Lisa Kudrow
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And then I saw that person a few years later on one of the Housewives. Interesting. On a show. And I went, okay. Interesting. But I can be sort of judgmental. And someone comes in and they're just like, riffraff. You know? Yeah.
And then I saw that person a few years later on one of the Housewives. Interesting. On a show. And I went, okay. Interesting. But I can be sort of judgmental. And someone comes in and they're just like, riffraff. You know? Yeah.
Riffraff's a bad word, I think. Yeah, is it?
Riffraff's a bad word, I think. Yeah, is it?
Like racist or something? Oh God, I hope not.
Like racist or something? Oh God, I hope not.
I don't know because I know I've seen things. Yeah, words are canceled now. We have to look it up.
I don't know because I know I've seen things. Yeah, words are canceled now. We have to look it up.
No, but even like back then, I saw it in an old movie where it's like, oh, they're an actor. All actors are riffraff. And then it came up in something else and someone was like, don't say that. That's a horrible thing to say. Oh, really? And I went, riffraff? It doesn't sound like really bad. Yeah, it doesn't. Okay, we got clearance. Oh, good. What's the origin?
No, but even like back then, I saw it in an old movie where it's like, oh, they're an actor. All actors are riffraff. And then it came up in something else and someone was like, don't say that. That's a horrible thing to say. Oh, really? And I went, riffraff? It doesn't sound like really bad. Yeah, it doesn't. Okay, we got clearance. Oh, good. What's the origin?
And Chuck Lorre was there too, I think. Oh, wow, Dax, you missed a lot of people.
And Chuck Lorre was there too, I think. Oh, wow, Dax, you missed a lot of people.
I don't remember that many times. Okay.
I don't remember that many times. Okay.
That would make me very nervous.
That would make me very nervous.
Please let's hear their defense.
Please let's hear their defense.
And then my anxiety will go away.
And then my anxiety will go away.
I'm working on the in defense. It was the burger part.
I'm working on the in defense. It was the burger part.
How was I to know I wasn't- And there were people in the house, so they went in. And they probably thought- Like other people are in. I guess it's inside and outside. I'm getting chilly. Yep. Should we just go inside?
How was I to know I wasn't- And there were people in the house, so they went in. And they probably thought- Like other people are in. I guess it's inside and outside. I'm getting chilly. Yep. Should we just go inside?
Right, but they were inside.
Right, but they were inside.
We were out of the house. I'm just trying to say that it's all fine. It's okay. It's okay. No one meant any harm. No. Mostly it's good people in the world. Let's just keep telling ourselves that, right? And at some point we're all going to die anyway, and it's all going to be okay. Totally.
We were out of the house. I'm just trying to say that it's all fine. It's okay. It's okay. No one meant any harm. No. Mostly it's good people in the world. Let's just keep telling ourselves that, right? And at some point we're all going to die anyway, and it's all going to be okay. Totally.
So people probably fucked in our bedroom. We're not doing that anymore. Let that be the worst thing.
So people probably fucked in our bedroom. We're not doing that anymore. Let that be the worst thing.
No, that is how it was. Because junior high, I thought, oof, we're all supposed to be popular. That's supposed to happen developmentally, right? See, again, why I'm not fun at a dinner party.
No, that is how it was. Because junior high, I thought, oof, we're all supposed to be popular. That's supposed to happen developmentally, right? See, again, why I'm not fun at a dinner party.
Because I want to get into the evolutionary behavioral things about it. In your history. Yeah, you're generous.
Because I want to get into the evolutionary behavioral things about it. In your history. Yeah, you're generous.
Why do you think that happens? Right.
Why do you think that happens? Right.
And that, yeah, is very important evolutionarily. Modeling, playing out scenarios, having a plan. The world is scary if we can't do that. Right. Don't we all do that? No. Happy people do not do that.
And that, yeah, is very important evolutionarily. Modeling, playing out scenarios, having a plan. The world is scary if we can't do that. Right. Don't we all do that? No. Happy people do not do that.
I don't know. Yes, to just be fine with what is. And then something comes up, you'll deal with it. I can be that person sometimes. Very happy when I am. But today, I mean, I have to say it's election day. So everything is just like, all right, what's going to happen? What should we prepare for? Oh, my God. Right.
I don't know. Yes, to just be fine with what is. And then something comes up, you'll deal with it. I can be that person sometimes. Very happy when I am. But today, I mean, I have to say it's election day. So everything is just like, all right, what's going to happen? What should we prepare for? Oh, my God. Right.
I'm going to focus on getting myself to where I think I need to be. And that is college somewhere on the East Coast and not here in Southern California.
I'm going to focus on getting myself to where I think I need to be. And that is college somewhere on the East Coast and not here in Southern California.
My head's full of 10 different things. You walked in today and I went, Jesus, he looks so good. Gorgeous.
My head's full of 10 different things. You walked in today and I went, Jesus, he looks so good. Gorgeous.
It happens with men, too, by the way. Have you seen The Substance? No. What is it?
It happens with men, too, by the way. Have you seen The Substance? No. What is it?
Is it scary? Yeah. Then I will not see that movie.
Is it scary? Yeah. Then I will not see that movie.
She doesn't want to go back. Is she back in time?
She doesn't want to go back. Is she back in time?
Oh, and she says, no, I don't want to go back to being old.
Oh, and she says, no, I don't want to go back to being old.
It's church right now. Right. Women can't and shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's church right now. Right. Women can't and shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because it's not just about procreation anymore.
Because it's not just about procreation anymore.
That's the chilling, terrifying thing. By the way, you know the movie here? No. Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Robert Zemeckis. It's going through time and they shot it and they could actually shoot the scene and then look at the playback of them as younger and it's ready for them to see.
That's the chilling, terrifying thing. By the way, you know the movie here? No. Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Robert Zemeckis. It's going through time and they shot it and they could actually shoot the scene and then look at the playback of them as younger and it's ready for them to see.
And all I got from that was, this is an endorsement for AI and oh my God. It's not like, oh, it's going to ruin everything.
And all I got from that was, this is an endorsement for AI and oh my God. It's not like, oh, it's going to ruin everything.
What will there be left for, forget actors, but what about up and coming actors? They'll just be licensing and recycling.
What will there be left for, forget actors, but what about up and coming actors? They'll just be licensing and recycling.
Yeah, and then set that completely aside. What work will there be for human beings?
Yeah, and then set that completely aside. What work will there be for human beings?
Oh, you do talk about that? Oh, yeah. And then what? So there'll be some kind of living stipend for people? There'll be no work. How can it possibly be enough?
Oh, you do talk about that? Oh, yeah. And then what? So there'll be some kind of living stipend for people? There'll be no work. How can it possibly be enough?
Look it, I'm shaking. I know you are. I don't know if it's chilly in here. There's a blanket.
Look it, I'm shaking. I know you are. I don't know if it's chilly in here. There's a blanket.
Maybe. First of all, you're sitting on a blanket.
Maybe. First of all, you're sitting on a blanket.
And it made you happy? Okay.
And it made you happy? Okay.
Okay, thanks. I just won't gesture anymore.
Okay, thanks. I just won't gesture anymore.
This is our night-night time now. 99! Put her to sleep. Stay in your bedroom tonight. Put her to sleep. This is a drag. This isn't working out.
This is our night-night time now. 99! Put her to sleep. Stay in your bedroom tonight. Put her to sleep. This is a drag. This isn't working out.
Oh, please tell me the full part.
Oh, please tell me the full part.
That's the fallacy. Yeah. Right. Okay. Because you said that's the healing power of fame.
That's the fallacy. Yeah. Right. Okay. Because you said that's the healing power of fame.
It's an equalizer. That's for sure. So what you're saying is so people will.
It's an equalizer. That's for sure. So what you're saying is so people will.
Be miserable. But then what they're going to see is being here on this planet in this life is about something else. It's not about what I do. It's about who I love and who loves me. It's about connecting. It's about being part of a community. But a community doing what?
Be miserable. But then what they're going to see is being here on this planet in this life is about something else. It's not about what I do. It's about who I love and who loves me. It's about connecting. It's about being part of a community. But a community doing what?
Painting. It doesn't have to be for a result. The domestic robot will do that better. Oh, it will be better. The artist robots will do it better.
Painting. It doesn't have to be for a result. The domestic robot will do that better. Oh, it will be better. The artist robots will do it better.
Right. But haven't you been on vacation?
Right. But haven't you been on vacation?
No, I don't feel like that.
No, I don't feel like that.
Yeah. Everyone needs an occupation. I don't mean a professional occupation. I mean, you need something to occupy your time and you need to decide what's fulfilling and what isn't.
Yeah. Everyone needs an occupation. I don't mean a professional occupation. I mean, you need something to occupy your time and you need to decide what's fulfilling and what isn't.
But you're saying that'll be solved. And I'm saying, I don't know what government can afford to solve that on a satisfactory level.
But you're saying that'll be solved. And I'm saying, I don't know what government can afford to solve that on a satisfactory level.
Population decline. Sure. That's a terrible joke. Because it's not funny. If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, get in touch with this hotline. Yes. That's right. Trigger warning.
Population decline. Sure. That's a terrible joke. Because it's not funny. If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, get in touch with this hotline. Yes. That's right. Trigger warning.
I'd need to see an episode of that. Maybe there was one on Star Trek or a good writer is going to have to play that out for me to see. I'll get back to you.
I'd need to see an episode of that. Maybe there was one on Star Trek or a good writer is going to have to play that out for me to see. I'll get back to you.
I was able to do it myself. Okay, good. I'm like Harry Houdini. Somehow I was able to score my hand under the loose blanket.
I was able to do it myself. Okay, good. I'm like Harry Houdini. Somehow I was able to score my hand under the loose blanket.
I can't. I had a feeling. I need my gum.
I can't. I had a feeling. I need my gum.
Yeah, I grew up with John Lovitz. He and my brother, best friends. And he grew up in Encino as well? Tarzana. And he was at our house all the time.
Yeah, I grew up with John Lovitz. He and my brother, best friends. And he grew up in Encino as well? Tarzana. And he was at our house all the time.
I let him know after college I decided I should try acting because I always was interested, but threw it away. After I graduated, I realized... wait a minute, don't have any regrets later. I know you plan to get married and have kids and all of that, but you might regret not ever even trying. So know for sure why you didn't pursue acting. So I let
I let him know after college I decided I should try acting because I always was interested, but threw it away. After I graduated, I realized... wait a minute, don't have any regrets later. I know you plan to get married and have kids and all of that, but you might regret not ever even trying. So know for sure why you didn't pursue acting. So I let
Love It's No after I graduated because he got on Saturday Night Live. And before that, I thought, oh, it's only a magical few that are touched. Certainly no one who looks like me. But I saw him just pounding away forever in college. He was a theater major. He wanted to be an actor. And oh, dear God, how's that? It's so hard.
Love It's No after I graduated because he got on Saturday Night Live. And before that, I thought, oh, it's only a magical few that are touched. Certainly no one who looks like me. But I saw him just pounding away forever in college. He was a theater major. He wanted to be an actor. And oh, dear God, how's that? It's so hard.
And then he got on Saturday Night Live and I thought, oh, it's his reality. I wonder if I should try. So I let him know and he said, go to Groundlings. That's where I learned the most for acting. That's been the best preparation.
And then he got on Saturday Night Live and I thought, oh, it's his reality. I wonder if I should try. So I let him know and he said, go to Groundlings. That's where I learned the most for acting. That's been the best preparation.
I wasn't allowed to even audition because I called them and said, John Levitz told me to call, which may have been like a fucking guy got on to Saturday Night Live, you know. Okay. Well, when's the last time you performed or acted? And I said, junior high. And I said, great. We're sending you someplace else. Oh.
I wasn't allowed to even audition because I called them and said, John Levitz told me to call, which may have been like a fucking guy got on to Saturday Night Live, you know. Okay. Well, when's the last time you performed or acted? And I said, junior high. And I said, great. We're sending you someplace else. Oh.
See Cynthia Seghetti, who taught improv and she had a class she taught at the Coronet Theater.
See Cynthia Seghetti, who taught improv and she had a class she taught at the Coronet Theater.
Yeah. The other person in that class was Conan O'Brien. He also was sent to Cynthia Seghetti. Oh my God. And by the way, I've told this before, but I was going to quit. I went to one class of Cynthia's. Conan wasn't there. Everyone there just felt like, oh, not for me.
Yeah. The other person in that class was Conan O'Brien. He also was sent to Cynthia Seghetti. Oh my God. And by the way, I've told this before, but I was going to quit. I went to one class of Cynthia's. Conan wasn't there. Everyone there just felt like, oh, not for me.
These are actory people. I thought comedy would be less serious and phony. They were really overdoing it with emotional adjustments. I was like, this is just embarrassing.
These are actory people. I thought comedy would be less serious and phony. They were really overdoing it with emotional adjustments. I was like, this is just embarrassing.
This is like cheerleading. You've been embarrassed for people for quite a long time. And I didn't want to be part of that.
This is like cheerleading. You've been embarrassed for people for quite a long time. And I didn't want to be part of that.
Well, except when. So the next week I was like, do I go back? I should go. Just go. Come on. And I was a little late and they were already up there doing lift a disc or space ball or whatever it was. Now throw it. And you're angry. Everyone's angry. Angry now. People are throwing it. And they're like, grrr. So embarrassing. And then there was Conan. I didn't know him. He was really tall, red hair.
Well, except when. So the next week I was like, do I go back? I should go. Just go. Come on. And I was a little late and they were already up there doing lift a disc or space ball or whatever it was. Now throw it. And you're angry. Everyone's angry. Angry now. People are throwing it. And they're like, grrr. So embarrassing. And then there was Conan. I didn't know him. He was really tall, red hair.
And he was throwing it. And he was angry. But he wasn't making a meal of it. I got it. And then Cynthia said, good commitment. And I went, that's what commitment means? I can do that. And so I just made a beeline for him when it was all over. And like, hi, I'm Lisa.
And he was throwing it. And he was angry. But he wasn't making a meal of it. I got it. And then Cynthia said, good commitment. And I went, that's what commitment means? I can do that. And so I just made a beeline for him when it was all over. And like, hi, I'm Lisa.
Well. Pretty soon, we will be dating. Not really. Best friends. For how long?
Well. Pretty soon, we will be dating. Not really. Best friends. For how long?
Eight years. And then tried that for... After eight years of friendship? Three months. And then, no.
Eight years. And then tried that for... After eight years of friendship? Three months. And then, no.
I mean, it worked out. We weren't supposed to be. They were meant to be, yeah.
I mean, it worked out. We weren't supposed to be. They were meant to be, yeah.
Yeah, because it's a completely different relationship and we're better as friends. So that was just a weird blip.
Yeah, because it's a completely different relationship and we're better as friends. So that was just a weird blip.
If the praise is coming for like indicating anger or, oh, I'm sad. I'm not buying it. It's bad. Right.
If the praise is coming for like indicating anger or, oh, I'm sad. I'm not buying it. It's bad. Right.
The teacher is really just trying to make people feel safe and comfortable. Right. And so for me, it was, well, how will I ever be able to trust her? I'm going to think I'm great. And then I'm going to have horrible habits. I'm just going to become good at being bad. Right. That's not what I am hoping to learn to do.
The teacher is really just trying to make people feel safe and comfortable. Right. And so for me, it was, well, how will I ever be able to trust her? I'm going to think I'm great. And then I'm going to have horrible habits. I'm just going to become good at being bad. Right. That's not what I am hoping to learn to do.
And then I need an example. I learn best by example. So what does it look like when you're doing it right? Because Robert De Niro isn't doing Spaceball or Lift a Disc right now for me to see.
And then I need an example. I learn best by example. So what does it look like when you're doing it right? Because Robert De Niro isn't doing Spaceball or Lift a Disc right now for me to see.
Okay, yeah. Well, because Conan was, was. I mean, has always been. Yeah. And that's not a lie. The funniest person I'd ever met.
Okay, yeah. Well, because Conan was, was. I mean, has always been. Yeah. And that's not a lie. The funniest person I'd ever met.
I don't do it, but my husband does. Oh, he does. You get it here?
I don't do it, but my husband does. Oh, he does. You get it here?
Yeah. And we'd go to parties like, well, he's the best to bring to a party because he makes everyone so comfortable. He's so hilarious. And he's, I think, one of the smartest people I've ever met.
Yeah. And we'd go to parties like, well, he's the best to bring to a party because he makes everyone so comfortable. He's so hilarious. And he's, I think, one of the smartest people I've ever met.
Yeah, we got accepted into paying them money for the basic class. We were allowed to do that, but we weren't in the same class. And everyone knew we were close friends. I always suspected that had something to do with if people thought there was anything good about me because I sort of had Conan's endorsement and he was already really respected. He was going to get in.
Yeah, we got accepted into paying them money for the basic class. We were allowed to do that, but we weren't in the same class. And everyone knew we were close friends. I always suspected that had something to do with if people thought there was anything good about me because I sort of had Conan's endorsement and he was already really respected. He was going to get in.
He was in the advanced class. Is that called third level? I don't know. The advanced class.
He was in the advanced class. Is that called third level? I don't know. The advanced class.
And from there, you get voted into the Sunday company. And you do two sort of showcases. After that first performance in that advanced class, he and his writing partner, Greg Daniels, What? Yeah, you didn't know that? I don't think I knew that. Or did I? Maybe I forgot. You fucking dumbass. Can we just do this whole thing about Conan and Greg?
And from there, you get voted into the Sunday company. And you do two sort of showcases. After that first performance in that advanced class, he and his writing partner, Greg Daniels, What? Yeah, you didn't know that? I don't think I knew that. Or did I? Maybe I forgot. You fucking dumbass. Can we just do this whole thing about Conan and Greg?
No, but they got invited to write on Saturday Night Live.
No, but they got invited to write on Saturday Night Live.
Saturday Night Live. So they had to go to New York.
Saturday Night Live. So they had to go to New York.
And that's why Conan wasn't a groundling.
And that's why Conan wasn't a groundling.
I didn't get an official audition. I was just told Lorraine Newman had seen me at the Groundlings and she thought I was good.
I didn't get an official audition. I was just told Lorraine Newman had seen me at the Groundlings and she thought I was good.
No, but she let me know. She let them know to pay attention or come see me. They were coming out to look at Julia Sweeney. And I think she was letting them know, look at her too.
No, but she let me know. She let them know to pay attention or come see me. They were coming out to look at Julia Sweeney. And I think she was letting them know, look at her too.
It made me nervous because that was going to be life-changing.
It made me nervous because that was going to be life-changing.
I wasn't going to say no to that. But it wasn't your only... You wanted to act and be in things. I thought I should probably be on a sitcom. I mean, I wasn't getting any auditions or anything at that point at all. And Saturday Night Live was good, too. Yeah.
I wasn't going to say no to that. But it wasn't your only... You wanted to act and be in things. I thought I should probably be on a sitcom. I mean, I wasn't getting any auditions or anything at that point at all. And Saturday Night Live was good, too. Yeah.
I'm just so happy I'm not getting judged for still using nicotine.
I'm just so happy I'm not getting judged for still using nicotine.
Oh my God. You'll take it. It's one of the coolest.
Oh my God. You'll take it. It's one of the coolest.
And I remember calling Conan because he was writing there. And I said, can you put in a good word or anything? He was like, no, because that's a different no.
And I remember calling Conan because he was writing there. And I said, can you put in a good word or anything? He was like, no, because that's a different no.
Also, he may have known. I kind of look at Julia Sweeney. That's kind of the entire story.
Also, he may have known. I kind of look at Julia Sweeney. That's kind of the entire story.
They were in the audience. And I thought I'm having it. They're here to see me, too.
They were in the audience. And I thought I'm having it. They're here to see me, too.
No, but I'm usually wrong. I don't remember things well. I just know, yeah, Julius Sweeney. That's all I know.
No, but I'm usually wrong. I don't remember things well. I just know, yeah, Julius Sweeney. That's all I know.
Because most people say, well, you got to get off that. Why? Yeah. Because they don't know. Yeah.
Because most people say, well, you got to get off that. Why? Yeah. Because they don't know. Yeah.
But I know because I was a groundling. I voted in Will Ferrell. Oh. Get out.
