Is it safe to hand control of the deadliest army in the world to a 20-year old? If you are Thracian, Triballian, Illyrian or Theban, the answer is definitely no. Alexander becomes king and fights off threats to his rule in all directions.
Chapter 1: What is part two of Mania for Subjugation about?
What you're about to hear is part two of a multi-part series on Alexander the Great. If you missed part one and need to catch that first, we recommend it. If you didn't hear part one but don't mind, you know, starting a story in the middle, well, please feel free to keep going. And for the rest of you, without further ado, part two of Mania for Subjugation.
December 7th, 1941, a date which will live
It's history.
One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
The events. The figures. I take pride in the words, Ich bin ein Violiner. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall. The drama.
I welcome this kind of examination because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. If we dig deep in our history and our doctrine and remember that we are not descended from fearful men.
It's hardcore history.
One of the things that I find terrifying about life is how fortune can just turn on a dime. And I think it's more of a cynical pessimist's way of looking at that sort of
dynamic than an optimist an optimist would say thank goodness life can turn on the dime you could you know hit the lottery tomorrow change everything wouldn't it so that's that's a certain kind of personality maybe but i'm more of the person who just says okay gosh just protect me from a bolt from the blue that's a great term a bolt from the blue
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Chapter 2: What significant historical events are referenced?
into the White House and it's going to be different but in a lot of ways it's not you take Hitler from the leadership position of Germany right at the start of the Second World War and you can't even imagine what happens and the situation in Macedonia when Philip II is murdered is much more similar to that it has to do with the fact that so much power is wrapped up in one person right and the system itself isn't really set up for what happens without that person
They've created this intricate web that really relies on them being the spider in the middle of it for it to all work. And you take the spider out and then what do you have? So that is a 9-11 moment, right? The minute it happens, everybody watching it knows that everything has changed. They don't know how it's changed.
And I get this sense after Philip's murder that everyone's walking around the way we were walking around for the next week after the 9-11 attacks. We all had like little swirls in our eyes and we just couldn't believe or absorb what had happened. And it was like everyone was experiencing this at the same time. And I get the feeling that it must have been similar.
especially in the area of the assassination you know with the people who saw this and one of them of course being alexander and i keep trying to figure out you know because this is the the side of the story where it's a 9-11 attack for alexander also maybe even again more than for most people because now he's in the spotlight uh in terms of the most likely person to succeed but it's a personal one it's dad dad just got shanked in front of me
Do you get PTSD from that? Just wondering. And the reason I ask is because there's a couple of historians that have put forward the theory that maybe Alexander during his lifetime was suffering from PTSD. But most of the time they draw it back to the many horrific experiences he had in a career of personal combat. This would be at the very beginning, basically.
But I mean, if I told you that some person on the other side of the room, you know, whispered into your ear, hey, you know, that poor guy, his dad was murdered in front of him. Wouldn't you expect that this would be a monumental, you know, milestone moment, negatively speaking, for that person in their life?
Wouldn't you think they'd be visiting and getting some psychiatric care maybe for the rest of their life? Tie any major problems they have to that? Certainly you could say PTSD, right? Watching your...
your parents murdered i mean that's a superhero origin story isn't it that's how you get batman but as psychologically dark as the comic book origin story of batman is right little boy sees his parents murdered in front of him by a criminal as dark as that is think about how much more sinister it gets if the person who killed bruce wayne's parents leading to the creation of the
you know, avenging Dark Knight that sometimes is a little bit psychologically unbalanced. If the person that killed Bruce Wayne's parents was Bruce Wayne, if he killed his own parents and that led to the creation of Batman, that's a even more psychologically dark and twisted tale, isn't it?
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Chapter 3: How did Alexander III become king?
decisive and speedy sort of preemptive strike and in my robin waterfield translation deodorus says quote atalus however was waiting in the wings to seize the throne and alexander decided to do away with him atalus was the brother uncle actually of philip's last wife cleopatra and in fact cleopatra had produced a child for philip just days before the king's death
Atalus had been sent on ahead to Asia as joint commander with Parmenion of the expeditionary force. He had won the affection of the soldiers with his generosity and cordiality and had become very popular in the army. Alexander had good reasons then, Diodorus writes, to be concerned about the possibility that Atalus might link up with his opponents amongst the Greeks and claim the throne.
