those things where if you're a pro user and you're doing a lot of testing, testify is for you.
And it's super popular. So probably a bunch of people came by and added their own little peccadilloes.
Yeah, and they fixed it, so now there's armadillos in it. All kinds of dillos. Yeah. So many dillos. We did have the policy. We had a policy of anybody that contributed a PR was added to the project. So this was like an experiment, really, which I probably regret, only because it meant that it just blew up, it ballooned. The API is enormous.
Now, did they get awards too, or what happened there? Did you even mention them? Who? Who? Mention who.
Exactly. I don't know who I've slandered there because I genuinely didn't hear it.
Did you, Matt, when you took this open source award, this medal, this gold medal.
Yeah.
Did you mention all the little people that helped you along the way, like all these contributors?
The Piccadillos. Yeah, of course I did. I mean, I didn't give a speech anywhere, but I said it to myself out loud in the mirror. Oh, there wasn't a speech?
This wasn't like an award show or something?
No, it's just... Oh, man.
I was hoping to, like, you know, put the footage up and stuff. That'd be nice. Well, we could make that. Let's do it right now.
You should do an acceptance speech that you could send to them. Oh, that's a lot of pressure.
This is good. You could sing it. I would have improvised it anyway. Matt... Here is your award for being great in open source.
Go.
Wow.
Who do you want to thank? I just want to thank all the little people first. They're tiny. Or they're really far away. Either way. But they helped. You don't have to have contributed a lot.
to open source like i have with testify the most important project in the world i think jared was there were your words maybe you know but thank you very much for this uh lovely medal and um you know i'd like to thank thank all my family as well i'm holding it because it came on a ribbon so i'm just holding it up um yeah and you know keep open sourcing everyone
Bye.
That sort of thing.
That sort of thing.
Not bad.
Yeah.
Now, if you had to do that in song, for instance, what would that sound like? I'd only have one hand because I'm holding the metal. We'll just go strong hand only.
Okay. Hold my strong hand. Hold my strong hand.
I want to thank all the listeners. I don't know why you're so tiny But you helped me make this project By tapping things in on your tiny keyboard Oh baby, one day you'll be big Thank you for my award Thank you for my award Thank you for my lovely medal
Speaking of medals, Jared, were you referencing like I was Scary Movie 2? At which point? When you said take my strong hand.
No, I was laughing at you because I know you said that previously during a Pound to Find game after Taylor Trosh gave you that little hand at Strange Loop. That's right. And you held the little hand up and you said, like, take my strong hand. That's what I was. I was laughing because I knew that was a callback and I knew Matt didn't know that was a callback. So I was also laughing for that reason.
Still got it.
I still got my hand. He still has his. It's there.
There it is.
Take my strong hand.
So this is a scary movie to quote? It's actually a Mandela effect. Oh, it's not actually in there.
Yeah. People largely, I'm talking like a massive population, strongly, emphatically believe That he said, take my strong hand. Who? In the movie. I'd have to show you the clip. I don't know the person's name. But he actually said what? Take my little hand. Why the hell think he said strong then? Exactly. Mandela effect, bro. But why? I don't know why Mandela effect happens. It just does. Huh.
Yeah, a lot of people believe. I mean, there's a lot of people who like... I believe it. I remember that. You just told us he said that like five minutes ago. I know, but he didn't. The truth is that he said, take my little hand. Huh? You take my little hand.
I didn't know a lot of people watched that movie and had commentary on it.
It's a lot of people. Yeah, it's a very popular, unpopular film. I mean, it's a scary movie, too.
Yeah, exactly. Come on. It's a sequel. That's exactly my point. You're making my point for me.
Come on now.
I can imagine you saying, you know, when Darth Vader says, Luke, I am your father, he never says that. Well, that's a shame, honestly. And that's a shame. That's what everybody thinks he says.
Why? So why does everybody else believe that?
It's Mandela effect.
Mandela effect because it's kind of like what he should have said if George Lucas was a slightly better writer I love that compression though right like you don't have to explain anything besides Mandela effect that's just it that's right that's the the beauty of memes and compression
But Mandela did exist, right? He's not part of the Mandela effect, is he? Well, he's the inventor of it, unbeknownst to him.
Are we talking about Nelson Mandela? Who are we talking about? Nelson Mandela.
Yeah. So to my knowledge, this is what I know about it. The Mandela effect came about because there was a large, again, a large population of people who emphatically believed that he had passed away years before he did not pass away. So he passed away much later, truthfully, but people believed he had died many, many years before that.
And there's a lot of people and they're like, I remember seeing the headline, I remember seeing the news reports, et cetera, et cetera. Meanwhile, he did not. And so this birthed this, I suppose the name to the phenomenon that seems to have happened throughout history where you, a large population misremembers or has memory of an alternate dimension.
oh right now if you go back to the oh right like that was just a totally normal thing to say what's the thing i'm trying to remember what uh the somebody else would be a scientist here would know what i'm talking about it's the there's a place over in your area matt in in the european region i suppose where they have like this yeah cern this collider yeah yeah tell me what's the call again
The CERN Particle Accelerator. CERN Particle Accelerator. There you go. I like the way he says it. So they believe that when this began to happen, it started to create fractures in timelines and alternate realities. Now, I don't know how plausible this is, but it's crazy as all get out there, right? Like you're smashing particles together and you're rippling time and space and whatever.
And Mandela Effect, there you go. They should have called it the Jimmy Carter Effect, you know, because I thought he was dead a long time ago. Me too. Yeah.
Turns out he made it to 100.
