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Chapter 1: Who is Joel Blaeser and why is he a notable guest?
Wow, wow, Wes. And we're live. Joel Blazer, what the fuck is going on, dude? Thank you. Thank you for coming. Doesn't it feel good? Yes. Feels good, dude. Every now and again, just to jump in hot. get the juices flowing. So Joe, I, I, so we met in Milwaukee. I saw you on soft white underbelly and I was taken by, I was like, dude, this is, this is crazy.
I think, honestly, I think you're one of their best guests that, you know, they've done some, thank you. They've done a lot. They've interviewed a lot of people, but you know, I just kind of struck me, bro. I saw you. I said, damn, this guy is the man. And we talked. And then eventually we met in Milwaukee. I didn't, it was pure accident.
I, cause you, I had this fucked up post on Instagram. My phone's off. It's like, you're talking right to me. You didn't even see me. And I'm like, man, I gotta, and I grabbed my phone during, and I'm like, okay, no, they're going to kick me out. You can't turn the phone on. Cause I wanted to erase it. It was just some fucking negative bullshit.
Like, cause at the show, you can't turn your phone on. Right, right, right, right. So then I go out. And I wouldn't even have turned my phone on had I not had that thought, which is that you inspired me from the thing. And then you're like, dude, I saw you come back to the green room. I couldn't miss you, bro.
I couldn't miss you. I'm obviously stealing your grip right now. I couldn't miss you.
That was fucking rad as fuck, dude.
Really?
So, yeah, we talked a little bit, and then we met. Dude, you're the fucking man. We met in Milwaukee. You gave the signed copies to Nate and AJ of your book.
Yeah, I gave them a little note.
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Chapter 2: What was Joel's experience like in a supermax prison?
Yeah.
So one side had that. And then the one side was surfing hippie ladies. And then a sheet is a thousand hits, which is like maybe a seven by 10. And then 10 of those is like accordion. So that's, that's one gram of LSD, which looks just like a gram of cocaine. Yeah.
And then they would pay someone to batik those sheets with each square of 100 hits would have that Vitruvian man from... What's his name? Da Vinci. Yeah, Da Vinci. And the other side would be the surfing hippie ladies. But that piece of paper was like artwork. You could not... You cannot counterfeit that. So if you, if I saw one of those sheets on the lot, I'm like, all right, rainbow is here.
I'm going to search them out. Like I know I can get, and then they would front me anything, but I would never, they would front me 10 grams, which is a hundred thousand hits. But I would, like, what am I going to do with it? And they would train me, like, if you ever think there's heat around the corner, like, throw that shit away. You just have to stay safe.
Like, one time we did a 10 strip, and, like, they were just with me when they met me.
You took 10 hits, you're saying.
Yeah. And they could tell. However they told, they could tell. But, like, I was in.
damn you know i was what was that like when you like that was your first experience was that your first experience i will say no the first one was uh the year the year anniversary of my dad's death i was right a friend's new friends that i met and um we were in the show they were blue unicorns and there were lights like this on the ceiling and we just kept eating the lsd because we're like i'm like i don't think it's real i don't think it's real it was her second time
And then I don't know, I probably got to eight or nine and then all of a sudden we're like, this is real. But then we just spent the next 15 hours together. We were at the show. It was the most beautiful, lovely experience. Like you could see, you could just, you were just in the moment. It's hard to explain in words. Um, but that was a beautiful trip. But the time I took the 10 was, uh,
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Chapter 3: How did Joel end up sentenced to 151 months?
Less than a dozen times.
Exactly. Because it's so profound. What do you need? These guys were every weekend. That, the nitrous. They were just partying with it. And they... I remember... Wow. I see the one guy... I was in a grocery store, and I'm like, oh, hey, what's up, man? He was working there. I'm like, how you doing? Dude, he cornered me. He's like, I'm fighting a battle against light and darkness.
And I was like, oh, boy. I was like, all right, bro. I was like, you know, I'm going to grab my stuff and get out of here. But it was... Yeah, I remember this guy. But again, it could have been just, like, underlying stuff. Because that is, like...
If you take a person who already has, even if they could have had a job and just been a little weird or whatever, but it's like if you really kind of ramp that shit up and you don't give them any kind of way to work through all that stuff, it's like, yeah, it kind of makes sense. You would lose your fucking mind.
Because you have psych now. What is that?
That was a I'm still trying to figure out how to do it. I have an idea with what I want to do, but I got obsessed. So I've always liked psychology. So I've always liked psychology. And then I went to school for social work to get my master's. Yes. I wanted to start something like a that's just not centered around drugs where you can you can kind of get anything. Yes. Who are like you?
I could talk to people who are, you know, like PhDs or whatever and have them help me come up with some sort of program that could be peer led around like just mental health stuff in general. That way, like you can't afford a therapy. If you can't afford a therapist, you could still have like a group that's like, it's not like therapy per se, but it would be using, um, sharing the tools. Yeah.
Like that. These people like these PhD level people make up and like, how do you kind of disseminate them in a way that like, that could be done in like a peer to peer thing. That's my goal. And I'm still now looking for therapists now. Cause I, I want to just salary a couple of therapists now that I can to just kind of like run groups and like, kind of like curate the whole like online space.
That's awesome. Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What are the effects of drug laws on society according to Joel?
He's like, well, because when I came to that prison, he wanted the bag. He's like, I'm going to get that bag. I know you faked that property slip.
And your friend stitched it for you. It was like your prized possession.
James Irving, yeah. So that was the third prison I was in with it. And then I'm coming out of chow to go to the yard, and he's... Give me that bag, you hippie rat. And I yanked it back just out of reaction. He body slammed me. It's like 6'4", 6'5", 250, 260, huge. Lieutenant, I mean, he's running it. And he's like, you fucking hippie rat. And I'm like, oh, fuck.
But when you come in, they know who's ratted, who didn't rat, who might have to be in PC or not. So he knew that he was pushing my buttons. But anyway.
Yeah, so the thing I thought that was wild was like that incident happened kind of aligned itself with the crack laws where it was like they reduced the sentences on powder cocaine, didn't reduce the sentences on crack cocaine. So then there were these racial riots in the jail.
That was the first one out of 12 to riot. That's really significant.
12 prisons around the country. Dude, the extent of the damage was crazy. Did you see the report?
What was the report? I have the whole riot report. Well, now I got to re-put it back up on my new website. But it's a report from the Justice Department. It shows all the prisons that rioted, what was burned down to the ground. And they said that the instigator was Talladega, Alabama. And they charged me with leading it, which was the lieutenant.
That was a crazy thing.
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