Jennifer
Appearances
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
I ran into Celeste and the girls coming out of the country club. And I said, what's wrong? And she says, well, Steve and I are getting divorced. And I said, you just got married. And she says, well, it's all my fault.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
And then there was this big trip planned to Europe. And they were going to be gone five or six weeks, I believe.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
The initiation fee at Austin Country Club is up over $125,000 now.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
We're going to begin with a murder mystery that was a talk of Texas.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
The dining room manager just adored her. He'd say things like, I wish I had two dozen of these, you know, referring to Celeste.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
How did you meet Stephen Beard? He was a member of Austin Country Club where my husband and I belonged, and that's how I knew Steve.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
There were several of us, the woman that tried to help Celeste integrate her into the club. There were other women there that had been longtime friends of Elise's that were pretty upset about it, to say the least. Steve and Celeste loved each other. It was what he needed at the time.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
I ran into Celeste and I said, what's wrong? And she says, well, Steve and I are getting divorced. And I said, you just got married.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
Jennifer especially, she and Steve would go for breakfast on Saturday mornings. They had a special bond.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
To the time that Steve built the house off Toro Canyon, and it was a very modern home. The master bedroom suite was on one wing, and then there was another wing that were girls' rooms.
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True Crime Vault: Tainted Love
It was crazy. Anything that she wanted, she got. New Cadillac every year, beautiful jewelry.
20/20
What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
What is the worst that happens? I go broke. I can't pay my loans. I start an OnlyFans, but only you guys subscribe.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Du hast gesagt, nein, Sir, die rechte Hand vor Gott, Vater, Sohn und Heiliger Geist. Ich habe diese Frau in keiner Form oder Form nicht bedroht, hast du nicht?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
And you were asked, do you know who did? You said, no, sir.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
In the middle of all this, you were able to take a telephone call from your mother, Shirley King, that morning at 9.42, weren't you?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Are you familiar with the fact that if you testify in a beneficial way to the state, that they could make a request that your federal sentence be reduced?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
So you're testifying here today. You're telling the jury today that you have absolutely no knowledge that what you do here might affect the federal sentence that you have to serve of 100 months.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Aber es gibt einen potenziellen Deal. Es bleibt da draußen.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
When you thought that she had heard your name, you knew Zack Adams, according to your story, was getting ready to shoot her. You never said, stop, don't do it, did you?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
You said, wait a minute, let me make sure nobody's coming.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
So you did something to help him kill her, according to your story, didn't you?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Ich brauchte mehr Zeit, um in diesem Fall zu vorbereiten. Ich fühlte nie, dass ich bereit war, besonders nachdem Jason Autry seine ganze Geschichte verändert hat.
20/20
What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Sie gab eine Pressekonferenz nach dem Verdikt. and that we just cannot help but be just heartbrokenly disappointed in the verdict in this case. We knew going in it was going to be a very hard case to win because you have this beautiful young woman who had been taken from her home. And those facts balanced against my client who had had a tough, kind of a tough background.
20/20
What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
He'd been involved in drugs. He'd been a drug addict. I'm concerned that the jury might go for death.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
It's almost just like trying to drink from a fire hydrant, all the information they got.
20/20
What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Sie hatten nichts. Sie hatten ein großes Schmuck. Sie haben all diese Geld bezahlt und sie hatten absolut nichts dafür. Und die Bürger von Decatur County, die Familie von Holly Bobo und das Publikum insgesamt wollten Antworten darauf, wie so ein Verbrechen passieren könnte, wie die Polizei sofort involviert werden könnte.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Und immer noch, nach all den Ressourcen und all der Informationen, die sie hatten, konnten sie absolut niemanden bei diesem Punkt beurteilen.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
They went through Zach Adams' house and they took over 500 items out of that house. They took all the material off of all the mattresses. They took giant chunks of carpeting out of that house. They took whole pieces of furniture, upholstered chairs, leather couches, all kinds of ottomans and pillows and blankets and shelving.
20/20
What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Sie haben ein Loch in der Flur geschmissen, das so groß wie ein Auto ist. Sie haben durch Dick Adams' Haus gesucht. Sie haben vier Autos von der Addams-Familie gesehen und durch alle Autos gegangen. Nachdem sie durch das ganze Haus gegangen sind, gibt es kein DNA, das Holly zum Haus passt. Es gibt keine Fingerprinte, die Holly zum Haus oder zum Auto passen. Es gibt kein Haar.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
Von Holly, das passt zu Holly, zu Mr. Adams' Haus.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Fourteen Days
All die Beweise zeigen, dass Zach Adams nicht schuld ist.