So he chose one of his friends, a man called Hecataeus, or Hecataeus if you prefer, and sent him to Asia with sufficient soldiers and instructions to bring Attalus back, alive preferably, but if this was impossible, to murder him at the earliest opportunity. So Hecataeus sailed over to Asia, joined Parmenion and Attalus, and waited for a chance to carry out his mission."
Well, at some point, if you believe the Diodorus story here, Attalus maybe realizes that he's been caught and tries his best to squirm out of this, maybe. That's my interpretation of how one tries to figure out his change of heart and his turning over of the incriminating letters from Demosthenes right to Alexander. It's not going to save his neck, but Diodorus writes, quote,
He had in his keeping the letter he'd received from Demosthenes, and he sent it off to Alexander, along with expressions of goodwill, in an attempt to have the charges against him dropped. But Hecataeus murdered Attalus, as ordered by the king, and then the restiveness and rebelliousness of the Macedonian expeditionary force in Asia came to an end.
though this was not just because of Athelos' murder, but also because Parmenion was squarely Alexander's man, end quote. So this is the part of the story here where if I'm making my Alexander film, I want Martin Scorsese directing it. The way, by the way, he was supposed to have done, I heard, before Oliver Stone's movie came out and squelched it.
I mean, this is a mafia, godfather-ish type position to put other family members in. I mean, I have multiple secondary sources, modern historians... who are suggesting that there's no way this Attalus assassination happens without Parmenion approving of it, the other general on the scene with the expeditionary force. But Parmenion is the father-in-law to Attalus, right?
Attalus is married to his daughter. If you decide you're going to let your son-in-law be whacked, that's an interesting dynamic. That might have been the part of the deal that was...
non-negotiable right we're taking atlas what do you want for the deal what do you want to be quiet what do you want to be happy i mean as one of the historians i was reading said you can always get another son-in-law and after atlas is taken out uh some of parmenian's family members do get some plum sort of promotions and positions so if one is trying to make their own movie and this is part of that gray area you don't know enough about you could conjure up all sorts of deals that might be made here to make a
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Alexander face after his father's assassination?
And the Danube is sort of Alexander's goal here. A lot of historians think he was trying to conquer to the Danube, which is about 100 or so miles, it sounds like, from beyond his current, they're not really borders, but let's call it area of influence or domination even. But in Herodotus' time, he didn't know what lays beyond the Danube, and he wonders if there's any people there at all.
He thinks it may be depopulated. He only knows of one tribe there, and he mentions them, and then he talks about their customs, and they sound like a step tribe, a Central Asian, you know, horse archer people, which that area actually had. Anyway, so chalk another one up to Herodotus probably being right about something. He did talk to Thracians and asked them what lay beyond the Danube.
And he says they told him you can't live there because it's absolutely infested with dangerous bees, which Herodotus did not believe, he said. But when you think about the fact that it was infested with horse archer peoples and tons of swarms of these horse archers, maybe the Thracian was speaking in sort of metaphorical terms, right?
Swarms of dangerous human beings on horseback with endless arrows, right?
Herodotus doesn't believe the bee story because he thinks they'd freeze and he thinks frost and cold is probably the reason that past the Danube there are no more human habitations as he says Herodotus does know a bit about the Thracians though and in my Andrea L Purvis translation of Herodotus's histories this is what he says quote
The Thracians are the largest nation in all the world, at least after the Indians. If they could all be united under one ruler and think the same way, they would, in my opinion, be the most invincible and strongest of all nations. But that is impossible. It will never happen, since their weakness is that they're incapable of uniting and agreeing. End quote.
The way I've heard it sometimes phrased is that the Thracians would have conquered the world, but they enjoyed fighting each other too much.
the books that you can find on the Thracians have compiled all sorts of adjectives and things from the ancient sources that describe them and of course they get the typical bigotry and prejudice that all so-called barbarians get from the you know sophisticated sniffy writers in the places like Athens and whatnot but let's be honest if you actually are headhunting they're going to make some noise about how that's not a very civilized behavior although they do it themselves when they want to
The Thracians are supposed to have red hair and green eyes, but that's from a very limited number of sources, so take that with a grain of salt. They are supposed to be high-spirited, drunken, not too smart, headhunters, tattooed, most dangerous. I think it was Thucydides that said most dangerous.
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Chapter 5: How did Alexander's military strategy evolve?