That's why tomorrow I'm not celebrating. I'm saying, you know, like everybody's going to mourn. I'm like, listen, the guy had a good life. He died twice.
Yeah. I witnessed one of these. There was a guy. He still is a guy called Frances Campoy, who was big in the Go community. I think he works at Apple now. Yeah. He's great. I love him, actually. I should text him probably. Yeah. Anyway.
Text him right now. Yeah. And then while you do that, sing.
and accepted a medal so we never finish your story we were in after some go conference he was talking about seeing freddie mercury in barcelona and my friend david inandes who i did machine box project with he was like yes i was there i saw that too and it turns out there was and then there was a guy there who was a big nerd on queen and freddie mercury and he said
No, it can't have been because he died the year before. Whoa.
And they were like, no, no, no.
No, it was. And so, yeah, they had it, the Mandela effect.
That's one of those moments where you think that perhaps you're in great harm, you know? Like you're in harm's way.
Do you?
Well, it's like a twist at the end where you're like, wait a second, the call's coming from inside the house? Oh, yeah. Like, it couldn't possibly be. He's been dead for years. And you're like, because, you know, you just had lunch with him, for instance.
Right. And you have the refrigerator door open, and as soon as you close it, ah, jump scare.
Right, and his hook is hanging on the rearview mirror of your truck.
I knew what you did last summer. I knew it. I know what I knew. You saw Freddy.
Exactly. Oh, my gosh. Oh, the two Fs. Oh, yeah. Both Freddies. Reminds me of a song. The one about two R's. How'd that go?
Oh, no. There's no memory. There's no memory.
Double R. I don't remember it either.
It's actually triple. Reading, writing, arithmetic. It's good, isn't it? Why is he not singing? We keep prompting him to sing, but he won't do it.
Oh, my gosh.
You know that kid on that movie where Bruce Willis is dead the whole time? Trailer spoiler and also in the whole film. He's dead the whole time. You don't have to watch the movie at all if you know that story.
By now, I think that ship has sailed. I'm going to go back and re-watch that movie, actually. That's a great movie. By the way, if my kids are listening to this, stop right now. Actually, a few seconds before this because we're going to watch that together and I don't want them to be spoiled.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they love the Matt Reier episodes.
Tell them now to stop listening a minute ago.
I just did, but dang it. It's great. I have to go back in time.
We can edit that.
Yeah, you could edit myself in, in the future. Actually, it's in the past. Depends on how you think about it. Okay. But yeah, good movie. I do remember that.
Jared, I think you should talk to your kids and not rely on communicating with them through podcast. I'll consider it. I'll take it under consideration. Yeah. No, but the little kids like, I see dead people. And it's like, yeah, everyone can. They don't go invisible when you die. That's not a film. This is not a film, kid. And if I was the Bruce Willis in that, I'd be saying that to him.
I'd be like, what are you talking about, mate? Of course you can see dead people. What are you talking about?
Wait, did you see then, who was it? There was a comedian that told this story about this film. Did Matt just take his joke and act as if it was his own? No, no, no. But it reminds me of it because they said it was Nate Bregazzi. And we love him because he's a very tasteful comedian. He doesn't have to cuss or tell anything egregious at all.
He said it was more plausible to the listening and watching audience that his wife didn't want to talk to him than him being dead. Yeah. That was a version of his punchline. It was more plausible that this woman was ignoring him for a year, the whole film basically, ignoring him completely, than for him to be dead.
Yeah. What a shame. No, that's a good point.
What a shame. So here's what I would like to have in life. I'd like to have a Matt GBT, which is, of course, a musical intelligence that could answer my beck and call. If I had to say, hey, Matt GBT, could you summarize this podcast? Because GPTs can summarize, man.
Oh, yeah, they're good at that.
And sometimes they can summarize in musical fashion if they happen to be a musical Matt GBT.
I see. Could I have one of those? Yeah, I think so. Okay. What key would you like it in? By the way, this is a flex because you say the key and then I really play it in that key and then the listening audience.
Musical people understand this, but for me, it's just more like stress because I don't know any more keys. I already gave you A minor and I don't know the other ones. Yeah. And Adam said P. That was a joke. B. Is that a good one? Is that the same as A minor?
No, it's not the same.
C major? Matt, what's the best key for a summary?
That's a good question. Probably E-flat, if we're just being honest. Which we haven't been.
Well, thank you for joining us. I hope you had a good time, baby, because I know that I did. I had a lovely time. Now it's time to go and get some R&R Take it down, have a relax and play some Super Mario If you got an ancient floppy disk on you, yeah Then you'll be fine when nuclear war breaks out And if you wanna know how
To make it out alive I suggest you get the slime mold to show you how This, this is a family show Yeah, but how many kids listen, I don't know Probably not that many Not yet anyway, not yet anyway Now we've had a good time, yeah We're going for some high stakes after this
I like high stakes This is my strong hand, take it please Take my strong hand And I'll take you to CERN And we'll discern if they've broken the universe And next time we'll see you on the changelogging friends This is the end And now for some loopback white noise
Oh, Matt.
Great job, Matt. I actually think now that you've done that white noise, I think they stole that from you. Yeah, I think they ganked your white noise, bro. You should get some licenses from them. Yeah. Bye, friends.
Bye.
Thank you.
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Don't go anywhere. Hang on. I don't subscribe to this. Do I have to stop listening?
You made that joke last time. No, I didn't. I just text it to you. Oh, I said, I'm going to make this joke. Don't call me out.
Don't call me out on it. Oh, shoot.