20/20
The Code Breakers
When you don't have answers, you just have questions all the time. But it definitely changed me. It really changed me. I slept with a machete under my mattress for years.
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The Code Breakers
Real hard. I felt a certain point that I wasn't sure that they would ever find out.
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The Code Breakers
He definitely came in and kind of was her knight in shiny armor. They were a happy little family.
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The Code Breakers
The floor goes out from under you. It was like, no way. This cannot be happening.
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The Code Breakers
She was very good about locking her doors. I would call her and I would say, hey, I'm going to come over and I would go to her door. It was locked and I would knock and she would, you know, who is it? And then she would let me in.
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The Code Breakers
Joseph County. It really was, you know, like, wow, we're going to get some answers. We're going to find some things out.
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The Code Breakers
No way, this cannot be happening. Again, like a disbelief. How could this happen?
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The Code Breakers
He's a coward. To take her away from all of us in the manner that he did, and then he got to go live his life. You're not going to give us any answers. I mean, he's just a coward.
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The Code Breakers
It was very unsettling that something like that could happen. It just didn't make any sense. None of it made any sense.
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The Code Breakers
Kathy and I were very good friends. I've known her since grade school, so we've been friends a long time. Kathy was like somebody you could count on. She was a good listener, always there for you, just a, you know, good person.
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The Code Breakers
A police officer came to my apartment, and he asked me to go to the station. I remember him asking me questions, you know, do you know anybody that would want to hurt Kathy, along those lines. And I finally just was like, what's going on? Is Kathy okay? And he told me, and I just... I don't even remember. Um... I know that the first thing out of my mouth was, is Courtney okay? Where is Courtney?
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The Code Breakers
I had no doubt in my mind that he didn't. have anything to do with this. I knew it in my heart. No, he loved her. She and Courtney were his world.
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The Code Breakers
Well, that's who I told them to look at and, you know, to question. I know a lot of other people did, too. I don't know how to really describe it, but it was not a good relay. They were not good together.
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The Code Breakers
I thought, that's got to be it. Because again, it's got to be somebody she knew, somebody she trusted.
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The Code Breakers
They've got handprints. They've got footprints. Why are they not finding this person? It was like the talk of the town forever.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I was scared and I was upset for her, but I was also mad at her because she promised me that she wouldn't go with him. She promised me.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I remember her calling me and she was upset. She was crying. And I thought that maybe they had a fight, whatever. But she was telling me that she was worried about Jeremy. Something bad had happened. Jeremy had told her he'd gotten into a fight with some guy. And the story was that the guy was gay and made a pass at him. And he had grabbed a bottle and he hit him with it.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
Didn't know if he knocked him out or what happened. And they got out of there. So she's telling me he's telling her all of that. And she kept saying, I think there's more. I think there's more. There's more to it. And she sounded scared to me. And I remember telling her, whatever you do, if he shows up, don't leave with him. Don't go anywhere. I made her promise.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I swear to me, you're not going to do anything stupid. You're not going to go anywhere. Basically trying to talk her into staying put.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I remember getting up, you know, took a shower. My hair was wet. I was combing my hair. And I walked out through the kitchen into the dining room, and on the dining room table was the newspaper, Lakeland Ledger. That was normal. And I went over and I grabbed it.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I always like to read the comics, you know, so I grabbed it and bang, right on the front page, there's the story about someone found murdered. And the things that they were saying in the news article were, you know, pretty much lining up with some of the stuff that she had told me.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
So I started freaking out, like, oh my God, he killed this guy. You know, so I called her grandmother's house and she was gone. They didn't know where she was. She'd left with Jeremy. And at that point, I kind of freaked out because I'm reading this. He's obviously murdered someone. In my mind, obviously murdered someone. And now my friend is gone. My pregnant friend is gone somewhere with him.
Bone Valley
Jeremy | Chapter 2 - Destroyer
I went and I found my mom and I went to her crying. I had the paper in my hand and I took it to her and I told her what Jamie had told me and I showed her the article.
Dateline NBC
Talking Dateline: The Devil's in the Details
That's when we started realizing that things were bad and that she had been lying.