But I know because I was a groundling. I voted in Will Ferrell. Oh. Get out.
Yeah, that wasn't even a question for anyone voting. Everything you need here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Ferrell.
Yeah, that wasn't even a question for anyone voting. Everything you need here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Ferrell.
Did you know this? No, I did, but I don't know what year. Okay.
Did you know this? No, I did, but I don't know what year. Okay.
That's why I got voted in. I was in a play. No, I was in a play. Ladies Room. That Robin Schiff, who was a groundling, she wrote it. It was really successful. And then I got to be in a movie with Teresa Russell, directed by Sandra Locke. I got cut out of it, but it was not comedy either. And I got to audition for so many things. Because of a sketch? Because of that play. Oh, wow. A play.
That's why I got voted in. I was in a play. No, I was in a play. Ladies Room. That Robin Schiff, who was a groundling, she wrote it. It was really successful. And then I got to be in a movie with Teresa Russell, directed by Sandra Locke. I got cut out of it, but it was not comedy either. And I got to audition for so many things. Because of a sketch? Because of that play. Oh, wow. A play.
At the Tiffany Theater, which was the Equity Waiver Theater in L.A. And it ran forever. And it was me and this girl, Christy Miller, who was also in the Groundling program. Christy Miller. Christy.
At the Tiffany Theater, which was the Equity Waiver Theater in L.A. And it ran forever. And it was me and this girl, Christy Miller, who was also in the Groundling program. Christy Miller. Christy.
Christy Miller. And at first, the characters were called Airhead One, Airhead Two. We were a total of like five minutes in and out of the stage. Then the play is backed by Aaron Spelling and Douglas Kramer. Oh, wow. They give the characters names Romy and Michelle. Stop.
Christy Miller. And at first, the characters were called Airhead One, Airhead Two. We were a total of like five minutes in and out of the stage. Then the play is backed by Aaron Spelling and Douglas Kramer. Oh, wow. They give the characters names Romy and Michelle. Stop.
So much later. Oh my God. So much later. There's a bad pilot with Romy and Michelle that Spelling Kramer made. It's not great. Okay. Because I realized I kept saying so bad and that's unkind.
So much later. Oh my God. So much later. There's a bad pilot with Romy and Michelle that Spelling Kramer made. It's not great. Okay. Because I realized I kept saying so bad and that's unkind.
That's what my research has shown.
That's what my research has shown.
Oh my God. That's before Cheers.
Oh my God. That's before Cheers.
Either right before or around the same time, because I knew one of them, I wasn't a SAG pilot. member. So you had to get two jobs. I had to get Taft, Hartley, and then join or something like that. So it was Cheers and Romy and Michelle, but it was called Temporarily Yours. Wow.
Either right before or around the same time, because I knew one of them, I wasn't a SAG pilot. member. So you had to get two jobs. I had to get Taft, Hartley, and then join or something like that. So it was Cheers and Romy and Michelle, but it was called Temporarily Yours. Wow.
That's why I got into Groundlings. Because you had done... I was ready to hand it over to I think because I was friends with Conan. I think it's because you were good.
That's why I got into Groundlings. Because you had done... I was ready to hand it over to I think because I was friends with Conan. I think it's because you were good.
Yeah. Oh, good. Right. That's not the problem. It was the delivery system. That's the problem. Tobacco is the best delivery system. The dosage was really perfect. How long did you partake in that delivery system? 20 years. Nice. Yeah. And then 20 years of this. I'm 20 years on this too.
Yeah. Oh, good. Right. That's not the problem. It was the delivery system. That's the problem. Tobacco is the best delivery system. The dosage was really perfect. How long did you partake in that delivery system? 20 years. Nice. Yeah. And then 20 years of this. I'm 20 years on this too.
No, it's not that I think I was bad.
No, it's not that I think I was bad.
Yes. I mean, I do know Piers thought... That's funny. But I was not a crowd pleaser with the growling audience. I wasn't doing like fright wigs and blackened teeth, you know. Right. Yeah, you were embarrassed by that. I wasn't. I mean. I would have been. I did one sort of like that. If people can see your face. One time. You're almost throwing up. You're kind of holding back a moment. One time.
Yes. I mean, I do know Piers thought... That's funny. But I was not a crowd pleaser with the growling audience. I wasn't doing like fright wigs and blackened teeth, you know. Right. Yeah, you were embarrassed by that. I wasn't. I mean. I would have been. I did one sort of like that. If people can see your face. One time. You're almost throwing up. You're kind of holding back a moment. One time.
But I was trying to be clever, by the way. Pat Sajak had a late night show. Oh, yes.
But I was trying to be clever, by the way. Pat Sajak had a late night show. Oh, yes.
A talk show. For a minute. And he was going to start having sketches. And so they wanted Groundlings to come do sketches. So they came to watch a show. And the director of the main company at the time, I was smoking and I was going to go get cigarettes. He goes, let me walk with you. I was like, no, I didn't think he liked me.
A talk show. For a minute. And he was going to start having sketches. And so they wanted Groundlings to come do sketches. So they came to watch a show. And the director of the main company at the time, I was smoking and I was going to go get cigarettes. He goes, let me walk with you. I was like, no, I didn't think he liked me.
all right and we're walking he says so pat sajak people were out here and they watched the show so they liked julia of course sweeney i went yeah yeah he said everyone and i don't even understand any of this but you oh my god and he really did say it like that because i remember thinking Manners, at least. Yeah. Sure. But all right. I went, huh. I think he said, this is crazy.
all right and we're walking he says so pat sajak people were out here and they watched the show so they liked julia of course sweeney i went yeah yeah he said everyone and i don't even understand any of this but you oh my god and he really did say it like that because i remember thinking Manners, at least. Yeah. Sure. But all right. I went, huh. I think he said, this is crazy.
I said, yeah, wow, that is crazy. Jeez.
I said, yeah, wow, that is crazy. Jeez.
Yes, and? Yeah, you were born in 1983.
Yes, and? Yeah, you were born in 1983.
And I could see how you might be confused with that because an eight and a six have circles in them.
And I could see how you might be confused with that because an eight and a six have circles in them.
And that is why I was a fine improviser.
And that is why I was a fine improviser.
Anyway, it was to see if there was any association between hemispheric dominance, handedness, and headache types. So it wasn't just cluster headache.
Anyway, it was to see if there was any association between hemispheric dominance, handedness, and headache types. So it wasn't just cluster headache.
It was just to see if people who were right hemispheric dominant had more cluster headache. But it was every headache amongst all headache types. But the answer was no. Okay.
It was just to see if people who were right hemispheric dominant had more cluster headache. But it was every headache amongst all headache types. But the answer was no. Okay.
He was concerned, not concerned, but he was interested in headache because he got almost every headache type.
He was concerned, not concerned, but he was interested in headache because he got almost every headache type.
It's a complicated explanation that has to do with, if it holds, it's his theory, which was impressive because he had the first working theory, that it had to do with some damage to the hypothalamus. Mostly men had cluster headache and that the damage may have come from burning the candle on both ends was his theory at the time. But I don't think stress brought on the cluster headaches.
It's a complicated explanation that has to do with, if it holds, it's his theory, which was impressive because he had the first working theory, that it had to do with some damage to the hypothalamus. Mostly men had cluster headache and that the damage may have come from burning the candle on both ends was his theory at the time. But I don't think stress brought on the cluster headaches.
I think it was a circadian or circannual. rhythm thing for episodic cluster and people who had it chronically all the time.
I think it was a circadian or circannual. rhythm thing for episodic cluster and people who had it chronically all the time.
Well, the pattern had to do with the light changing. A lot of them are hormone related too, right? Migraines, but not cluster headaches.
Well, the pattern had to do with the light changing. A lot of them are hormone related too, right? Migraines, but not cluster headaches.
But there are men who get headaches. Well, young men. And then as you get older, if I'm remembering it right, because I worked there for eight years, guys get older, their headaches go away.
But there are men who get headaches. Well, young men. And then as you get older, if I'm remembering it right, because I worked there for eight years, guys get older, their headaches go away.
But there are hormones. Yeah.
But there are hormones. Yeah.
No, I mean, I'm sorry. Look at me now. It's like, no, no, I'm not. No joking. This isn't funny. Everything's very serious. Come on.
No, I mean, I'm sorry. Look at me now. It's like, no, no, I'm not. No joking. This isn't funny. Everything's very serious. Come on.
They are. But they've got good treatments now.
They are. But they've got good treatments now.
Yeah. There's those migraines, you know, like hemiplegic migraines, or I don't know, maybe they don't call those anymore. But half of the face or body gets paralyzed. And the scary thing is when it happens, you think, I think you got to get a brain scan. Yeah, stroke. It's happening, but it's not.
Yeah. There's those migraines, you know, like hemiplegic migraines, or I don't know, maybe they don't call those anymore. But half of the face or body gets paralyzed. And the scary thing is when it happens, you think, I think you got to get a brain scan. Yeah, stroke. It's happening, but it's not.
My brother's a neurologist and he now is the headache specialist. And he had just explained it. And now because of my age, I don't remember what he said. Right.
My brother's a neurologist and he now is the headache specialist. And he had just explained it. And now because of my age, I don't remember what he said. Right.
That's a bad combination too. That's so bad.
That's a bad combination too. That's so bad.
He does. Okay. How cool for him.
He does. Okay. How cool for him.
Like cannibalistically meta.
Like cannibalistically meta.
Simulation, right. What do you mean? Like, do you think you're living on?
Simulation, right. What do you mean? Like, do you think you're living on?
You should. You just convinced.
You should. You just convinced.
I'm processing everything you're saying and trying to figure how it's the same as the way I see things. Because I do think that there's too much we don't know. So it could be that. It could be God. It could be anything. Something stinks. I don't know if something stinks. I think that what stinks is that we require to measure it, see it, describe it, define it. We need to know.
I'm processing everything you're saying and trying to figure how it's the same as the way I see things. Because I do think that there's too much we don't know. So it could be that. It could be God. It could be anything. Something stinks. I don't know if something stinks. I think that what stinks is that we require to measure it, see it, describe it, define it. We need to know.
I know. Well, it's just two lung irritants and throat irritants. It's not good.
I know. Well, it's just two lung irritants and throat irritants. It's not good.
You're using science words.
You're using science words.
In order to accept it, when the one thing I learned from science and scientific method is there's more we don't know than we do know. So just because you can't doesn't mean it's not happening.
In order to accept it, when the one thing I learned from science and scientific method is there's more we don't know than we do know. So just because you can't doesn't mean it's not happening.
We're so limited in our senses.
We're so limited in our senses.
That's what I think. There are things we can't explain that we've just known.
That's what I think. There are things we can't explain that we've just known.
Yeah. Well, okay. Here's the thing. When there was no way I was going to be an actress and I was in college and my plan even on graduation was I'm going to go to graduate school and study evolutionary theory. Not going to be a doctor. That's fine. I'd come home for spring breaks. And I'd be driving around in L.A. and you'd hear on the radio a commercial for a new sitcom or a sitcom.
Yeah. Well, okay. Here's the thing. When there was no way I was going to be an actress and I was in college and my plan even on graduation was I'm going to go to graduate school and study evolutionary theory. Not going to be a doctor. That's fine. I'd come home for spring breaks. And I'd be driving around in L.A. and you'd hear on the radio a commercial for a new sitcom or a sitcom.
Yeah. By the way, this is why I'm no fun in a dinner party.
Yeah. By the way, this is why I'm no fun in a dinner party.
And they're promoting it with their best joke. I have huge quote marks. I'm waving like a lunatic.
And they're promoting it with their best joke. I have huge quote marks. I'm waving like a lunatic.
I'm driving along and I'd hear that joke, which would just be like, well, that's what she said last time. And I think, oh, my God. Why do they have to hit it so hard? Can't they just throw it away? That's what she said last time. And then the thought was, Lisa, please remember to throw it away when you do it. Oh. And I went, what? I'm not doing that. Right. But you always were.
I'm driving along and I'd hear that joke, which would just be like, well, that's what she said last time. And I think, oh, my God. Why do they have to hit it so hard? Can't they just throw it away? That's what she said last time. And then the thought was, Lisa, please remember to throw it away when you do it. Oh. And I went, what? I'm not doing that. Right. But you always were.
Because I get like, oh no, that's terrible. Two irritants. Did you read the study on...
Because I get like, oh no, that's terrible. Two irritants. Did you read the study on...
And then other things like that. I'd watch David Letterman and watch someone who was being very, very phony. You know, that's not the way they talked. Not really. No. I love that. I love that. You know, like that kind of thing. And I thought. Oh, my God, Lisa, when you're on Letterman, please try to be yourself. I'm like, yeah. Wait, when am I going to be on Letterman? For what?
And then other things like that. I'd watch David Letterman and watch someone who was being very, very phony. You know, that's not the way they talked. Not really. No. I love that. I love that. You know, like that kind of thing. And I thought. Oh, my God, Lisa, when you're on Letterman, please try to be yourself. I'm like, yeah. Wait, when am I going to be on Letterman? For what?
The latest evolutionary theory? Am I going to come up with some world altering?
The latest evolutionary theory? Am I going to come up with some world altering?
I don't know how to explain those things.
I don't know how to explain those things.
Oh, you think that's what I was experiencing?
Oh, you think that's what I was experiencing?
I don't feel like that was that part of me responding. It felt like it was someone else saying, Lisa, when you do it. But it wasn't a voice. It wasn't anything else. It was a thought in my head. But to respond to it like, wait, what are you saying? What does that mean?
I don't feel like that was that part of me responding. It felt like it was someone else saying, Lisa, when you do it. But it wasn't a voice. It wasn't anything else. It was a thought in my head. But to respond to it like, wait, what are you saying? What does that mean?
Sometimes I just know what I know. Although now I'm feeling like an idiot.
Sometimes I just know what I know. Although now I'm feeling like an idiot.
After talking to you that, oh, yeah, she studied science and she thinks that something in the cosmos is talking to her. But it did feel like such a strong feeling that shouldn't rationally be there. Yeah.
After talking to you that, oh, yeah, she studied science and she thinks that something in the cosmos is talking to her. But it did feel like such a strong feeling that shouldn't rationally be there. Yeah.
I didn't. I rejected it. Yeah. Until Levitz. And it was very practical. I'm 22. I don't have a mortgage. I don't have any responsibility. Now's the time to try that. And you don't want to have any regrets. I'd forgotten about those other things.
I didn't. I rejected it. Yeah. Until Levitz. And it was very practical. I'm 22. I don't have a mortgage. I don't have any responsibility. Now's the time to try that. And you don't want to have any regrets. I'd forgotten about those other things.
Right. You're the least competent person in the household. So you're the dumbass.
Right. You're the least competent person in the household. So you're the dumbass.
I don't know. Things shift and change in me all the time. What's important, who I am, what kind of mood I'm in, either very analytical or I'm very like, you know, it doesn't matter. It's okay. You'll rise to the occasion. I feel like a different person. And Diane Keaton once said to me a long time ago, something like, oh, I was 25. I was a different person.
I don't know. Things shift and change in me all the time. What's important, who I am, what kind of mood I'm in, either very analytical or I'm very like, you know, it doesn't matter. It's okay. You'll rise to the occasion. I feel like a different person. And Diane Keaton once said to me a long time ago, something like, oh, I was 25. I was a different person.
Like, well, don't you feel like you're the same person? No, I've been so many different people. Right. Of course not. We've all been so many different people at different times.
Like, well, don't you feel like you're the same person? No, I've been so many different people. Right. Of course not. We've all been so many different people at different times.
Or just some important beliefs shift.
Or just some important beliefs shift.
I agree with that. But what about core beliefs? Beliefs and opinions are different, aren't they? Values and opinions are different, for sure.
I agree with that. But what about core beliefs? Beliefs and opinions are different, aren't they? Values and opinions are different, for sure.
There's a higher order, something shifted in the list of priorities.
There's a higher order, something shifted in the list of priorities.
Yeah, I don't have any tattoos.
Yeah, I don't have any tattoos.
Because I don't like permanent decisions, except for my son. Yeah.
Because I don't like permanent decisions, except for my son. Yeah.
Right. They made a mistake. And then they corrected the mistake.
Right. They made a mistake. And then they corrected the mistake.
I'm not sure. Or I don't want to know. Maybe more to the point. Maybe I am. After Friends, I did two different shows that was basically just me. Yes. So I did have to think about, oh, what's wrong with you? Ah. Coming from the most quintessential ensemble. And to me, that has nothing to do with it. Right, right, right. Coincidence. By the way, maybe it does have nothing to do with it. Yeah.
I'm not sure. Or I don't want to know. Maybe more to the point. Maybe I am. After Friends, I did two different shows that was basically just me. Yes. So I did have to think about, oh, what's wrong with you? Ah. Coming from the most quintessential ensemble. And to me, that has nothing to do with it. Right, right, right. Coincidence. By the way, maybe it does have nothing to do with it. Yeah.
As a lead? Series regular.
As a lead? Series regular.
Yeah, yeah. You're set. Oh, you're Frasier. Yeah, she was original. Remember, they made a mistake and then they corrected it. Like, no, let's stick with Kelsey.
Yeah, yeah. You're set. Oh, you're Frasier. Yeah, she was original. Remember, they made a mistake and then they corrected it. Like, no, let's stick with Kelsey.
It was a funny idea. No, the Roz character. I mean, they, I think had Perry Gilpin in mind when they wrote the part and she and I were the ones that went to the network and I just sort of changed their mind for a minute. And that was a mistake. They reversed course.
It was a funny idea. No, the Roz character. I mean, they, I think had Perry Gilpin in mind when they wrote the part and she and I were the ones that went to the network and I just sort of changed their mind for a minute. And that was a mistake. They reversed course.
A couple of days before shooting. I don't know, halfway through the pilot week.
A couple of days before shooting. I don't know, halfway through the pilot week.
I did think I might be one of those people for whom this isn't going to work out. Am I? I am. Am I, though? I don't know.
I did think I might be one of those people for whom this isn't going to work out. Am I? I am. Am I, though? I don't know.
Yeah. And I would just get up every morning and walk. And then at the end of the walk, I lived near Michel Richard at the time. It was a great little cafe and they had pan au chocolat. And I'm going to have one of those at the end of my walk. And as I'm out there walking, the sun is bleaching my hair and it's getting a little lighter. So I'm getting some lighter highlights.
Yeah. And I would just get up every morning and walk. And then at the end of the walk, I lived near Michel Richard at the time. It was a great little cafe and they had pan au chocolat. And I'm going to have one of those at the end of my walk. And as I'm out there walking, the sun is bleaching my hair and it's getting a little lighter. So I'm getting some lighter highlights.
And I'm just in every way lightening up. And I have friends that I'm talking to who are saying like, oh my God, you're leaving the house. That's amazing. To me, it was support and encouragement. Like, well, you're doing great. Look, one door closed, another one opens. And then I think it's that one thing that I was told that it's, then what else will you do? And I could always just go back and
And I'm just in every way lightening up. And I have friends that I'm talking to who are saying like, oh my God, you're leaving the house. That's amazing. To me, it was support and encouragement. Like, well, you're doing great. Look, one door closed, another one opens. And then I think it's that one thing that I was told that it's, then what else will you do? And I could always just go back and
to school, get caught up in whatever's happening in evolutionary biology, take whatever classes I have to take and just continue on that path. And that was never an option. I knew I wasn't going to do that and that this is really what I wanted to do.
to school, get caught up in whatever's happening in evolutionary biology, take whatever classes I have to take and just continue on that path. And that was never an option. I knew I wasn't going to do that and that this is really what I wanted to do.
A year? I don't know. I'm bad with this. Maybe people know this.
A year? I don't know. I'm bad with this. Maybe people know this.
Right. Yeah, that's scary. And I really thought, I'm not his cup of tea. Yeah, he doesn't like it. I'm not for him. How much of a say does he have in things? Oh, a lot. Oh, me, a lot. And so I had to audition. I auditioned for just Jimmy. One of my auditions was in a room just Jim Burrows and I'm doing the audition and he says, no notes.
Right. Yeah, that's scary. And I really thought, I'm not his cup of tea. Yeah, he doesn't like it. I'm not for him. How much of a say does he have in things? Oh, a lot. Oh, me, a lot. And so I had to audition. I auditioned for just Jimmy. One of my auditions was in a room just Jim Burrows and I'm doing the audition and he says, no notes.
