Tommy Metz III
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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
The fact that they made it, granted, if we take the Trinity out of it, the idea that God and the Son and the Holy Ghost, that they're all the same thing, because that just sort of makes your head blow open. You have a child. The idea of being so humble, because Jesus was humble, but really who was in charge of the humble train was God, because he gave his only begotten Son.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
So you have to give up Nicholas. Or everyone else being a jerk. Nicholas has done nothing wrong. But you have to put your son in eternal detention. Well, three-day detention. And then he comes back. But either way, the humility to do unto others, to save everyone around you and lose one of the things that is the most important thing to you, is that relatable-ish?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Because that's unthinkable for you. You would say, the answer is, no, that's stupid. Yeah.
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But I think the relatable thing is supposed to be that he, capital H, he didn't. He did that for us. That is ultimate humility. That is ultimate grace is supposed to be. And I, again, I am not a religious person, but I know I am religious, what? Not themed. Adjacent. Yeah, I'm on the off ramp of religion. But yeah, I think that's probably the best way that you can try to imagine that.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Got it. So it's not because you were told to, but it's because this is what makes the most sense for all of us together. Yeah. And every time you use the word, you've used it twice now, every time you use the word foster, you know that my brain goes right to my dog. It's your dog. And I miss the next couple. Right.
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you just have to sort of black out you have to be very careful yeah i'm always like oh i have to pick up sticks at the store yeah um you just have to know that but yeah that makes i love that i love anything that doesn't have to do with rules or doctrine from above whether the above being religion or government or anything that if we're figuring it out on our own golden rule style that's always the best that's the i think so too
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
To wit, the pandemic, for instance. To wit, the pandemic, right. Everyone was all of a sudden either an expert or very skeptical of experts.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Yeah. You keep mispronouncing the word communist when you say Confucianism.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
We just play fantasy football. You think fantasy football is just imagining a game? That's kind of what I think. Well, guess what? I just scored nine touchdowns.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And now, words are fun, with all the feelings, sins, and virtues. And our contestant today is Uncle Pete. Pete, come on down! Yay! Okay, what am I doing? Pete, as you know, this is the show where we ask a question, and it doesn't really matter if you know the answer or not, because I did research that I want to share no matter what.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And I'm Tommy Metz III. Woo! We're already on number four.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
We don't know what you're talking about because I have a different character. All right, Pete, here we go. What does the phrase eat humble pie usually mean?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Right. It means to apologize for or take back something that you've said. Okay. Or done. Right. You eat humble pie. You're exactly right. Do you know where that phrase came from? Have you ever thought to think, where did that phrase come from? It's a UK phrase, mostly.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Did I send you my notes by accident? That's crazy. This has been, no, that is not, that is not quite right. But you are right that it involves food. Would you like to know? Can I just go ahead and tell you real quick? Please tell me. In the 14th century, the numbles, N-U-M-B-L-E-S, was the name given to gross food.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
For the most part, heart, liver, entrails of animals, especially of deer, what we would now call awful, O-F-F-A-L, not awful, but it was awful. It was considered a lower class food. By the 15th century, the term had changed to just umble. Instead of N-U-M-B-L-E, it was now U-M-B-L-E, dropping the N. How did this happen? Well, some word smarties think that pies might be the reason.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
At that time, pies were extremely popular and affordable to eat, and a lot of people didn't have money. And if you were to eat or serve a pie made of numbles, N-U-M-B-L-E, you would call it a numble pie. thus dropping the N in pronunciation. A numble pie. A numble pie. Exactly right.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
We can hide these things, Pete. You're in charge of the edit. Yeah, we're going to... What an own goal. We're pulling a real baby reindeer. We're just going to shove them all out at once.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And because humble and humble sound so alike, it was actually used as a pun of sorts in the UK by 1830, meaning to eat lower class food or to do something resulting from past regret was to eat humble pie. But then everyone forgot the gross stuff used to be called numbles or umbles in the first place. And so humble pie just became an idiom when no one remembered it was originally a punchline.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
So everyone's walking around just saying these words, not realizing that we used to be smart and it was like a play on words. And now we're just saying this stupid words together, humble pie, which doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't mean anything.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Yeah, but it used to. Humble or numble. It was a numble pie. What is America's version? Here's your second question, Pete. Oh. What is America's version other than eating your words or humble pie? What do we say? It's not used very much at all. Oh, eat ass. So close. Show me eat ass. No, that's a different. That's family ass. No, the America's version is eat crow. To eat your own words.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
To eat crow. Do you know why it was called that?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Extremely poor people. No, it just used to eat boiled crows. Like they would find crows were very plentiful. And so like sassy, you've seen Disney cartoons, crows and Siamese cats are notably sassy. So they were very easy to catch. And so you would boil them and you would call eating boiled crow or eating crow was humbled experience because crows are nasty. All right. That's our show.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Pete, you've won nothing. Thank you. And we'll see you on the next episode of words are fun. Goodbye forever.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
So far, is it interesting? And I think we talked about this last episode that I know we're only four in, but every time we talk about a virtue, it's a little harder than the sin. Sins are just more fun. And I guess the problem with virtues is because we're bringing up Well, this actually gets into humility because we're bringing up sometimes personal stories.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Humility by David Tenson. Perhaps humility feels like this, to shut my mouth, quiet my critique, and make space for sapling and seed only time away from tallness, to leave generous gaps in the canopy of wisdom, to recall that I too remain dependent on the elements and shelter of neighbors and strangers.
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to live with a fragile knowing that the unavoidable truth is we all fall and break down only to become a bed for both friend and foe to dig their own roots into just as we have done. Pete! Oh, hi again. Hi, it's me. I've been here the whole time. Today, as you know, we've been talking about humility and being humble.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
So on that line, Pete, have you heard of the word, it was very in fashion a while ago, and then even the author that came up with it disowned it because it became too overused. Have you heard of the word humble brag?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Do you want to define what do you think humble bragging is? Or I can just define it for you.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
That's just a bunch of spoods. Usually it's over social media and it was started by comedians and then everyone started doing it where it's the idea of subtly letting others know how fantastic your life is while undercutting it with a bit of self-effacing humor or woe-is-me gloss. So it's pretending to be like, oh, boo, who is me? But you're actually bragging.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
This was a word coined by late, amazing comedian, writer, comedian and writer and actor Harris Whittles, who is no longer with us anymore. Would you like some examples that I called from Grantland and BuzzFeed? Why does this make you so upset? Wait, first of all, this was just supposed to be like a little bit of an intro. Why are you shaking your head?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Oh, my God, there's blood coming out of your nose.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Oh, so you're worried that you're either humble bragging or just bragging.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Here's a story about how I was virtuous makes it seem the opposite.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Well, none of that was humble bragging. That was just being proud of your work.
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Yeah. Right. Here, let me give you some examples, some historical examples called from Grantland and BuzzFeed that Harris Whittles picked off of social media. These are all celebrities talking about things. See if you can figure out the difference between what you just said and what they're saying. Do you remember Tequila? Yeah. She had a thing called A Shot of Love.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
It was a dating show that I think was followed up by A shot of penicillin. So Tia Tequila, old host turned right wing weirdo, it turned out, wrote once, I hate my Lambo. Police is always pulling me over just because it's a Lambo. So they always think I'm speeding, but I'm not. Then they let me go. Okay. So she's saying, woe is me, my life is so hard, but it's because I have a Lamborghini. Yeah.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I have to find like self-deprecation within my humility. Well, first, okay, Pete, I know, I don't know if you've met, we have a robot friend and I was wondering if maybe a Pete robot, robot, Pete robot, say hi. Hi. And a robot. Why don't you go ahead and set the table?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
That's a humble brag.
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Good. Toy Story 3 and Finding Nemo director Lee Unkrich once said, quote, spazz alert, colon, I tripped walking upstairs to receive my Oscar nominee certificate. Hashtag forever a nerd.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And also, he did trip. This is a humblebrag. There's no reason to say that. I mean, you can see that they really want everyone to know that he got an Oscar nominee certificate, but he's pretending to do it under the guise of Uber.
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We didn't need to know that he was receiving an Oscar. I'm pushing back on your pushback. It's a classic humblebrag. Let me keep going. Okay. Keep going. Actor, comedian, Stephen Fry. Wrote, oh dear, don't know what to... Oh, all great British humblebrags start with oh dear. Yeah. Oh dear, don't know what to do at the airport. Huge crowd, but I'll miss my plane if I stop and do photos.
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Dot, dot, dot. Oh dear, don't want to disappoint people like Stephen Fry.
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And finally, Kevin Hart. Comedian, quote, actor, end quote. I'm watching the UCLA and Florida game in amazement because I performed in the same arena where they are playing now and sold it out. Hashtag God is good. These are all. So that's humble bragging. Okay. Yeah.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
You're ready for the whiplash of one of the worst segues to talk about myself in history. Oh, good. Yeah. I'd like to offer up a twist on that term, humble bragging, and explain how I use it in Young Storytellers.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And Young Storytellers, real quick, it is a nonprofit creative writing and literacy program that I work for out of Los Angeles that I've talked about a bunch. I call it, this is a thing that I, I'm just making up this phrase for this episode. I've never called it this before, but I desperately wanted to relate it to what we're talking about. I call it dumbbell bragging. These were humble bragging.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I'm dumbbell bragging. May I explain it? And the reason I want to bring this up is because you don't work with kids, but A, you have kids, and B, you have been an instructor. You've been a teacher for people younger than you. And so I wonder if A, you... Find value in what I'm about to explain to you and B, if you've ever used it. Does that make sense? Go for it.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
So when I'm working with a new fifth grader, I pretty much exclusively work with fifth graders, especially one that is very shy or introverted. It can be very hard to get them to trust me or to open up. Of course, because I'm a 49-year-old thousand man and they are a child with their life in front of me and they can see the light dying in my eyes.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And so they don't want to catch what I've caught, which is aging. And so I have a large basket of tricks that I can use. But one that I've been leaning on more and more lately is making myself vulnerable through a bit of self-deprecation of sorts.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I will actively make a mistake or do something kind of dumb or silly on purpose in front of the kid and then call myself out on it and laugh about it together. Like I won't talk down about myself. I won't say, ugh, or get frustrated. I'm such a jerk. What did I do? I'll just poke fun at myself. May I give you an example? I hope you do. This is a true story.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Two weeks ago, I was working with a young girl named Estefania, and she was very sweet and polite, but painfully shy. I was actually subbing in for another mentor. So this was like week three, and she was just meeting me for the first time and was never going to see me again. I was just subbing in for a mentor. So I realized that she was really, really quiet.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Thank you, Robot. Pete, humility, what do you think? Is it all it's got to be? I want to do this like this morning zoo radio. We're taking calls. What do you guys think about humility?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I've been told by the mentor, it's really hard to get her to open up. And so I started the process by we were sitting next to each other and I was reading out loud the last bit of the script that she had written so far. And to help bridge the gap, I tripped myself up on purpose. I'd like to, this is what I mean by dumbbell bragging.
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You're being a little dumb on purpose to make yourself more accessible to others that need it. So for example, her script took place in Africa and the main character was a giraffe with an Australian accent. And I'd say it's lines and I'd do the accent. Pete, we know and avid listeners know I cannot do accents at all. Settled linguistic science. Yeah. Yes.
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But I would make it egregiously bad for her and then say, I'm so terrible at voices. And she would giggle. And then I'd try to have her say it. And then I'd get even worse for the next line. Or I do it as an English accent. Like I would just keep messing up. And then I finally and she would giggle. And finally, I was like, OK, you're in charge of all the draft lines.
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When we read together, I'll read all the other characters of the script stuff because I'm too embarrassing. You have to do it. And just like that, I got her talking. Now she's saying all the lines. She is comfortable with me. She's leaning into me emotionally.
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And I think she got comfortable with me in part because showing vulnerability and making mistakes, albeit leaning into it on purpose, I erased the line between instructor and student. By dumbbell bragging, I raised her up to my level by lowering myself to hers. Wait. That was a riddle, but you understand. Oh, I met her in the middle.