Flightless Bird
Focus on The Family
It is, yes. My brother and I are at the gym, so we're just going to go into a room real quick, okay? We're going to just hide out in a tanning gun room. Okay.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
That was my first thought. Yes, because so many Americans have $250 rolling around for one bill for the most valuable president. I think if I'm not mistaken, you called it when they were introducing that they wanted to put Donald Trump on Mount Rushmore. I think it was around that time. Yeah.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
So something that is just absolutely appalling and not unexpected at all in an administration where sexual abuse and misogyny is at the highest level. But the despicable Tate brothers who have been held in Romania, who have been alleged to be rapist and human traffickers. And I've seen some of the videos that Andrew has posted on the Internet, and it is chilling. And they fled Romania to America.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
Every day I wake up and I think, today's the day MAGA is not going to be dumber than the day before. But that was not today. Because we have now introduced the idea of a bill with Trump's face on it at $250. a $250 bill.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
Now, let me just take you back to Alina Haba being on a podcast with Andrew Tate in the last 30 days saying how great he was and how she was a big fan. And he was a victim of prosecution, just like Donald Trump. And so this administration, according to reports, had been putting pressure on Romania to release them back to the United States. And it is despicable.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
And you know who else is not happy about it? Kitten heels. Governor Kitten heels is madder than a hornet because they went to Florida. Let's hear what he has to say.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
promote he and donald trump so who's the beneficiary of this that is my question entirely why was trump pressuring the trump administration pressuring romania why is alina haba on their podcast fluffing him up not their podcast but a podcast with them so that's the question what's the connection what's the uh transactional nature is it money i don't understand what it is but i like you want to tell
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
Governor DeSantis, if you're waiting on Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem to fix this, good fucking luck.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
100% it is, and this is sterling proof, but it will be interesting in the next few weeks when it comes out why. Why is Trump so integrally involved with the Tate brothers?
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
And Representative Joe Wilson says, I am grateful to announce that I am drafting legislation to direct the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to design a $250 bill featuring Donald J. Trump. Bidenflation has destroyed the economy, forcing American families to carry more cash. Most valuable bill for the most valuable president. Are you kidding me?
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
100%. One thing that I found extremely interesting was the, let me get this name right, the Ohio Capital Journal, which is the hometown paper of JD Vance, came out with an absolute excreting article about what a lapdog vice president he has been, how he has embarrassed Ohio. And this is just a quote.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
The lapdog vice president, with evidently a lot of time on his hands, has managed to be firmly rebuked by the pope Pope Francis, denounced by outraged NATO allies and widely ridiculed for his bizarre masculinity rant at a weekend MAGA Fest just a month into his tenure. She wrote, way to create a buzz, acute embarrassment back home. I hope they're embarrassed, but I'm not sure.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
I mean, I would hope they're embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. I know you're embarrassed. I think some of these people like it.
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
so that's just a little uplifting database i do somewhat want to talk about coming up we have all of this information coming out about uh
IHIP News
LOL...DeSantis is Pissed at Daddy Trump
measles the smallpox the bird flu and just keep an eye on the fact that the united states is no longer part of the world health organization as all these different infections are coming that's something we all need to keep our eye out on i want i just want to point out for the viewer that there are more children with measles in the united states of america than there are trans athletes in the ncaa very astute point all right we'll see you all later
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
This is for me. The majority of the people who consume this show are listening to it in audio only format.
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
It is
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
In college, yeah. In Tallahassee. I want to kill my sister.
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
Yeah. Yeah. Don't exaggerate.
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
Mahalo!
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
I can't wait.
Last Podcast On The Left
Episode 610: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - The Doomsday Murders Part II - Ticking Time Bomb
Well, I'm still hailing him while I can.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Reality was just bent. It was a really odd time. I'm just looking at one page where my husband's grandfather was coming through. my husband called his grandfather pop and she said pop likes boy resting um i don't know what this means pop wants you to know You drive the Nissan to New Jersey. My husband had a Nissan car, and that's where he was from, New Jersey.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Just notice that, just be careful if you drive to New Jersey. Pop just said hi. That was it. It was kind of like, it was kind of hard to read. I'm trying to decipher words from, some of her words have extra letters in them.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
No. Again, I think it was like a time thing. His grandfather knew that Paul had a Nissan and that sometimes he would drive to go see them or something. And my husband said that's something like he would say, like, oh, you know, be careful driving. That's something that he would always mention. If you're driving, be careful. So it was kind of like a, to let him know that that was truly him.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
One time, and I was really excited about the time when Jamie mentioned that your cat Mishu is here. He wants to tell you thank you for helping him when he was hit by a car. He's the one with the short tail. He's here and he wants to thank you for helping him and saving his life. And that was, I loved that cat so much. So that was a real highlight in our conversations.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I was really happy to know that if that is true, that Animals live on and animals can communicate with us, but Mishu had such an impact upon my life. That was just as exciting as getting a reading from my dad. Because he said, thanks for saving me, but I felt like, oh no, Mishu, you saved me, dude, you know?
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
One time she wrote the words pea soup over and over and over again, pea soup, pea soup, pea soup, and laughing. And I said, what, what is it? And I remember she wrote, oh, you'll see. And so a day goes by. I think it was a Friday she was writing that. Saturday I called my sister, and we were chit-chatting, and the conversation always went to Jamie, like, oh, did Jamie say anything unusual?