And I walk out going, that either means I give up, she's hopeless, or it was perfect. I have no notes. And then it's, I'll find out soon. It doesn't matter. What can I do? It's over. Yeah. I don't know how many years ago this was. Less than 10, I think. And there's something for Jim Burrows, like a special something. And I think it's even broadcast. And the six of us cast members are with him.
And I walk out going, that either means I give up, she's hopeless, or it was perfect. I have no notes. And then it's, I'll find out soon. It doesn't matter. What can I do? It's over. Yeah. I don't know how many years ago this was. Less than 10, I think. And there's something for Jim Burrows, like a special something. And I think it's even broadcast. And the six of us cast members are with him.
That's where I think I said like, yeah, well, I had an audition. Remember the audition we all had?
That's where I think I said like, yeah, well, I had an audition. Remember the audition we all had?
Just Jimmy. And everyone went, no, I didn't have that.
Just Jimmy. And everyone went, no, I didn't have that.
I thought, this is that crazy insecurity. You think he needed to see you because it didn't work out on the last thing. Yeah, it's just part of the audition process. It's just part of it. Everyone did this. Why don't you calm down?
I thought, this is that crazy insecurity. You think he needed to see you because it didn't work out on the last thing. Yeah, it's just part of the audition process. It's just part of it. Everyone did this. Why don't you calm down?
And in fact, they did need to check with Jimmy.
And in fact, they did need to check with Jimmy.
Is it all right? Because we think she's pretty good.
Is it all right? Because we think she's pretty good.
No, not the table read. One of the rehearsals. For the pilot? For the pilot where Rachel is about to cut up credit cards and we're all sitting around the kitchen table. And he thinks, oh, you know, it'll be fun. At least get under the table. What? Oh, God. What do you mean? Let's sit under the table. And I'm climbing down. I'm just like shoving myself under the kitchen table.
No, not the table read. One of the rehearsals. For the pilot? For the pilot where Rachel is about to cut up credit cards and we're all sitting around the kitchen table. And he thinks, oh, you know, it'll be fun. At least get under the table. What? Oh, God. What do you mean? Let's sit under the table. And I'm climbing down. I'm just like shoving myself under the kitchen table.
And I said, I can't see anybody. He's like, yeah, but it's funny. That's all right. Oh, boy.
And I said, I can't see anybody. He's like, yeah, but it's funny. That's all right. Oh, boy.
Oh my God. He doesn't want this to work. He doesn't even want me in the scene. Because one of the issues with the character, it's like, how do we let the audience know why they're friends with her? Right, right, right. Because she's so different. Yeah. And I don't know that this helps that. So we do the run through and David Crane, who's so nice, he's like, okay, that was good.
Oh my God. He doesn't want this to work. He doesn't even want me in the scene. Because one of the issues with the character, it's like, how do we let the audience know why they're friends with her? Right, right, right. Because she's so different. Yeah. And I don't know that this helps that. So we do the run through and David Crane, who's so nice, he's like, okay, that was good.
And maybe it does. Do I have to know?
And maybe it does. Do I have to know?
Lisa, it's funny that you're under the table. I don't know that that works. And I'm thinking, he thinks this was my idea. Oh, no. Oh, no. He thinks it's my idea.
Lisa, it's funny that you're under the table. I don't know that that works. And I'm thinking, he thinks this was my idea. Oh, no. Oh, no. He thinks it's my idea.
And now they won't be able to trust any of my instincts.
And now they won't be able to trust any of my instincts.
Yeah. And then Jimmy says, no, no, that was my idea.
Yeah. And then Jimmy says, no, no, that was my idea.
Thank God. I went, oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. He's like, we were just trying it. This is a turning point though. She doesn't have to do it. Yeah. In his book, he wrote like she needed to trust me. So I needed to show her. Like it was all calculated. I don't think the whole thing. What do I know? Okay. I didn't know I was the only one auditioning for him. The hell do I know?
Thank God. I went, oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. He's like, we were just trying it. This is a turning point though. She doesn't have to do it. Yeah. In his book, he wrote like she needed to trust me. So I needed to show her. Like it was all calculated. I don't think the whole thing. What do I know? Okay. I didn't know I was the only one auditioning for him. The hell do I know?
He'll be the first to say, it's just a pitch. 50% of them don't work.
He'll be the first to say, it's just a pitch. 50% of them don't work.
That was another show. That was a third show.
That was another show. That was a third show.
Well, yeah. Then he was so fantastic because I did this show, The Comeback, and asked him to be Jimmy the director because it was him.
Well, yeah. Then he was so fantastic because I did this show, The Comeback, and asked him to be Jimmy the director because it was him.
To act. And he did it. Had he ever? And he was fantastic. I think no. Oh, wow.
To act. And he did it. Had he ever? And he was fantastic. I think no. Oh, wow.
No, because I'm too grateful.
No, because I'm too grateful.
We also worked hard at being friends. That six-way relationship took some work and we did it.
We also worked hard at being friends. That six-way relationship took some work and we did it.
Really talking things through. If someone said something or did something, it didn't get too big because it was, can I talk to you? Usually not me because I had to learn to be, can I talk to you about something? Yeah. Because I never knew that was allowed, but I saw it modeled really well by Courtney and Jennifer and Matt. Yeah. Communication, like rule number one in any relationship. Yeah.
Really talking things through. If someone said something or did something, it didn't get too big because it was, can I talk to you? Usually not me because I had to learn to be, can I talk to you about something? Yeah. Because I never knew that was allowed, but I saw it modeled really well by Courtney and Jennifer and Matt. Yeah. Communication, like rule number one in any relationship. Yeah.
And respectful communication.
And respectful communication.
Right. Well, I was 30. Right. 30 or 31. 31.
Right. Well, I was 30. Right. 30 or 31. 31.
No, I was, because I was 94. May of 94. July is my birthday, so I wasn't 31. I was 30. Yeah, you were 30. Oh, my God. It's this kind of detail that is fascinating.
No, I was, because I was 94. May of 94. July is my birthday, so I wasn't 31. I was 30. Yeah, you were 30. Oh, my God. It's this kind of detail that is fascinating.
Yeah. No, they hadn't picked it up. By the way, here's what a bad judge of is a show going to be successful or not. I was like, it's cute. Right. I mean, it's not Seinfeld is sort of groundbreaking comedy. I'm just glad it's on NBC because I've got a recurring role on Mad About You. I got to protect that.
Yeah. No, they hadn't picked it up. By the way, here's what a bad judge of is a show going to be successful or not. I was like, it's cute. Right. I mean, it's not Seinfeld is sort of groundbreaking comedy. I'm just glad it's on NBC because I've got a recurring role on Mad About You. I got to protect that.
That's because when they put us on, they put us on right after Mad About You. It ended up being such a great crossover, though.
That's because when they put us on, they put us on right after Mad About You. It ended up being such a great crossover, though.
Or is it also their expectations from this group of me? Yes. So to me, that is very actory or entertaining person who's trying to please or fulfill expectations. I know there's a part of me that just wants to play too.
Or is it also their expectations from this group of me? Yes. So to me, that is very actory or entertaining person who's trying to please or fulfill expectations. I know there's a part of me that just wants to play too.
Oh, my God. No, it was like a once in a huge. Who knew there'd be an Internet and then you can think about it and it would present itself to you again. Exactly.
Oh, my God. No, it was like a once in a huge. Who knew there'd be an Internet and then you can think about it and it would present itself to you again. Exactly.
So special. And it was funny. These people were really funny.
So special. And it was funny. These people were really funny.
Can I offer something that would have been me had I not been on the show?
Can I offer something that would have been me had I not been on the show?
Well, if absolutely everybody loves it, it might not be for me.
Well, if absolutely everybody loves it, it might not be for me.
You think you're different. I've got a different sense of humor. A thousand percent.
You think you're different. I've got a different sense of humor. A thousand percent.
Yeah. I only watched Everybody Loves Raymond during COVID.
Yeah. I only watched Everybody Loves Raymond during COVID.
And then I watched Big Bang Theory and went, oh my God, that Sheldon's the best character I've ever seen in my whole life. Right. Right.
And then I watched Big Bang Theory and went, oh my God, that Sheldon's the best character I've ever seen in my whole life. Right. Right.
I don't know if it was the cool club when I was on Friends. I wasn't watching anything. I was working and was the only one to get married and have a kid.
I don't know if it was the cool club when I was on Friends. I wasn't watching anything. I was working and was the only one to get married and have a kid.
Yeah. Was it? Yeah. We'd get together and watch the episodes and stuff. And then like what you were saying about you have a kid and everything shifts everything. Everything drops about 10 pegs on the list of priorities because it's that transition also into being a parent. I don't transition well, so it takes up a lot of my attention.
Yeah. Was it? Yeah. We'd get together and watch the episodes and stuff. And then like what you were saying about you have a kid and everything shifts everything. Everything drops about 10 pegs on the list of priorities because it's that transition also into being a parent. I don't transition well, so it takes up a lot of my attention.
So if I am in a gathering where there are funny people around and they're doing bits, I want to participate. I also want to see if I can keep up or I'm a little competitive and I think I can do better. I can beat this. I want to see if I can win at this game. And you still feel that way. Yeah, sometimes. And then there's plenty of times where I do feel like go for it. Yeah.
So if I am in a gathering where there are funny people around and they're doing bits, I want to participate. I also want to see if I can keep up or I'm a little competitive and I think I can do better. I can beat this. I want to see if I can win at this game. And you still feel that way. Yeah, sometimes. And then there's plenty of times where I do feel like go for it. Yeah.
And then also that was around the same time I started getting cast in movies while I'm doing Friends and I'm a mother for the first time. And it was just a little too much. That's a lot. Yeah. So I wasn't watching anything. I was done with the what's groundbreaking comedy. And the other big shift for me was after 9-11, I'd be driving back from Warner Brothers.
And then also that was around the same time I started getting cast in movies while I'm doing Friends and I'm a mother for the first time. And it was just a little too much. That's a lot. Yeah. So I wasn't watching anything. I was done with the what's groundbreaking comedy. And the other big shift for me was after 9-11, I'd be driving back from Warner Brothers.
Yeah, we were at Warner Brothers. And people used to stop at a stoplight and go, ah, you know, look at you.
Yeah, we were at Warner Brothers. And people used to stop at a stoplight and go, ah, you know, look at you.
Like very somberly. And that's when... It really sunk in. I couldn't watch CNN anymore because all it was was who died. Yeah. Who was in New York? Who was near the towers? Who was in the towers? Everyone knew someone in the towers. And I had this weird dissociated event. I was watching Will and Grace and I went, oh, yeah. Oh, thank God. I went, oh, wait, but it's in New York.
Like very somberly. And that's when... It really sunk in. I couldn't watch CNN anymore because all it was was who died. Yeah. Who was in New York? Who was near the towers? Who was in the towers? Everyone knew someone in the towers. And I had this weird dissociated event. I was watching Will and Grace and I went, oh, yeah. Oh, thank God. I went, oh, wait, but it's in New York.
Oh, God, who did they know in the towers? And then went, oh, no, no. I'm in TV. I know they shot this before 9-11. So it hasn't happened yet.
Oh, God, who did they know in the towers? And then went, oh, no, no. I'm in TV. I know they shot this before 9-11. So it hasn't happened yet.
And then I went, no, this isn't real. It will have never happened here. Yeah. And it was like, oh, thank God. Thank God I can go somewhere that didn't happen. And that's when any kind of comedy, snobbery, any of that melted away forever because entertainment is important and it's providing a huge mental health service and it is important.
And then I went, no, this isn't real. It will have never happened here. Yeah. And it was like, oh, thank God. Thank God I can go somewhere that didn't happen. And that's when any kind of comedy, snobbery, any of that melted away forever because entertainment is important and it's providing a huge mental health service and it is important.
That's the personal level, too, for me.
That's the personal level, too, for me.
No, but we were always aware. There's the task at hand. We got sort of over publicized. What is overexposed?
No, but we were always aware. There's the task at hand. We got sort of over publicized. What is overexposed?
I couldn't think of overexposed.
I couldn't think of overexposed.
Especially if it's a bunch of stand-ups, stand-up comedians.
Especially if it's a bunch of stand-ups, stand-up comedians.
Yes. Also, we were overexposed. Everyone was excited at the network, at the studio. We were on every talk show. And so then it just became the joke. Matthew Perry was the first one who said, like, we feel like we need to get the word out that we're on, which was insane. And so then we were asked to do some commercial or something else. And we just went so overexposed.
Yes. Also, we were overexposed. Everyone was excited at the network, at the studio. We were on every talk show. And so then it just became the joke. Matthew Perry was the first one who said, like, we feel like we need to get the word out that we're on, which was insane. And so then we were asked to do some commercial or something else. And we just went so overexposed.
And how are we going to fix this? And then it was, we don't need to fix it. They're still watching the show. We just need to focus on the task at hand, which is doing this show and doing it the best we can. And the writers and producers feel the same way. And there were conversations just about, I don't know, is this getting a little too weird? You know, like with the writing.
And how are we going to fix this? And then it was, we don't need to fix it. They're still watching the show. We just need to focus on the task at hand, which is doing this show and doing it the best we can. And the writers and producers feel the same way. And there were conversations just about, I don't know, is this getting a little too weird? You know, like with the writing.
But everyone just got refocused on this. Make it good. Yeah. Don't forget what this is all about.
But everyone just got refocused on this. Make it good. Yeah. Don't forget what this is all about.
I'm getting shaky. It's too much energy. I'm talking too much.
I'm getting shaky. It's too much energy. I'm talking too much.
I'm like convulsing. Is it the nicotine?
I'm like convulsing. Is it the nicotine?
Well, I can't chew and talk.
Well, I can't chew and talk.
Yeah, do whatever. We edit. Okay. Come on now.
Yeah, do whatever. We edit. Okay. Come on now.
I want to pee at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead.
I want to pee at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead.
Why do I feel like I was here before?
Why do I feel like I was here before?
And she had a podcast. Yeah, she did. She had a cat podcast. I'm just remembering doing a podcast. And it was, yeah, you can use the bathroom. And it's like, this is a curtain. Deja vu.
And she had a podcast. Yeah, she did. She had a cat podcast. I'm just remembering doing a podcast. And it was, yeah, you can use the bathroom. And it's like, this is a curtain. Deja vu.
That told you. I feel like an idiot. No. What do you mean? I do believe sometimes things just make themselves known to you.
That told you. I feel like an idiot. No. What do you mean? I do believe sometimes things just make themselves known to you.
I mean, haven't you had things happen that you can't explain and come on?
I mean, haven't you had things happen that you can't explain and come on?
Oh, but this has to come off. Yeah, you'll take that guy off. Oh my God. I'm out of my mind. She's not talking for me.
Oh, but this has to come off. Yeah, you'll take that guy off. Oh my God. I'm out of my mind. She's not talking for me.
No, you're not. No, are you kidding? You're talking enough. Why do these
No, you're not. No, are you kidding? You're talking enough. Why do these
Oh my God, that was so long. So much pee.
Oh my God, that was so long. So much pee.
Wasn't that like five or 10? That was under 60, I think. Wouldn't it be funny if I thought? I think that was about 10 minutes.
Wasn't that like five or 10? That was under 60, I think. Wouldn't it be funny if I thought? I think that was about 10 minutes.
Just like Vosser. Vosser. He must have gone to Vosser. Everyone at Vassar when I was there was like, yeah, I didn't get into Yale.
Just like Vosser. Vosser. He must have gone to Vosser. Everyone at Vassar when I was there was like, yeah, I didn't get into Yale.
Right. And it can get mean if I overstep. I'm inviting some hostility potentially. Interesting. If I question or compete. Oh, sure. Yeah, but it's worse for you. Because I'm a woman. That's true.
Right. And it can get mean if I overstep. I'm inviting some hostility potentially. Interesting. If I question or compete. Oh, sure. Yeah, but it's worse for you. Because I'm a woman. That's true.
I was like, I wonder if maybe we don't know. We're going to talk about that. Actually, because I just chit chat. I genuinely love that.
I was like, I wonder if maybe we don't know. We're going to talk about that. Actually, because I just chit chat. I genuinely love that.
Yeah, it's everything. That was the beginning of online chat stuff. And I could actually go on a computer and read what people are saying and how they're criticizing. Well, two of the three girls are cute, you know, like a lot of that stuff too. And went, oh, okay, this won't help me be good on the show. So I just immediately stopped. You were smart enough to know I'm not looking at that.
Yeah, it's everything. That was the beginning of online chat stuff. And I could actually go on a computer and read what people are saying and how they're criticizing. Well, two of the three girls are cute, you know, like a lot of that stuff too. And went, oh, okay, this won't help me be good on the show. So I just immediately stopped. You were smart enough to know I'm not looking at that.
Because there were some good things, too, that I didn't necessarily agree with. Right. Just rationally thought none of this needs to be taken to heart or too seriously. Very nice when people appreciate what I do. Not everyone will. OK, that was pretty intact.
Because there were some good things, too, that I didn't necessarily agree with. Right. Just rationally thought none of this needs to be taken to heart or too seriously. Very nice when people appreciate what I do. Not everyone will. OK, that was pretty intact.
I do not need to know what people think.
I do not need to know what people think.
That's such a great saying. It is none of my business. But what I have found is it depends on mood isn't even the right word. It's like a frame of mind. And I couldn't even define what that frame of mind is. But I can watch the same thing and think that was funny. Oh, good. And then another day, the same thing and say, why did I think that was good? How have you been getting away? Oh, yeah.
That's such a great saying. It is none of my business. But what I have found is it depends on mood isn't even the right word. It's like a frame of mind. And I couldn't even define what that frame of mind is. But I can watch the same thing and think that was funny. Oh, good. And then another day, the same thing and say, why did I think that was good? How have you been getting away? Oh, yeah.
With doing this for so long, oh my God. Yeah.
With doing this for so long, oh my God. Yeah.
Well, also, if I'm doing a character and I see a glimpse of me, and mostly there's a lot of me in everything I do. Yeah. I can tell the difference. If I watch The Comeback, I have no problem watching that. That's a different human being from me. I'm proud of it. It's all good. Friends, sometimes like, uh-oh, you just did a voice, basically. That wasn't acting. That wasn't anything.
Well, also, if I'm doing a character and I see a glimpse of me, and mostly there's a lot of me in everything I do. Yeah. I can tell the difference. If I watch The Comeback, I have no problem watching that. That's a different human being from me. I'm proud of it. It's all good. Friends, sometimes like, uh-oh, you just did a voice, basically. That wasn't acting. That wasn't anything.
It was just like, I don't know, what? And then I don't want to shit on it because people like it. And I'm not saying you're an idiot for liking it or anything. It's just for me, what I try to do is out of respect, not even just for me, but for people who do like that. Honoring the whole thing. So can you forgive yourself? You didn't think you were so great at the acting.
It was just like, I don't know, what? And then I don't want to shit on it because people like it. And I'm not saying you're an idiot for liking it or anything. It's just for me, what I try to do is out of respect, not even just for me, but for people who do like that. Honoring the whole thing. So can you forgive yourself? You didn't think you were so great at the acting.
It was good enough for a lot of people. And can you just do that?
It was good enough for a lot of people. And can you just do that?
And then the answer is, well, of course I can't.
And then the answer is, well, of course I can't.
But don't you forgive everyone? I mean, performance wise, someone will have just a moment in a performance and I'll go, oh, well, I forgive it because the rest of it is so great. Oh my God. Yep.
But don't you forgive everyone? I mean, performance wise, someone will have just a moment in a performance and I'll go, oh, well, I forgive it because the rest of it is so great. Oh my God. Yep.
The big thing for me now is, I don't even know if I should say it out loud. Of course you should. Can I forgive myself for not having some work done on that face? Can I forgive myself for getting older? and not doing something about it. Because I watch and I'm like, they've got a jawline. Am I supposed to have a jawline?
The big thing for me now is, I don't even know if I should say it out loud. Of course you should. Can I forgive myself for not having some work done on that face? Can I forgive myself for getting older? and not doing something about it. Because I watch and I'm like, they've got a jawline. Am I supposed to have a jawline?
