Sophie insists to police and others that the real problem isn’t that she’s abusing her daughter but that Seattle Children’s–a world class pediatric hospital–simply doesn’t understand her daughter’s rare condition: Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood. But according to police interviews, very few people in C’s orbit ever witnessed an episode, and if they did, they described symptoms that, alone, are not indicative of AHC. We also hear snippets of interviews stating that Sophie often presented AHC as a terminal illness, a claim that Dr. Zupanc refutes. Dr. Jill Glick, a child abuse pediatrician from the University of Chicago, returns to talk us through the process hospitals go through when evaluating medical child abuse cases. We also go through a few of the many inconsistencies in Sophie’s reports to C’s various doctors. Sophie claims that C could die at any moment from AHC: but does she even have it? *** Links and Resources: Watch Human Timebombs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbjprd9v9Y More about Dr. Mary Zupanc: https://www.childneurologysociety.org/awards/mary-l-zupanc-md/ More about Dr. Jill Glick: https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/find-a-physician/physician/jill-c-glick Learn more about our featured non-profit and mutual aid organizations: https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/nsbm-supports/ Check out You Probably Think This Story's About You: https://brittaniard.com/podcast Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the podcast episode 'Human Timebomb' about?
True Story Media. Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show, we discuss child abuse, and this content may be difficult for some listeners. If you or anyone you know is a victim or survivor of medical child abuse, please go to munchausensupport.com to connect with professionals who can help. Throughout the first year of my nephew's life, things fell increasingly off with my sister.
It was just a million small things about her baby's development and especially his eating issues. After being diagnosed failure to thrive, he'd had a nasal gastric tube inserted to help with his feeding. And this tube is in most of the pictures I have of him. And then Megan started talking about him needing a G-tube, which would require a surgery.
It was around this time that my mother went to the gastroenterologist with Megan and heard him say that he didn't think my nephew needed it yet. And this was all happening against the backdrop of a long history of her deceptions. My sister's own questionable surgeries, her faked twin pregnancy, and the dramatic loss of those babies that never were.
I remember going with her to an ultrasound when she was pregnant with my nephew and seeing the image of the baby with my own eyes and still feeling unsure if he was real. This makes me realize how much I already knew about the true her. How hard I was working to hide it from myself. But pushing him towards a surgery he didn't need crossed a line.
My parents met with their family doctor and she gave them the words for the pattern we'd been seeing. Munchausen by proxy. I remember them sitting down to tell me that evening, and I thought, our family is over. She'll never forgive us because we knew we had to intervene. There never seemed, at least the three of us, to be another option. I only wish that every family saw it this way.
People believe their eyes. That's something that is so central to this topic because we do believe the people that we love when they're telling us something. If we didn't, you could never make it through your day. I'm Andrea Dunlop, and this is Nobody Should Believe Me.
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Chapter 2: How did Andrea Dunlop's family discover Munchausen by proxy?
Was it plausible that Sophie was the only person attuned enough to her daughter to understand what was going on with her? With this disease in particular and sort of the presentation of it, is it plausible that given that there were other people around this child pretty frequently, that no one else would see this child have an episode?
Well, that would raise a lot of red flags to me. Particularly because, let's take an example of a parent... A grandmother or grandfather would occasionally take care of that child or a daycare center or other observer. These episodes are noticeable.
They're not so subtle that nobody else would notice, particularly because I would presume the parent or care provider would say or caregiver would say, you know, Johnny has these episodes and just keep a log. Like oftentimes parents or caregivers will say, we've kept a log of these episodes and we always have our babysitter or daycare provider
or grandma or grandpa write down when the episodes occur. They're not typically subtle, particularly if they're happening frequently. And you'd want to characterize, were they alert and conscious? Could you get them to smile? Did they have difficulty breathing or heart rate? I'd be hard-pressed to wonder if that was really totally and completely true.
that's what you need to do to figure out is this something that the parent is just worried about and exaggerating because they're worried and they're afraid nobody's going to believe them you know that's plausible or is this something that is really a fabrication and and then That's where I've done my deepest dives is I'll call the daycare provider.
I'll call grandma, grandpa, babysitters, extended relatives, because all of those are caregivers for that particular child. Normally, a single parent can't. Well, particularly a single parent. I personally can't imagine having had four daughters. I can't imagine raising them without a partner.
No one disputes that a parent's perspective on their child is important, but Dr. Zupont's talks about getting other people who are around the child in the loop as well. And this piece is equally important in a medical child abuse investigation. Detective O'Rourke and her colleagues from Renton PD did one of the most thorough investigations I have ever seen in a medical child abuse case.
They spoke to dozens of people, neighbors, friends, people from Em's gym, multiple schools that she attended, therapists, church members, people from the writing program, doctors, and family members. Sophie was nearly always with the girls, though reportedly Em would sometimes stay with friends while Sophie took C to doctor's appointments.
And when the girls were a little bit older, she would sometimes leave them at the gym under the supervision of one of the coaches. Now, no one other than the doctors in this case who treated C are qualified to determine whether or not she truly has age C.
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