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I said, well, actually, yeah, she was writing pea soup. And I remember my sister spitting something out, and I said, what is it? She's like, I'm eating pea soup right now. I made it yesterday homemade. How does she know this? How was she able to see these things? I don't know. I would test her to make sure that she was reading my mind.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
I don't know why, and it was just kind of, it turned out to be kind of like something funny between us. Sometimes testing her and testing myself, I would, while we were typing something, doing work, when I had a suspicion that she could read my mind, I would look away or close my eyes while she was typing, and I would just repeat a word like purple, purple, purple.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I would look, and lo and behold, she would have been typing purple, purple, purple. And then I thought, am I writing these messages? You know, you're going all over the place trying to find an explanation. I tested that theory too. And I would purposely ask her questions that I didn't know the answer to. One time I wrote, what is my great grandmother's name? And she wrote Sadie.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I said, okay. And then I was looking up a family tree, looking it up, looking it up. I think I called my cousin who was into genealogy and sure enough, it was freaking Sadie. You know, so she knew information that I didn't know. But one time I did ask her, who killed JFK? And she said that line from the Rolling Stones, you know, sympathy for the devil.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Who killed the Kennedys when after all it was you and me? And I thought, okay, she's just... playing with me. Like I said, that was part of her personality.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Oh, I know! I remember specifically when, that first time, when she channeled my dad, we went back to the classroom and Jamie got on her rocking chair. She had a rocking chair in the classroom that was hers, specifically for her. And just rock for as long as she could, maybe an hour.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Rock on the rocking chair, close her eyes, or she would often put headphones on and listen to music and just decompress. And she really did that that day. I could tell that It was obvious that she was very tired. And it's like she really, throughout the day, when we were talking, she needed to decompress, always, in the rocking chair, back and forth, her eyes closed, headphones on.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Just maybe trying to dull the noises. Sometimes she mentioned there are these People won't leave her alone. I don't know if she was hearing voices from people. I don't know, but it seemed like the headphones gave her some sort of comfort and distance from whatever she was dealing with, whatever she could hear.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Something very snake-like lifted its head out of the water.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
You know, like I mentioned before, I've always loved animals, and I'm the type of person where I'm more of a listener. I find it very uncomfortable talking about myself. I'm a pretty quiet person. I always ask people questions if I do, but I just, I'm quiet. I just like to really observe people and go outside and observe the birds and observe nature, so...
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
She appeared to me as if she was able to hear and see things that we just could not perceive, just like animals can. She was able to tune in to things around us, around her environment that we weren't able to, as if she could turn a radio dial. That's how I kind of interpreted her gift. She told me don't say anything, but I knew not to say anything to her parents. They were very strict.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
They had her when they were older, Southern Baptist, going to church all the time. And if they knew that she had this gift, I don't know if they would look at it as if it was a gift and maybe something else. I don't know, but I just felt like I didn't want to put her in that situation to cause any drama in her life. Not only could she relay messages from people or animals who have passed on.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
She often commented about the tree of life. And I still don't know what she was meant by that. I asked her to give me more details. She would say, the tree of life is crying. And when I pressed her on it, I remember I said, Jamie, what do you mean? Enlighten me. And I remember she said, boy, are you dumb. She wrote something about heal every seed on the tree of life.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
I remember she would write, the tree of life is crying. Let me see, I'm just kind of scanning through these things that she wrote. Oh, she wrote, I think the tree of life can help your mind heal. See, and it was kind of like these cryptic messages that she wouldn't really give me more information about what she meant.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I wrote on one of the pages, on one of my notes, mentioning the Tree of Life again. Why? I don't know.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Oh, Jack, what does that mean, the Tree of Life? She never gave me any detailed answers. I don't know what it means. I don't know what the tree of life meant to her. It was, it's a puzzle.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Most of the time, our conversations were held in the school library there, because that's a place where we can get some of our schoolwork done, and we had space to chit-chat and do schoolwork.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Yes. For example, I have a page here. For some reason, we were talking about geometry. Maybe in math class, she had to define geometry. And she wrote the study of points in space. This is what she typed. Line. And she was supposed to define it. And then she said, here is Beulah. That's my grandmother. Okay. And then she, again, she said here, I'm just reading this about the geometry and line.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Something dead, just tree of life. Get a nice, great, dear, kind, just tree of life. Here is no life. Tree, desire, life, desire. Then it's just random letters. And that was it. Then the rest of the words are just, they don't make any sense. When I was having conversations with Jamie, Sometimes I would wonder, is she extracting things that I already know? Am I talking?