They don't know about the pedigree.
They don't know about the pedigree.
Like even into my 60s, that thing that comes up is, wait, should I? Am I supposed to? Are you allowed?
Like even into my 60s, that thing that comes up is, wait, should I? Am I supposed to? Are you allowed?
Everyone but me seems to be doing this. So should I? Am I allowed not to? Or is it going to be so off-putting it's going to affect people's experience? Interesting. Watching me. I'm trying to be practical about it because clearly I haven't.
Everyone but me seems to be doing this. So should I? Am I allowed not to? Or is it going to be so off-putting it's going to affect people's experience? Interesting. Watching me. I'm trying to be practical about it because clearly I haven't.
About my huge stand-up career before. No, and I did not have a stand-up career ever. But you're a groundling. Well, some people know they don't care because it's not stand-up. By the way, have you noticed, to me, stand-up comedians are so much more serious than comedic actors. They want to analyze comedy and pick it apart and talk really seriously about what they do.
About my huge stand-up career before. No, and I did not have a stand-up career ever. But you're a groundling. Well, some people know they don't care because it's not stand-up. By the way, have you noticed, to me, stand-up comedians are so much more serious than comedic actors. They want to analyze comedy and pick it apart and talk really seriously about what they do.
I think you look exquisite.
I think you look exquisite.
He won't let me do anything.
He won't let me do anything.
And then you do it and you're like, I like it.
And then you do it and you're like, I like it.
Well, I did get Botox at age 60. At 60 for the first time. I went to the doctor and he's like, wait a minute, I've never checked the box for a first time in LA. You're unique. And then I hear unique is a euphemism for idiot?
Well, I did get Botox at age 60. At 60 for the first time. I went to the doctor and he's like, wait a minute, I've never checked the box for a first time in LA. You're unique. And then I hear unique is a euphemism for idiot?
Well, another part of me wants people to then just get used to me older. Of course.
Well, another part of me wants people to then just get used to me older. Of course.
It's not pride. I'm walking through this. Because I don't judge anyone for doing it. I get it. And a lot of people look fantastic. Sure. But... I also am afraid that if it doesn't heal right. Yeah, it's scary. I look older and not like you.
It's not pride. I'm walking through this. Because I don't judge anyone for doing it. I get it. And a lot of people look fantastic. Sure. But... I also am afraid that if it doesn't heal right. Yeah, it's scary. I look older and not like you.
Why is that owed? It's not young. It's maintained. Interesting. Because once there's work that is not trying to make you look 20, AI can do that for me. But it's just making you look looked after, cared for. Kept up. Yeah.
Why is that owed? It's not young. It's maintained. Interesting. Because once there's work that is not trying to make you look 20, AI can do that for me. But it's just making you look looked after, cared for. Kept up. Yeah.
Yeah. Injections are the safest thing to do.
Yeah. Injections are the safest thing to do.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened.
He's like, what's going on with your jaw? It felt like it was okay for some reason.
He's like, what's going on with your jaw? It felt like it was okay for some reason.
family and friends no i think it was always if you're gonna be an actor the hope is that you make enough to not do another job this was like the show's really good and you're good but this is winning a lottery that's how it was sort of looked at but you mean like asking for money and doing stuff if it did i'm not remembering yeah that's what's not registering to me
family and friends no i think it was always if you're gonna be an actor the hope is that you make enough to not do another job this was like the show's really good and you're good but this is winning a lottery that's how it was sort of looked at but you mean like asking for money and doing stuff if it did i'm not remembering yeah that's what's not registering to me
I don't remember what I was even going to say, because I thought of one thing and then another thing knocked it out. But there was something.
I don't remember what I was even going to say, because I thought of one thing and then another thing knocked it out. But there was something.
Okay. I know what it was. Okay. The thing is, I think for all of us, and especially at that time, right? It's like 20 years ago. That's when it was money being- The last two years. Yeah. That it's, I don't want people to know that. And for me, the biggest impact was at my son's schools. As he was getting older, our society was moving into what's privilege class, where we're
Okay. I know what it was. Okay. The thing is, I think for all of us, and especially at that time, right? It's like 20 years ago. That's when it was money being- The last two years. Yeah. That it's, I don't want people to know that. And for me, the biggest impact was at my son's schools. As he was getting older, our society was moving into what's privilege class, where we're
The other people in his school had assumptions about his family based on what's been known. Public knowledge, yeah.
The other people in his school had assumptions about his family based on what's been known. Public knowledge, yeah.
Not once, but right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, what they didn't know was that some of their other classmates' families...
Not once, but right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, what they didn't know was that some of their other classmates' families...
Billionaires. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. But it's not known. My son's getting a lot of shit for being privileged. And then it was, hey, cool. I thought you'd get a new car. You got the old soccer mom car.
Billionaires. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. But it's not known. My son's getting a lot of shit for being privileged. And then it was, hey, cool. I thought you'd get a new car. You got the old soccer mom car.
Sure. And I mean, I don't need anyone feeling bad for me. Let's say that.
Sure. And I mean, I don't need anyone feeling bad for me. Let's say that.
You're still a person. Yes. Oh, I know what you're saying. Sometimes there's been hints of, you know, if there's a stressful time around something personal, sometimes I feel a whisper of, well...
You're still a person. Yes. Oh, I know what you're saying. Sometimes there's been hints of, you know, if there's a stressful time around something personal, sometimes I feel a whisper of, well...
And then it's just, of course, that's what's plaguing you right now. Maybe I need to have a little more empathy about that. But the only time ever I did a Who Do You Think You Are? Because I produced the show and I was the first one to shoot it. And I'm in Belarus and learning about how my family was killed by death squads during the Holocaust.
And then it's just, of course, that's what's plaguing you right now. Maybe I need to have a little more empathy about that. But the only time ever I did a Who Do You Think You Are? Because I produced the show and I was the first one to shoot it. And I'm in Belarus and learning about how my family was killed by death squads during the Holocaust.
Great-grandmother. And kids and family and the whole town. And so I'm learning about that. And I'm talking to this old woman who had been there. She's not Jewish. That's why she survived. And I'm just surrounded by this whole darkness of it and getting slightly angry. So this woman in between shooting in Russian and she just said, you're from America? Yeah. You have nice teeth. And I went, yeah.
Great-grandmother. And kids and family and the whole town. And so I'm learning about that. And I'm talking to this old woman who had been there. She's not Jewish. That's why she survived. And I'm just surrounded by this whole darkness of it and getting slightly angry. So this woman in between shooting in Russian and she just said, you're from America? Yeah. You have nice teeth. And I went, yeah.
She didn't have any teeth at all in her head. I said, yeah. And she said, you're rich?
She didn't have any teeth at all in her head. I said, yeah. And she said, you're rich?
And I said, yes. Yes, I am. Yeah. It's kind of undeniable. Yes, I am. Yeah.
And I said, yes. Yes, I am. Yeah. It's kind of undeniable. Yes, I am. Yeah.
I'm so proud of that at this moment. Yes. Because all these people were murdered and then my grandmother, they came over, they had nothing. And you're still here. Here you are and you're rich. And that. Yes. It was the only time in my life that I felt like, yes. Yeah. I'm rich.
I'm so proud of that at this moment. Yes. Because all these people were murdered and then my grandmother, they came over, they had nothing. And you're still here. Here you are and you're rich. And that. Yes. It was the only time in my life that I felt like, yes. Yeah. I'm rich.
I've never been, I don't know if I can handle it. And I could barely handle that. But I was really surprised by my reaction to being around someone who survived it, then later came back and placed a monument where the mass grave was. I was standing there and thinking, God, all these people were killed.
I've never been, I don't know if I can handle it. And I could barely handle that. But I was really surprised by my reaction to being around someone who survived it, then later came back and placed a monument where the mass grave was. I was standing there and thinking, God, all these people were killed.
And then there were the people who were shooting who have to have had moments later on where they went, what did I do? I'm sure a lot of them just went, Jews, they had a coming. But how many lives were ruined? On all sides.
And then there were the people who were shooting who have to have had moments later on where they went, what did I do? I'm sure a lot of them just went, Jews, they had a coming. But how many lives were ruined? On all sides.
I was never a crowd pleaser. I don't even know how I got into the main company because I didn't do the kind of stuff audiences liked.
I was never a crowd pleaser. I don't even know how I got into the main company because I didn't do the kind of stuff audiences liked.
Even if for like five minutes when that veil is lifted, it's torture. And then they can go back and tell themselves the same story to get through it. And these weren't Nazis either, necessarily. A lot of times it was local police who were happy to help. Anyway, sorry. We just got there. My last friend's question. You see? Made a dinner party.
Even if for like five minutes when that veil is lifted, it's torture. And then they can go back and tell themselves the same story to get through it. And these weren't Nazis either, necessarily. A lot of times it was local police who were happy to help. Anyway, sorry. We just got there. My last friend's question. You see? Made a dinner party.
Isn't it funny? We like this part. That's what we'd like to do. Yeah.
Isn't it funny? We like this part. That's what we'd like to do. Yeah.
Well, there's that too. Yeah, that's a good element of it.
Well, there's that too. Yeah, that's a good element of it.
I didn't. First couple of seasons, we'd go to Courtney's and watch it every Wednesday, every Thursday night. I almost said the wrong night. Yeah, must see. I was just making up a word. It's like, it's every week, every, I don't know. Just make up a word. Every Saturday morning we get together. Wednesday is a day.
I didn't. First couple of seasons, we'd go to Courtney's and watch it every Wednesday, every Thursday night. I almost said the wrong night. Yeah, must see. I was just making up a word. It's like, it's every week, every, I don't know. Just make up a word. Every Saturday morning we get together. Wednesday is a day.
For example, every Wednesday, whatever it was on. I don't know. Whatever. Thursday night. We'd watch it every week and then too busy. And I was pregnant. I don't know. I just stopped watching. And there are episodes I've never seen. Wow.
For example, every Wednesday, whatever it was on. I don't know. Whatever. Thursday night. We'd watch it every week and then too busy. And I was pregnant. I don't know. I just stopped watching. And there are episodes I've never seen. Wow.
Well, when Matthew passed away, I started watching. I mean, there were marathons and was part of the process for me. And boy, I really appreciated it and how fun. Well, I knew he was funny always anyway.
Well, when Matthew passed away, I started watching. I mean, there were marathons and was part of the process for me. And boy, I really appreciated it and how fun. Well, I knew he was funny always anyway.
For no other reason than to torture Cullen. But he just was so funny. And I'm like, God, LeBlanc is hilarious. Oh, Jennifer, my God, that's so good.
For no other reason than to torture Cullen. But he just was so funny. And I'm like, God, LeBlanc is hilarious. Oh, Jennifer, my God, that's so good.
Come on, Courtney. How are you never nominated for an Emmy? That's insane. And Schwimmer. Yes. Oh, my God. Come on. It was just this whole appreciation. I went, I've got to watch all of them. Yeah.
Come on, Courtney. How are you never nominated for an Emmy? That's insane. And Schwimmer. Yes. Oh, my God. Come on. It was just this whole appreciation. I went, I've got to watch all of them. Yeah.
I cried when there was a marathon on and I caught, I mean, I'm not watching it like on max from season one. I tried. I don't know if I can do season one, but maybe season two or three. Can we watch and watch? Okay. And then something about me was like, I can't.
I cried when there was a marathon on and I caught, I mean, I'm not watching it like on max from season one. I tried. I don't know if I can do season one, but maybe season two or three. Can we watch and watch? Okay. And then something about me was like, I can't.
Yeah, but I feel like I need to watch all of them. So anyway, the episode where Phoebe got married is on and I'm watching it and I got so caught up that I cried watching her because she looked so happy. Yeah, she was so happy. She had such a real smile. She was just, I've never seen Phoebe that happy. You could remove yourself. It's she. Yeah. It's for sure she. It's for sure she. Yeah.
Yeah, but I feel like I need to watch all of them. So anyway, the episode where Phoebe got married is on and I'm watching it and I got so caught up that I cried watching her because she looked so happy. Yeah, she was so happy. She had such a real smile. She was just, I've never seen Phoebe that happy. You could remove yourself. It's she. Yeah. It's for sure she. It's for sure she. Yeah.
Who wouldn't be happy marrying Paul Rudd? Well, and then there's that.
Who wouldn't be happy marrying Paul Rudd? Well, and then there's that.
But did you cry when she got married?
But did you cry when she got married?
That's where I start chewing my gum.
That's where I start chewing my gum.
This is where I need my nicotine.
This is where I need my nicotine.
Right. I, this will sound odd, am more comforted that he was happy the day he died. He got to die happy. And to me, that was a gift. It could have gone a much different way.
Right. I, this will sound odd, am more comforted that he was happy the day he died. He got to die happy. And to me, that was a gift. It could have gone a much different way.
I don't know if I fit that category either. Who were you there? What kind of things were you doing? I did your favorite actress on a talk show. It became a character I did in The Comeback, this HBO show. But I loved that character monologue. I loved doing those.
I don't know if I fit that category either. Who were you there? What kind of things were you doing? I did your favorite actress on a talk show. It became a character I did in The Comeback, this HBO show. But I loved that character monologue. I loved doing those.
Yeah, it is complicated, you know, but I loved that Matthew I first met and the one at the end because God love him. This is you and I love you. Yeah, I accept that this is you. Yeah, I understand. And so did he.
Yeah, it is complicated, you know, but I loved that Matthew I first met and the one at the end because God love him. This is you and I love you. Yeah, I accept that this is you. Yeah, I understand. And so did he.
Yes. I thought the sentence was going to finish a different way.
Yes. I thought the sentence was going to finish a different way.
I've spent so much of my life making everybody around me like me.
I've spent so much of my life making everybody around me like me.
But it's not like, what do you like about yourself? It's accept yourself, love yourself. That was, to me, the whole thing about fame isn't going to give you that. Just because everyone else is loving you.
But it's not like, what do you like about yourself? It's accept yourself, love yourself. That was, to me, the whole thing about fame isn't going to give you that. Just because everyone else is loving you.
It exacerbates it. But the answer is simply, you're not only allowed to love yourself, you've got to. You're all you've got. Ultimately, it's so nice that people love you, but it doesn't work if you don't love you.
It exacerbates it. But the answer is simply, you're not only allowed to love yourself, you've got to. You're all you've got. Ultimately, it's so nice that people love you, but it doesn't work if you don't love you.
Oh, interesting. Wow. Exciting.
Oh, interesting. Wow. Exciting.
Oh, my God. It all goes back to the groundlings every time.
Oh, my God. It all goes back to the groundlings every time.
Which was Christine Applegate, Linda Cardellini.
Which was Christine Applegate, Linda Cardellini.
No. I was just told, so we have an offer for you to do this Netflix show. Interesting. Tell me more. It's limited series, which you can do, because I was committed to something else at the time. I went, okay. It's Liz Feldman, who did, I said, Dead to Me.
No. I was just told, so we have an offer for you to do this Netflix show. Interesting. Tell me more. It's limited series, which you can do, because I was committed to something else at the time. I went, okay. It's Liz Feldman, who did, I said, Dead to Me.
I know. Well, this sounds like a yes. Well, let's tell you a little more. You'll be married to Ray Romano. Well, of course, yes. Yeah. He's such a good actor.
I know. Well, this sounds like a yes. Well, let's tell you a little more. You'll be married to Ray Romano. Well, of course, yes. Yeah. He's such a good actor.
Yeah, but not game improv. I liked, I did this thing, Transformers, where it's sort of longer form and you do a scene and then it gets silent, whatever. I guess it's called miming to people listening who might not know. But whatever space work you're doing, it starts transforming as a group. You're all in sync and you turn it from baling hay to a rodeo lasso or something.
Yeah, but not game improv. I liked, I did this thing, Transformers, where it's sort of longer form and you do a scene and then it gets silent, whatever. I guess it's called miming to people listening who might not know. But whatever space work you're doing, it starts transforming as a group. You're all in sync and you turn it from baling hay to a rodeo lasso or something.
You were keeping that very tight. I should have said that before. No, it's probably best. There wasn't a moment.
You were keeping that very tight. I should have said that before. No, it's probably best. There wasn't a moment.
I was going to and then I forgot. Remember how I kept saying there's something I want to say and I can't remember what it is?
I was going to and then I forgot. Remember how I kept saying there's something I want to say and I can't remember what it is?
Yes. Heartbreaking. He's so good.
Yes. Heartbreaking. He's so good.
Which was your whole story.
Which was your whole story.
Yes. Did you see that Netflix movie, him and Mark Duplass? I can't remember what it was called because the name of it has nothing to do with what it was about. Thank you. Paddleton. Paddleton. Oh, maybe that was someone's name. But to me, that has nothing to do with what it was about. And that was just world changing to me.
Yes. Did you see that Netflix movie, him and Mark Duplass? I can't remember what it was called because the name of it has nothing to do with what it was about. Thank you. Paddleton. Paddleton. Oh, maybe that was someone's name. But to me, that has nothing to do with what it was about. And that was just world changing to me.
Effortless. So I was thrilled.
Effortless. So I was thrilled.
Me too. It's perfectly beautiful. That was a set on two stages. The first floor is on one stage. Second floor is on another stage.
Me too. It's perfectly beautiful. That was a set on two stages. The first floor is on one stage. Second floor is on another stage.
Is that all we can say? And there's some secrets. There's a lot of secrets going on.
Is that all we can say? And there's some secrets. There's a lot of secrets going on.
To me, the woman I'm playing has got to be unstable because that's nothing like me.
To me, the woman I'm playing has got to be unstable because that's nothing like me.
Well, home are the people you're with. That's true. And you claim a space. So wherever we live next, I'll claim it. It'll be ours. It's fine. Here's the weird thing that caught me by surprise. My brother and sister and I found out that our house that we grew up in, in Tarzana, was for sale and there was an open house. Oh. And let's just go. And the three of us went to the house.
Well, home are the people you're with. That's true. And you claim a space. So wherever we live next, I'll claim it. It'll be ours. It's fine. Here's the weird thing that caught me by surprise. My brother and sister and I found out that our house that we grew up in, in Tarzana, was for sale and there was an open house. Oh. And let's just go. And the three of us went to the house.
And I thought, I can afford to buy it, I think. Should I just buy it? Yeah. I should just buy it. I want it back. I think I should buy it. Yeah, yeah.
And I thought, I can afford to buy it, I think. Should I just buy it? Yeah. I should just buy it. I want it back. I think I should buy it. Yeah, yeah.
Do you buy it? No. Oh. Because at first, it was like, I want it back. We were having so much fun. It's like, yes. Oh, my God. And that's the same. And remember, we blank. And we did that. And oh, remember the time I got thrown across the room? And yeah.
Do you buy it? No. Oh. Because at first, it was like, I want it back. We were having so much fun. It's like, yes. Oh, my God. And that's the same. And remember, we blank. And we did that. And oh, remember the time I got thrown across the room? And yeah.
This is where dad used to hang his belt. We were having the best time. But by the time we were sort of done touring it.
This is where dad used to hang his belt. We were having the best time. But by the time we were sort of done touring it.
I was done. This is for someone else's memories.
I was done. This is for someone else's memories.
Yeah. And then your new characters, they were really good improvisers in that. I was really happy. I was the only girl.
Yeah. And then your new characters, they were really good improvisers in that. I was really happy. I was the only girl.
It's what you cared about while you were playing that game.
It's what you cared about while you were playing that game.
That's great. I don't have objectivity. I watched the first one and immediately forgot I was in it. And when I can't wait to see the next one. So that to me was a great sign. That's a huge sign.
That's great. I don't have objectivity. I watched the first one and immediately forgot I was in it. And when I can't wait to see the next one. So that to me was a great sign. That's a huge sign.
By the way, blew through your wife's show. Who didn't? Everyone did.
By the way, blew through your wife's show. Who didn't? Everyone did.
That's fantastic because it's a romantic comedy.
That's fantastic because it's a romantic comedy.
That is the best news I've ever heard. I mean, truly, right? My husband loved it. Well, there you go. He said, can we watch more of that? I was like, yeah. That's not what he sounds like. I don't know who I just did.