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It's like... Like when you meet a friend's kid, some adults instinctively, like if they're very small, instinctively get down on their hunches. Like you physically lower yourself to their level. Right. So you're not just looking down on them when they're staring up at you. When they're staring up at you, that's when they hide behind their parents' legs. It's because you are an intimidating force.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
But dumbbell bragging, as I'm now coining, it's a way of doing it emotionally, I guess.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I understand what you're saying. And I understand that. I guess the brag was I was really I wasn't trying to cover up the mistakes that I was doing. I was really putting a spotlight on them.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Right. And so the idea and but I'm calling it bragging because it's almost like, in case you missed it, look at what I messed up. And I'm still messing up. I'm really, I'm almost bragging about how dumb or I bet I am with this in order to so that's where the bragging I think I was trying to make it come in. Usually you would try to like speed past it or correct yourself.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Instead, I'm really putting on the brakes, right?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
another way I would do it, for instance, is like talking to you. If I was talking to you, I'd say like, uh, her script took place in Africa and it was the, um, Oh, it's the, it's the, it's a very common animal, like real tall, eat leaves.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Like giraffe. Okay, good. Okay, from now on, you're in charge of animals. That's Dumbo break. Like I know the word giraffe, but just skipping on that and letting them pull in the stuff and then saying, oh, thank you for doing that. And now you're in charge of that. I've given you agency. I've given you and taken myself down a peg, even though I was in control of the conversation the entire time.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
It's interesting. It feels like good jujitsu.
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Is because I forget actual words all the time. And now I'm going to incept that I was dumbbell bragging instead of literally not knowing what a giraffe was, which was 100% what was happening.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
From humility to the opposite. Not the opposite of humility, but it's a rough one.
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Yes, we are wrathing it up. I don't exactly know what Wrath means. I know it means violence and anger. But I have to do some research on this and figure it out. I know Khan is involved.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
And I'm Tommy Metz III. Thank you so much for downloading. We will be back next week with all the feelings, sins, and virtues.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Low view. We'll see. Modest and low is very different for me. It's being used almost like a synonym here. But modest is like you're like capping expectations. You're not blowing your own horn, but you do have a horn. You're older yet. You're just not putting your lips around it. Gross. But a low view of one's importance seems like you are tearing yourself down and that's not helpful.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
I assume that there is a difference between humility and self-deprecation. I think if anything, I tend to maybe I've been told that I tend more to stray towards the latter. Towards self-deprecation versus humility. But I don't know how to separate those two.
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I don't weaponize humility. Um, well, yes, I use it as a yes. And I'm actually going to be talking about that in a later segment about how I use humility or humility.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Yes. Yeah. And not not self-aggrandizing yourself, just really knowing where you are, where your skin is and where your place is.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Pride and honor. Okay. This is in the Greeks, you're saying.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Oh, I see what you're saying. So it's completely reversed. I guess maybe both could exist, but I guess both can't exist. So Pride, everyone's psyched that you're overly proudful.
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Was it just because you were like convincing other people or is it like a fake it till you make it thing? Why? Because having pride doesn't mean you have achievements. It means you're saying, right? It means you're saying I'm the best. It doesn't mean you're the best.
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That sounds terrible for a society to be based on loving them. And it also kind of sounds like America. A lot of America.
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Well, I have a guess, but it's going to be the same guess that I've had every episode so far. And I don't want it to seem like I'm perseverating on one thing.
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Yeah. Who did he think he was? Um, Right. Because he preached humility. He preached that the meek shall inherit the earth, that rich people are camels and needles and can't get into heaven. All of that. Right.
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It's going to ring a bell. Oh, the real humbleness. Well, I mean, obviously giving yourself up for crucifixion on behalf of everybody else is a pretty cool, is a pretty cool. It's pretty, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. What is it? Unless it was crucifixion.
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This is completely offering yourself up, sacrificing yourself for everyone else being a jerk.
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We can be that specific with time that far ago?
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It's all right because everyone's texting up.
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I think, by the way, just to go back a second, that when we were doing the quiz, that I made sure to say Jesus Christ and not Jesus because I didn't want you to be confused. Yeah, you could have been talking about Christ like a famous. Oh, my friend Denzel Washington.
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And we have so much more in effect text now. Yeah. Is it because the floods are all coming from one place? Meaning that we still sort of had not a town crier, but ideas were coming from more centralized places instead of everyone screaming them all the time. Because that is really surprising to have. That is a huge shift.
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And I bet there was a lot of prideful people flapping in the wind being like, no, but wait, you love me, right? Yeah, check out what I can knock over with my penis. Like no one there just laughed in the dark. Yeah.
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And that just, and that one, one is a dumb way to say it, but because that struck, it must have struck something that so many people either hadn't thought of or did believe. And you know what I mean? Like it uncovered... It awoke something. That's how that has to work. It can't just be like, oh, this guy said it, so let's go. It was this... We've always been thinking this way.
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So maybe it was a lot of... Maybe there were a lot more meek. Of course there were. There were a lot more meek and less... People with things less to be proud of. There's always smaller on the top with all the power. So that may just be... An inversion of the pyramid, right? Right. An uprising of humility, which seems like an oxymoron. But you know what I mean? This is it. Yeah.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
It's all of the meek and all of the people with no that feel humble, that feel that they are less than, but realizing, wait, if you'd say we have the power, we're so much more than you guys are. We win.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Oh, if you're prideful, then of course you're allowed to do anything.
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You can lust it up. You can wrath it out.
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Sure. Wow. Interesting, because that's the tipping point. If you believe in yourself that much, then is this really a sin?
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Man, I never would have thought that pride would be. Pride seems like The also sin. I know.
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Like, that's really interesting. It's extremely interesting because there's so much Again, I'm just, I'm really putting the more on an oxymoron, but there's so much strength in humility that I didn't think it's such a strong, I thought humility would be kind of like what you said, like this one is a little hard. Like the first three words that I use when I was like, okay, what's for week four?
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Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Humility. I think my first three words were boy, boy. I don't know what to say. Like it's humility. What are you going to do? It's like, it's like sneezing in the wind, but no, there is so much, not a phrase, but there is so much there. And it really is like the leash that keeps you from going crazy in so many other ways.
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The Diligence Dilemma
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The Diligence Dilemma
I like what you said about it, that it must be starting at school. It must be starting in the family, like very young, just going out and doing this type of job, which is physical labor for the most part, is... It's painstaking, but it's also like a really a source of pride. We don't have that. And I think one of the reasons maybe is because it seems like so many.
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Be excellent to each other and... Party on, dudes.
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I'm sort of just saying this out loud, and I don't know if this is really true, but it seems like in America, so many of the people that make the most money.
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don't actually do things like it's like you know it's like stockbrokers or people in finance like they're just moving things around that they're not actually producing a that's why they say like construction workers have some of the highest job satisfaction is because they can see something yeah be created out of nothing we have a lot of just moving numbers around and buying and selling short and all of that which maybe isn't as romantic yeah
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I am guessing it's through the roof. That there's work hard, play hard. They just stopped at work hard.
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I would think that Germany would also be very steadfast in work until it's done.
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They just still seem, and I think this is a very old personalization for them, but they just seem more rigid now. than some other countries.
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Meaning, does that mean like, don't take, do your job so you don't have to take any work home with you?
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Ooh, Pete, are you ready? Today we are rubber meets the road, pedal to the metal, other car things, because we are going to give this maximum effort. today maximum effort yes yes this topic what what have we done so far gluttony give me a break what have we done rash but that's kind of exciting those are all the easy ones yes this last i could feel horny on a dime please Yes.
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I wouldn't, I, it never would have occurred to me, but it makes so much sense that it would be so different around the world. And the idea of making like in Taiwan, making your job honor is, and making your job worth it and you're a hero sounds great and terrible. I mean, I think when you first started saying it, I was like, oh, why don't we do that?
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But I don't want to do that because I mean, I brought up the phrase work hard, play hard. The play hard is what you're going to remember. You're not going to remember. I guess maybe it's like legacy or you talked about what somebody said when he died. I already forgot who it was. But like no one's going to remember. Oh, Buddha. Oh, that seems important. I should have written that down.
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It wasn't just somebody. As Carl said, okay, Buddha, that's someone that I should have remembered. But you're not going to remember like, oh, that 19th chip. You're going to remember the between times. it sounds like that could also lead to a capitalist nightmare and what some people maybe are living. But on the other side, if you are trapped in that and you do have to work,
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Because working gives you money to pay for things and your family. If you find real honor and achievement in that, then that's also good. I don't know. It's torn both ways.
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Right. What is that? What is your motivator? Is it that you are providing something or if you don't do this, you disappear?
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Do you know what we as podcasters need? What? Pots and pans. Whenever we start recording, it's ironic because the one thing that will mess up our doing our job is people banging on pots and pans. So we'll be like, thanks, but okay. Okay. As we put more and more padding around our entire room.
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Education elevates. Struggle to be good at it. Many will play at it, join them not. Suffering awaits the indolent, wailing for the truants. Play not with the dawn, be diligent. Time waits for no one.
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But no, today we are really digging down. And it's interesting because it's ironic between you and me. This is the episode that I've done the least amount of work for. So that's perfect. Because should we have the robot tell us what we're talking about today? I think it's because we are talking about diligence.
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Uh, Pete. Oh, hi. Hi. Feeling friends know that we teased why, to your words, I look so tired. No, I am not a fruiting body. I have not been taken over by some gross, horrific funk guy. No, instead, yesterday I was on set all day. A good friend of mine named David is directing a
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feature film a horror film out of his place and he asked me to be script supervisor on days that i'm on set oh this is very exciting do you know what a script supervisor does well i absolutely do and because of i don't want to outshine your segment i think you should tell everybody what a script supervisor does Well, it's interesting because script supervisor is something I've never done.
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And I made it very clear to him, I don't know how to do this. So we had to talk about what kind of things do you need to know? And then I wrote this down. So I made this sheet called a script supervisor report because all the templates that were on the computer land were filled with too much information he didn't need. Basically, a script supervisor more or less is in charge of continuity.
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So when actors do takes over and over and over again, you have to make sure that they do the same things as far as physically acting. and interacting with props around them, or else continuity will be broken, and when you cut from one shot to another, cups will be flying all over the place.
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This actually happened to me once for the feature that I directed, 30 Nights, where we didn't have a... Oh, no, we did have a script supervisor. Unfortunately, they didn't notice that in half of the takes...
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uh actor johnny gd giacoloni uh picked up a whiskey bottle and put it on the table to his right and then in half the takes he put it on the table to his left and unfortunately the whiskey bottle was in all the coverage that means i had the amount of shots that i could use was cut in half yeah because you can't have the whiskey bottle jumping around it wasn't that type of a story so
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I don't know what type of a story that would be, but it sounds awesome, I guess. So yeah, so my job was to run... Someone else was running the slate. That's the thing where you go 23, Baker, take one. The first AC was running that, but I have to take notes about every single take about what they do with their hands, what they do with the fork, and I have to remind them every time.
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We just did... It was the first day yesterday on set, and it was... Fairly easy for everyone except for three people, I would say. The actors, because they have to memorize their lines. It was very long dialogue scenes. And respectfully, me, because they were sitting at a table and eating. And that is a million props. There's so many different things.
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So you have to write down a little note every time that they take a bite. What he does. That's why I mentioned the fork is he picked up the fork, took a bite. Then when the argument starts, he put the fork in his left hand and re put it down on the napkin and has to be that way over and over again. And so it's a way of diligently, painstakingly taking all of these.
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What hand did he use to bring his chair out? When did he start rubbing his eyes? When did he cross his arms? It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be close enough. And then I have to not breaking the actor's actoriness. sort of just slide in after the director gives his or her or their notes and just say, and remember the fork is in the other hand. And he's like, I know I felt that.
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Thanks, robot. See? We did okay. The robot's doing great. Yeah, doing great. Yes.
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And I'm like, great, do it that way. And it's a lot of that. And one of the other things that I did is I'm in charge of keeping track of eye lines. And I actually saved, I was lucky enough to save two eye line mistakes. Eye lines are, if you were picturing two people sitting across the table looking at each other, uh, in a film, one of them is going to be looking left to right.
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One is going to be looking right to left. I know that sounds confusing, but it's just how eye lines work. If they're both looking left to right, then neither of them are talking to each other. Everyone's just staring off. And so I have to take notes about that. And yeah, It's a really fun and terrifying position because every department, every department in a film is fun and terrifying.
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But this is the department where people I'm working with sound because they're constantly asking what take. We're on, I'm working with camera because I have to work the slate with the first AC. Actors are asking, the director needs reminding about eyelines. It's a lot of work.
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And my reports, real quick, my reports look like I was the guy, speaking of our trailer for this season, the guy from Seven. Like I just have this box and I have all this incredibly small writing, tiny, tiny, tiny writing.