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Is she, sometimes it seemed like somebody else was just like moving through her. Like it wasn't necessarily her, but somebody was taking her over her. Like she was just a vessel. Yes, she could see things in my apartment. She asked me why I have certain things in my apartment. I don't know how she was able to... To know that.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
So, you know, there is that term remote viewing that I wondered, is that what she was doing? Whatever it was, remote viewing or astral projection, whatever was happening, whatever the title, there was... an uneasiness when I got home. And during the weekends, it was very difficult because I was home by myself.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
At least during the week when I was at work, I was distracted, but on the weekends, and my God, especially at night, I was terrified. And that is just not who I am. I don't get scared easily. And if I do, I can easily kind of talk myself out of situations. I try to think of the logical way of dealing with something. But it was terrifying. Especially at nighttime.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Because that's when the cats started making noises. And... things started happening at night, especially. So I think that it was interfering with my sleep, certainly. And you know, when you're sleep deprived, it just ramps up the anxiety that I was experiencing throughout this whole ordeal. So one night I was asleep. And I woke up and I was fully awake.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And I remember thinking to myself, I asked, huh, I wonder why I'm awake. And as soon as I had that thought in my head, my closet light turned on. And that was terrifying. I just remember throwing the blankets over my head and just saying, oh my God, what? what is happening here. I felt like, you know, from the Eye of Sauron, from The Hobbit, like somebody was watching me.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Somebody was interested and focused on me. It was really unsettling. This experience was very strange, very bizarre to say the least. And I think even more so that it was happening in a small Southern middle school. I think at the beginning, this conversation with Jamie, it was kind of fun. I was excited. I was really excited to connect with my dad. My siblings were really intrigued by it.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
You know, my dad died when we were all very young, so being able to connect with him in this way, I mean, we'll take it. We're talking to our dad. that we love so much. But since he was gone for so long, it was just kind of, you know, out of our memory. So it was an exciting time. And it felt like a huge gift that somebody gave me a huge gift. It was incredible.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
And my siblings and I still talk about it, that dad came out of... nowhere and talk to us. But as the days would continue and the weeks, and we're getting into the middle of it, and when she was revealing that she knew things in my apartment, it was kind of as if that she was interfering with my life and stepping into my personal life too much. And I became really uneasy about that.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
Like I said, it just seemed like something, she or something else was watching me. And it was very uneasy. And my husband saw things, I didn't see it, but popping of lights in the hallway. He described it as like pops of electricity that he would see, like static energy through the hallway. Like, I never saw that, but he did. I remember smoking a lot of cigarettes.
Otherworld
Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
I dreaded going to sleep at night. I don't smoke anymore, but that was really... Smoking cigarettes was, like, the only thing that could get me through. It was so stressful. I just didn't want it anymore. I didn't want to know. It was just...
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Episode 104: The Reader Pt. 2
too much and when I found out that we were moving away I think that was the best thing that could have ever happened to me because I just I couldn't wait to leave that it was just just too much. My husband is a civil engineer and so it was a temporary job for him. So he told me in the beginning of the year, in like the January, that we would be moving to Boston. And that was the best news.
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As cool as it was, it was just so much of questioning my life, questioning reality. So I was kind of happy to put a period at the end. even though I loved her so much. We had a great relationship. She was super sweet. We got along great. But I kind of feel like she couldn't help but to relay these messages. People or animals who have passed over were just flooding her and it exhausted her.
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And I know that sometimes she would have like tantrums, like it was too much for her. One time in particular, Jamie was having a meltdown in math class. Started screaming, started crying, like slamming her body against the desk. And I was like, oh my God, let's go. Let's go out of the classroom. And as we were leaving, I grabbed her computer so she could tell me hopefully what was bothering her.
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When we went into the courtyard, I said, my God, what's wrong? Tell me what's wrong. And she revealed to me that Beulah, she wrote, Beulah and Monroe won't leave me alone. And Beulah and Monroe were my dad's parents, whom I have never met, by the way. And I remember looking up at the sky like, what happened? what the hell is going on here?
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I said, Jamie, tell them just to go away and leave you alone. And Jamie said, I can't do that. You have to tell them to stop and to leave me alone. So that's what I did in the courtyard of this middle school. I said, Grandma and Grandpa, I'm flattered that you're trying to communicate with me, and I love you, but you've got to stop bothering Jamie. It's interfering with her life.
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It was just like a burden. And I just wanted all this just to stop for her sake. It was too much. Maybe I was interfering in her life. So I was kind of happy that the relationship was short-lived. I told Jamie that she probably already knew. But I told her one day in class, I remember sitting outside with her. It was a...
