Nilay Patel
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38,086 appearances
136 recordings
4 series
first heard Aug 2024
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Hello and welcome to Decoder.
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I'm Neil I Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.
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This episode is part of a two-part series on the future of business.
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Today I'm talking with Matthew Prince, the CEO of Cloudflare.
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Cloudflare is one of the most important infrastructure companies in the world.
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It protects all kinds of apps and services from bad actors on the internet, basically making it possible to operate a business online.
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Matthew last joined us on the show about two and a half years ago.
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What we thought then was a wild pivot point for the internet.
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But now, because of AI, it turns out things are even wilder, and Matthew and Cloudflare are right at the center of it.
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Cloudflare found in June that bots now make up more than half of internet traffic, a number that just keeps going up as more and more AI companies scrape more and more of the web.
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And now as more and more people send AI agents out to do things for them on the web.
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Cloudflare sits between websites and all those AI tools and allows website owners some level of control.
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They can block all those tools, allow them, or as you'll hear Matthew describe, potentially only allow those that pay money for access.
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So Matthew and I talked about how to control all those spots, what kind of mess they're making of the web, and what kinds of information might be more valuable in the future as some of these payment schemes come into focus.
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You'll hear me ask pretty directly if some of the outcomes he's describing are actually good.
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Matthew is a thoughtful guy, and his answer is something I'm still thinking about well after we had this conversation.
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Matthew is also at the center of another important AI.
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Earlier this year, Cloudflare laid off more than a thousand people, 20% of the company.
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And Matthew wrote an op-ed about that decision, which ran in the Wall Street Journal under the headline, How Why Choose Which Cloudflare Employees to Replace with AI?
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That is pure Decoder Bay.
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