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No, it sure doesn't.

Welcome to a live VergeCast, the flagship podcast of John Ternes, who we have to be nice to now because he's the new CEO of Apple.

Is that how it works?

Hi, Nilay.

It's been a day, my friend.

So the news, obviously, Tim Cook stepping down as the CEO of Apple.

John Ternes, the not-quite-new, soon-to-be CEO of Apple.

Neil, we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about, but I'm just curious.

Immediate reaction.

Are you surprised, A, that this happened, and B, that it happened today?

He's staying as the executive chairman.

There's a quote that more or less makes it sound like Tim Cook's new job at Apple is to be the person who gets yelled at by politicians.

So he's not technically leaving.

So I'm sure there will be people at Apple who will tell you he was not technically lying.

And yet here we are.

Yeah.