That is the best news I've ever heard. I mean, truly, right? My husband loved it. Well, there you go. He said, can we watch more of that? I was like, yeah. That's not what he sounds like. I don't know who I just did.
No, I wouldn't mind watching more of that one. It's okay. He's foreign.
No, I wouldn't mind watching more of that one. It's okay. He's foreign.
When I was in high school. Yeah.
When I was in high school. Yeah.
French women probably instruct. Oh, okay. That's you going.
French women probably instruct. Oh, okay. That's you going.
It's my publicist. Of course. How'd that go? Why haven't you left yet?
It's my publicist. Of course. How'd that go? Why haven't you left yet?
Ha ha ha. That's hilarious.
Ha ha ha. That's hilarious.
Oh, I can't wait for you to meet everybody. But this was such a treat.
Oh, I can't wait for you to meet everybody. But this was such a treat.
Maybe back in the day, they would say they went to Vosser.
Maybe back in the day, they would say they went to Vosser.
I was thrilled to go to Vassar. I thought, yes, I'm going to be a lady. Only ladies go to Vassar. And I get there and I find out, oh, these were like the wild ones. Really? Really?
I was thrilled to go to Vassar. I thought, yes, I'm going to be a lady. Only ladies go to Vassar. And I get there and I find out, oh, these were like the wild ones. Really? Really?
Very artistic and sort of rebellious and went their own way. You know, we're not mainstream. It opened in 1861, which is the start of the Civil War.
Very artistic and sort of rebellious and went their own way. You know, we're not mainstream. It opened in 1861, which is the start of the Civil War.
I think the first to offer science for women to learn.
I think the first to offer science for women to learn.
Women should not be trusted with science.
Women should not be trusted with science.
So you already are going to have a lot of people who are sending their daughters there who are not in the mainstream.
So you already are going to have a lot of people who are sending their daughters there who are not in the mainstream.
I think the first year of graduating class of men was like 72, three, four.
I think the first year of graduating class of men was like 72, three, four.
In junior high, I did because I liked going to summer school. I liked having something to do. And I took a play production thing and we wrote sketches and it was so fun and I could do it well.
In junior high, I did because I liked going to summer school. I liked having something to do. And I took a play production thing and we wrote sketches and it was so fun and I could do it well.
No, that is not something that if you're going to be an adult, you do. I decided.
No, that is not something that if you're going to be an adult, you do. I decided.
Yeah, how many years apart?
Yeah, how many years apart?
I don't know about myself. You're going to enjoy this. I also don't know who that is. You don't know who EZE is?
I don't know about myself. You're going to enjoy this. I also don't know who that is. You don't know who EZE is?
Out in Woodland Hills, yeah. Maybe he got bussed there or something?
Out in Woodland Hills, yeah. Maybe he got bussed there or something?
Okay. No help. By the way, no, I had three friends in high school.
Okay. No help. By the way, no, I had three friends in high school.
Your first year in high school was sophomore year. And for five minutes, I thought, OK, I'm going to try to be a cheerleader. I'm going to try to be part of everything. The scene. So I went to all the rehearsals and I learned the thing for cheerleading squad. And then I didn't realize to try out that's in front of whoever shows up and wants to watch. And I just went, oh, no.
Your first year in high school was sophomore year. And for five minutes, I thought, OK, I'm going to try to be a cheerleader. I'm going to try to be part of everything. The scene. So I went to all the rehearsals and I learned the thing for cheerleading squad. And then I didn't realize to try out that's in front of whoever shows up and wants to watch. And I just went, oh, no.
Well, now, no, I do not want to be a cheerleader. And then you have to run and be elected and you have to campaign. I'm out. Not for me. No, because you're shy. It was too embarrassing. Nothing good is going to come of that.
Well, now, no, I do not want to be a cheerleader. And then you have to run and be elected and you have to campaign. I'm out. Not for me. No, because you're shy. It was too embarrassing. Nothing good is going to come of that.
How tall are you? How tall are you? Like 5'8", 5'7 1⁄2". That's tall.
How tall are you? How tall are you? Like 5'8", 5'7 1⁄2". That's tall.
Or you're an actress and you're the only tall actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dax.
Or you're an actress and you're the only tall actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dax.
I know. He just worked with Ray Romano. And I didn't know he was that tall because of Brad Garrett. But he's like 6'2 or 6'3.
I know. He just worked with Ray Romano. And I didn't know he was that tall because of Brad Garrett. But he's like 6'2 or 6'3.
But he's next to Conan. His whole career. Yes. Oh, my God.
But he's next to Conan. His whole career. Yes. Oh, my God.
Sorry, 6'1, 2. Yeah. Yeah, 6'12.
Sorry, 6'1, 2. Yeah. Yeah, 6'12.
Okay, so in high school, you had three friends. Four. Four.
Okay, so in high school, you had three friends. Four. Four.
I felt bad that I left out one of them. No, I'm thinking of the girls. There were four of us. So I had three friends. Wait, one, two, three, no, four. There were five of us. I am fun at a dinner party.
I felt bad that I left out one of them. No, I'm thinking of the girls. There were four of us. So I had three friends. Wait, one, two, three, no, four. There were five of us. I am fun at a dinner party.
Oh, so it was a long time ago. 20 years ago. Okay.
Oh, so it was a long time ago. 20 years ago. Okay.
Yes. And Jim Burroughs was there.
Yes. And Jim Burroughs was there.
And somebody showed up a little late with a woman. I don't know if you'll clock this too. Maybe you won't. But this woman who I just went, what the hell? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What version? Why is this happening right now? Like, how does that exist? Like, did it look like a sex worker? This person that was just sort of.
And somebody showed up a little late with a woman. I don't know if you'll clock this too. Maybe you won't. But this woman who I just went, what the hell? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What version? Why is this happening right now? Like, how does that exist? Like, did it look like a sex worker? This person that was just sort of.
And then I saw that person a few years later on one of the Housewives. Interesting. On a show. And I went, okay. Interesting. But I can be sort of judgmental. And someone comes in and they're just like, riffraff. You know? Yeah.
Riffraff's a bad word, I think. Yeah, is it?
Like racist or something? Oh God, I hope not.
I don't know because I know I've seen things. Yeah, words are canceled now. We have to look it up.
No, but even like back then, I saw it in an old movie where it's like, oh, they're an actor. All actors are riffraff. And then it came up in something else and someone was like, don't say that. That's a horrible thing to say. Oh, really? And I went, riffraff? It doesn't sound like really bad. Yeah, it doesn't. Okay, we got clearance. Oh, good. What's the origin?
And Chuck Lorre was there too, I think. Oh, wow, Dax, you missed a lot of people.
I don't remember that many times. Okay.
That would make me very nervous.
Please let's hear their defense.
And then my anxiety will go away.
I'm working on the in defense. It was the burger part.
How was I to know I wasn't- And there were people in the house, so they went in. And they probably thought- Like other people are in. I guess it's inside and outside. I'm getting chilly. Yep. Should we just go inside?
Right, but they were inside.
We were out of the house. I'm just trying to say that it's all fine. It's okay. It's okay. No one meant any harm. No. Mostly it's good people in the world. Let's just keep telling ourselves that, right? And at some point we're all going to die anyway, and it's all going to be okay. Totally.
So people probably fucked in our bedroom. We're not doing that anymore. Let that be the worst thing.
No, that is how it was. Because junior high, I thought, oof, we're all supposed to be popular. That's supposed to happen developmentally, right? See, again, why I'm not fun at a dinner party.
Because I want to get into the evolutionary behavioral things about it. In your history. Yeah, you're generous.
Why do you think that happens? Right.
And that, yeah, is very important evolutionarily. Modeling, playing out scenarios, having a plan. The world is scary if we can't do that. Right. Don't we all do that? No. Happy people do not do that.
I don't know. Yes, to just be fine with what is. And then something comes up, you'll deal with it. I can be that person sometimes. Very happy when I am. But today, I mean, I have to say it's election day. So everything is just like, all right, what's going to happen? What should we prepare for? Oh, my God. Right.
I'm going to focus on getting myself to where I think I need to be. And that is college somewhere on the East Coast and not here in Southern California.
My head's full of 10 different things. You walked in today and I went, Jesus, he looks so good. Gorgeous.
It happens with men, too, by the way. Have you seen The Substance? No. What is it?
Is it scary? Yeah. Then I will not see that movie.
She doesn't want to go back. Is she back in time?
Oh, and she says, no, I don't want to go back to being old.
It's church right now. Right. Women can't and shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because it's not just about procreation anymore.
That's the chilling, terrifying thing. By the way, you know the movie here? No. Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Robert Zemeckis. It's going through time and they shot it and they could actually shoot the scene and then look at the playback of them as younger and it's ready for them to see.
And all I got from that was, this is an endorsement for AI and oh my God. It's not like, oh, it's going to ruin everything.
What will there be left for, forget actors, but what about up and coming actors? They'll just be licensing and recycling.
Yeah, and then set that completely aside. What work will there be for human beings?
Oh, you do talk about that? Oh, yeah. And then what? So there'll be some kind of living stipend for people? There'll be no work. How can it possibly be enough?
Look it, I'm shaking. I know you are. I don't know if it's chilly in here. There's a blanket.
Maybe. First of all, you're sitting on a blanket.
And it made you happy? Okay.
Okay, thanks. I just won't gesture anymore.
This is our night-night time now. 99! Put her to sleep. Stay in your bedroom tonight. Put her to sleep. This is a drag. This isn't working out.
Oh, please tell me the full part.
That's the fallacy. Yeah. Right. Okay. Because you said that's the healing power of fame.
It's an equalizer. That's for sure. So what you're saying is so people will.
Be miserable. But then what they're going to see is being here on this planet in this life is about something else. It's not about what I do. It's about who I love and who loves me. It's about connecting. It's about being part of a community. But a community doing what?
Painting. It doesn't have to be for a result. The domestic robot will do that better. Oh, it will be better. The artist robots will do it better.
Right. But haven't you been on vacation?
No, I don't feel like that.
Yeah. Everyone needs an occupation. I don't mean a professional occupation. I mean, you need something to occupy your time and you need to decide what's fulfilling and what isn't.
But you're saying that'll be solved. And I'm saying, I don't know what government can afford to solve that on a satisfactory level.
Population decline. Sure. That's a terrible joke. Because it's not funny. If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, get in touch with this hotline. Yes. That's right. Trigger warning.
I'd need to see an episode of that. Maybe there was one on Star Trek or a good writer is going to have to play that out for me to see. I'll get back to you.
I was able to do it myself. Okay, good. I'm like Harry Houdini. Somehow I was able to score my hand under the loose blanket.
I can't. I had a feeling. I need my gum.
Yeah, I grew up with John Lovitz. He and my brother, best friends. And he grew up in Encino as well? Tarzana. And he was at our house all the time.
I let him know after college I decided I should try acting because I always was interested, but threw it away. After I graduated, I realized... wait a minute, don't have any regrets later. I know you plan to get married and have kids and all of that, but you might regret not ever even trying. So know for sure why you didn't pursue acting. So I let
Love It's No after I graduated because he got on Saturday Night Live. And before that, I thought, oh, it's only a magical few that are touched. Certainly no one who looks like me. But I saw him just pounding away forever in college. He was a theater major. He wanted to be an actor. And oh, dear God, how's that? It's so hard.
And then he got on Saturday Night Live and I thought, oh, it's his reality. I wonder if I should try. So I let him know and he said, go to Groundlings. That's where I learned the most for acting. That's been the best preparation.
I wasn't allowed to even audition because I called them and said, John Levitz told me to call, which may have been like a fucking guy got on to Saturday Night Live, you know. Okay. Well, when's the last time you performed or acted? And I said, junior high. And I said, great. We're sending you someplace else. Oh.
See Cynthia Seghetti, who taught improv and she had a class she taught at the Coronet Theater.
Yeah. The other person in that class was Conan O'Brien. He also was sent to Cynthia Seghetti. Oh my God. And by the way, I've told this before, but I was going to quit. I went to one class of Cynthia's. Conan wasn't there. Everyone there just felt like, oh, not for me.
These are actory people. I thought comedy would be less serious and phony. They were really overdoing it with emotional adjustments. I was like, this is just embarrassing.
This is like cheerleading. You've been embarrassed for people for quite a long time. And I didn't want to be part of that.
Well, except when. So the next week I was like, do I go back? I should go. Just go. Come on. And I was a little late and they were already up there doing lift a disc or space ball or whatever it was. Now throw it. And you're angry. Everyone's angry. Angry now. People are throwing it. And they're like, grrr. So embarrassing. And then there was Conan. I didn't know him. He was really tall, red hair.
And he was throwing it. And he was angry. But he wasn't making a meal of it. I got it. And then Cynthia said, good commitment. And I went, that's what commitment means? I can do that. And so I just made a beeline for him when it was all over. And like, hi, I'm Lisa.
Well. Pretty soon, we will be dating. Not really. Best friends. For how long?
Eight years. And then tried that for... After eight years of friendship? Three months. And then, no.
I mean, it worked out. We weren't supposed to be. They were meant to be, yeah.
Yeah, because it's a completely different relationship and we're better as friends. So that was just a weird blip.
If the praise is coming for like indicating anger or, oh, I'm sad. I'm not buying it. It's bad. Right.
The teacher is really just trying to make people feel safe and comfortable. Right. And so for me, it was, well, how will I ever be able to trust her? I'm going to think I'm great. And then I'm going to have horrible habits. I'm just going to become good at being bad. Right. That's not what I am hoping to learn to do.
And then I need an example. I learn best by example. So what does it look like when you're doing it right? Because Robert De Niro isn't doing Spaceball or Lift a Disc right now for me to see.
Okay, yeah. Well, because Conan was, was. I mean, has always been. Yeah. And that's not a lie. The funniest person I'd ever met.
I don't do it, but my husband does. Oh, he does. You get it here?
Yeah. And we'd go to parties like, well, he's the best to bring to a party because he makes everyone so comfortable. He's so hilarious. And he's, I think, one of the smartest people I've ever met.
Yeah, we got accepted into paying them money for the basic class. We were allowed to do that, but we weren't in the same class. And everyone knew we were close friends. I always suspected that had something to do with if people thought there was anything good about me because I sort of had Conan's endorsement and he was already really respected. He was going to get in.
He was in the advanced class. Is that called third level? I don't know. The advanced class.
And from there, you get voted into the Sunday company. And you do two sort of showcases. After that first performance in that advanced class, he and his writing partner, Greg Daniels, What? Yeah, you didn't know that? I don't think I knew that. Or did I? Maybe I forgot. You fucking dumbass. Can we just do this whole thing about Conan and Greg?
No, but they got invited to write on Saturday Night Live.
Saturday Night Live. So they had to go to New York.
And that's why Conan wasn't a groundling.
I didn't get an official audition. I was just told Lorraine Newman had seen me at the Groundlings and she thought I was good.
No, but she let me know. She let them know to pay attention or come see me. They were coming out to look at Julia Sweeney. And I think she was letting them know, look at her too.
It made me nervous because that was going to be life-changing.
I wasn't going to say no to that. But it wasn't your only... You wanted to act and be in things. I thought I should probably be on a sitcom. I mean, I wasn't getting any auditions or anything at that point at all. And Saturday Night Live was good, too. Yeah.
I'm just so happy I'm not getting judged for still using nicotine.
Oh my God. You'll take it. It's one of the coolest.
And I remember calling Conan because he was writing there. And I said, can you put in a good word or anything? He was like, no, because that's a different no.
Also, he may have known. I kind of look at Julia Sweeney. That's kind of the entire story.
They were in the audience. And I thought I'm having it. They're here to see me, too.
No, but I'm usually wrong. I don't remember things well. I just know, yeah, Julius Sweeney. That's all I know.
Because most people say, well, you got to get off that. Why? Yeah. Because they don't know. Yeah.
But I know because I was a groundling. I voted in Will Ferrell. Oh. Get out.
Yeah, that wasn't even a question for anyone voting. Everything you need here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Ferrell.
Did you know this? No, I did, but I don't know what year. Okay.
That's why I got voted in. I was in a play. No, I was in a play. Ladies Room. That Robin Schiff, who was a groundling, she wrote it. It was really successful. And then I got to be in a movie with Teresa Russell, directed by Sandra Locke. I got cut out of it, but it was not comedy either. And I got to audition for so many things. Because of a sketch? Because of that play. Oh, wow. A play.
At the Tiffany Theater, which was the Equity Waiver Theater in L.A. And it ran forever. And it was me and this girl, Christy Miller, who was also in the Groundling program. Christy Miller. Christy.
Christy Miller. And at first, the characters were called Airhead One, Airhead Two. We were a total of like five minutes in and out of the stage. Then the play is backed by Aaron Spelling and Douglas Kramer. Oh, wow. They give the characters names Romy and Michelle. Stop.
So much later. Oh my God. So much later. There's a bad pilot with Romy and Michelle that Spelling Kramer made. It's not great. Okay. Because I realized I kept saying so bad and that's unkind.
That's what my research has shown.
Oh my God. That's before Cheers.
Either right before or around the same time, because I knew one of them, I wasn't a SAG pilot. member. So you had to get two jobs. I had to get Taft, Hartley, and then join or something like that. So it was Cheers and Romy and Michelle, but it was called Temporarily Yours. Wow.
That's why I got into Groundlings. Because you had done... I was ready to hand it over to I think because I was friends with Conan. I think it's because you were good.
Yeah. Oh, good. Right. That's not the problem. It was the delivery system. That's the problem. Tobacco is the best delivery system. The dosage was really perfect. How long did you partake in that delivery system? 20 years. Nice. Yeah. And then 20 years of this. I'm 20 years on this too.
No, it's not that I think I was bad.
Yes. I mean, I do know Piers thought... That's funny. But I was not a crowd pleaser with the growling audience. I wasn't doing like fright wigs and blackened teeth, you know. Right. Yeah, you were embarrassed by that. I wasn't. I mean. I would have been. I did one sort of like that. If people can see your face. One time. You're almost throwing up. You're kind of holding back a moment. One time.
But I was trying to be clever, by the way. Pat Sajak had a late night show. Oh, yes.
A talk show. For a minute. And he was going to start having sketches. And so they wanted Groundlings to come do sketches. So they came to watch a show. And the director of the main company at the time, I was smoking and I was going to go get cigarettes. He goes, let me walk with you. I was like, no, I didn't think he liked me.
all right and we're walking he says so pat sajak people were out here and they watched the show so they liked julia of course sweeney i went yeah yeah he said everyone and i don't even understand any of this but you oh my god and he really did say it like that because i remember thinking Manners, at least. Yeah. Sure. But all right. I went, huh. I think he said, this is crazy.
I said, yeah, wow, that is crazy. Jeez.
Yes, and? Yeah, you were born in 1983.
And I could see how you might be confused with that because an eight and a six have circles in them.
And that is why I was a fine improviser.
Anyway, it was to see if there was any association between hemispheric dominance, handedness, and headache types. So it wasn't just cluster headache.
It was just to see if people who were right hemispheric dominant had more cluster headache. But it was every headache amongst all headache types. But the answer was no. Okay.
He was concerned, not concerned, but he was interested in headache because he got almost every headache type.
It's a complicated explanation that has to do with, if it holds, it's his theory, which was impressive because he had the first working theory, that it had to do with some damage to the hypothalamus. Mostly men had cluster headache and that the damage may have come from burning the candle on both ends was his theory at the time. But I don't think stress brought on the cluster headaches.
I think it was a circadian or circannual. rhythm thing for episodic cluster and people who had it chronically all the time.
Well, the pattern had to do with the light changing. A lot of them are hormone related too, right? Migraines, but not cluster headaches.
But there are men who get headaches. Well, young men. And then as you get older, if I'm remembering it right, because I worked there for eight years, guys get older, their headaches go away.
But there are hormones. Yeah.
No, I mean, I'm sorry. Look at me now. It's like, no, no, I'm not. No joking. This isn't funny. Everything's very serious. Come on.
They are. But they've got good treatments now.
Yeah. There's those migraines, you know, like hemiplegic migraines, or I don't know, maybe they don't call those anymore. But half of the face or body gets paralyzed. And the scary thing is when it happens, you think, I think you got to get a brain scan. Yeah, stroke. It's happening, but it's not.