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January or February when I already let the administration know that we would be moving and they're trying to find a replacement for me. I remember Jamie and I were sitting on one of the benches outside. She was upset that morning and I hated to assume that she was upset because I was leaving because, again, I'm not that type of person to think that. Oh, like, she really cared. I don't know.
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I'm just... But we went outside. I think I could tell that she was upset. So, you know, walking outside is always good to calm her down. She was crying, and I told her, I said, look, you know, we're leaving. We'll be moving in a couple months. And... I think we were both crying. I remember sitting on the bench crying, and I told her, don't worry.
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I'll always be your friend, and we can always write each other, and I know that whoever is going to come to replace me is also going to love you, and talking about the times that we had with each other and, like, the funny times, but it was difficult. It was... I was crying too because, you know, she had a, and still does, had a profound effect upon my life.
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And I consider her like a real angel to me. She just changed my life. It was hard to leave her. I remember somebody new came in. She was kind of shadowing me for a couple of days with Jamie and... Jamie was really sweet to her, too. I didn't mention anything to her about my experience. I think the last time I saw her... The classroom was nice enough to have a going-away party for me.
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In that classroom, we had refreshments, and we were taking pictures. We were playing music. And just hugs goodbye. You know, her parents came. I shook the father's hand and told them how much I loved their daughter, and I appreciate the time that we had with each other. And I said, please, like, keep in touch. You know, I let them know that
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She was my friend and I love her and that was pretty much it. It was hard, but you know, interestingly, Jamie used to come in my dreams all the time and tell me things. She was talking to me in her own voice, but she was always like present in my life. I think about it all the time because I remember she would say like teaching me things, like guiding me.
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And I remember she, I asked her a question in my dream and she said to me what she said to me before when we were working with each other. Maybe I was asking like an obvious question like, and she said, boy, are you dumb? Like, don't you get it? Like, wake up. trying to tell me something. And that was kind of always the message to her. Like, don't you get it? And I was like, no, I don't.
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Like, tell me. And that was kind of the theme of the dreams. Then it stopped. Maybe she just moved on. But we ended up moving back to Savannah, maybe like five or six years later. And I was working in a classroom with high-functioning autistic kids. You know, we moved around so much, and it was actually the same principal that... I knew in the middle school.
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He was now the principal of that high school. And so I don't know if I reached out to him and I told him I was back, if there were any jobs at the high school. And he told me, yeah, well, we need somebody to work in this classroom. And I said, okay, great. I'll take it because I just moved back and I needed a job. And I think that's how that came to be.
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So a weird thing that happened when I moved back, I remember vividly, I was sitting in our house watching TV and the phone ring, this is before cell phones, the phone ring, and it was Jamie's father. And he asked if I'd be interested in working with Jamie for the new school year. And I said, oh, well, gosh, thank you. I'm flattered.
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I already spoke with the principal at the high school, and I'm actually going to be working there, but I already have a job. But thank you. After we hung up, I'm thinking to myself, how does he even know that I'm back in Savannah? And also, how did I get my phone number? That was pre-cell phone. That was still phone plugged into the wall. So new phone number.
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I didn't have a cell phone at that time. Yeah, brand new phone number and only in town for maybe a month. Again, we were pretty much like, again, strangers in a strange town. We didn't have mutual acquaintances. When I thought, how could he have possibly known that I was even in town, I just came to the conclusion that Jamie must have told him.
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Jamie must have told him because somehow she knew where I was, and somehow she knew my phone number and told him. So I did see her again. I didn't work with her ever again. But I would see her in the hallway on occasion. And yeah, I saw her and she had somebody that was working with her. And she kind of ignored me. She moved on. And I just kind of said, oh, you know, Jamie, hi, good to see you.
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And I introduced myself to her, the person with whom she was working. But like I said, it just seems like that person Chapter was closed. She had really no desire to speak with me. And I was fine with that. That was that. And after that, I remember seeing her in the hallway. And I said, oh, hi, Jamie. And I remember she looked at me kind of sideways. But she grabbed on to...
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The gal that was working with her grabbed her arm and she smiled at me. She didn't hug me, she didn't ignore me, but she acknowledged me, but that was about it. She was friendly, but it wasn't the same. And that's okay. One time when I was substitute teaching, I became friendly with a gal And she said, oh, you know Jamie? And I said, yes, I used to work with her when she was at the middle school.
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My dad was the primary one and he lasted for like two or three weeks. I think our first conversation when she was channeling my dad was October 31st. And then there were conversations every day after that. He would ask me to play Rachmaninoff for him. Now, it seemed as if my dad still talked to me as if I were a little kid. Like, time was... off.
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And she said, oh, I worked with her too. And I found her to be very, how would you say, intuitive. And I said, oh, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. We all have, you know, our gifts in life. And sometimes people dismiss others for being a little different. I know that Jamie was an extreme case and she had incredible gifts.