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Well, it's – there is pride also speaking of sins and virtues that in diligence there is pride because you're doing – the script supervisor is doing their job so everyone else can best do theirs.
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The director is concentrating on the actor's faces and the emotions they're doing. I'm the one that says – that makes a little note and says you can see his lavalier, his microphone cord. It got loose of his shirt. And so the director's not... And I sold out my script supervisor for 30 nights about the whiskey bottle. Constantly, they were like, you can see this, you can see that.
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I mean, they saved my life completely. So I'm even doing like a real poor man's job of it. Like usually script supervisors have all of these codes and the signals that they do down the script. I'm just doing the basic version of it. And it's already...
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diligent night where are you i just a question about the job like where are you on set when this is happening because you can't be everywhere how do you see all these things traditionally you would be in what's called video village with the director watching the coverage you're watching on a monitor all of what the film because all you care about is what the camera can see yeah this is low budget enough we don't have a video village so i'm just right there
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On the side, I check the frame and then I'm not looking at the frame anymore. I'm just looking at what they do and making notes. So I'm just one of many weirdos slightly rocking back and forth, which is my want, which everyone frees everybody out. Just like really painstakingly looking and trying to find every nuance that I can. Okay.
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It's excitement and fear. As I said, it's a terrifying job that you are, if I let something go through, if script producer misses something and an eyeline is missed or changes, that's going to mess up that entire scene. And you won't know that it's messes up the entire scene until a month from now when the editor is going through things. So it's really, it's people pleasing.
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It's desperately wanting to do a good job and, you get a feeling of reward when there's a disagreement about which take or anything, and you say, okay, things are getting weird. Let's go from Charlie to Delta just to clean slate. So you're always calling things out, which makes it kind of cool. And also the thing, anyone that has spent time on a set is it's –
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if the set is run correctly, like this one is, like my friend is running, it's really a relationship. I mean, you just make these intense friendships for a short period of time, almost like you kind of would. I always kind of compare filmmaking to going to war a little bit. Don't tell a veteran that. But the idea that you're encamped with these people working overly long hours.
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It is summer right now, and we're filming in the valley. And so the heat is insane because you can't have air conditioning running while you're filming. So it's just very the camaraderie that you feel makes you want to do a wonderful job. And then you get home after the day and you crash because you're also kind of working a little bit on adrenaline.
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Yeah. We filmed for, I think we filmed 14 days over 17 days. So yeah, it's every single day. I mean, you just, you arrange everything in your life around it. Like one of the things that I had to do during 30 nights is I had to put Foster up at his favorite camp because I couldn't have another thing to come home to be in charge of. And I was just on set yesterday.
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I'm not on set for the next two days, but then I am on set Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Foster's going to camp because I know I just need all of the extra time to be able to sleep or eat or start a drug habit. I don't know exactly what's going to happen.
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Yeah. That's why, yeah, filmmaking can be kind of a, it's a marathon, but it's really a sprint hiding in the guise of a marathon. It's a long time, but then it will all end. And these people that you become remarkably close to, you will never see them again. Right. You'll see some of them, some of them become like lifelong friends, like Liz did for 30 Nights, our producer. Interesting.
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And a lot of the other people I've never talked to again, not because for lack of want, but just because while... That's the nomadic nature of the business. Right. While I was editing the feature, they moved on and met nine other Toms in the time that it took me. There is no other Tom. Thank you. That was a test. That was good. I appreciate it.
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That's right, because we've already covered two of the what? Sin and virtue, right? Pride and envy. Pride and envy. We did last season. Yeah. Listeners will know. That's right. So we are going to have a little bit new information coming. Or maybe we will react a little bit to what we said back then.
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Cause I have no idea what we said, but yeah, we're going to be, it's like a summer break for us, but not for you listeners. You get to listen to us from before. Is that a good way to describe a clip show?
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What? So you're working hard and doing good? And making good money. And making good money. Got it.
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That's what I was kind of assuming. But I like that everything keeps going back to capitalism.
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Are they those fluffy little balls that keep on flying? No, no, no.
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Oh, they're going to open one for us, but we're going to be working there.
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What does that mean? So it means like if you work at this place in Taiwan, your family knows that that is the top priority. Yeah.
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Oh, I didn't even understand that distinction. The doctor was a woman. Shoot. Oh, I totally messed it up. I see. Okay. Why did they choose Arizona? I thought the whole idea was to send work overseas, not overseas to us.
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And is it just for the people that, my apologies, I don't know if it said it in the clip, but is it just for the people that work at this chip plant or is it anyone that goes out and does a day's work?
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Well, not for me personally, but I remember during the pandemic when we were hitting pots and pans out our windows for nurses, doctors. So we have had times where we have really elevated.
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Right, exactly. But it's interesting to... doctors and nurses seem very different than chip makers. Although I'm sure the chip makers actually are influencing more lives than nurses and doctors, but it's, they're influencing, influencing nurses and doctors, right?
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Lust: The Guiltiest Party
so um liberally that it kind of has lost some meaning right okay yeah is lust always a negative thing it doesn't have to be no i because i said the other part of it was it was sexy yeah a sexy connotation and a negative connotation the sexy connotation is like i'm doing something with my shoulders you sure are that the listeners like so i'm trying to do like a I don't know. Do people see?
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It's all sexy sound effects. I mean, there is... I guess if we're just talking about... No, it is always... Because even if you lust after money or lust after power... I'm having trouble finding the positive connotation that the lust, it seems like it's putting yourself or your own either pleasure or self-worth or something over other people. There's something dehumanizing about lusting.
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And I don't exactly know why. And I don't believe – I believe I'm putting it there, that it doesn't exist necessarily in the word, but I'm just being honest.
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If Lust had a noise, it would be like this. That was good, right? I'm still trying to get across to the listener what I was doing with my shoulders.
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I wish I hadn't done that slurp noise. What's the opposite of ASMR?
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Well, we're talking about – you said the lack of control.
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That's the maladaptive or the whatever cool word for being out of control. But are you saying that there is – that we don't need to keep putting all of this negative connotation that there is a positive part to it? Maybe not.
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Well, because the first – you said all of those things, tantalizing, sexy, it's good, it's helpful. But right away, you made it a two-way street.
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That's the difference. If it's going both ways, then it just – that can be a very positive connotation. If it's just going one way –
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Or it has that possibility because otherwise I just feel like we have other words. I'm turned on by, you know, I'm turned on. I'm attracted to that person.
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Yeah. But you're right that once you put it into a relationship, then it does seem important. Yeah. Because then you don't want it to just be chased. You don't want the flame to go out.
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Lust: The Guiltiest Party
Oh, so you redirect that feeling towards something else?
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You are not hanging out with the right people, buddy. Yeah. Yeah, when you put the word horny, but I mean, the cliche is, you know, there is something called, I will mispronounce it on purpose, no peanut November. Have you heard of?
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And the cliche of that is when you abstain from certain things for an entire month, it's like, I finished my book. Or, you know, like all of that energy is channeled into something else as if that's the one thing that is governing all of our engines. I don't know if that's true, but...
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I think that's probably the point of it is that you would have this extra energy that you could then direct towards another place.
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Oh, is it? Because we're denying something that we see dirty? I don't know. I thought it was supposed to be like a clarity kind of a thing. Maybe. Like I'm going to stop drinking for a month. Because, oh, but yeah, but drinking is not good for you. I see what you're saying. It's saying that something is bad for you. So abstain from it for a while to have a clean slate. But it's not bad for you.
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Oh, my goodness. Well, I never. Eyes batting, fainting couch at the ready.
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It is. So, yeah, we it is based just the fact that it's based in abstaining something means that it's not something that is good for you.
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Yeah, this is going to be an interesting one. I am a real harlot. I was trying to think about, yeah. I am a ne'er-do-well lady of the night. And, yeah, this was, I mean, because our last episode was charity.
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Maybe. Yeah. Maybe it's acting on it. But no, you can still like your quality of life can be drastically taken down if you if you can't stop perseverating on it. I don't know. That's a good question. That's like we talked seasons ago about the psychopath test.
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Like if you take the psychopath test, half the people that aren't psychopaths, they are diagnosed. Or you start to think, like, how would you know? Because you wouldn't know. Yeah.
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Lust: The Guiltiest Party
All I know is the most difficult part about talking about lust is that everything sounds like a double entendre or an innuendo. Like you said, the line between maladaptive and not is big and fuzzy. And I went, I don't know. And big and fuzzy isn't even really a euphemism, but it could be. Are you turned on right now by big and fuzzy? You have no idea. Oh, no, you unlocked something in me.
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Lust: The Guiltiest Party
I have got to go win some carnival prizes. I've got my eye on this giraffe that is... Life dies. Lust, especially in the carnal nature of things, can be found everywhere. Advertising, movies, television. And lust can, of course, be found in the history of politics. Many prominent political figures throughout American history have been exposed for lustful actions.
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Lust: The Guiltiest Party
Alexander Hamilton, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, just to name a few. But what makes lust in politics interesting in a different way is not lust itself, but the worry of lust. The not actually partaking of, and not the defending of past transgressions, but just the thinking about the thinking, and how dangerous that apparently might be.
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One would say that for some political figures, the idea of lust led to the pre-shutting down of lust. The, if you will, anti-lust. For example, in 1976, then presidential candidate Jimmy Carter, a notably religious man, decided to sit down for a lengthy interview with Playboy magazine.
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During this dubious choice, he nearly torpedoed his campaign by proclaiming that, quote, I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I have committed adultery in my heart many times, end quote. Again, not acting on lust, but confessing of its existence. It may seem like a small thing now in current politics, but trust me, it was all anyone could talk about, and it almost cost him the election.
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This is a hard right to lust. We probably right off the top of the bat, this is a family-friendly podcast. But this episode will acknowledge that. the invention of intercourse. What's the best way to say it? Just know that, yeah, we're not going to be, you know, telling rated R stories, I don't believe, but the podcast is young. We'll see where we go.
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Or how about in 2002, when Attorney General John Ashcroft had the Justice Department spend $8,000 to buy large blue curtains to cover up the Spirit of Justice statue in the Great Hall, because the 1930s Art Deco aluminum statue depicting a blindfolded Lady of Justice holding her scales and sword had a bare breast showing. a 72-year-old aluminum boob was just too tempting to let exist unconcealed.
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And former Vice President Mike Pence. During his largely unremarkable time in office, it came out that he would never eat alone with a woman unless his wife was present. That may seem just overly chaste at first look, but it also severely bends, if not breaks, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Look it up if you don't believe me. And the list goes on and on.
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Politicians twisting themselves into pious pretzels, lest lust lead them astray for even a moment. Did I bring these examples up because they offer an oft-overlooked aspect of our relationship with lust? Maybe. Or did I just want to remind us all how incredibly weird politicians can be when they are virtue signaling? We'll never know.
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Pete. Pete, Pete, Pete. I don't know if you know this about me. Did you know that I'm a red-blooded male? Red-blooded male over here.
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Alert. Eating steak, spinning into spittoons. I've done all of it. But as a red-blooded male, I've also felt lust in my heart as much as anyone. We just had a whole big talk about it. I know.
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I know. Sinner. Um, and by lust, I mean the bout chick about bout kind, uh, but for dating, especially post-college, I've always made sure not to lead anyone on or pretend I felt more than I felt for lustful reasons, even though as an adult, you're allowed to do that. Hookups are fine as long as both parties are on the same page.
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There is another party involved in this harrowing tale, and I want to afford them full and absolute confidentiality. They are not a listener, but just in case, I'm not going to tell you, Pete, or the listeners where we met or almost anything identifiable about this person. I'm not even going to gender them. I'm going full deep throat here, no pun intended. No lust episode pun intended.
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But also, I've noticed that that was a pun. Okay. Okay. So that being said, you're going to learn almost nothing about this other person, but let me introduce them. Let's call them V. V was younger than me, but only by about five years. So younger, but not crazy times. And V was, if I may say, very easy on the eyes. That's why I named this person V. Very, very attractive.
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Unfortunately, if we're being honest, maybe not the brightest. Maybe not the best read, worldly. They were sweet and seemed to dig me, but we weren't really on the same page. But, as I almost never do, I overlooked it because I found them so physically attractive. I never told them that I loved them or anything like that, but if I'm being honest...