My brother's a neurologist and he now is the headache specialist. And he had just explained it. And now because of my age, I don't remember what he said. Right.
That's a bad combination too. That's so bad.
He does. Okay. How cool for him.
Like cannibalistically meta.
Simulation, right. What do you mean? Like, do you think you're living on?
You should. You just convinced.
I'm processing everything you're saying and trying to figure how it's the same as the way I see things. Because I do think that there's too much we don't know. So it could be that. It could be God. It could be anything. Something stinks. I don't know if something stinks. I think that what stinks is that we require to measure it, see it, describe it, define it. We need to know.
I know. Well, it's just two lung irritants and throat irritants. It's not good.
You're using science words.
In order to accept it, when the one thing I learned from science and scientific method is there's more we don't know than we do know. So just because you can't doesn't mean it's not happening.
We're so limited in our senses.
That's what I think. There are things we can't explain that we've just known.
Yeah. Well, okay. Here's the thing. When there was no way I was going to be an actress and I was in college and my plan even on graduation was I'm going to go to graduate school and study evolutionary theory. Not going to be a doctor. That's fine. I'd come home for spring breaks. And I'd be driving around in L.A. and you'd hear on the radio a commercial for a new sitcom or a sitcom.
Yeah. By the way, this is why I'm no fun in a dinner party.
And they're promoting it with their best joke. I have huge quote marks. I'm waving like a lunatic.
I'm driving along and I'd hear that joke, which would just be like, well, that's what she said last time. And I think, oh, my God. Why do they have to hit it so hard? Can't they just throw it away? That's what she said last time. And then the thought was, Lisa, please remember to throw it away when you do it. Oh. And I went, what? I'm not doing that. Right. But you always were.
Because I get like, oh no, that's terrible. Two irritants. Did you read the study on...
And then other things like that. I'd watch David Letterman and watch someone who was being very, very phony. You know, that's not the way they talked. Not really. No. I love that. I love that. You know, like that kind of thing. And I thought. Oh, my God, Lisa, when you're on Letterman, please try to be yourself. I'm like, yeah. Wait, when am I going to be on Letterman? For what?
The latest evolutionary theory? Am I going to come up with some world altering?
I don't know how to explain those things.
Oh, you think that's what I was experiencing?
I don't feel like that was that part of me responding. It felt like it was someone else saying, Lisa, when you do it. But it wasn't a voice. It wasn't anything else. It was a thought in my head. But to respond to it like, wait, what are you saying? What does that mean?
Sometimes I just know what I know. Although now I'm feeling like an idiot.
After talking to you that, oh, yeah, she studied science and she thinks that something in the cosmos is talking to her. But it did feel like such a strong feeling that shouldn't rationally be there. Yeah.
I didn't. I rejected it. Yeah. Until Levitz. And it was very practical. I'm 22. I don't have a mortgage. I don't have any responsibility. Now's the time to try that. And you don't want to have any regrets. I'd forgotten about those other things.
Right. You're the least competent person in the household. So you're the dumbass.
I don't know. Things shift and change in me all the time. What's important, who I am, what kind of mood I'm in, either very analytical or I'm very like, you know, it doesn't matter. It's okay. You'll rise to the occasion. I feel like a different person. And Diane Keaton once said to me a long time ago, something like, oh, I was 25. I was a different person.
Like, well, don't you feel like you're the same person? No, I've been so many different people. Right. Of course not. We've all been so many different people at different times.
Or just some important beliefs shift.
I agree with that. But what about core beliefs? Beliefs and opinions are different, aren't they? Values and opinions are different, for sure.
There's a higher order, something shifted in the list of priorities.
Yeah, I don't have any tattoos.
Because I don't like permanent decisions, except for my son. Yeah.
Right. They made a mistake. And then they corrected the mistake.
I'm not sure. Or I don't want to know. Maybe more to the point. Maybe I am. After Friends, I did two different shows that was basically just me. Yes. So I did have to think about, oh, what's wrong with you? Ah. Coming from the most quintessential ensemble. And to me, that has nothing to do with it. Right, right, right. Coincidence. By the way, maybe it does have nothing to do with it. Yeah.
As a lead? Series regular.
Yeah, yeah. You're set. Oh, you're Frasier. Yeah, she was original. Remember, they made a mistake and then they corrected it. Like, no, let's stick with Kelsey.
It was a funny idea. No, the Roz character. I mean, they, I think had Perry Gilpin in mind when they wrote the part and she and I were the ones that went to the network and I just sort of changed their mind for a minute. And that was a mistake. They reversed course.
A couple of days before shooting. I don't know, halfway through the pilot week.
I did think I might be one of those people for whom this isn't going to work out. Am I? I am. Am I, though? I don't know.
Yeah. And I would just get up every morning and walk. And then at the end of the walk, I lived near Michel Richard at the time. It was a great little cafe and they had pan au chocolat. And I'm going to have one of those at the end of my walk. And as I'm out there walking, the sun is bleaching my hair and it's getting a little lighter. So I'm getting some lighter highlights.
And I'm just in every way lightening up. And I have friends that I'm talking to who are saying like, oh my God, you're leaving the house. That's amazing. To me, it was support and encouragement. Like, well, you're doing great. Look, one door closed, another one opens. And then I think it's that one thing that I was told that it's, then what else will you do? And I could always just go back and
to school, get caught up in whatever's happening in evolutionary biology, take whatever classes I have to take and just continue on that path. And that was never an option. I knew I wasn't going to do that and that this is really what I wanted to do.
A year? I don't know. I'm bad with this. Maybe people know this.
Right. Yeah, that's scary. And I really thought, I'm not his cup of tea. Yeah, he doesn't like it. I'm not for him. How much of a say does he have in things? Oh, a lot. Oh, me, a lot. And so I had to audition. I auditioned for just Jimmy. One of my auditions was in a room just Jim Burrows and I'm doing the audition and he says, no notes.
And I walk out going, that either means I give up, she's hopeless, or it was perfect. I have no notes. And then it's, I'll find out soon. It doesn't matter. What can I do? It's over. Yeah. I don't know how many years ago this was. Less than 10, I think. And there's something for Jim Burrows, like a special something. And I think it's even broadcast. And the six of us cast members are with him.
That's where I think I said like, yeah, well, I had an audition. Remember the audition we all had?
Just Jimmy. And everyone went, no, I didn't have that.
I thought, this is that crazy insecurity. You think he needed to see you because it didn't work out on the last thing. Yeah, it's just part of the audition process. It's just part of it. Everyone did this. Why don't you calm down?
And in fact, they did need to check with Jimmy.
Is it all right? Because we think she's pretty good.
No, not the table read. One of the rehearsals. For the pilot? For the pilot where Rachel is about to cut up credit cards and we're all sitting around the kitchen table. And he thinks, oh, you know, it'll be fun. At least get under the table. What? Oh, God. What do you mean? Let's sit under the table. And I'm climbing down. I'm just like shoving myself under the kitchen table.
And I said, I can't see anybody. He's like, yeah, but it's funny. That's all right. Oh, boy.
Oh my God. He doesn't want this to work. He doesn't even want me in the scene. Because one of the issues with the character, it's like, how do we let the audience know why they're friends with her? Right, right, right. Because she's so different. Yeah. And I don't know that this helps that. So we do the run through and David Crane, who's so nice, he's like, okay, that was good.
And maybe it does. Do I have to know?
Lisa, it's funny that you're under the table. I don't know that that works. And I'm thinking, he thinks this was my idea. Oh, no. Oh, no. He thinks it's my idea.
And now they won't be able to trust any of my instincts.
Yeah. And then Jimmy says, no, no, that was my idea.
Thank God. I went, oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. He's like, we were just trying it. This is a turning point though. She doesn't have to do it. Yeah. In his book, he wrote like she needed to trust me. So I needed to show her. Like it was all calculated. I don't think the whole thing. What do I know? Okay. I didn't know I was the only one auditioning for him. The hell do I know?
He'll be the first to say, it's just a pitch. 50% of them don't work.
That was another show. That was a third show.
Well, yeah. Then he was so fantastic because I did this show, The Comeback, and asked him to be Jimmy the director because it was him.
To act. And he did it. Had he ever? And he was fantastic. I think no. Oh, wow.
No, because I'm too grateful.
We also worked hard at being friends. That six-way relationship took some work and we did it.
Really talking things through. If someone said something or did something, it didn't get too big because it was, can I talk to you? Usually not me because I had to learn to be, can I talk to you about something? Yeah. Because I never knew that was allowed, but I saw it modeled really well by Courtney and Jennifer and Matt. Yeah. Communication, like rule number one in any relationship. Yeah.
And respectful communication.
Right. Well, I was 30. Right. 30 or 31. 31.
No, I was, because I was 94. May of 94. July is my birthday, so I wasn't 31. I was 30. Yeah, you were 30. Oh, my God. It's this kind of detail that is fascinating.
Yeah. No, they hadn't picked it up. By the way, here's what a bad judge of is a show going to be successful or not. I was like, it's cute. Right. I mean, it's not Seinfeld is sort of groundbreaking comedy. I'm just glad it's on NBC because I've got a recurring role on Mad About You. I got to protect that.
That's because when they put us on, they put us on right after Mad About You. It ended up being such a great crossover, though.
Or is it also their expectations from this group of me? Yes. So to me, that is very actory or entertaining person who's trying to please or fulfill expectations. I know there's a part of me that just wants to play too.
Oh, my God. No, it was like a once in a huge. Who knew there'd be an Internet and then you can think about it and it would present itself to you again. Exactly.
So special. And it was funny. These people were really funny.
Can I offer something that would have been me had I not been on the show?
Well, if absolutely everybody loves it, it might not be for me.
You think you're different. I've got a different sense of humor. A thousand percent.
Yeah. I only watched Everybody Loves Raymond during COVID.
And then I watched Big Bang Theory and went, oh my God, that Sheldon's the best character I've ever seen in my whole life. Right. Right.
I don't know if it was the cool club when I was on Friends. I wasn't watching anything. I was working and was the only one to get married and have a kid.
Yeah. Was it? Yeah. We'd get together and watch the episodes and stuff. And then like what you were saying about you have a kid and everything shifts everything. Everything drops about 10 pegs on the list of priorities because it's that transition also into being a parent. I don't transition well, so it takes up a lot of my attention.
So if I am in a gathering where there are funny people around and they're doing bits, I want to participate. I also want to see if I can keep up or I'm a little competitive and I think I can do better. I can beat this. I want to see if I can win at this game. And you still feel that way. Yeah, sometimes. And then there's plenty of times where I do feel like go for it. Yeah.
And then also that was around the same time I started getting cast in movies while I'm doing Friends and I'm a mother for the first time. And it was just a little too much. That's a lot. Yeah. So I wasn't watching anything. I was done with the what's groundbreaking comedy. And the other big shift for me was after 9-11, I'd be driving back from Warner Brothers.
Yeah, we were at Warner Brothers. And people used to stop at a stoplight and go, ah, you know, look at you.
Like very somberly. And that's when... It really sunk in. I couldn't watch CNN anymore because all it was was who died. Yeah. Who was in New York? Who was near the towers? Who was in the towers? Everyone knew someone in the towers. And I had this weird dissociated event. I was watching Will and Grace and I went, oh, yeah. Oh, thank God. I went, oh, wait, but it's in New York.
Oh, God, who did they know in the towers? And then went, oh, no, no. I'm in TV. I know they shot this before 9-11. So it hasn't happened yet.
And then I went, no, this isn't real. It will have never happened here. Yeah. And it was like, oh, thank God. Thank God I can go somewhere that didn't happen. And that's when any kind of comedy, snobbery, any of that melted away forever because entertainment is important and it's providing a huge mental health service and it is important.
That's the personal level, too, for me.
No, but we were always aware. There's the task at hand. We got sort of over publicized. What is overexposed?
I couldn't think of overexposed.
Especially if it's a bunch of stand-ups, stand-up comedians.
Yes. Also, we were overexposed. Everyone was excited at the network, at the studio. We were on every talk show. And so then it just became the joke. Matthew Perry was the first one who said, like, we feel like we need to get the word out that we're on, which was insane. And so then we were asked to do some commercial or something else. And we just went so overexposed.
And how are we going to fix this? And then it was, we don't need to fix it. They're still watching the show. We just need to focus on the task at hand, which is doing this show and doing it the best we can. And the writers and producers feel the same way. And there were conversations just about, I don't know, is this getting a little too weird? You know, like with the writing.
But everyone just got refocused on this. Make it good. Yeah. Don't forget what this is all about.
I'm getting shaky. It's too much energy. I'm talking too much.
I'm like convulsing. Is it the nicotine?
Well, I can't chew and talk.
Yeah, do whatever. We edit. Okay. Come on now.
I want to pee at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead.
Why do I feel like I was here before?
And she had a podcast. Yeah, she did. She had a cat podcast. I'm just remembering doing a podcast. And it was, yeah, you can use the bathroom. And it's like, this is a curtain. Deja vu.
That told you. I feel like an idiot. No. What do you mean? I do believe sometimes things just make themselves known to you.
I mean, haven't you had things happen that you can't explain and come on?
Oh, but this has to come off. Yeah, you'll take that guy off. Oh my God. I'm out of my mind. She's not talking for me.
No, you're not. No, are you kidding? You're talking enough. Why do these
Oh my God, that was so long. So much pee.
Wasn't that like five or 10? That was under 60, I think. Wouldn't it be funny if I thought? I think that was about 10 minutes.
Just like Vosser. Vosser. He must have gone to Vosser. Everyone at Vassar when I was there was like, yeah, I didn't get into Yale.
Right. And it can get mean if I overstep. I'm inviting some hostility potentially. Interesting. If I question or compete. Oh, sure. Yeah, but it's worse for you. Because I'm a woman. That's true.
I was like, I wonder if maybe we don't know. We're going to talk about that. Actually, because I just chit chat. I genuinely love that.
Yeah, it's everything. That was the beginning of online chat stuff. And I could actually go on a computer and read what people are saying and how they're criticizing. Well, two of the three girls are cute, you know, like a lot of that stuff too. And went, oh, okay, this won't help me be good on the show. So I just immediately stopped. You were smart enough to know I'm not looking at that.
Because there were some good things, too, that I didn't necessarily agree with. Right. Just rationally thought none of this needs to be taken to heart or too seriously. Very nice when people appreciate what I do. Not everyone will. OK, that was pretty intact.
I do not need to know what people think.
That's such a great saying. It is none of my business. But what I have found is it depends on mood isn't even the right word. It's like a frame of mind. And I couldn't even define what that frame of mind is. But I can watch the same thing and think that was funny. Oh, good. And then another day, the same thing and say, why did I think that was good? How have you been getting away? Oh, yeah.
With doing this for so long, oh my God. Yeah.
Well, also, if I'm doing a character and I see a glimpse of me, and mostly there's a lot of me in everything I do. Yeah. I can tell the difference. If I watch The Comeback, I have no problem watching that. That's a different human being from me. I'm proud of it. It's all good. Friends, sometimes like, uh-oh, you just did a voice, basically. That wasn't acting. That wasn't anything.
It was just like, I don't know, what? And then I don't want to shit on it because people like it. And I'm not saying you're an idiot for liking it or anything. It's just for me, what I try to do is out of respect, not even just for me, but for people who do like that. Honoring the whole thing. So can you forgive yourself? You didn't think you were so great at the acting.
It was good enough for a lot of people. And can you just do that?
And then the answer is, well, of course I can't.
But don't you forgive everyone? I mean, performance wise, someone will have just a moment in a performance and I'll go, oh, well, I forgive it because the rest of it is so great. Oh my God. Yep.
The big thing for me now is, I don't even know if I should say it out loud. Of course you should. Can I forgive myself for not having some work done on that face? Can I forgive myself for getting older? and not doing something about it. Because I watch and I'm like, they've got a jawline. Am I supposed to have a jawline?
They don't know about the pedigree.
Like even into my 60s, that thing that comes up is, wait, should I? Am I supposed to? Are you allowed?
Everyone but me seems to be doing this. So should I? Am I allowed not to? Or is it going to be so off-putting it's going to affect people's experience? Interesting. Watching me. I'm trying to be practical about it because clearly I haven't.
About my huge stand-up career before. No, and I did not have a stand-up career ever. But you're a groundling. Well, some people know they don't care because it's not stand-up. By the way, have you noticed, to me, stand-up comedians are so much more serious than comedic actors. They want to analyze comedy and pick it apart and talk really seriously about what they do.
I think you look exquisite.
He won't let me do anything.
And then you do it and you're like, I like it.
Well, I did get Botox at age 60. At 60 for the first time. I went to the doctor and he's like, wait a minute, I've never checked the box for a first time in LA. You're unique. And then I hear unique is a euphemism for idiot?
Well, another part of me wants people to then just get used to me older. Of course.
It's not pride. I'm walking through this. Because I don't judge anyone for doing it. I get it. And a lot of people look fantastic. Sure. But... I also am afraid that if it doesn't heal right. Yeah, it's scary. I look older and not like you.
Why is that owed? It's not young. It's maintained. Interesting. Because once there's work that is not trying to make you look 20, AI can do that for me. But it's just making you look looked after, cared for. Kept up. Yeah.
Yeah. Injections are the safest thing to do.
I don't know what happened.
He's like, what's going on with your jaw? It felt like it was okay for some reason.
family and friends no i think it was always if you're gonna be an actor the hope is that you make enough to not do another job this was like the show's really good and you're good but this is winning a lottery that's how it was sort of looked at but you mean like asking for money and doing stuff if it did i'm not remembering yeah that's what's not registering to me
I don't remember what I was even going to say, because I thought of one thing and then another thing knocked it out. But there was something.
Okay. I know what it was. Okay. The thing is, I think for all of us, and especially at that time, right? It's like 20 years ago. That's when it was money being- The last two years. Yeah. That it's, I don't want people to know that. And for me, the biggest impact was at my son's schools. As he was getting older, our society was moving into what's privilege class, where we're
The other people in his school had assumptions about his family based on what's been known. Public knowledge, yeah.
Not once, but right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, what they didn't know was that some of their other classmates' families...
Billionaires. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. But it's not known. My son's getting a lot of shit for being privileged. And then it was, hey, cool. I thought you'd get a new car. You got the old soccer mom car.
Sure. And I mean, I don't need anyone feeling bad for me. Let's say that.
You're still a person. Yes. Oh, I know what you're saying. Sometimes there's been hints of, you know, if there's a stressful time around something personal, sometimes I feel a whisper of, well...
And then it's just, of course, that's what's plaguing you right now. Maybe I need to have a little more empathy about that. But the only time ever I did a Who Do You Think You Are? Because I produced the show and I was the first one to shoot it. And I'm in Belarus and learning about how my family was killed by death squads during the Holocaust.
Great-grandmother. And kids and family and the whole town. And so I'm learning about that. And I'm talking to this old woman who had been there. She's not Jewish. That's why she survived. And I'm just surrounded by this whole darkness of it and getting slightly angry. So this woman in between shooting in Russian and she just said, you're from America? Yeah. You have nice teeth. And I went, yeah.
She didn't have any teeth at all in her head. I said, yeah. And she said, you're rich?
And I said, yes. Yes, I am. Yeah. It's kind of undeniable. Yes, I am. Yeah.
I'm so proud of that at this moment. Yes. Because all these people were murdered and then my grandmother, they came over, they had nothing. And you're still here. Here you are and you're rich. And that. Yes. It was the only time in my life that I felt like, yes. Yeah. I'm rich.
I've never been, I don't know if I can handle it. And I could barely handle that. But I was really surprised by my reaction to being around someone who survived it, then later came back and placed a monument where the mass grave was. I was standing there and thinking, God, all these people were killed.
And then there were the people who were shooting who have to have had moments later on where they went, what did I do? I'm sure a lot of them just went, Jews, they had a coming. But how many lives were ruined? On all sides.
I was never a crowd pleaser. I don't even know how I got into the main company because I didn't do the kind of stuff audiences liked.
Even if for like five minutes when that veil is lifted, it's torture. And then they can go back and tell themselves the same story to get through it. And these weren't Nazis either, necessarily. A lot of times it was local police who were happy to help. Anyway, sorry. We just got there. My last friend's question. You see? Made a dinner party.
Isn't it funny? We like this part. That's what we'd like to do. Yeah.
