Julie Kelly

Sure.

Hi, Natalie.

Always good to be with you.

Happy Good Friday.

Thanks for having me on.

You know, this was, I believe, months in the making.

It was no secret, and the president himself has said so.

His dissatisfaction with Pam Bondi, I think she had some solid accomplishments that she should be proud of.

However, the Epstein matter, debacle, files, whatever you want to call it, just became a dark cloud that

still hangs over this administration, unfortunately, to this day.

And a lot of that was prompted early on, shortly after she was confirmed in February of 2025, claiming that, you know, with those binders had Epstein files, that this was going to be the first of an ongoing production of so-called Epstein files.

Then she was kind of caught on camera saying that they had tens of thousands of videos of Jeffrey Epstein files.

with children and child pornography, kind of alluding to a client's list a few times, really amping up the expectations that were then, of course, turned around on the administration by Democrats in Congress and other Trumpers that you're talking about, including people like Tom Massey, who then leveraged this, I think, and made this, unfortunately, Natalie,

Once we look back at 2025, the Epstein files, Jeffrey Epstein, will be, unfortunately, the animating issue of the president's first year in office.

And I think some of that is attributed to Pam Bonney's handling or mishandling of it early on.

Yeah, great, great question.

And look, I cautioned people early on, and I know that Steve and I talked about this, and you and I talked about this.

There was an expectation, and of course, part of this was also created by Pam Bonney when she established that weaponization working group, and she laid out in that memo, we are going to look at Jack Smith.

We are going to look at the persecution of J-6ers.

We are going to look at the surveillance of