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and this is I'm being vulnerable and honest, I was just dating them for their looks. I usually never, ever do that. But I said, in this instance, what the heck? We're both consenting adults. I've been accused of over-white knighting in my past. How about I live a little? And it's not like we had done anything physical yet, really.
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V suggested we get lunch at a Mexican place in the valley with margaritas, then go back to my place, my apartment, to watch a movie. Okay. Do that awooga awooga sound that you know.
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Bingo. Exactly. Walk, don't walk. Margaritas plus apartment plus movie. Let's do this. I was nervous and excited. I felt like we were finally going to fool around. Wait, did you define Netflix and chill? Is this where it started? This is where it all. Well, did I tell you that I am Ted Sarantos? Okay. Weird.
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I got to the restaurant early, obviously, because I was a little excited and there was no L.A. traffic for once, which seemed like a really good sign. And they got there and the restaurant was able to seat us right away. Another good sign because the place wasn't too full. We have it was actually pretty empty. We have margaritas and food and all as well. Then we head back to my place.
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We're seating on my couch and they ask if they can dance for me. Well, I couldn't remember the last time someone had asked if they could dance for me or with me. Sure. But for me. So I said, totally. They asked if I had any liquor because we'd had some margaritas. I named what I had and they picked red wine.
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Post-margarita red wine. That might be a red flag. That might come up later. We'll see. Moving on.
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Okay. I see what you're saying. So they play a song on their phone and they start doing this kind of sexy dance. Not like a dance dance and not like a lap dance, but kind of in between. And I'm being, as I said, honest and vulnerable here. It was really hot. They would sort of come over and rub my shoulders or run their fingers through my hair. And it was nice and it was cute and it was sexy.
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And so was the next song they danced to. They danced and they poured some more red wine and drank it and danced for me. I was really enjoying it. It felt like, oh, this is what adults that aren't white knighting their entire lives away do. Like this is very fine and consenting and great and great. By the third song, they were stumbling a little bit, clearly feeling the alcohol. Oh, no.
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And three dances is kind of a lot, so I asked if they wanted to, you know, sit down. They giggled and told me to relax, and they said they wanted to keep dancing for me. Pete, this is all true. By the eighth song... No. I give you my word. They were forgetting which songs they had already danced for for me with and started trying to replay an earlier song. I remarked, we did that song already.
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Are you sure you don't want to sit down? And they started having trouble fiddling with their phone and stuff. And I was getting really disappointed because I had let my lust for this person cloud over the fact that we weren't on the same page. Maybe I could have seen this happening. And so I was kind of mad at myself.
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And if I'm being honest, I was kind of mad at them because at this point they're kind of a mess and they are spilling red wine on my carpet. This had clearly gone on long enough, and they were inebriated enough that I had easily decided, of course, I did not feel comfortable doing anything physical with them. That ship had sailed on a sea of alcohol. They weren't in their full right mind.
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Of course, I would not take advantage of that. Lust had gotten me in the situation. I wasn't going to throw more gross lust at a drunk person on top of it. So as nicely as I can, I shut down the music and said it was probably time to go. And could I call them an Uber? We had both driven separately to my place from the restaurant. They said no, insisting they were fine to drive.
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Nope, that's not happening. You can't hold this glass. You're not doing that. I said no. And so they said, OK, then they'd have a friend come get them. Then they spent the next 15 minutes trying to find their friend's number. Then they called this person and their friend argued about something. And then V told me their friend was two hours away, but was coming.
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I already had drinks, so I wasn't able to drive. So honestly, I was just frustrated. I just wanted to just be over. So I said, I will pay for the Uber. We can figure out your car the next day. They said, no, they would go outside, call for one. And they left. I think they were picking up on the fact that I was a little disappointed. Yeah. Think the story's over? It's not!
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Some people would have drawn the line there, but I had a feeling what they were about to do. So I, like a creep, I sort of walked after them outside and peeked around the corner. and saw them immediately getting into their driver's seat, like I suspected. So I ran over, and I stood in front of their car.
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I woke up and I tripped over my own testosterone this morning. That's how alpha I am. I'm alpha and sigma.
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They were rummaging around looking for something, and then they looked up and saw me, and they were like, oh, hi! As if, oh, of course, this is the part of the date where I pretend I'm not driving, and you just stand in front of my car. They looked surprised.
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They said they mumbled something about how they tried to call Uber, but Uber was closed. At that point, I did take their car keys. I made them get out. I called them an Uber and waited with them until they got in, handed them their car keys, and they drove away. That is pretty much the end.
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So my lustful thoughts had led to a disappointing date, wine stains on my floor, and a really annoying afternoon that had really heightened my anticipation and instead had not gone anywhere where I thought it would. And that was the punishment for my lust.
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Did I say Weinstein's? I meant to say Weinstein's. I'm sorry. Oh, my old pal Harvey was over. He was on your floor. Yeah, he was on my floor because, yeah, it was a weird time. Yeah. So that was my punishment. But do you remember how I said that maybe the entire world had to suffer? I want to know more. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because this date took place on Sunday, March 15th, 2020.
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I'm very jacked. I'm the Rizzler, as the kids say. Full Rizz, no cap. No, I feel very nervous about this. Always have, always will, America. And so I'm interested in getting into it. Should we, before we continue, should we talk about what it is?
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The very next day, Los Angeles County shut down for the coronavirus. Remember how there was no traffic on the way to the restaurant and the restaurant was empty? It's because people were watching the news and not getting day drunk. Everyone but me knew that the world was coming to an end. And I was like, maybe after song seven, things might change.
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You sounded like Yoda. That's right.
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Yeah. Until then, I am Tommy Mess III.
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You mean in English? Yes. Oh, I guess because French kiss isn't in French. I'm sorry. No, it's not in French. I don't know what that was. I don't know what I was addressing or what I thought I meant. Okay.
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And so when they were over there for the war and probably like your hormones are up and you're panicked and you're running so much.
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and uh and so there's the there's the thing about kissing i was fascinated by this because french kiss why you know french fries french kiss it's all we did it it's interesting that it never occurred to me to think about i've just taken french kiss as like almost like it might as well to be one word like i never broke it down and was like where did it come from it sounds like everyone was french kissing except for england and america who were french kissing the french people because we got to yeah
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You're really going out on a limb. You're the one? No, I do too. Kissing is great if the person knows how to do it. And by that, I mean not like there's like tongue acrobatics. It's actually the opposite. I always talk about, and it's probably not my idea, but I always talk about that good kissers are good writers in that kissing well is like making a sentence.
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There's a beginning and a middle and an end. And the worst kissers are people that use run on sentences where it's just one tongue around and around and around and around and around. You need to like have pressure points and stuff. And yeah, you need to get more passionate than less passionate. You're telling a whole sentence structure.
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Correct. But I know what you're referencing, Sam Kinison. So before we went to France, were we just like, mwah, mwah, mwah.
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So it's just like it's not just an endearment.
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That's like the one marathon that maybe I could enter. I'd still somehow get winded.
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Because the kiss on the cheek is very well known.
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Would it interest you to know we're not doing it yet, but My Feeling Friends also involves politics?
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We are like the French Kiss of podcasters. Like we're so far apart, but we might as well be.
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We might as well be up at each other's grills.
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It has a negative, it has a sexy connotation and a negative connotation. Okay.
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The negative one, I guess because it seems like you are almost, you're at the edge of losing control. of yourself, potentially, that love, lust is different than being attracted to someone, or someone being easy on the eyes, like lusting is like, it feels lecherous. And then it also feels very self serving. It doesn't feel like a love conversation or like a physical act enjoyed by both people.
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That might happen. But when you're lusting after someone, it's really about serving yourself. This is based on nothing and me just talking off the top of my head. But that's the kind of thing that I think of. It's very one directional about self. Yeah. And I bet it comes from based on our other two segments so far. I bet it's a sin because you're supposed to only lust after God.
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Or it's taking away your fervence for God and putting it somewhere else. That seems to be the pattern we've had so far.
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Where does lust come in? Because they got shamed because all of a sudden they realized that they were naked. Yeah. Is it saying that that would lead to lust? I don't remember lust. I mean, she tempted him into eating the apple and all of a sudden they're like, oops, we need to go to H&M. And then they got thrown out and the front door of the Garden of Eden was replaced by a flaming sword.
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But I don't think about lust in that.
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Because otherwise we were just walking around naming animals.
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Yeah. Taking out ribs, throwing Lilith in a cave.
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I know too much about the Bible and the biblical apocrypha. I got really into that in college.
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And by gender, you mean we are blaming Eve, right? And so it's like Eve is the one that caused the lust or was the lustful one got it. That was the reason for the downfall.
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Yeah, exactly. It's like overnighting from Amazon a how to survive the dystopian society kit. But you need it right away. Yeah. You need it with free shipping. How to make fire in your living room because there's no more power. There's no more. Right.
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Be excellent to each other and... Party on, dudes.
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Yeah. When can I, when can I, how can you overnight this self-fulfilling prophecy? Yeah.
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A fixed and immutable law, says your belly and gullet and ma, demands satisfaction and digestive action, so stuff what you can in your craw. Gluttony is an emotional escape, a sign that something is eating us.
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When novelist Peter DeVries shared that thought in 1961, one wonders if he was somehow able to predict the future of North American fast food, a place where new levels of culinary horror are offered every year in an attempt to redefine gluttony itself.
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It's hard to pin down exactly where to start clocking humanity constructing this tower of gobble, but 2010 shines as a banner year for both artery clogging and insane fast food creations. First advertised on April 1st and originally assumed to be a practical joke, KFC launched the Double Down, a heavily sauced bacon and cheese sandwich that used two pieces of fried chicken as the bun.
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Washington Post food critic Tom Saitsema reviewed it, saying, quote, There's nothing really enjoyable about eating this other than the fact that you accomplished it. It's sort of a poor man's Everest.
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Not to be outdone, later that year, Wendy's offered up their own barely digestible calorie mountain named the Quadruple Baconator, an update on their original Baconator, which was a sandwich sent back from the future to give the American people heart disease. It consisted of four quarter pound patties, 12 slices of bacon, mayonnaise and ketchup, and one would assume an insulin chaser.
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Speaking of food mountains, four years later, Arby's offered up its own towering creation, and their sandwich was actually called the Meat Mountain. The $13 sandwich was made up of turkey, ham, corned beef, brisket, Angus steak, roast beef, bacon, chicken tenders, Swiss cheese, and cheddar.
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Of course, the response to this food disaster piece was immediately negative, and the sandwich was quickly pulled from the menu. Just kidding. You can apparently still order the Meat Mountain today. And since 2017, you have the option of adding a fish fillet to the meat orgy in case you want the chance to eat all of God's creatures all at the same time.
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Speaking of creatures, this progression has continued in Dietary Creatures Great and Small. And what of little old KFC, the chain who arguably started it all with its fried chicken as buns science experiment?
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Seven years after introducing the Double Down, the chicken chain limped back into the ring with the Kentucky Fried Chicken and Donuts sandwich, this time putting the chicken in the middle and using two full-glazed donuts as the bun. It was an offering that would once have seemed outlandish, but was now just more fried food for the trough.
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Peter, we are seven eps in, and I think things are going both hunky and dory. How about you?
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Hunky and dory. That being said, I know I've been neglecting my duties so far this season, and it's high time I owned up to it. Pete, we are long overdue for a WTS slash ATF guided meditation. Are you ready?
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Ooh-wee! We got a humdinger today, Pete.
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It's been a long time, right? Yeah, do it. All right, everyone. You know the steps. Take off your shoes and socks. Close your eyes. Take a deep breath. And clear your mind. Envision yourself outside. The warm sunlight on your face. The cool grass on the soles of your feet. Because as usual in these meditations, you are barefoot.
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And as usual, you hear that same inexplicable construction site nearby. There's always a construction site nearby, but you're not heading over there right now. And you're relaxed and you're breathing in. And you remember something funny your wife said at dinner last night. And you smile and you're relaxed. And then you hear the construction workers in the distance chattering as they work.
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We're on the farm, and we're knee-deep in the trough.
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And then you think back to the dinner again and... Actually, did your wife seem exasperated with you? I mean, she was laughing, but was there an edge to it? And you're breathing and you see the construction workers look your way and you're relaxed. And all of a sudden the construction workers get a bit quieter. Are they talking about you? maybe about what you're wearing.
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You've worried that maybe the T-shirt you're wearing is too tight and that people think the same thing but are too afraid to tell you and you're relaxed. And you hear a bird chirping and wait, that's not a chirp. Is that bird laughing at you because of your T-shirt?