Well, there's that too. Yeah, that's a good element of it.
I didn't. First couple of seasons, we'd go to Courtney's and watch it every Wednesday, every Thursday night. I almost said the wrong night. Yeah, must see. I was just making up a word. It's like, it's every week, every, I don't know. Just make up a word. Every Saturday morning we get together. Wednesday is a day.
For example, every Wednesday, whatever it was on. I don't know. Whatever. Thursday night. We'd watch it every week and then too busy. And I was pregnant. I don't know. I just stopped watching. And there are episodes I've never seen. Wow.
Well, when Matthew passed away, I started watching. I mean, there were marathons and was part of the process for me. And boy, I really appreciated it and how fun. Well, I knew he was funny always anyway.
For no other reason than to torture Cullen. But he just was so funny. And I'm like, God, LeBlanc is hilarious. Oh, Jennifer, my God, that's so good.
Come on, Courtney. How are you never nominated for an Emmy? That's insane. And Schwimmer. Yes. Oh, my God. Come on. It was just this whole appreciation. I went, I've got to watch all of them. Yeah.
I cried when there was a marathon on and I caught, I mean, I'm not watching it like on max from season one. I tried. I don't know if I can do season one, but maybe season two or three. Can we watch and watch? Okay. And then something about me was like, I can't.
Yeah, but I feel like I need to watch all of them. So anyway, the episode where Phoebe got married is on and I'm watching it and I got so caught up that I cried watching her because she looked so happy. Yeah, she was so happy. She had such a real smile. She was just, I've never seen Phoebe that happy. You could remove yourself. It's she. Yeah. It's for sure she. It's for sure she. Yeah.
Who wouldn't be happy marrying Paul Rudd? Well, and then there's that.
But did you cry when she got married?
That's where I start chewing my gum.
This is where I need my nicotine.
Right. I, this will sound odd, am more comforted that he was happy the day he died. He got to die happy. And to me, that was a gift. It could have gone a much different way.
I don't know if I fit that category either. Who were you there? What kind of things were you doing? I did your favorite actress on a talk show. It became a character I did in The Comeback, this HBO show. But I loved that character monologue. I loved doing those.
Yeah, it is complicated, you know, but I loved that Matthew I first met and the one at the end because God love him. This is you and I love you. Yeah, I accept that this is you. Yeah, I understand. And so did he.
Yes. I thought the sentence was going to finish a different way.
I've spent so much of my life making everybody around me like me.
But it's not like, what do you like about yourself? It's accept yourself, love yourself. That was, to me, the whole thing about fame isn't going to give you that. Just because everyone else is loving you.
It exacerbates it. But the answer is simply, you're not only allowed to love yourself, you've got to. You're all you've got. Ultimately, it's so nice that people love you, but it doesn't work if you don't love you.
Oh, interesting. Wow. Exciting.
Oh, my God. It all goes back to the groundlings every time.
Which was Christine Applegate, Linda Cardellini.
No. I was just told, so we have an offer for you to do this Netflix show. Interesting. Tell me more. It's limited series, which you can do, because I was committed to something else at the time. I went, okay. It's Liz Feldman, who did, I said, Dead to Me.
I know. Well, this sounds like a yes. Well, let's tell you a little more. You'll be married to Ray Romano. Well, of course, yes. Yeah. He's such a good actor.
Yeah, but not game improv. I liked, I did this thing, Transformers, where it's sort of longer form and you do a scene and then it gets silent, whatever. I guess it's called miming to people listening who might not know. But whatever space work you're doing, it starts transforming as a group. You're all in sync and you turn it from baling hay to a rodeo lasso or something.
You were keeping that very tight. I should have said that before. No, it's probably best. There wasn't a moment.
I was going to and then I forgot. Remember how I kept saying there's something I want to say and I can't remember what it is?
Yes. Heartbreaking. He's so good.
Which was your whole story.
Yes. Did you see that Netflix movie, him and Mark Duplass? I can't remember what it was called because the name of it has nothing to do with what it was about. Thank you. Paddleton. Paddleton. Oh, maybe that was someone's name. But to me, that has nothing to do with what it was about. And that was just world changing to me.
Effortless. So I was thrilled.
Me too. It's perfectly beautiful. That was a set on two stages. The first floor is on one stage. Second floor is on another stage.
Is that all we can say? And there's some secrets. There's a lot of secrets going on.
To me, the woman I'm playing has got to be unstable because that's nothing like me.
Well, home are the people you're with. That's true. And you claim a space. So wherever we live next, I'll claim it. It'll be ours. It's fine. Here's the weird thing that caught me by surprise. My brother and sister and I found out that our house that we grew up in, in Tarzana, was for sale and there was an open house. Oh. And let's just go. And the three of us went to the house.
And I thought, I can afford to buy it, I think. Should I just buy it? Yeah. I should just buy it. I want it back. I think I should buy it. Yeah, yeah.
Do you buy it? No. Oh. Because at first, it was like, I want it back. We were having so much fun. It's like, yes. Oh, my God. And that's the same. And remember, we blank. And we did that. And oh, remember the time I got thrown across the room? And yeah.
This is where dad used to hang his belt. We were having the best time. But by the time we were sort of done touring it.
I was done. This is for someone else's memories.
Yeah. And then your new characters, they were really good improvisers in that. I was really happy. I was the only girl.
It's what you cared about while you were playing that game.
That's great. I don't have objectivity. I watched the first one and immediately forgot I was in it. And when I can't wait to see the next one. So that to me was a great sign. That's a huge sign.
By the way, blew through your wife's show. Who didn't? Everyone did.
That's fantastic because it's a romantic comedy.
That is the best news I've ever heard. I mean, truly, right? My husband loved it. Well, there you go. He said, can we watch more of that? I was like, yeah. That's not what he sounds like. I don't know who I just did.
No, I wouldn't mind watching more of that one. It's okay. He's foreign.
When I was in high school. Yeah.
French women probably instruct. Oh, okay. That's you going.
It's my publicist. Of course. How'd that go? Why haven't you left yet?
Ha ha ha. That's hilarious.
Oh, I can't wait for you to meet everybody. But this was such a treat.
Maybe back in the day, they would say they went to Vosser.
I was thrilled to go to Vassar. I thought, yes, I'm going to be a lady. Only ladies go to Vassar. And I get there and I find out, oh, these were like the wild ones. Really? Really?
Very artistic and sort of rebellious and went their own way. You know, we're not mainstream. It opened in 1861, which is the start of the Civil War.
I think the first to offer science for women to learn.
Women should not be trusted with science.
So you already are going to have a lot of people who are sending their daughters there who are not in the mainstream.
I think the first year of graduating class of men was like 72, three, four.
In junior high, I did because I liked going to summer school. I liked having something to do. And I took a play production thing and we wrote sketches and it was so fun and I could do it well.
No, that is not something that if you're going to be an adult, you do. I decided.
Yeah, how many years apart?
I don't know about myself. You're going to enjoy this. I also don't know who that is. You don't know who EZE is?
Out in Woodland Hills, yeah. Maybe he got bussed there or something?
Okay. No help. By the way, no, I had three friends in high school.
Your first year in high school was sophomore year. And for five minutes, I thought, OK, I'm going to try to be a cheerleader. I'm going to try to be part of everything. The scene. So I went to all the rehearsals and I learned the thing for cheerleading squad. And then I didn't realize to try out that's in front of whoever shows up and wants to watch. And I just went, oh, no.
Well, now, no, I do not want to be a cheerleader. And then you have to run and be elected and you have to campaign. I'm out. Not for me. No, because you're shy. It was too embarrassing. Nothing good is going to come of that.
How tall are you? How tall are you? Like 5'8", 5'7 1⁄2". That's tall.
Or you're an actress and you're the only tall actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dax.
I know. He just worked with Ray Romano. And I didn't know he was that tall because of Brad Garrett. But he's like 6'2 or 6'3.
But he's next to Conan. His whole career. Yes. Oh, my God.
Sorry, 6'1, 2. Yeah. Yeah, 6'12.
Okay, so in high school, you had three friends. Four. Four.
I felt bad that I left out one of them. No, I'm thinking of the girls. There were four of us. So I had three friends. Wait, one, two, three, no, four. There were five of us. I am fun at a dinner party.
Oh, so it was a long time ago. 20 years ago. Okay.
Yes. And Jim Burroughs was there.
And somebody showed up a little late with a woman. I don't know if you'll clock this too. Maybe you won't. But this woman who I just went, what the hell? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What version? Why is this happening right now? Like, how does that exist? Like, did it look like a sex worker? This person that was just sort of.
I know, but let me ask you something. Of all the stand-ups you know, who is more serious than a stand-up?
I know, but let me ask you something. Of all the stand-ups you know, who is more serious than a stand-up?
I would have quit if not for Conan. That must have been exhausting.
I would have quit if not for Conan. That must have been exhausting.
It was nuts. Well, I couldn't take Groundling classes because they wouldn't let me because I hadn't had enough experience with anything. So they sent me to Cynthia Seghetti, an improv teacher at the Coronet, which is now, God damn it. Largo. Thank you. And I went to the first class and thought, oh, no, these are not my people and I can't do this. I commit. I don't know what that means.
It was nuts. Well, I couldn't take Groundling classes because they wouldn't let me because I hadn't had enough experience with anything. So they sent me to Cynthia Seghetti, an improv teacher at the Coronet, which is now, God damn it. Largo. Thank you. And I went to the first class and thought, oh, no, these are not my people and I can't do this. I commit. I don't know what that means.
And they're all embarrassing me. With their, like, you know, space ball. Like, with an emotional adjustment. Like, grrr. And I went, I can't do it. You're right. I think I'm out. It's too serious. Of acting forever. Yes. And then the next week, I said, all right, just go. You committed to this. Just go. And I was a little late. And everyone was up there. It's like, no, no, I don't want to.
And they're all embarrassing me. With their, like, you know, space ball. Like, with an emotional adjustment. Like, grrr. And I went, I can't do it. You're right. I think I'm out. It's too serious. Of acting forever. Yes. And then the next week, I said, all right, just go. You committed to this. Just go. And I was a little late. And everyone was up there. It's like, no, no, I don't want to.
Break the flow, I'll just sit here and watch and die. And they were lifting a disc or something.
Break the flow, I'll just sit here and watch and die. And they were lifting a disc or something.
Right, space work, mime, actually. And so one of them was doing it And it was Conan, this tall, really tall redhead guy, is lifting the disc. And when he's angry, he's just kind of angry. And he's just really lifting a disc or throwing the space ball without too much. And the teacher, Cynthia, was saying, good commitment. I went, oh, that's commitment. It's not embarrassing.
Right, space work, mime, actually. And so one of them was doing it And it was Conan, this tall, really tall redhead guy, is lifting the disc. And when he's angry, he's just kind of angry. And he's just really lifting a disc or throwing the space ball without too much. And the teacher, Cynthia, was saying, good commitment. I went, oh, that's commitment. It's not embarrassing.
And I thought, okay, that guy. Yeah. I made sure I made a beeline to him, said, hi, I'm Lisa. That was really good. And he said, I'm Conan. And we became best friends.
And I thought, okay, that guy. Yeah. I made sure I made a beeline to him, said, hi, I'm Lisa. That was really good. And he said, I'm Conan. And we became best friends.
Kind of. I mean, because he was asked to produce that show. Lorne Michaels asked Conan to be the producer. So they were looking for someone to be the host. And Conan would say, I want someone smart but funny, but who can have a conversation with writers, you know, authors and politicians. And I said, well, that's you. So you should do it because nobody replaces David Letterman. You're nobody.
Kind of. I mean, because he was asked to produce that show. Lorne Michaels asked Conan to be the producer. So they were looking for someone to be the host. And Conan would say, I want someone smart but funny, but who can have a conversation with writers, you know, authors and politicians. And I said, well, that's you. So you should do it because nobody replaces David Letterman. You're nobody.
No, he had already been. That's how Lorne Michaels knew him.
No, he had already been. That's how Lorne Michaels knew him.
No, while you're at the Groundlings, you can teach. And I taught Cheryl Hines was in my class. Some other people, too, and I don't remember. I voted Will Ferrell into the Groundlings.
No, while you're at the Groundlings, you can teach. And I taught Cheryl Hines was in my class. Some other people, too, and I don't remember. I voted Will Ferrell into the Groundlings.
No, but it's not just the monologues because then you have to interview people, which you three know how to do.
No, but it's not just the monologues because then you have to interview people, which you three know how to do.
That's the right part of the job. No, that's my fear too.
That's the right part of the job. No, that's my fear too.
No. You probably don't. I know. You told me this.
No. You probably don't. I know. You told me this.
I'm so sorry. I know. And I said that and I'm saying it now. I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry. I know. And I said that and I'm saying it now. I'm sorry.
Well, not next after I did other guest star. Apparently I was on coach like three times.
Well, not next after I did other guest star. Apparently I was on coach like three times.
That's right. Wow. Recently I worked with Linda Lavin and she said, you were on a pilot that I did. The casting director reminded me.
That's right. Wow. Recently I worked with Linda Lavin and she said, you were on a pilot that I did. The casting director reminded me.
It's like the Uber Eats commercials where you purge stuff so that you have room for other things.
It's like the Uber Eats commercials where you purge stuff so that you have room for other things.
No. David Crane's boyfriend, partner, is Jeffrey Cleric. And Jeffrey was a writer for Mad About You at the time. So when they were casting friends, Jeffrey said, what about Lisa, who's playing Ursula? That might be a good Phoebe.
No. David Crane's boyfriend, partner, is Jeffrey Cleric. And Jeffrey was a writer for Mad About You at the time. So when they were casting friends, Jeffrey said, what about Lisa, who's playing Ursula? That might be a good Phoebe.
Yeah, yeah, I got, no, no, I didn't film it. I got fired before that.
Yeah, yeah, I got, no, no, I didn't film it. I got fired before that.
Is it put hands on like ringing necks or put hands on cupping somebody?
Is it put hands on like ringing necks or put hands on cupping somebody?
Yeah. I know. And it was devastating to get fired.
Yeah. I know. And it was devastating to get fired.
Well, he was familiar enough that, you know, I got fired from the last thing. Yeah. By the way, do you know when we shot the reunion for Friends or was it there or something else like a Jim Burroughs celebration?
Well, he was familiar enough that, you know, I got fired from the last thing. Yeah. By the way, do you know when we shot the reunion for Friends or was it there or something else like a Jim Burroughs celebration?
Where I learned I was the only cast member for Friends that had to audition for Jimmy Burroughs.
Where I learned I was the only cast member for Friends that had to audition for Jimmy Burroughs.
Because I had just gotten fired from Frasier. Wow.
Because I had just gotten fired from Frasier. Wow.
No, he's not like that. You know what? He's smarter than that. No, but when I had my audition, I did it.
No, he's not like that. You know what? He's smarter than that. No, but when I had my audition, I did it.
When I auditioned, it's just this small room. He's sitting at a desk. I'm in a chair. And the audition was like a little monologue thing.
When I auditioned, it's just this small room. He's sitting at a desk. I'm in a chair. And the audition was like a little monologue thing.
And I thought, all right. But that's a good... I don't know what that means.
And I thought, all right. But that's a good... I don't know what that means.
No. It wasn't like that. It was mad about you that changed a lot for me because I had been fired from Frasier and then... I did a guest star on Mad About You. They had me back. I'd already done a guest star the first season. So now I'm there for a different character. And my agents had said, you're not doing this. They called like in the morning. Can she just come in an hour?
No. It wasn't like that. It was mad about you that changed a lot for me because I had been fired from Frasier and then... I did a guest star on Mad About You. They had me back. I'd already done a guest star the first season. So now I'm there for a different character. And my agents had said, you're not doing this. They called like in the morning. Can she just come in an hour?
The character is called Waitress. There's no name. And my agents at the time were saying, no, no, you can't. It doesn't even have a name. Don't do this. I said, I'm not in a position to say no. And it's to me the best show and I'm doing it. And by the end of the week, Danny Jacobson said, you're so funny. Would you be okay doing five more episodes? Just went, yes.
The character is called Waitress. There's no name. And my agents at the time were saying, no, no, you can't. It doesn't even have a name. Don't do this. I said, I'm not in a position to say no. And it's to me the best show and I'm doing it. And by the end of the week, Danny Jacobson said, you're so funny. Would you be okay doing five more episodes? Just went, yes.
There's my rent for the year. I don't have to get another day job.
There's my rent for the year. I don't have to get another day job.
But during the run-throughs, because Jimmy was saying like, this isn't working, so just don't even... Right. They have to fix it.
But during the run-throughs, because Jimmy was saying like, this isn't working, so just don't even... Right. They have to fix it.
Right. Because I was trying to, like, what's not working? What can I do? But I think they did make... a casting mistake with me because I went to the network with Perry Gilpin. Yeah.
Right. Because I was trying to, like, what's not working? What can I do? But I think they did make... a casting mistake with me because I went to the network with Perry Gilpin. Yeah.
Yes. And so I think they were just correcting a mistake.
Yes. And so I think they were just correcting a mistake.
But can I ask you guys something when you are fired from something?
But can I ask you guys something when you are fired from something?
I mean, I know for me, there's that moment of, wow, maybe this just isn't supposed to work out, this career choice.
I mean, I know for me, there's that moment of, wow, maybe this just isn't supposed to work out, this career choice.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, but that's what's important to me, like for younger artists who definitely have talent. And yes, you can be discouraged, but then you've got to pull yourself back up. Like, you know, that can't be your mindset for too long. Otherwise it won't work out. It's just not going to work.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, but that's what's important to me, like for younger artists who definitely have talent. And yes, you can be discouraged, but then you've got to pull yourself back up. Like, you know, that can't be your mindset for too long. Otherwise it won't work out. It's just not going to work.
Well, isn't that different in a... I think it's different in a good way, though. Do you? Because what I had always said was... Say yes to everything except porn. That was always my advice.
Well, isn't that different in a... I think it's different in a good way, though. Do you? Because what I had always said was... Say yes to everything except porn. That was always my advice.
Keep going. But it worked out anyway for you. And that's a joke, everybody listening. No, still say no to porn, I think. I mean, I guess it depends on your level of comfort. Yeah, and what you think porn is. Everything's okay now. That's another issue. But that was it. It was just say yes to everything. You have no idea who's going to see it.
Keep going. But it worked out anyway for you. And that's a joke, everybody listening. No, still say no to porn, I think. I mean, I guess it depends on your level of comfort. Yeah, and what you think porn is. Everything's okay now. That's another issue. But that was it. It was just say yes to everything. You have no idea who's going to see it.
You have no idea what it's going to lead to, what you're going to learn from doing it. And now everyone has a camera and can post it on something.
You have no idea what it's going to lead to, what you're going to learn from doing it. And now everyone has a camera and can post it on something.
Right. That's hard to do, period. I mean, that's sort of like the whole lifelong commitment.
Right. That's hard to do, period. I mean, that's sort of like the whole lifelong commitment.
Yes, we were all friends. Yeah. Is that it? Okay.
Yes, we were all friends. Yeah. Is that it? Okay.
Yeah, but I mean, it was always on in syndication, so... Right, yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, it was always on in syndication, so... Right, yeah.
Thanks. I know I'm the most proud of the comeback.
Thanks. I know I'm the most proud of the comeback.
Well, I mean, it's a composite of people, honestly. I'm not trying to, you know, be coy. But it just was a composite of... Of a lot of different people that, you know, you'd see on talk shows. I had a character at the Groundlings called, you know, your favorite actress on a talk show. That's funny.
Well, I mean, it's a composite of people, honestly. I'm not trying to, you know, be coy. But it just was a composite of... Of a lot of different people that, you know, you'd see on talk shows. I had a character at the Groundlings called, you know, your favorite actress on a talk show. That's funny.
Well, it was. I mean, because it was way before Valerie Cherish.
Well, it was. I mean, because it was way before Valerie Cherish.
Yes, you can. Welcome to Smart List. This is nice. Thanks. Oh, my God.
Yes, you can. Welcome to Smart List. This is nice. Thanks. Oh, my God.
She says everything like it's a sitcom. Right. Yeah. Like a tag. Everything she says is a tag or a button. Wait, what?
