Ian Miller
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate you having me on.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Absolutely. I think one of the biggest things that I learned because I came in this really from a data perspective and got really interested in seeing how the data was panning out with all the restrictions and mandates that we were trying with COVID was how little evidence based practice there is in so many of medicine and in a lot of these fields and public health that
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
they were making decisions seemingly without a lot of evidence or data or facts to back it up. It was just kind of seemingly out of a panic and fear and wanting to try something to see if it works. But you can't do that when you're playing with people's lives as we were during COVID. And so it really was shocking to see how little... the backing they had for the decisions they were making.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, obviously the one kind of exception to that was Sweden. And if you notice, initially they started talking about Sweden a lot. And then it became clear that Sweden was doing much better than the rest of Europe, much better than we were, despite not having mask mandates, despite not doing lockdowns, keeping schools open, on and on.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
They just kind of stopped talking about it, stopped mentioning it, because it was showing how little evidence they had to support what they were saying. It was the kind of precautionary principle of run wild, but in the wrong direction. As you mentioned, they never gave consideration to the trade-offs of what they were doing.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
that's medicine 101 and there you know nothing you do no lever you pull doesn't also have another reaction to it and ignoring that as we are now seeing an incredible amount of harm
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
It's still going on, is it not? Yeah. Absolutely. And that's the other part of it, too, is that they specifically wanted people that disagree with them to be censored, acting as if it was dangerous to say there could be another way to do this. We might not be handling this correctly.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And I mean, we've seen the emails of Francis Collins and Fauci saying that we need a swift takedown of the Great Barrington Declaration.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
That's a great question. I think I would say that we had a group of very egotistical, controlled-minded experts, quote-unquote, and politicians that panicked. They bought into fear. They did not listen to evidence that contradicted their viewpoints.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And once it became obvious that what they were trying wasn't working throughout the early middle part of 2020, instead of learning from that, admitting they were wrong, changing course, they doubled down and made things 10 times worse. So it was...
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
I would say it's just a complete waterfall effect of bad ideas leading to bad outcomes and then having people that were too caught up in their own egomaniacal control paranoia that they weren't willing to alter course.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Oh, absolutely. The hypocrisy, I think, is another really important story that's kind of just been forgotten. I mean, you brought news and that's a great example. There was in the UK, their health minister was having an affair during lockdown and leaving lockdown to go see his mistress.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And we had, I mean, so many examples, Stacey Abrams, when she went to go visit that school and she was not wearing a mask and all the kids were forced into masks and school little kids and I mean, Nancy Pelosi getting her hair done. I mean, there's a limitless amount of examples of this hypocrisy and with no kind of acknowledgement.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And the biggest one of the biggest problems I have is with the media pointing out, well, if they're not that scared, why should we be? Instead, they were you know, they would just kind of move on or ignore it because they have the same party or whatever. They believed in the greater good.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
But it was really frustrating to see how little they actually wanted to follow their own mandates and how they impacted our lives. And they weren't willing to do it themselves. They weren't willing to have any impact on their lives. Right.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, I agree. I think it is... One of the, I mean, among the many, many inexcusable things that happened during COVID, I think the movement towards, well, you can't have an idea because it can make people unsafe. That's a dangerous concept.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
I mean, ideas do not make people unsafe, and conversations do not make people unsafe, especially when you're talking about the harms that were caused by the policies that they were enacting. I mean, lockdowns were not harmless policies. School closures were not harmless policies. Mask mandates were not harmless policies. Obviously, vaccine mandates and passports, so...
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, you have to be able to have these conversations.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
I have those exact same concerns. And from speaking to people that worked in there and public health at a very high level throughout the pandemic and starting in 2020, it's a lot of groups think, you know, they don't really listen to outside opinions. They get very caught up in what their circle of people think. And obviously it's a very kind of left-leaning
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
profession that didn't like Donald Trump and kind of took the position that whatever Donald Trump said or did or thought was gonna they were gonna take the opposite position even when he said things that were obviously right like opening schools so it's it's very I think it's a really disheartening thing that we can't trust them because they're not willing to be honest with us
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, so there is a house investigation currently ongoing because there was a scientist that worked in Pfizer, a very high up in Pfizer, during the testing for the COVID vaccine in 2020. And he said to his employer that he went to after Pfizer that he had been instructed to delay test results and take longer conducting the test results because they were concerned that
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
if they released positive results before the 2020 election, that it could influence who people voted for. And I think it's very clear that Pfizer wanted to get Joe Biden into office. They didn't want Donald Trump to be reelected.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And they probably, I mean, it's allegedly, but it seems like they may have purposely delayed releasing the results so that they would come out after the 2020 election had happened, which is what happened. That's exactly what happened.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, and nobody wants to take accountability or accept that they were wrong about this. And for politicians, it makes some sense because politicians don't like to ever admit that they're wrong about anything.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
But when you're talking about public health professionals and experts, the only way that you can ever have trust with the public is to be honest and to tell the truth because people can tell when you're lying and they can tell when you don't know what you're doing.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