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Or does your hair look a little weird from the top, but it's hard for you to see because the angle, and everyone thinks so, but won't tell you when you're breathing. And now you're wondering if your wife told the construction workers how exasperated you are, and that's why they're still stealing glances your way.
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Because, well, we're back to the sin side. The last one we did, what did we just do? Chastity?
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And now you're having trouble stopping your thoughts as they rush in faster and faster, and you open your eyes, relaxed and refreshed. Wake up. Wait, that wasn't, that's what you do for hypnotism. This was just a guided, doesn't guided meditation end with, That's what they say.
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Yeah. For this episode, I would like to combine our current seasonal topic of gluttony with a throwback of sorts to our What's That Smell days, where we talked about individual anxieties we are going through.
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Because I am going through something, and it snuck up on me, and I don't know where it's coming from. I do not have an answer for this segment. I want to sort of work through it a little bit together in the hopes that either talking about it will help. You may have some insight. The lines are open if you want to call in. Just kidding.
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Mm-hmm. So you remember the second part of the definition that the robot read on top was having a great capacity for accepting or enduring something. Yeah. Okay. So gluttony. I have been, as I said, up top, I've been gorging myself on one thing for the last few weeks.
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And I'm not sure why the menu isn't changing. Pete, I cannot get enough of these construction sites. No. No, for once, it's not nachos. It's not ice cream sandwiches. I am gorging myself on negative thoughts that I'm imagining people are having about me. that has always been on the menu for me, but it has become so prevalent that something has shifted. And I don't know why.
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In other words, for the listener, I'm having negative fantasies and filling in conversational voids with negativity pointed my way from other people. Uh, and it's gotten really strong and really consistent. I have started, I've restarted calling them a day mares. It's not like, cause it's not daydreams. It's day mares. Um, May I give you a very quick for instance?
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That's wonderful. That's a good way to maybe start. Especially because you put the word narcissism in it. But no, that's true because the first thing that if someone said that to me, I, not narcissistic like you, you're actually being empathetic. What you're saying is, have I been, do you have me adding to this hypothetical made up problem? If so, I want to take myself off that list.
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You are not on this list at all.
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And like Bitcoin, I immediately forgot the password.
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That would be, yes. Well, they are because I can't use air conditioning in my dumb apartment while we record. But here is an example, and I'm not going to use really any proper nouns for the most part, but just in the past, let's say two weeks, I made a quick note of things. I convinced myself that I did a terrible job and a performance that I was actually really proud of.
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I was really proud of it. I did well. Later, I convinced myself I did a bad job. And then I went on to assume that the director of that show was disappointed in me, as was her husband, because her husband didn't particularly say, I loved you in this performance. So, of course, they are both talking about how I did a bad job and let the show down.
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And after another friend described she's going through some imposter syndrome for a class that she's going to be teaching, I wrote her some things that I've learned after my struggles with imposter syndrome and gave her just like a tip or two about how to try to get out of your own head, focusing on what you know. And she said she'd print it out and look at it every day. She was very thankful.
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And I felt great. And then I tore it apart, imagining that she was rolling her eyes and just saying that. So I'd stop trying to help. And as we talked about in the Feeling Friends cold open, I was recently on a family trip in Florida. And at one point, my uncle walked, I was staying with my uncle, my parents were staying in a hotel.
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And at the end of the night, my uncle walked them out to their rental car. And it took a little while for him to come back in. This is – anyways, I decided that they were – They must have been talking about you. Yeah, that they were talking about me and probably how much weight I've gained, even though I have not gained a bunch of weight. But that's where I decided. That's what it must have been.
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Yeah. It's coming at all times now, and I don't know why. And I want to talk it out because, again, I do believe this is a form of gluttony. I am force feeding myself with these daymares all the time. And it feels just real quick because you brought up narcissism.
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It also feels especially gluttonous and ironically greedy because even though it's negative press, it imagines a world where everyone is talking about me all the time.
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So there's no good side of this. I'm shining a spotlight on myself suffering from spotlight syndrome, but I'm in charge of the light.
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Something has really gotten through and I'm, I'm finding myself three sentences in to this daymare before I realize what I'm doing. When did it start? You remember when it started? I would like to say there's I tried as hard as I could to find a flashpoint. But it feels I've been really noticing it within the last like three to four weeks.
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That was one of them. Yeah. Yes, I performed. I was a closer in the show.
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And I felt I did a good job. And then I saw the video. Oh, okay. Yeah, I saw the video later. I forget that the video always seems a lot flatter than it felt like during the time. And then... I filled in the void, meaning people stopped talking about the show. It was like a week or two after the show. Oh, so no, let me make this about a month and a half. Then I'm starting to spread back.
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So like two weeks after the show, no one's talking about the show anymore other than words like this. But so I filled in all that silence with misremembering. If I'm rational, I can say misremembering glances, misremembering silence. And to the point that I actually apologized to the director and, And she said, I did. And she said, I said, I hope I didn't let you down.
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Interesting. I want to hear what you're so angry about. But wait, what are you angry about? What are we really talking about today?
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She says, I haven't watched the video, but the video is always so much flatter and everything. I remember being fun and exciting. Yeah. And I was like, okay, good. But, you know, text or text and you can reread them however you want.
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Just of that video in particular or just of that performance? You want to keep it detailed?
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No, but I've heard of it. It was like an MTV. It was on MTV here, right?
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Well, the answer is none. But irrationally, I think... There's two things going on. There's potentially... I didn't know it at the time, but there's potentially a poor me, poor me, give me compliments. Like I'm fishing. Right. Potentially. Or there's some sort of weird...
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I'm just – instead of saying the word irrational, irrational, irrational over and over again, know that like when I look at it, you said in the cold light of podcast day, when I look at it straight on, I'm able to realize the fallacies. But that's not what happens at night.
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Right. The – I think there's some sort of power or I think I'm protecting myself in saying I know. We both know but know that I know.
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That there's something about like – It's tough to, the more damaging part of it, the scariest part is people talking behind my back about things and me seemingly not knowing at all and being like, la, la, la, la, la, la. There's something worse about that. So it's almost like pointing out that I know, or at least bringing up the idea that I think is protecting me in some way.
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That if I assume people are disappointed in me, then it won't hurt as much if it turns out to be true. And it also won't make me seem naive and just sort of skipping through life when other people are feeling differently about how I'm living my life or my performance. None of that works or makes sense, but that feels right.
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Yes, that if it's happening behind my back, that I need... Yeah, that in such an uncontrollable situation, for me to at least envision the worst possible scenario, then that does give me some sort of weird... Feeling of control or feeling of agency. You're right. I said it would just be slower. But it only works.
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a great capacity for accepting or enduring something okay so yes i normally think about it as well because everything i do every morning i get up i watch seven david fincher's seven just over my morning uh constitutional yeah yeah um and i always think about it as gluttony being just um
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I just realized I used all the words you used as if I was coming up with them on my own.
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Right. And that's where I seem to have lost a bit of control. Yeah. I don't even notice. It's like background music. I don't notice that I'm doing it. And the real worry of that is I know myself enough that daymare will become truth. When I'm not looking, I will write down of that performance, well, you can't win them all.
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Instead of I've twisted something that was wonderful into something painful, but then I decided that was the truth. And that's not the truth. That sucks. So that's why I'm really glad. I mean, the first step is being aware that you were doing it. And I'm on all cylinders. I'm bringing it up in front of a podcast, in front of all of our listeners.
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That I'm going to figure it out myself, you mean?
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Right. Right. There has been no change in medication. But yeah, it almost feels like there was. I kind of wish there was. Right.
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Right, the animal, mineral, or vegetable of whatever's going on in my dumb face. Isn't that funny? Like, that's funny and horrible. And maybe it's just I... Took my eye. I mean, this is negative ideations. This kind of thing has been something that I used to truck in for a long time.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
Maybe I just took my eye off the ball a little bit and it crept back in that these things are always there, but I've learned how to control them, not to just deny them, but control them and see, I mean, I'm already doing better. As I said, I'm just going to repeat one thing. The biggest step so far is that I'm aware of it.
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um voracious eating and drinking but then yeah i mean if i'm caught up with a phrase of quick use glutton gluttony or gluttony in a phrase it's glutton for punishment and that doesn't have to do with eating or drinking at all no it really doesn't what's so interesting about this and you know how much i love cracking on the uh ancient religious scholars who penalized eating
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I've become aware of it. And now I'm putting the spotlight on it versus on this other thing. And then the other thing that I've been trying to do, you talk about trying to break out of it, is because it makes me uncomfortable, instead of just banishing the thought, skittering it away and thinking about something else, I look right at it and I just generally Occam's razor it.
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What is the more likely scenario? Yeah. that they're talking about what they're going to do tomorrow or when they want to meet for breakfast or that you've gained weight in Florida when everyone weighs too much and you haven't gained a bunch of weight. Like what? Yeah.
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I just, just to stop in the tracks and look at it and try to bring it out again into the light is something that I'm really trying to work on more and more. Yeah. Because yeah, I'm getting full. Yeah.
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Why? Oh. Why would you? Oh, no! Oh, my God, are those ants making fun of me? Do those ants know that they're not really scary?
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I got them all. If you're a new listener, I have an irrational phobia of ants, and Pete is what's known as the worst. Yeah. So yeah, it's something that I want to just keep an eye on, be very conscious of. I'll probably check back in later this season about it, just because it is something that is going on.
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I know it might be a little bit of a stretch to connect it to gluttony, but it is the thing that I have been most consistently and voraciously dealing with.
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I think I have one other way to potentially try and deal with it. And I wanted to try it by you just real quick. I'm going to fill those silences in with, I'm going to start talking so much crap behind everyone else's back. I am going to, after every single social engagement, I am going to write down all the dumb things they said, how tight their stupid shirt was.
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Then I'm going to go across the street to the construction workers and be like, get a load of this guy.
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What a jerk. Yeah, I'm going to fill the void with my own toxicity and no one will see it coming.
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Not to say, so I'm going to talk about you.
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It's going to be negative, but why don't you try to guess what it is while I go over here?
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And your nipples look exactly like something, but I'm not going to tell you what it is. And you're awake. This whole thing has been a guided meditation.
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This is we're going back to the good side. The Anakin side. Wait, Anakin. Was he good or bad?
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Oh, I don't remember. Was he Luke Skywalker?
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Oh, he was Darth Vader. Did I just ask if Anakin was Luke Skywalker?
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Well, some would say I didn't do my due diligence about Star Trek or whatever we were just talking about. Yes, everyone's going insane. Yes, we are talking about the heavenly virtue of diligence. which seems exciting and seems less gross than this week's topic. Diligence, just one step ahead of the other.
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So I look forward to talking about that. Until then, I am Tommy Mess III.
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Only my only guess would be and I'm just thinking about this for the first time is that it's taking more of your share. So it's robbing it from people that might need it. And so it's wasteful, but it also has potential effects on those around you. You're taking out of the mouths of babes. Sorry.
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a twist to it right it is an appreciation of indulgence in food indulgence in amount or indulgence in like how fancy it is because i think of gourmet not as like overeating but definitely you know taking all the best parts of everything and putting them all together
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
Well, how do you separate gluttony from greed then? Because those are two different things.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
you know generations ago that it's a bad thing but when you stop and and look at it maybe it's is it a bad thing in and of itself uh should we change the way we look at it uh i don't know one thing that i just shooting from the hip that i separate greed and i don't think this is even if you look at the definitions i don't know if this checks out but greed seems more like hoarding like i want all of that and i'm going to keep it in my back room gluttony is i want all that i'm going to consume it
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
Like gluttony seems like more of a use of something, for better or for worse, whereas greed is just being sort of a miser.
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What's up, most excellent friends?
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Yeah. Well, and there's there's so many more now that you're bringing it up that way and opening it back up to capitalism. There's so many byproducts of a gluttonous system where we have, you know, even just like single use plastics and everything is wrapped in this tiny little wrapper.
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And then it all goes to a landfill and then it all affects future generations that it's not just I'm really full. I ate too much pie. Instead, it's I ate too much pie and I'm blocking out the sun with my horrible, with the ramifications of me doing so many single serves, so many, don't think about the future, just think about the future. Yeah.