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But even if she didn't have these gifts, Jamie was somebody who shared the same insecurities as a typical eighth grader would. Jamie had a wicked sense of humor as a typical eighth grader. Moody, as a typical eighth grader, she just wanted to be treated like everybody else and understood. You know, you grow up thinking there are certain things in life. There's life and there's death.
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And when we die, that's it. I was experiencing somebody who was able to read my thoughts and I still can't wrap my head around that. I still don't understand how that's possible. That somebody was able to see me without being in my company. My reality shifted, and I started questioning everything. I questioned whether I was even alive or not. I questioned everything.
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As cool as it is, it was also very unsettling. I felt very insecure. I had a lot of anxiety during this time. I just didn't understand what was real. My whole thought of what reality was just completely shifted. I felt like I was Alice in Wonderland. What she told me was an absolute gift that I will cherish forever.
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Those messages from my father and from my cat Nishu, those messages from my husband's grandfather, they meant so much and they were life changing and they're beautiful. I don't look at life as complicated anymore. I look at the world as a place with unlimited possibilities. I think that maybe God does exist and
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I'm not alone in the world and there is some sort of life after death and there is probably power in prayer that when we think and we feel something, when we want something, there is power in our thoughts. Now I know that to be absolutely true. I know that. I think the biggest takeaway is You never know what will be revealed to you in unexpected ways or through an unexpected messenger.
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He still talked to me and referred to my brother and sister as if we were children, but then knew about our adult lives as well. So he asked, did I practice my piano? Please make sure you play an instrument. And he asked why my brother wasn't taking baseball lessons. My brother was 40 years old at that time.
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So I would come home and I would put Rachmaninoff on and the next day he would thank me for playing Rachmaninoff. He would ask in these writings that he noticed that he has a picture of his mother in my living room and that he's with her right now and it's great. He also mentioned that he has My dog and cat, while we were growing up, he said, Poochie and Susie are with me.
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He also asked me why I had a picture of my Uncle Jack in his living room. That was his brother, and they didn't get along with each other. And he kind of reprimanded me about having that picture of Uncle Jack in my living room. So I remember one day when I got home, I turned the picture over. And the next day he said, it's good that you took Jack's picture, that you turned it over.
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On one of the pages, my dad was reprimanding my brother. He said he drinks too much. This was overwhelming for me, and it started making me feel uncomfortable because it was so bizarre. I was telling my brother and my sister all this of what's happened, and we, you know, what do you say? There was no logical explanation. In my hometown, there was a priest called, his name was Father Joe.
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He's a really cool guy. You know, the whole neighborhood knew him. You often see him in like 7-Eleven buying lottery tickets. Really approachable, down-to-earth guy. I called Father Joe, and I told him what was happening. And he didn't seem too surprised about it. He just said, are they asking you to do anything? I said, no, other than playing Rachmaninoff or little things like that, but no.
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He said, are they asking you to do anything uncomfortable for you? I said, no. And he said, well, it's just take it as a gift from God. And that gave me comfort. Another one, he writes, I want you to talk to Natasha and tell her to play an instrument. And then he writes heaven. I must have asked him, where are you? And he, there's heaven was written down.
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I need to let you know how much I love that love you. Tell everyone hello, because tell them He loves you and to tell you hello. And I asked him if he's trying to tell me something. Is there a warning? Is everything okay? And I remember thinking that in my head and it says, no, no warning. Please tell your mother I always loved her. And tell dear Shirley to go to Hollywood.
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My dad always used to tell my sister that she belongs in Hollywood. Tell Ernest to hear me. He is good to doubt. He's kind of like me to doubt. Now, my brother was very suspicious of all of this and he was very frightened. And he said, I just don't believe that's really dad. Tell him he needs to find a girlfriend and tell him to take her to, and I can't read that word. I don't know what it says.
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Please, kind daughter, please learn to play the piano again. And here, read your Bible. Read your Joe. That was Father Joe. Read your Joe. Talk to him just in case you need relief from all of this. And he said, of course I understand. Goodbye, dear daughter. Please, yes, goodbye, reader. You're welcome. Goodbye to all of you. Love you, too.
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So that was an acknowledgement that he knew I talked to Father Joe. I asked him in my mind if he is in peace, and he wrote, is in peace now. I like your grandmother in your living room. That was the picture of her. I love that you turned the picture of Jack over. He's your uncle, but he is just your relative. He's not your uncle, really.
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He mentioned, I remember one Father's Day with him before he died. He said, maybe in my mind, I asked him if he remembers that Father's Day. And he said, Father's Day with the chocolate cake He said, don't smoke, don't ruin your lungs. I was, at this point in particular, that's the only thing that kept me going. I was smoking packs of cigarettes because I was so nervous.