She says everything like it's a sitcom. Right. Yeah. Like a tag. Everything she says is a tag or a button. Wait, what?
Because Larry David can call up HBO and say, all right, I want to do more.
Because Larry David can call up HBO and say, all right, I want to do more.
Well, yeah, we'll see. Michael Patrick King is busy with And Just Like That.
Well, yeah, we'll see. Michael Patrick King is busy with And Just Like That.
That's such a good question. I mean, I've spent the last few years being really interested in not producing and just acting and being cast. Yeah. And so I've done that. It's just none of it has come out yet. Okay. But it will all this year.
That's such a good question. I mean, I've spent the last few years being really interested in not producing and just acting and being cast. Yeah. And so I've done that. It's just none of it has come out yet. Okay. But it will all this year.
No, it's not that it's boring. I mean, for me, it just felt, yeah, it's a lot of work.
No, it's not that it's boring. I mean, for me, it just felt, yeah, it's a lot of work.
Right. So there's that. But then also it just felt so fraught, you know, also just with like HR issues and things like that. So I just wanted, okay, I'm not producing.
Right. So there's that. But then also it just felt so fraught, you know, also just with like HR issues and things like that. So I just wanted, okay, I'm not producing.
Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I mean, I loved, I produced a show, Who Do You Think You Are? Oh, yeah. Which is not scripted. I was on it. Yes. Oh, my God. So good. That was such a good episode.
Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I mean, I loved, I produced a show, Who Do You Think You Are? Oh, yeah. Which is not scripted. I was on it. Yes. Oh, my God. So good. That was such a good episode.
Yeah. And I loved doing that. I mean, I loved the research stage, you know. Wow. Yeah. and like how you're going to lay out the story for the person to discover and where the documents are found and, you know, that stuff. I loved doing that show, producing that. That's great. And that's it. But, I mean, everything else is like, wow. And that's it. I don't know. But the comeback, yes.
Yeah. And I loved doing that. I mean, I loved the research stage, you know. Wow. Yeah. and like how you're going to lay out the story for the person to discover and where the documents are found and, you know, that stuff. I loved doing that show, producing that. That's great. And that's it. But, I mean, everything else is like, wow. And that's it. I don't know. But the comeback, yes.
I mean, because I write the comeback with Michael. So, yeah.
I mean, because I write the comeback with Michael. So, yeah.
And Ian Morris, yes, fantastic. But when I first learned about it, it was just Tyke and Jermaine wrote the pilot. Such a good idea. And I went, well, I don't care, yes. Do I need to read it?
And Ian Morris, yes, fantastic. But when I first learned about it, it was just Tyke and Jermaine wrote the pilot. Such a good idea. And I went, well, I don't care, yes. Do I need to read it?
And it's in New Zealand. I've always wanted to see New Zealand.
And it's in New Zealand. I've always wanted to see New Zealand.
I know. I'm trying right now with this system to watch. You know this Pix thing and they send you and you can try to watch things on it? It's really hard.
I know. I'm trying right now with this system to watch. You know this Pix thing and they send you and you can try to watch things on it? It's really hard.
It's the stuff that happened backstage that was bad. That's what I'm saying. That's the best part. Oh, yeah. No, I have a lot of those. Because I am always working on my filter.
It's the stuff that happened backstage that was bad. That's what I'm saying. That's the best part. Oh, yeah. No, I have a lot of those. Because I am always working on my filter.
with people because I, to me, facts don't hurt, you know? So, you know, like letting someone know like, oh, I don't know about that sketch. It's more of like a ditty than a sketch. I mean, you just sort of, like, it feels like it belongs on a cruise ship.
with people because I, to me, facts don't hurt, you know? So, you know, like letting someone know like, oh, I don't know about that sketch. It's more of like a ditty than a sketch. I mean, you just sort of, like, it feels like it belongs on a cruise ship.
Well, no, but here- Well, but I know I do that. So sometimes that's my joke too. Do you know what I mean? Then I'm being the person with no filter.
Well, no, but here- Well, but I know I do that. So sometimes that's my joke too. Do you know what I mean? Then I'm being the person with no filter.
But that, I guess, was rough. And I didn't think it was rough to say. To me, it's just a song. And we were all being asked, what do you think of this piece?
But that, I guess, was rough. And I didn't think it was rough to say. To me, it's just a song. And we were all being asked, what do you think of this piece?
From the thing? Is that because of the... He's like, that was my dream.
From the thing? Is that because of the... He's like, that was my dream.
Thank you for doing this. Bye-bye. Do I log off?
Thank you for doing this. Bye-bye. Do I log off?
Oui. But I'm not fluent. I'm not fluent in French.
Oui. But I'm not fluent. I'm not fluent in French.
Yeah, I do. I speak a little of it because my husband.
Yeah, I do. I speak a little of it because my husband.
No, he just, he speaks so fast. I couldn't. And I did take it in high school. I took four years.
No, he just, he speaks so fast. I couldn't. And I did take it in high school. I took four years.
Yes. I thought this was it. I thought this was an audition, and so... Because you know we're not, like, filming this.
Yes. I thought this was it. I thought this was an audition, and so... Because you know we're not, like, filming this.
Yeah, it is. I'm actually trying to unblur it so you can see. Oh, there it is.
Yeah, it is. I'm actually trying to unblur it so you can see. Oh, there it is.
It's really beautiful. A lot of people end up at Vassar just from the tour.
It's really beautiful. A lot of people end up at Vassar just from the tour.
Yeah. Really? And then they're disappointed they didn't go to Yale. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
Yeah. Really? And then they're disappointed they didn't go to Yale. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
I was a biology major, so there was no choice but to be academic because that's a big commitment.
I was a biology major, so there was no choice but to be academic because that's a big commitment.
Yeah, I thought I'll be pre-med. My dad's a doctor. My brother is starting medical school. And I thought, yeah, yeah, I'll be a doctor too.
Yeah, I thought I'll be pre-med. My dad's a doctor. My brother is starting medical school. And I thought, yeah, yeah, I'll be a doctor too.
Well, biology was really interesting to me. I loved it. Biology, I mean, it's such a huge... But what kind of doctor do you think you would have been? I don't know. I wasn't set on that. But halfway through, I went, oh, no, there's no way I'm going to be a practicing physician. There's no way.
Well, biology was really interesting to me. I loved it. Biology, I mean, it's such a huge... But what kind of doctor do you think you would have been? I don't know. I wasn't set on that. But halfway through, I went, oh, no, there's no way I'm going to be a practicing physician. There's no way.
Because I realized I wasn't as interested in that as I was in, I liked evolutionary biology. So I was just going to continue and do it.
Because I realized I wasn't as interested in that as I was in, I liked evolutionary biology. So I was just going to continue and do it.
Well, he got a lot of headaches and he was, you know, like a family practice or internist and then decided he would switch to just treating, researching headache.
Well, he got a lot of headaches and he was, you know, like a family practice or internist and then decided he would switch to just treating, researching headache.
Well, at the time, from what I remember, because I worked for him.
Well, at the time, from what I remember, because I worked for him.
And at the time, there's nine different headache types at that time. Let's have them. So I don't know.
And at the time, there's nine different headache types at that time. Let's have them. So I don't know.
Of migraine, yeah, yeah. Hemiplegic, ophthalmic, classical, yeah.
Of migraine, yeah, yeah. Hemiplegic, ophthalmic, classical, yeah.
I mean, a little, but, you know, there's a lot of new medications. My brother's a headache specialist. He's a neurologist who took over when my dad retired.
I mean, a little, but, you know, there's a lot of new medications. My brother's a headache specialist. He's a neurologist who took over when my dad retired.
Or no? Well, I don't... Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. But...
Or no? Well, I don't... Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. But...
I kind of knew a lot about cluster headache. That was this subset of headaches. It's not a migraine. What?
I kind of knew a lot about cluster headache. That was this subset of headaches. It's not a migraine. What?
No, it's not. You know, I'm just about making people feel good.
No, it's not. You know, I'm just about making people feel good.
Oh, well, I just, I'm the youngest in the family. So that's always like the least competent person in the house.
Oh, well, I just, I'm the youngest in the family. So that's always like the least competent person in the house.
And they're older and really funny. And my dad is really funny and he's 91 and he still is. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just would repeat what they said, bring it back to school and sometimes get in trouble because it's like six and eight years older than what was appropriate for kindergarten or first grade. Right. Junior high, I did play production where we wrote sketches and performed them.
And they're older and really funny. And my dad is really funny and he's 91 and he still is. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just would repeat what they said, bring it back to school and sometimes get in trouble because it's like six and eight years older than what was appropriate for kindergarten or first grade. Right. Junior high, I did play production where we wrote sketches and performed them.
And that was huge for me. That was a very big deal.
And that was huge for me. That was a very big deal.
Yeah, I did. I loved it. I did love it. Yeah, same.
Yeah, I did. I loved it. I did love it. Yeah, same.
Here's what's special about me. I loved Saturday Night Live.
Here's what's special about me. I loved Saturday Night Live.
No, Groundlings, that was after college. And that really wasn't about, I wasn't, my goal was not Saturday Night Live, but my goal was to avoid a dramatic acting class at all costs.
No, Groundlings, that was after college. And that really wasn't about, I wasn't, my goal was not Saturday Night Live, but my goal was to avoid a dramatic acting class at all costs.
because from what I understood, they seemed like cults and it was just people taking everything way too seriously.
because from what I understood, they seemed like cults and it was just people taking everything way too seriously.
Yeah. Well, that was the huge revelation was, ooh, the comedy folk are way off. Like there's something really wrong.
Yeah. Well, that was the huge revelation was, ooh, the comedy folk are way off. Like there's something really wrong.
I know, but let me ask you something. Of all the stand-ups you know, who is more serious than a stand-up?
I would have quit if not for Conan. That must have been exhausting.
It was nuts. Well, I couldn't take Groundling classes because they wouldn't let me because I hadn't had enough experience with anything. So they sent me to Cynthia Seghetti, an improv teacher at the Coronet, which is now, God damn it. Largo. Thank you. And I went to the first class and thought, oh, no, these are not my people and I can't do this. I commit. I don't know what that means.
And they're all embarrassing me. With their, like, you know, space ball. Like, with an emotional adjustment. Like, grrr. And I went, I can't do it. You're right. I think I'm out. It's too serious. Of acting forever. Yes. And then the next week, I said, all right, just go. You committed to this. Just go. And I was a little late. And everyone was up there. It's like, no, no, I don't want to.
Break the flow, I'll just sit here and watch and die. And they were lifting a disc or something.
Right, space work, mime, actually. And so one of them was doing it And it was Conan, this tall, really tall redhead guy, is lifting the disc. And when he's angry, he's just kind of angry. And he's just really lifting a disc or throwing the space ball without too much. And the teacher, Cynthia, was saying, good commitment. I went, oh, that's commitment. It's not embarrassing.
And I thought, okay, that guy. Yeah. I made sure I made a beeline to him, said, hi, I'm Lisa. That was really good. And he said, I'm Conan. And we became best friends.
Kind of. I mean, because he was asked to produce that show. Lorne Michaels asked Conan to be the producer. So they were looking for someone to be the host. And Conan would say, I want someone smart but funny, but who can have a conversation with writers, you know, authors and politicians. And I said, well, that's you. So you should do it because nobody replaces David Letterman. You're nobody.
No, he had already been. That's how Lorne Michaels knew him.
No, while you're at the Groundlings, you can teach. And I taught Cheryl Hines was in my class. Some other people, too, and I don't remember. I voted Will Ferrell into the Groundlings.
No, but it's not just the monologues because then you have to interview people, which you three know how to do.
That's the right part of the job. No, that's my fear too.
No. You probably don't. I know. You told me this.
I'm so sorry. I know. And I said that and I'm saying it now. I'm sorry.
Well, not next after I did other guest star. Apparently I was on coach like three times.
That's right. Wow. Recently I worked with Linda Lavin and she said, you were on a pilot that I did. The casting director reminded me.
It's like the Uber Eats commercials where you purge stuff so that you have room for other things.
No. David Crane's boyfriend, partner, is Jeffrey Cleric. And Jeffrey was a writer for Mad About You at the time. So when they were casting friends, Jeffrey said, what about Lisa, who's playing Ursula? That might be a good Phoebe.
Yeah, yeah, I got, no, no, I didn't film it. I got fired before that.
Is it put hands on like ringing necks or put hands on cupping somebody?
Yeah. I know. And it was devastating to get fired.
Well, he was familiar enough that, you know, I got fired from the last thing. Yeah. By the way, do you know when we shot the reunion for Friends or was it there or something else like a Jim Burroughs celebration?
Where I learned I was the only cast member for Friends that had to audition for Jimmy Burroughs.
Because I had just gotten fired from Frasier. Wow.
No, he's not like that. You know what? He's smarter than that. No, but when I had my audition, I did it.
When I auditioned, it's just this small room. He's sitting at a desk. I'm in a chair. And the audition was like a little monologue thing.
And I thought, all right. But that's a good... I don't know what that means.
No. It wasn't like that. It was mad about you that changed a lot for me because I had been fired from Frasier and then... I did a guest star on Mad About You. They had me back. I'd already done a guest star the first season. So now I'm there for a different character. And my agents had said, you're not doing this. They called like in the morning. Can she just come in an hour?
The character is called Waitress. There's no name. And my agents at the time were saying, no, no, you can't. It doesn't even have a name. Don't do this. I said, I'm not in a position to say no. And it's to me the best show and I'm doing it. And by the end of the week, Danny Jacobson said, you're so funny. Would you be okay doing five more episodes? Just went, yes.
There's my rent for the year. I don't have to get another day job.
But during the run-throughs, because Jimmy was saying like, this isn't working, so just don't even... Right. They have to fix it.
Right. Because I was trying to, like, what's not working? What can I do? But I think they did make... a casting mistake with me because I went to the network with Perry Gilpin. Yeah.
Yes. And so I think they were just correcting a mistake.
But can I ask you guys something when you are fired from something?
I mean, I know for me, there's that moment of, wow, maybe this just isn't supposed to work out, this career choice.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, but that's what's important to me, like for younger artists who definitely have talent. And yes, you can be discouraged, but then you've got to pull yourself back up. Like, you know, that can't be your mindset for too long. Otherwise it won't work out. It's just not going to work.
Well, isn't that different in a... I think it's different in a good way, though. Do you? Because what I had always said was... Say yes to everything except porn. That was always my advice.
Keep going. But it worked out anyway for you. And that's a joke, everybody listening. No, still say no to porn, I think. I mean, I guess it depends on your level of comfort. Yeah, and what you think porn is. Everything's okay now. That's another issue. But that was it. It was just say yes to everything. You have no idea who's going to see it.
You have no idea what it's going to lead to, what you're going to learn from doing it. And now everyone has a camera and can post it on something.
Right. That's hard to do, period. I mean, that's sort of like the whole lifelong commitment.
Yes, we were all friends. Yeah. Is that it? Okay.
Yeah, but I mean, it was always on in syndication, so... Right, yeah.
Thanks. I know I'm the most proud of the comeback.
Well, I mean, it's a composite of people, honestly. I'm not trying to, you know, be coy. But it just was a composite of... Of a lot of different people that, you know, you'd see on talk shows. I had a character at the Groundlings called, you know, your favorite actress on a talk show. That's funny.
Well, it was. I mean, because it was way before Valerie Cherish.
Yes, you can. Welcome to Smart List. This is nice. Thanks. Oh, my God.
She says everything like it's a sitcom. Right. Yeah. Like a tag. Everything she says is a tag or a button. Wait, what?
Because Larry David can call up HBO and say, all right, I want to do more.
Well, yeah, we'll see. Michael Patrick King is busy with And Just Like That.
That's such a good question. I mean, I've spent the last few years being really interested in not producing and just acting and being cast. Yeah. And so I've done that. It's just none of it has come out yet. Okay. But it will all this year.
No, it's not that it's boring. I mean, for me, it just felt, yeah, it's a lot of work.
Right. So there's that. But then also it just felt so fraught, you know, also just with like HR issues and things like that. So I just wanted, okay, I'm not producing.
Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I mean, I loved, I produced a show, Who Do You Think You Are? Oh, yeah. Which is not scripted. I was on it. Yes. Oh, my God. So good. That was such a good episode.
Yeah. And I loved doing that. I mean, I loved the research stage, you know. Wow. Yeah. and like how you're going to lay out the story for the person to discover and where the documents are found and, you know, that stuff. I loved doing that show, producing that. That's great. And that's it. But, I mean, everything else is like, wow. And that's it. I don't know. But the comeback, yes.
I mean, because I write the comeback with Michael. So, yeah.
And Ian Morris, yes, fantastic. But when I first learned about it, it was just Tyke and Jermaine wrote the pilot. Such a good idea. And I went, well, I don't care, yes. Do I need to read it?
And it's in New Zealand. I've always wanted to see New Zealand.
I know. I'm trying right now with this system to watch. You know this Pix thing and they send you and you can try to watch things on it? It's really hard.
It's the stuff that happened backstage that was bad. That's what I'm saying. That's the best part. Oh, yeah. No, I have a lot of those. Because I am always working on my filter.
with people because I, to me, facts don't hurt, you know? So, you know, like letting someone know like, oh, I don't know about that sketch. It's more of like a ditty than a sketch. I mean, you just sort of, like, it feels like it belongs on a cruise ship.
Well, no, but here- Well, but I know I do that. So sometimes that's my joke too. Do you know what I mean? Then I'm being the person with no filter.
But that, I guess, was rough. And I didn't think it was rough to say. To me, it's just a song. And we were all being asked, what do you think of this piece?
From the thing? Is that because of the... He's like, that was my dream.
Thank you for doing this. Bye-bye. Do I log off?
Oui. But I'm not fluent. I'm not fluent in French.
Yeah, I do. I speak a little of it because my husband.
No, he just, he speaks so fast. I couldn't. And I did take it in high school. I took four years.
Yes. I thought this was it. I thought this was an audition, and so... Because you know we're not, like, filming this.
Yeah, it is. I'm actually trying to unblur it so you can see. Oh, there it is.
It's really beautiful. A lot of people end up at Vassar just from the tour.
Yeah. Really? And then they're disappointed they didn't go to Yale. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
I was a biology major, so there was no choice but to be academic because that's a big commitment.
Yeah, I thought I'll be pre-med. My dad's a doctor. My brother is starting medical school. And I thought, yeah, yeah, I'll be a doctor too.
Well, biology was really interesting to me. I loved it. Biology, I mean, it's such a huge... But what kind of doctor do you think you would have been? I don't know. I wasn't set on that. But halfway through, I went, oh, no, there's no way I'm going to be a practicing physician. There's no way.
Because I realized I wasn't as interested in that as I was in, I liked evolutionary biology. So I was just going to continue and do it.
Well, he got a lot of headaches and he was, you know, like a family practice or internist and then decided he would switch to just treating, researching headache.
Well, at the time, from what I remember, because I worked for him.
And at the time, there's nine different headache types at that time. Let's have them. So I don't know.
Of migraine, yeah, yeah. Hemiplegic, ophthalmic, classical, yeah.
I mean, a little, but, you know, there's a lot of new medications. My brother's a headache specialist. He's a neurologist who took over when my dad retired.
Or no? Well, I don't... Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. But...
I kind of knew a lot about cluster headache. That was this subset of headaches. It's not a migraine. What?
No, it's not. You know, I'm just about making people feel good.
Oh, well, I just, I'm the youngest in the family. So that's always like the least competent person in the house.
And they're older and really funny. And my dad is really funny and he's 91 and he still is. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just would repeat what they said, bring it back to school and sometimes get in trouble because it's like six and eight years older than what was appropriate for kindergarten or first grade. Right. Junior high, I did play production where we wrote sketches and performed them.
And that was huge for me. That was a very big deal.
Yeah, I did. I loved it. I did love it. Yeah, same.
Here's what's special about me. I loved Saturday Night Live.
No, Groundlings, that was after college. And that really wasn't about, I wasn't, my goal was not Saturday Night Live, but my goal was to avoid a dramatic acting class at all costs.
because from what I understood, they seemed like cults and it was just people taking everything way too seriously.
Yeah. Well, that was the huge revelation was, ooh, the comedy folk are way off. Like there's something really wrong.