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Well, we're going to talk about it. During my – I have been gorging on one thing in particular, and I'm not exactly sure why, and it's not what you think. Is that a BuzzFeed title? Yeah. And number eight will surprise you. No, I just assumed you were thinking ice cream sandwiches. For once, it's not ice cream sandwiches. Oh, you know what I haven't had in a long time? Ice cream sandwiches.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
I got to write that down. But no, like when I get a hankering for something, let's say just food or drink, I never want like nine of them. That's the kind of thing I think I always assumed. I think I was such an aspirational glutton as so many people are when they were a kid.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
Because when you're a kid and you don't have any money and you don't have any agency, you're like, when I grow up, I'm going to have all of the Skittles, every single Skittle, and I'm going to melt them all into one enormous Skittle and then like eat my way in and then eat my way out. And now I'm like, Yeah, I have like three Skittles when I walk Foster. That's enough.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
You know what hurts? Citric acid. Like, I love tartness. And after a while, it's like eating a syringe. Like, why am I doing this? It's just prickly. That's not fun. That's evolution's way of keeping us alive. Yeah. It keeps us alive because it wants us to get older, to experience all these things. And then by the time we're alive, we're like, oh, right. A lot of joy is dead. So I'm not going to.
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Make the world's biggest skittle instead. I'm probably going to have like a salad.
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And yeah, and the market has rewarded us. I mean, Amazon. The idea of getting whatever you want a day after you order it, that's insane.
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But it became sane really quick. And now if you order something and it shows up two days later, Amazon's like, I'm so sorry.
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What are you talking about? Sorry. Exactly. Oh my God.
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Oh, sure. Right. And it becomes normalized. And so therefore any deviation from that, it's yeah, we, the, we have the elephant, we have the elephant, we have the memory, right? What of a fruit fly? Where did elephant? Oh, because elephants have really big memories. Elephants have great memories. Yeah.
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So like an elephant fruit fly, we have extremely ephemeral memories when something new, when we level up, all of a sudden that becomes like the floor again. Yeah. And we don't spend a lot of time being like, wow, remember when instead of why not even, why not even faster? Why not even faster?
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Because Daniel Plainview is just acquiring to acquire. And at the risk, I mean, he loses his family. He loses all friends. And at the very end, he just commits murder in a bowling alley and then goes, I'm finished. That's an incredible, that's someone who is completely leaking. and doesn't have anything to fill up his life with, right?
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Because it keeps not solving the problem.
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yes i took a class in college it was called on death and dying it was a real retreat of uh of a class and all we talked a lot about how the accumulation of wealth of art is just a denial of death that you're trying to have some sort of a legacy that look if i own this if i have this then somehow i am going to live on for forever
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Right. You know what? Do you feel does it make any difference of the fact that you legitimately like the phone and like using all of the knobs that you're not just putting it on a shelf, you will actively use it and use the heck out of it. Like you're such a tech and device guy. Does that give it more worth to you? Does that help placate your or no? Because it's still a thing.
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And I don't just better. I mean, that does feel like not a rationalization that feels like a justification in effect. Okay.
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Yes. I, well, yes, it was important to, There's no real reason for these two bookcases to be where they are behind me. One is filled with DVDs and Blu-rays. One is filled with books and plays and things that I've read.
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And therefore, like, yeah, I mean, part of me, if I could, wishes I could somehow take all the books that I've read on my Kindle and have those on display too. because i've read an enormous amount but some people will walk in here and think i've only read like 20 books but my kingdom is heavy that wasn't my original plan speaking of greed was every time i bought a new book i'd get a new kindle
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I was just thinking about that. And then I just have stacks of Kindles in case I want to reread something. So no, that's sort of a greed and effect of needing, I don't need these physical copies of things, but I'm greedy for them because then they are a symbol of something for me.
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You go first.
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for this apartment that no one comes over to why am i trying to impress my dog like i haven't had a ton of i haven't had a dinner party since the pandemic why because everyone lives in nicer places than mine if you work at the french laundry you don't meet friends at denny's like what am i doing here
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So maybe it's that maybe there's some sort of greed of like, I want these physical copies because they represent something. I don't know. I'm not sure.
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But then I, but then I watched them all. Yeah. I guess the greedy part would be if I just put them on the shelf and was like, look, see, I have this. Look at all of my stuff. But I rewatch things constantly. Yeah. I don't know. I'm worried that greed is like a real backdoor Sally for me. Like, I'm very greedy about something and I don't know what it is.
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Charles Bianchi was never a patient man. He always knew he wanted to get rich and get rich quick. It was this greedy impatience that ultimately led to his downfall and his lasting legacy. Born in Italy in 1882, Charles traveled to America at 21 years old to find his fortune. Tellingly, he arrived in the new country with only $2.50 to his name, having gambled the rest of his money during the trip.
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Once in America, he went through a staggering amount of odd jobs in multiple cities. He was a waiter, a grocery clerk, a dishwasher. He repaired sewing machines and sold insurance. None of these jobs lasted long for his greed always got the best of him. And he was continually caught cheating customers or stealing from his employers and was fired for his transgressions.
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Then he stumbled on his own personal gold mine in the form of a coupon. an international reply coupon, in fact. Back in those days, an IRC was a type of voucher accepted in different countries that could be exchanged for local postage stamps. Bianchi realized that he could make a profit by buying international reply coupons in his home country of Italy and sell them for a profit in the U.S.
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Yeah, this is 9-11. This is the 9-1-1 episode, and you can tell that we're coming to the end of the season. We still have not figured out how to start every episode of this podcast.
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due to differing exchange rates. And with that, Charles Bianchi had found his meal ticket. But once again, remember, he didn't want to be rich. He wanted to be rich quick. greed took over. In order to purchase IRC is at scale, he began taking in money from investors huge sums of money over $220 million in today's economy.
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And he would pay off old investors with money from new investors in effect robbing Peter to pay Paul as it were the original and legal
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IRC investment plan that could have made him rich was largely forgotten as he raced to gather more more money faster and faster of course the scheme eventually fell apart as once he ran out of new investors to build it was revealed that there was no there there just a scheme that left his investors wiped out
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And it was this scheme where Charles found his ultimate legacy, not in fortune, but in fame. As you have almost certainly surmised by now, Charles Bianchi was just one of the many aliases he used after arriving in the United States. His birth name was Carlo Pietro Ponzi.
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become a feeling friend today that's one scheme that you just can't lose now back to the show peter here's a story that may or may not relate to anything that comes after it but it has to do with greed this took place in around this would have been fifth or sixth grade and we were out i was out with friends and we were trick-or-treating And we were going down the block trick-or-treating.
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Do people still trick-or-treat? I feel like now people all go to like a mall.
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I would like to file a formal complaint that we should not be mixing children and car trunks. We are. That's the opposite of stranger danger. It wasn't my idea. You know what's in car trucks? Surprises. Get in there. Okay. Anyway, I digress. This one year, this one year, I remember there was like three houses in a row and they were not there. But they had put out a big bowl.
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and a sign saying... Oh, the people weren't there. Oh, the people were not there. My apologies. The cars were gone, trunks were closed, and they were just big bowls, and there were signs saying, please take just one, you know, for trick-or-treaters, we'll see you next year, or whatever. And all the bowls were empty. And then we went to a fourth one, and there was one more. This is down the block.
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And one of my friends, who will remain nameless, there was a good amount of candy in there... And they took all of it. This is one of your friends. One of my friends. Yes. They took all of it. And they were like, haha, suckers. And I've never really forgotten that. Because I didn't I didn't was sort of my realization of Oh, is that what's happening in all of these houses?
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There's one person taking everything. And I remember feeling weird of, why didn't you learn? We were disappointed the three houses in a row didn't have any candy. And so then the response is to cause the same problem for everybody else. I've never been able to get that out of my head.
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Right. And I think I had a big – maybe that's when I became a social justice warrior. I don't know. I was just like, no.
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And it made me think of something in science. And I'm going to ask you to tell me what you know about it. Because this is an interactive format. The marshmallow test. What do you know about the marshmallow test? Because I believe it is comparative. And I do think that this all has to do with greed. I know that the marshmallow test, spoiler alert, has to do with gratification delaying.
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But that still greed is at the heart of it, I would like to think.
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Walter Mischel and then graduate student, Ebby Ebbison in the early 70s. So, there you go.
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Correct. Yes. Because, well, should we give up the ghost? I guess everyone that has a podcast knows what we're talking about today.
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100% close. There's one big factor that you maybe overlooked that I think is important is it was for children. Yes. It was not for people. This was for children. Yeah. And yes, there was all sorts of different things. Sometimes the certain kids would not look at it and they would do better. Some would, would have to stare at it and they would do worse.
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And all of that was very interesting about pleasure gratification, the delay gratification. Um, And then things got a little crazy because the doctors started saying that there was real ramifications, that the marshmallow test had been proven. They went and found these kids later, and there was a positive correlation for higher SAT scores.
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and healthier BMI, body mass index, that there were whole changes in their brain, that people, there was a real craze for a while about how if you gave your kid the marshmallow test at home, you could see how they were going to do because people that didn't eat the marshmallows and waited for more marshmallows then did so much better in life. Had you heard that part?
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Yeah, because everyone started doing it.
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Well, I'm not exactly sure where I'm going with this, but I wanted to point something out is in 2018, that all fell apart. For decades, we have been espousing this and regurgitating this whole stance because of something called replication crisis that is going on in psychology and has been going on for a long time is instead of just taking it as truth, you redo it. And it doesn't work.
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It never works. They've tried with tons of different kids doing the marshmallow test, and there is no correlation about later adult behavior. And even Mischel, one of the guys that co-authored the original study, came out and later said in 2018 that it revealed nothing about adult behavior when looking at outcomes like capital formation, social standing, or intelligence.
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Yeah. Today we are talking about greed. Greed.
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So it just sort of all falls apart. Except there is something there. There is something there involving greed and wanting something right away versus waiting for it. And this is where science rebounded. Do you want to hear this part? Of course. The marshmallow test was thrown out, and then it came back because they started studying pizza. They started studying pizza. You've read the study? No.
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greed noun a selfish and excessive desire for more of something such as money than is needed last episode you said next to lust this might be the one that gets us canceled why did you say that are you worried that we're going to out ourselves as horrible greensters yeah yeah i'm worried about that because it's all the pornography that we collect oh no pete
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The idea is they started looking at the other pressures, the other things that were going on around the kids, that they were using the kids originally as these blank slates, these tabula rasa that then either ate a marshmallow or didn't. They started using things, and this is why I wanted to compare it to Halloween.
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One of the kids, like the kids that were my friends, he took all of the candy, right? When I would have learned, I thought, and would have just taken one. Do you think maybe he did that because the situation was deemed untrustworthy?
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In the first three houses. There was now a potential scarcity of candy. There was worry set into motion because there was no candy, no candy, no candy. Then you have the chance for candy. You grab it. You take more than you need. it's a hundred percent toilet paper during the pandemic. When I famously was like, I'm not going to hoard. And America said, thanks. And I wiped my ass with bath towels.
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That's gross. That's not true. I mean, they weren't my towel. Um, Because what they did when they reset up the new, new, new marshmallow test is they had preschoolers, they would have the experimenters lie or misbehave with another adult in front of them. So the adults are breaking the rules.
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And then when that happened, they would leave the room across the board. Those preschoolers would grab it. They would grab the marshmallow right away because they no longer trusted that the promise you made to give me more marshmallows because I've already seen you break rules. It seems like greed, but it's not. So it wasn't driven by like a lack of self-control.
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It was this person isn't trusted and I should cut my losses.
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It's kind of interesting. I know it's greed adjacent, but there's ways of looking at greedy behavior and seeing it as something else. In the way that I was trying to reposition or take your rationalization and make it a justification for your phone, you are using the entire buffalo.
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If you were just taking it, putting it on a shelf, or just showing people it and not really using it, if I just owned all these movies and never watched them again and just stacked them up, that's different. But I think the idea of that it's not a lack of control, that maybe grabbing these immediate rewards sometimes is more...
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Would it, though, in the marshmallow situation? Because the marshmallow definitely would in the Halloween candy one. Yes. That person did not learn any empathy. It's like they wanted to inflict what they felt on the first three houses to everyone else.
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I think... In like the Halloween example, or like you were saying, what are the tools that you use to try to, if you feel like you're getting greedy, is try to see what's really going on. Like when I really, really, really want something, a lot of times it's because it's just, it's like heightened attention. Yeah. Like someone has pointed it out. Like I'm never hungrier.
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then the minute I have to start fasting for a colonoscopy. And it's like, I'm not hungry. I can't be hungry. But as soon as you say you can't have anything but broth, all I can think about is nachos.