In my Martin Hammond translation of Arian, he describes the moment ambassadors start arriving to Alexander after he defeats the Getae and says, quote, ambassadors now arrive to see Alexander from the independent tribes bordering the Danube, including envoys from Siramus, the king of the Trebalians, and envoys came also from the Celts who lived by the Ionian Gulf.
These Celts were big in body and had a big opinion of themselves. All the envoys professed to have come in a desire for friendship with Alexander, and with all he exchanged reciprocal assurances.
He did ask the Celts what they feared most in the world, hoping that his own great name had reached as far as the Celts, and yet further, and that they would say that they feared him more than anything else. Their answer came as a disappointment.
Living as they did in inaccessible country far away from Alexander, and seeing that his ambition lay elsewhere, they replied that their greatest fear was of the sky falling on them. Their embassy to Alexander was prompted by admiration for him, but with no element of fear or self-interest. Even so, he declared friendship with the Celts, too, simply remarking that the Celts were a pretentious lot."
de selencore translates alexander's words into that they thought too much of themselves pamela mensch has him saying in a more colloquial term big talkers these celts and one wonders whether he actually said that it's wonderful to think about ptolemy maybe being in the room as alexander comments after the celts just walk out big talkers these celts
But as Voldemar Heckel says, the entire affair just shows how arrogant Alexander is. This is his first campaign ever, and he expects these people a long way from him, these Romulans that he's never seen before, to know all about him and be scared of him already? No, not going to happen.
In fact, while they'll be good during Alexander's reign, it'll only be about a half century after this time where they're going to go on a rampage in southern Greece. They'll actually sack the very tomb that Alexander's father is buried in. Some historians think that this entire Celtic diplomatic mission may be more of a sort of dual-purpose affair.
I mean, in the same way ambassadors can play sort of a dual role. They're sort of part diplomat, but they're also part intelligence agents, right? They gather data about... you know, foreign leaders and the situation in the country and the foreign capitals and the mood and the climate and the army and how they fight and all this kind of stuff.
And it would make sense, wouldn't it, that if you were thinking you might someday have to fight this guy, that you'd get a little intelligence on what you're potentially dealing with here. Guy comes up from the South, 20 years old, defeats, you know, three different groups of locals in a short period of time easily. Might want to know about a guy like that.
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Chapter 6: What psychological factors influenced Alexander's decisions?
And Diodorus, from the Loeb classical translation, and I think originally that was translated by C. Bradford Wells, Diodorus says, quote, So the Theban spirit proved unshakable here. But the king, meaning Alexander, took note of a postern gate that had been deserted by its guards and hurried Perticus with a large detachment of troops to seize it and penetrate into the city.
He quickly carried out the order, and the Macedonians slipped through the gate into the city, while the Thebans, having worn down the first assault wave of Macedonians, stoutly faced the second, and still had high hopes of victory. When they knew that a section of the city had been taken, however, they began immediately to withdraw within its walls.
But in this operation, their cavalry galloped along with the infantry into the city, and trampled upon and killed many of their own men. They themselves rode into the city in disorder and, encountering a maze of narrow alleys and trenches, lost their footing and fell and were killed by their own weapons.
At the same time, the Macedonian garrison in the Cadmea burst out of the citadel, engaged the Thebans, and attacking them in their confusion made great slaughter among them."
As Diodorus says there, very quickly the Macedonians, when they broke through the city walls and got into the city, they ran up to where the Macedonian garrison was under siege, you know, unsieged them, for lack of a better word, and had them join the fight too. So it's all over except for the killing.
The last stand, if you will, is made over by a particular temple, which makes you wonder if it was sort of the fallback point, maybe the agreed upon place where everybody meets if all, you know, the worst happens. And maybe there's a lot of invalids and vulnerable population members holed up there. Who knows? Bring the army back there and defend everybody as best you can.
Eventually, the defenders are surrounded on all sides. They will break. Arian has the cavalry running out of the city at high speed and over the plain and getting away and the infantry trying to save their skins, as he says, as best they can.
But at a certain point, it's hard to know when that moment specifically happens, but the vibe changes from one of fighting and battle where both sides are equally at risk to sacking and killing and pillaging and looting. Diodorus talks about all of the Theban fighters who were still scattered in little pockets all over the city.
Remember, this is a big city, and they had these narrow little Greek streets. with sometimes buildings two, three, four stories tall on either side. So these are little bottleneck killing zones where...
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