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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Fri, 23 May 2025
•• Fresh Pressed Olive Oil, direct from small farms! Try a free $39 bottle for just $1 shipping at https://GetFreshDrDrew.com/ •• The House Judiciary Committee is investigating Pfizer for allegedly delaying COVID-19 vaccine testing to influence the 2020 presidential election. A former Pfizer scientist, Philip Dormitzer, reportedly claimed senior officials intentionally slowed clinical trials to avoid impacting the election outcome. Rep. Jim Jordan, committee chair, demanded documents and communications from Pfizer and CEO Albert Bourla, covering interactions with federal agencies like the FDA and CDC from March 2020 onward. Dormitzer later denied the claims, but the probe continues. Dr. Sabine Hazan is a gastroenterologist, researcher, and CEO of Progenabiome. She hosts the podcast Let’s Talk Sh*t and authored Let’s Talk Sh*t: Disease, Digestion and Fecal Transplants. A microbiome expert, she consults and speaks on gut health. More at https://x.com/SabinehazanMD and https://progenabiome.com Ian Miller is a writer for Outkick, focusing on science and sports. He authored Illusion of Control: COVID-19 and the Collapse of Expertise and Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates. He runs the Substack UNMASKED, ranked #43 in Health Politics. More at https://x.com/ianmSC 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What allegations are being made against Pfizer regarding mRNA testing?
Well, great guest today. By the way, we're back from our vacation. It was a wonderful trip. We are jet lagged and almost missed the show today because we don't know what time zone we're in. But I'm very privileged to have Sabine Hazan here. She is everything shit. We're going to talk about Let's Talk Shit with her book and her podcast.
And we're going to talk about, amongst other things, Bifidobacteria. And we'll talk a little bit about vaccines and about COVID and the impact it has had on our microbiome. Then Ian Miller, writer for OutKick, focusing on science and sports. His book is Illusion of Control, COVID-19 and the Collapse of Expertise and Unmask the Global Failure. of COVID mask mandates.
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Chapter 2: How did the pandemic influence research and clinical trials?
For example, you just came back from New York. I just came back from Austin. I ate Mexican food. You ate like whatever. And so, you know... Our microbiomes are probably very different and yet we feel like we're normal, right? So how is there a normal? How do you capture that microbiome that you're not really looking at the food that you ate last night, right? So that was another challenge.
The third challenge was how do you capture all that data in a bioinformatics pipeline? Because even the bioinformatics pipeline were flawed. And, you know, you would send the result, the sequences to one pipeline and you would get, again, different results. So it really is, you know, a methodical analysis of the microbiome. It's really precise.
It's really, you have to normalize these samples up to a certain level and you have to really do the clinical, right? So in other words- Well, what did I eat? What did I take? Did I take antibiotics? Was I on medications? And then you compare it to families and then you say, okay, well, let me see what the family looks like.
Oh, the family seems to have these microbes and your kid is lacking these microbes that you all have in the family. What happened? Why is the kid autistic and lacking these microbes, for example, right? So that was really, you know, the whole...
point of progena biome was really to validate to use my experience having done clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies to now bring pharmaceutical companies to say listen you guys have been you know putting one product after another but we're never reaching a cure can we be a little bit more precise can we see what these drugs are doing can we see what you know the vaccine's doing?
Can we see what antibiotics are doing? Can we see maybe one antibiotic improves bifidobacteria, maybe another doesn't? What does Tamiflu do? What does Repdesivir do to the microbiome? So this is basically the path that I want to get us into to develop these markers and to say, look, this is what autoimmune
process looks like this is what leaky gut looks like right so if you look at the data and to get back to your question on leaky gut it's exactly we don't you wouldn't know from the literature because unfortunately 90 percent of the literature out there and i read it all day long it's flawed i can't reproduce it if i can't reproduce it It's not valid.
So if somebody writes a paper on, well, this microbe is Parkinson's, and I'm looking at my 50 patients that I've analyzed that have Parkinson's, and I don't find this microbe, we have a problem. Yes.
So what is the average person? Let's back up to sort of a hilltop view. What does the average person need to understand about this or perhaps do both in terms of healthy people? And I know a lot of people are worried about post-vax, post-COVID, those sorts of syndromes.
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Chapter 3: What role does the microbiome play in health?
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I see. So what have you... You've been down there every day.
But they are calling him P. Diddy. P-E-E. Diddy. After... Hold up your drink. The recent urination. Now we're going to pee?
Pee diddy. I see. Urine diddy.
Did you see that?
I did not yet. I've tried to stay away from this. I told you this morning.
Is this pee or can I drink this?
Okay. Either way, apparently, according to the trial, whether it is or is not, you can drink it. This is good. Emily, tell us about yourself and where can we find you?
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