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And it's like, I wasn't thinking about nachos five minutes ago, but it's the perceived scarcity and it's psychological reactance is what that's also called is you don't like being to be told what you can and can't do. And so you immediately take the something and, you know, a really amplify its importance or your fair need for it. Okay.
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I have a theory that I just thought of just now, so I don't know how great it is. So it's well studied.
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Yes. So do not. So like get Wikipedia on the phone and just start typing. Right now. Okay. I think part of that comes from, especially in the idea of, let's say, Bonfire of the Vanities or Wall Street. These type of jobs can, for a lot of people, what they're hiding or what's being missed is actually creating something.
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having something and making it different in there's the golden little crumbs speech in bonfire, the vanities where she's like, do you make things? And the, the wife who is mad that the main guy is like, Oh no, they just take, they don't make anything. They just move things around.
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Like think of the, think of the economy as a giant cake and they just, they take it and they move it over here and move it over here. And then little crumbs fall down and you just take those little crumbs and just picture daddy running around, scooping up all the little crumbs he can find. It's incredibly emasculating. And the character, it's like a real, it's, it's actually, it's so important.
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They put it in the movie and that movie gets everything about the book wrong. And so I wonder if part of it that the whole is, I can't look and see what I've done. Therefore, I need to take as much as I can to prove that I am a person, that I really have. What did you do today? Look at my watch. It's that kind of response. I moved a bunch of figures around.
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I don't know what I'm talking about, so I apologize. I'm not saying lives or work in finance is a problem at all. I'm just saying that it seems like Painting a house, you can drive by that house and go, look what I did. You can't do that on a balance sheet as easily.
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It was built from the ground up. That's capitalism at its grossest.
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50,000?
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Thank you all so much for joining us for this episode. Boy, we're coming. We are hurtling towards the end of this season. We got one more. We got one more, Pete. One more, and it's a twofer. And it's a twofer. Real quick, this week's tune is Fancy by June Bloom. And what is coming up next week, Pete?
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Exactly. What we're going to do is we're going to put one podcast episode in front of you. And if you wait to listen to it, you can have another episode of this dumb podcast. If you listen to it right away, that's all you get. You don't get the next part. Yes. Cliffhanger. Yes, exactly right.
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So it's like, oh, I see a motive. Like, I'm greedy. Therefore, I am. So I want to go out and get mine and get yours.
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Are you saying the greed is, for lack of a better word, good? Are you saying the greed works?
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I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them.
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I feel like working really hard for something isn't aligned with greed as much in my head. That seems like a reward, like a just reward for working really hard. Greed is getting way more than you ever need, and I think that there's something that you haven't worked totally hard for. At some point, greed means you are being outpaid for what you did or accomplished or need. Talk more about that.
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That's really interesting. I think that that's – I mean if you work really, really, really hard and you get rewarded for it, that seems like a good plan. That is the American dream in effect. If you work – but that's like – but then the gross part of that is like CEOs getting 600 times what their employees get. Which is –
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And like golden parachutes, all of that, where the, I mean, the leader of Warner brothers right now is leading a masterclass in how not to run all of these things. And he's making so much money. There's no real reciprocal. I do this. Therefore I am rewarded or cheated as a result. So I don't know. I think that the working really hard, that's a good sign.
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It's the unwarranted rewards is what I think of for green.
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Well, I want to back up on that. Wait, I have to say this thing about camels. What is it? Oh, okay. Okay, it's Luke 1825. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom.
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It's always that, right? Instead of looking at God, we're looking at our bathtub of money.
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Right.
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Because it is like you're if you're a contributing part of society, usually that has to do with money at some point or the exchange of goods.
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These were your vows, right?
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But you rationalized it. You gave me a list of all the things you don't do. But see, I don't think – is that greedy? Because it's not selfish and excessive for all the reasons that you just said.
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How dare you? Oh my goodness. Um, Well, I don't think it's, I don't know, because it's not like I was going to buy that DVD or give my money to an orphan. Like, I think I'm allowed to have these things.
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I am glad. I mean, I do have a new rule where if I ever get another physical DVD, I have to get rid of one. I have to donate one because at one point my DVD collection got excessive. So I guess that is greedy and it is physical. I get that.
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I recently had, because you were talking about your capitalism footprint or whatever, I had that experience that I'd never personally had, but I'd heard a bunch. I don't think it's greed, but it's the fact that America or certain companies, like I'm going to name check Amazon, seem to want you to be greedy. Like the access to greed has become so easy that I bought a Rubbermaid thermos.
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And they sent it to me and it was the wrong size. And I wrote them and I said, this is the wrong size. And they went, keep it. In the process of how do I return this? Should I bring it to Whole Foods? They're like, whatever, just throw it in your yard. That kind of, that feels excessive. That feels like that living in a world like that leads to greed just becomes the norm.
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Like you're talking about. I mean, innovation leads to, Amazon is an incredible, incredible company that is also the end of the world if taken out further enough exponentially. So I think it's hard to not – I don't know – I'm going to finish one of these sentences. Which one should I finish?
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It's because I don't know where I'm going. I guess what I'm saying is there's a good chance that I am greedier than I think I am. And I don't know it because of normal life and the trappings of normal life hide greed as something else. They hide greed as ease or access to. Yeah. So it doesn't feel greedy because I didn't have to do anything for it.
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That's exactly how I was defining greed when we were talking earlier. Okay. This is all staying in. Okay.
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There's a hole in you. And you're just trying to fill it up.
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That reminds me of a movie that I just rewatched for the 9,000th time. And I just now realized, oh, it can just be a complete study of greed in personification. Is it Wall Street? I just figured it out. Hey, I think this movie might be about green to a certain extent, like the dumbest guy in the world. No, there will be blood. Paul Thomas Anderson's There Will Be Blood.
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I'm going to do that for real. Women will thank me.
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You unknowingly have given us a perfect segue into my next story. Peter. I can't wait to share. Are you ready?
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We are certainly not ones to kink-shame here at All The Feelings HQ. Anything but. In fact, we think you'll find we're far more kink-celebrant than shamers. But every now and again, a kink-adjacent story crops up that allows us to perform the right and good duty of tech-shaming, right where it counts. And today, I bring you a real leg-crosser.
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This is the tale of the Cellmate Chastity Cage, a high-tech device that allows you to put your love under lock and key. That's right, it's a male chastity device. Here's how it works. You put your... device inside this device, and then you place a hardened steel clamp on the underside. This sticks behind your testicles, firmly locking in place and making the lock nigh impossible to remove.
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It's good that we know everybody on the call. I may have come in hard-edged on podcast, on Chastity in the beginning of the show. You remember. It was a few minutes ago. Yeah. But I still agree with myself then. I think Chastity is ridiculous. That's not saying that the ideas behind it have some utility.
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But historically, chastity, I mean, you already talked about the chastity as it relates to men and women control over wives while the men are away fighting the war. You might be surprised to learn that the church has some opinions on chastity as well.
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They do indeed. Okay. It turns out that in early Christian thought, chastity was highly valued and associated with spiritual purity. Sure. When you're praying, do you find that you're non-aroused? Yes. Okay, good. That's right, because they're always watching. During the Middle Ages, chastity was particularly emphasized for clergy and nuns through vows of celibacy.
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Now, in the spirit of everything we just talked about about chastity belts, it starts to ring a little bit harsh that the church is now exuding essentially the emotional chastity belt control over its legions through these vows of celibacy. Okay. which I find unpalatable. In the early modern period, chastity becomes a powerful political religious concept.
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So here we are, politics has gotten involved, and now we have something else to hate people about. Elizabeth I, I mentioned earlier, the Virgin Queen was central to English Protestant identity. Right. This became a thing that was central to how they viewed themselves.
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Purity equals goodness equals I should just, you know, keep it in my pants because that's not because I don't want my spiritual reputation to be sullied.
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That's a really interesting question, right? The relationship of chastity to health. And, you know, in pre-Enlightenment periods, like pre-Enlightenment art and medicine, women were, well, I should say, in medicine writ large until very recently, women were considered frail and prone to illness, right? Like due specifically to their anatomy, right?
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And so, you know, their lives were thought to be endangered by a lack of chastity.
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Because hygiene was rough, whether you put a belt on it or not. Yeah. We've talked in this show now years ago about hysteria. Do you remember? Because it was your segment.
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And you'll be shocked to hear that that connection was also linked to a lack of chastity, right? That women who come in hysterical, one of the early questions they ask is, you know, are you chaste?
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Have you been in the champagne room? Exactly. And this opinion dates back to the Egyptians.
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And of course, in the early 20th century, prostitution and venereal diseases were directly linked.
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Yep, that's it. And it was part of social reformation, right? That if we are chaste, we can stamp out disease. But the big dog in this particular fight is moral and physical purity, that the idea of chastity is... conflated too often with physical cleanliness and health.
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And in the late 1800s, you end up with this increased focus on personal hygiene and the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, which is good, and also that The church is levying these, you know, the control mechanisms of being chaste also leads to purity before God. Right. I don't care much for that. I mean, I care for the health. This is the thing, right?
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Don't you feel like it's hard to have a conversation about chastity in this year, like of our times? I find like if we're going to have a discussion about, around sex and celibacy, that discussion should not be aligned anymore with dogma. Is that a fair conversation point?
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Right. And I feel like any discussion that makes people feel bad about themselves is the wrong discussion to have. Like to say that your sexual feelings are, you know, not moral feelings and that makes you a not good person. You need to strive to have better feelings, cleaner feelings. Then that's not, that doesn't feel like the way to enable people
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um you know young people and old people to feel good about themselves their bodies their relationships with each other sure so that's that's a thing i struggle with and who do you think of when you think of somebody who's just really nailed the right reason to not have sex
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I think this is the thing about chastity. We're going to talk about it. I feel like chastity is listed technically as heavenly virtue, as it is written, right? And I think it should be the eighth deadly sin. What? That's right. I'm such a horned dog. I think it should be a sin. You can't stand it. Yeah, I can't stand it.
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I'll just say that you don't have to put out the red light. Sting. Sting. Don't you think? There's a guy who knows why not to have sex, and that is because of Tantra. And so I decided to go down a little bit of a sidebar on what's Tantra all about anyway?
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Yeah, right. So tantra relates to different approaches to sexual energy, right? So when you look at tantra and chastity, they both involve the management of sexual energy in different ways. So tantra practices on focusing and harnessing and redirecting sexual energy for spiritual purposes, largely. It's another spiritual practice. Oh.
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While chastity involves taking that spiritual energy and swallowing it, right? Stamping it down. Stamping it down, right? And abstaining from activity or sexual release, orgasm, that kind of a thing, right?
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Exactly. Tantra has this aim toward physicals and psychosocial and spiritual growth and enlightenment. That's the idea. And These practices, according to Sting, seeks to unite the physical and the spiritual aspects of being. And chastity, again, especially in religious contexts, aimed for cleanliness and purity. Cleansing all of those feelings and not having a relationship with it.
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Now, this is where Sting is a role model for all. Some tantric practices involve delaying or avoiding orgasm to cultivate, to harness sexual energy. And that can go for days and days and days. If I take a vacation for a week and you just don't hear from me, there's a non-zero chance I'm trying something new.
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So I think this is really fascinating because the ultimate goal of or not, I'm not going to say goal because I'm not a practicing tantric experientialist. It seems to it seems to me that one of the outcomes of tantric experience is a more enthusiastic experience.
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orgasmic experience right you restrain for so long that it's just a much bigger sort of right holistic experience and chastity again does not says you're not leading to the big finale there is no finale because there was no show because the show is yes got it the show was canceled yeah exactly right
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Tantra is, you know, the thing that's misunderstood about Tantra is that it's not always just about sexual practices, apparently. The reputation from Sting is that, you know, because we get into the pop culture headlines of Sting does this thing. And that was my memory of him in the 90s.
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That's what they never called me.