I mean, Anthony Fauci saying, wear anything in front of your face, then wear a cloth mask, then wear two cloth masks, then wear an N95 mask, then wear two N95 masks. Just on and on and on.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah. And if you go back and look at what Anthony Vasquez said on 60 Minutes in February 2020, that's almost exactly what he said, that it could actually make things worse because people will be touching their faces so much to adjust the mask to make it more comfortable. All of a sudden, two months later, he changes his mind.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And obviously, that sets off a whole mess of mandates and policies that lasted for years. And obviously, it's still lasting today in some parts of California. Yeah. One of my favorite examples briefly is that L.A. County did a survey in 2021 and found that 95% of people and businesses were complying with the mask mandate and said in their press release that was why cases were low in Los Angeles.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Within three or four weeks, L.A. had one of the highest case rates in the world, not just the United States, anywhere on Earth, after 95% of people were wearing masks. And they had kept the mask mandate for months afterwards and threatened to bring it back later. So it's just ridiculous. Yeah.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, and unfortunately, I was actually very surprised at how many people did fall for the propaganda that we were sold here. It really is disappointing. I kind of expected better. I thought more people would be standing up for the mask, saying we're not going to wear masks anymore. We're not going to have these mandates anymore, and we're not going to keep kids out of school and things like that.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And it didn't really happen to the extent that I hoped that it would. It was very disappointing.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, exactly. And we did the opposite of that. And I think we, and not only do we do the opposite, that we encourage people to tell on their neighbors. I mean, Tim Walz in Minnesota, as we all learned during the election, had set up a hotline for people in Minnesota to rat out their neighbors for not complying with COVID mandates.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
That's what we did. Instead of treating people with honesty and telling the truth, it was let's tell on everybody and, you know, rat on our neighbors.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Most of it has been very positive. Obviously, you have some people that disagree. But I try to do a very purposeful job of sticking to data and bringing up the data and showing just here's what it is. Here's what happened, making comparisons. You know, this area that's right next to this area, one had a mandate, the other didn't. And the area without a mask mandate did better.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Well, how can that be true if what we're hearing from Fauci and the CDC is accurate? Obviously it can't. And you know, one example may not be enough, but with the book, the goal was to show that there's hundreds of examples over and over again, everywhere you look. And it's not just us. It was in Europe. It was in other parts of the world.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And you know, we never really had those conversations here and because the media wasn't willing to have them, they just promoted whatever they were told. And so that was the idea is to kind of go into detail and show we tried all these things. It didn't work and it didn't work anywhere. It didn't, there's not a single example that people can point to that said, Oh, here's our, here's our,
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
It's a really tough question. I think that the only way that you can convince them is to point out, and I do this in the book as well, that pre-COVID, all of our research on pandemics and how to handle them had showed that masks would not work. The UK had their pre-pandemic guidance. The CDC had their pre-pandemic guidance. They both said masks should not be recommended in a pandemic. And
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
they did it anyway um they both said we should have society open which is with as minimal disruption as possible obviously we didn't do that so they kind of took all of the planning ahead of time and threw it out and did what they wanted anyway because of panic and fear that's right so it isn't well we didn't you know we were doing the best of what we knew at the time they did this they planned for 20 plus years for this to happen and when it happened they took everything they planned and threw it out because they they were too scared
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, exactly. That's one of the biggest issues is, okay, I can see that for maybe a few weeks or a couple of months, but almost immediately everybody could see. Yeah, everybody could see this was only, this is most severely impacting people who are extremely elderly, extremely sick already, you know, young, healthy people were not affected by this. Children were not affected by this.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And they kept it going for years afterwards, years. And that's where it really starts to get out of control. And you mentioned it earlier, but it was very hard for areas and countries that turned these policies on to turn them off again because there was no off-ramp. They didn't have a set path of this is how we end these policies.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
It just kept going forever and enduring places like Florida and Sweden that proved them wrong.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Well, from my understanding, the company that the scientists went to work for confirmed to the House panel that that is what they were told, that this ex-Pfizer employee specifically stated that he was told by Pfizer to delay the test results, to delay releasing, to kind of slow walk everything to avoid impacting the 2020 election.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
He says it's not an accident that he released it after the election was over. So, I mean, he's kind of retracting it, but He's retracting it after it became public and there's potential that it can come back to hurt him a bit. And he apparently asked for a relocation to Canada with the firm, his new company.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
So, I mean, obviously it's very suspicious and, you know, retracting it now almost adds more weight to it that it seems like that's exactly what happened. And it does make sense because Pfizer probably did want to kind of put their thumb on the scale of the 2020 election. And they got what they wanted. And we had boosters and mandates and vaccine mandates.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
I mean, Biden tried to get every private business in the country to mandate vaccines or almost everyone. You know, I'm sure Pfizer was very hopeful that that would be the case under a Biden administration, not a Trump administration.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, and I have written about it a lot. I think it is. We're still learning a lot. And even though we're obviously several years out of the pandemic, there is a lot of research still coming out about it. We're still finding about long term effects. We're not going to know really for several years more what the long term effects thing is from the vaccine.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And, you know, if there are long term effects, I just wrote a story about how Scientists did a comparison of Pfizer's vaccine and Moderna and found that there was a significant increase in all-cause mortality from people that took Pfizer's vaccine in this massive multi-million person sample in Florida.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Absolutely. I think there's lots and lots of questions that need answers. We'll unfortunately probably never get them. It doesn't seem like there's really an appetite to go hard after Pfizer or Moderna for kind of explaining the answers to those questions that you're asking. And I think it really was the mandates were inexcusable.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And there was no justification for doing it after we knew they couldn't stop transmission, which was within a couple of months. And they kept doing it anyway.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Well, I mean, you know, here in California, you see the Bay Area had several counties this fall and into this spring that still had mask mandates in hospitals. So I think it's still really important to have these conversations and continue focusing on it because there's still a lot of people that refuse to acknowledge what we've learned over the last few years.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
And, you know, this is impacting millions of people, even now in 2025. I know it's hard to believe, but it still is. So I want to keep talking about it and having these conversations because that's the only way we ever get people to change.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, so it's just E-N-M, and then I went to USC in Los Angeles, so Southern California, that was the reference.
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Pfizer Told Scientist To “Deliberately Slow Down” mRNA Testing To Help 2020 Biden Election, Alleges US House Panel w/ Dr. Sabine Hazan & Ian Miller – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 483
Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.