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No, that's totally it. So it's largely misunderstood. And I think by the same token, chastity, when you take it out of the spiritual context, out of the religious context, it does not have to be about complete abstinence, right? It's a really nuanced approach to sexuality and spirituality. And I think that's the important thing that gets lost.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
that everything just becomes black and white when you talk about chastity. You do or you do not. And if you don't, you are better. And if you do, right, and smarter. And the other piece of this is that there are many people out there writing about the idea of the death of chastity and what that does to our relationships, right? That there is this spectrum of
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Yeah, let's see what Robot has to say.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
There's childishness on one side, that if you are chaste, you are childish or childlike, right? And on the other side, there is hookup sex, right? That it is, you're the opposite of chaste. You're just hooking up for the immediate gratification.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Yeah. Exactly. And there are many mental health professionals out there who are writing and sex experts who are saying, look, maybe if you slow down a little bit and you build stronger emotional relationships under the guise of or the definition of chastity, right, be more chaste for a while, you will have better, more sort of soul-fulfilling sex when you do. And that's the takeaway, right?
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
But it's that's not related to dogma. Right. That's related to emotional well-being and mental health. Right. And I think that's the important part that this term that, you know, Ron are Ron Rollheiser writes this this term about it. He says, there's a certain ennui and fatigue and an ultra sophistication that believes all taboos may be broken.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
And there's a vibrancy and happiness that's felt in keeping your shoes off before the burning bush. Note in every one of these dualisms, chastity speaks for soul, for wisdom, for respect, and for happiness. A generation earlier, a renowned educator, Alan Bloom, writing out of a purely secular perspective, came to this conclusion.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Looking at the bright, very sophisticated young students he was teaching, he concluded that the very unbridled sophistication they so prided themselves in, which he termed the absence of chastity in their lives, had this effect on their lives. It left them erotically lame. Oh!
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Yeah. Yeah. That, that you, that they, young people who engage in and don't have an understanding of, of, you know, a healthy relationship with sexuality and partners, you know, end up being sort of erotically exhausted and they become unable to, to do it with any fulfilling intentions.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
You know, it's funny. As a parent, it's interesting. You get these choices that you get to make about how you talk about sex with your kids. And, you know, I know that that conversation is mixed with, you know, all of the signals that they're getting from everywhere else. Right. That, you know, school and teachers and peers and all of that.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
But ultimately, I heard once that I've often repeated it to my kids that sex is fantastic. And it is the very best thing that you can do with your body with a partner that you know, as you mature, because it gives you all the fun and all of the dopamine and the release. And It's not drugs or alcohol.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
I'd vastly prefer my kids explore their young adult lives sexually than through substance abuse because before their brains are developed, there's just more of a likelihood of addiction and making bad decisions. And so teaching them not just that it's okay to have these feelings and
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
But to do it healthily and with consent and like those are the guidelines to talk about, not don't do it because you're not a good person if you do.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Right. If you feel strong about doing it, do it right. Do it respectfully. Yeah. Respectfully. So I don't know. That's me. I don't know. Does this give you any new material for your bit for a tight 10 on sex?
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
No. And you know what? Like it goes back to, I feel like you brought up purity rings and I don't want it to seem like making a vow of purity is, or of chastity is, is the bad thing. It might be the right thing for you and your relationship.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
That's it.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Then you wouldn't want to have sex all day.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
I'm happy on my own. Making coffee just for one.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Unless you're a glutton for Chastity.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
I can't get enough of not doing stuff.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
I'm happy on my own At least most of the time I guess some of the time Maybe none of the time I'm happy Happy on my own
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Sex on the table?
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
OK, well, I know you want to talk about a specific I would let's call it an artifact of chastity.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Outstanding.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
What was it? Was it History of the World? What was the Mel Brooks movie where she lifts? Was it Men in Tights? And she has a massive chastity belt and a huge padlock on under her bloomers.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Yeah. So I that is I mean, the extent of my knowledge of chastity belts is lampooning them.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
So I don't really know what they what they are. I assume the church made them. That's what I always assume.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
The point of them was to prevent people from having sex because I think it was like back in the days of Elizabeth I was like the virgin queen, right? Like that was because it was putting purity above all else. And sex was what? A rageful distraction and an immoral distraction from pure living? Cool. Okay.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
So the chastity belt was included. It was essentially militarizing abstinence.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Okay, you told me last night, you said, do not look this up. I say now, I am so glad I did not look this up. That is fantastic.
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It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
And that is the shirt. Women, the tub thumpers of history.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
I would love if you were somehow able to do this, really zoom in, like get smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, like more and more close, close, close of Maine. It's Maine, and then this part of Maine, and then this section of Maine, and then this neighborhood of Maine, and then it's Dave. And Dave was such an ass when he drank.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
The ramifications ended up taking down Maine and then the United States. And it was just this one guy who was always such a jerk.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
yeah he'd say what is this because it was so old like we didn't know what things were he invented the first sharpie it was terrible dave
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Just on their horses.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
We're tying the two back together. And yes, of course, male.
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Thank Dave. Use the write-in. You're not voting for Dave, but just give a little tip of the hat to old drunky Dave with his fiddle. We're hauling it together.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
I'm, no, I'm very restrained, actually. Along the lines of temperance. Yeah, I'm feeling very restrained. I'm modification. I'm feeling very weird. Yeah, exactly. All of those things. Temperance. This was an interesting one. I didn't see this one coming down the pike. And again, I was there when we came up with this idea.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Welcome back to Temper Temper, the only game show that tests your knowledge of the temperance movement and the United States prohibition. Let's get to know today's contestant, Pete. Pete, it says here you used to have a beard and have a potato that doubles as a taser. In basic overall terms, what do you know about the prohibition?
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Exactly right. From 1920 to 1933, we've already talked about the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act. Now we have four or five, we'll see how you do, true or false questions to see temper temper what you know. About the prohibition. Are you ready, Pete? I'm ready, Tom. True or false? Prohibition made it illegal to consume alcohol.
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Not one of the answers. True or false? False. Correct. The 18th Amendment actually just banned the manufacture, transportation, and sale of intoxicants. Correct. Any hooch you had stored away before 1920 was totally legal, and you could enjoy it to your drunk heart's content in the privacy of your own home. Yeah.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
In fact, some avid spirit hounds bought out entire liquor stores before the hammer dropped and stored the liquor in large cellars built under their houses, and it was all legal. Correct.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
that sounds particularly american we did the same thing with toilet paper in 2020. exactly right yes and of course i was like well i'm not going to hoard liquor and then it was all gone and i was like well i guess i'll wipe my ass with this bourbon bottle thank god prohibition was repealed yeah Pete, are you ready for question number two? I am. All right. True or false?
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Prohibition led to unity among different races and a surprising decrease in xenophobia due to common feelings against the 18th Amendment.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
False. America becoming less xenophobic. That's adorable, Pete. In addition to vilifying black cultures for their supposed love of the sauce, World War I allowed politicians to paint America's largely German brewing industry as a threat. One pro-temperance person said, was quoted as saying, quote, we have German enemies in this country too.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
And the worst of all of our German enemies, the most treacherous, the most menacing, are Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller. End quote. An actual quote. Politics is stupid. All right. Are you ready for number three? So far, you're one to one. Okay. True or false.
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Arguably, the population most affected by prohibition were the politicians themselves who were forced to model temperance behavior for the general public. There's no way that's true.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
100% false. You are right. Adorably, Congress had its very own bootlegger. You can look him up. His name was George L. Cassidy, and he was known as the man in the green hat because when he was arrested once, he was wearing a green hat on his head while making his rounds. He would make up to 25 deliveries of illegal booze to members of Congress a day. all under the nose of the Capitol Police.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
He later wrote that he helped over 80% of Congress break prohibition law. That is, if we need a new spirit animal for this podcast, it's George L. Cassidy, the man in the green hat. It's a green hat, yeah. Last one. So far, you're doing great. Here we go. True or false? In addition to liquor brewers, the wine industry was decimated by the 18th Amendment.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
No, actually, there was a loophole for medicine, that you could get alcohol medicine. I did not include that question, but you're right. That was the loophole, was you could get alcohol prescribed.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Correct. False. And avid listeners will learn that every answer was false this entire game show. You know what winemakers did? They almost immediately started selling chunks of grape concentrate called wine bricks.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
You can see a picture of a wine brick on the internet and they came with a snarky warning on the rectangular package that said, quote, after dissolving the brick in a gallon of water, do not place the liquid in a jug away in the cupboard for 20 days because then it will turn into wine. End quote. They were barely hiding. And winemakers did fine because they were just selling fruit, buddy.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
That's very exciting, and I bet Thanksgiving sucked.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Is that the deal? They don't make that connection in everything that I read. No one ever said, hey, green is the color that my drunk lady wore. Yeah, no, they don't ever say that. That seems to be a coincidence.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Hop, hop, hop, hop rooms. Like it'll be something like, hey, baby, meet me down at the hop, hop. Okay, I'm done.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
I actually know the answer to this question. It is the only amendment that was erased, taken back.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
yeah well you've really ruined things for him and what an argument against like originalism constitutionalism the idea of the constitution is set in stone like we did when all the founding fathers if they were here today they'd be like ah what's that what's that what's that what's that what's that yeah that's my impression of all the founding fathers
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This has been Temper Temper. We'll see you next time.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Well, this and Sloth. I was looking in of like, why are we starting with Sloth? Even when I said, let's start with Sloth, I was like, why are we doing this? And this has been an enlightening podcast for everybody. Everyone's talking about it. I actually heard from our listener.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Literally no idea. I forgot to look it up.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Greed. Ooh, I know it's good. Greed works. Is it? I heard somebody say that once. He's very, very, very handsome. Oh, so handsome.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Is that what we're aiming for?
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Yeah, I'm excited about that one. Excellent. Until then, I'm Pete Wright. I'm Tommy Mitz from 3rd. Thank you all so much for listening. We really appreciate it. We will see you next week on All the Feelings, Sins, and Virtues.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Yeah, that was a real 9-10. Virtues.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
This is what happens when you take whiskey out of people's hands. Everything goes haywire. We're letting women vote. We're busting up barrels and yeah.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Is there a quiz you want to run? First, I think we should, in case not everyone is as incredibly smart and clean shaven as us, why don't we go throw it to our friend the robot and say, hey, robot, what is temperance? Temperance.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
That's really interesting. Excess and deficiency, so it's driving it through the middle. So it's not saying abstain from it completely, but don't overdo it. Yes.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Well, that was the problem.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Yeah, exactly. Right. That it's not completely abstaining from it whole cloth, but it's not going over. Yeah, that seems to be the way to go. And potentially that was the big problem with prohibition or the idea of prohibition. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
What were they, did they ever say, and we're doing this because of, meaning what were they worried about? The people were going to lose themselves to passions and appetites? Like what was the negative part?
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
We're taking it away. It's like a nation of slippery slope. You say that the moderation, if left to the people, is impossible?
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
So what do you think is the most effective in history? I'm just, is it making it against the law, like actual government or city? That worked really well. Yeah, or is it social pressure, like from the church?
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Well, I think the church leads to social pressure, I guess. Maybe I was making that a one, like a through line. Because God isn't going to, at least right now, God is not going to come and smack the bourbon out of your hand. Your judgment comes later. And so what we have instead is church leaders and pressure from the humans around you.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
So we pick. But what the thing about cigarettes, other than maybe, say, the smell or having to distance yourself from people when you do it in more modern times, you don't act. crazy when you smoke too many cigarettes right that's the thing is it's a that the social element when you drink too much you are a buffoon and potentially become violent cigarettes don't unleash your inner gross part
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
How did it come up before? Yeah. I'm trying to remember why would this story be a repeat here? It makes a thousand percent.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Interesting. So that, yeah, that, that wasn't a part of it was, oh, and also you're killing yourself. It was more, you're being mean to people on the street or you're peeing on a horse. You're fighting a saloon. Right.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
American thing in particular. Yes. There is an enormous subset that thinks that American, that the point of being an American is you don't have to follow rules. And that's just not true. Right. We broke away from some rules when we left from England. We didn't say, okay, like the First Amendment isn't free for all. We immediately started setting up a bunch of rules.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
I don't. No, and I'm interested in that because you brought up marijuana and marijuana federally versus statewide. Yeah, because we're in the middle of it.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Yeah, it was the 18th Amendment and then followed up by the Volstead Act, which was the actual law in 1919. I do have that. That was like – that was the muscle behind it. What was going on in Maine? I don't – when was the last time Maine was the first – I would have – maybe I'm clearly being influenced by current politics. I would have thought it was maybe a real southern state.
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Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Right now, southern states are the first to start enacting more, if you want to call it conservative policies. Yeah. So what was, why Maine?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
All the Feelings presents Sins and Virtues. This episode... Wrath.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Wrath. Noun. A great or intense anger that expresses itself in a desire to punish someone. Does it?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Now they're floating it.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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