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He said, Poochie is with him. That was my dog growing up that my dad got us. And Susie, they're here, they tell you hello. And then I mentioned his... his wife that he married after my mom and he said I had to marry her because she needed help to get out of Russia. And then it says just one more thing, you're kind and you're really sweet.
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Tell Ernest, tell him to play baseball and to beat his drinking habit. He drinks too much and you tried to tell him. My sister, he said she is doing good. I hear that she's divorced with Tony. That was her ex-husband. But happy your sister is happy. Your mother gets upset at Grazina. That was my mom's first child. And then he wrote about his childhood.
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He said, my childhood was terrible, really, because I didn't have your grandmother there to love me. His mother died giving birth to him. And I was jealous that you had a mother who loved you. But my mother, she's with me now, and it's great. Tell everyone I'll try later. From the conversations you had with her,
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Let me see. I asked him one time what death was like. I was trying to... I remember thinking, all right, let me try to get some information then about... about life after death, but he, in one of the writings, I said, what is death like? And he said, oh, try it sometime. He said something like that. You know, something vague, and he had a,
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He had a great sense of humor, too, and I could hear that personality coming through. Try it sometime. Everything was... I asked him if he was in heaven, and he said yes. So I thought, well, that's... I wanted more details, but he wouldn't share that. What struck me is that he was still holding resentment towards his brother. So not everything is hunky-dory when you die.
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He had the same personality. I... I don't know, but she said that she saw him. Now, I don't know what that means. She said, on one of the writings, she said, your dad really wants to talk to him right now. I see him right here. So she saw him and she was describing what he looks like to me. in the school library. Of course, I didn't see anything, but somehow she was able to see him.
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Now, what is that? Is it an energy? What is that? I don't know. I wanted more details, but it seemed as if maybe I wasn't asking the right questions. I'm not sure, but he didn't reveal any of those juicy details to me.
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I feel like he was able to see everything because he noticed things in my house. One time he commented that my kitchen was messy.
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Yeah. Again, he knew that I had a picture of his mother in my living room.
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I know. I don't know how it's possible. I remember at that point, I was just all over the place. Like I said, I was very excited that this was happening. I couldn't believe I was talking to my dad. But on the other hand, what the fuck, you know? How is this happening? And at one point, really, I thought, maybe I'm dead. Maybe, or I thought I was losing it. I started doubting myself.
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And I said, Jamie, is this like appropriate? And so she typed that on her laptop and it sounded like, can I tell you a dirty joke? But the punchline for that was a white horse fell in a mud pit or something like that. That was her kind of sense of humor. Her memory was extraordinary, and I'm not sure why.
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Maybe because when we were, like I mentioned, we were reading The Hobbit, and she must have remembered details about The Hobbit that I was thinking, wow, you remember that? Let me go back on page 27 to check, or something along those lines. I had a sneaking suspicion that her memory was extraordinary. So I remember one time in class,
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I picked up a dictionary and I just opened it up and showed it to her, put it in her face, like, look at this dictionary. And I could see that she was kind of like scanning it with her eyes. I said, okay, now you write down what was in the dictionary. And effortlessly, she was writing everything verbatim on that dictionary page.
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You know, and that was, that really taught me a lesson that we were reading The Hobbit and she got the character. She knew, she understood the story. She knew what was going on. And sadly, a lot of people just dismissed her as probably being unintelligent. But she was very intuitive, very bright. Yeah, very smart. I think most of the time the other students just saw her as invisible.
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They didn't really respond to her. They didn't acknowledge her. They didn't include her. And a lot of times the teachers as well, you know, if they're passing out papers, you know, a lot of the times the teachers wouldn't pass something to Jamie. And then when I would say, hey, you know, I need one of those, you know, and she's like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. We're just invisible.
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I don't think she knew it. I could tell. Sometimes she would say that she was sad, that I know just from knowing her as long as I did that she wasn't able to express herself. that nobody, especially since she couldn't speak. And like I said, she wasn't stupid. She saw how people responded to her. And I know she picked up on that.
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For example, I remember we were reading The Hobbit in her English class, and the teacher was going from student to student. Everybody was reading about a paragraph. And even though Jamie couldn't form words, she could still make sound. And when it got to our turn to read, you know, the teacher just naturally skipped Jamie without even asking like, hey, do you wanna read?
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And so she skipped us and I said, hey, Jamie will read. And so Jamie would look at the way I structured my mouth to form words, and she would make noises, make sounds. She kind of sounded like what a deaf person sounds like when they're trying to speak. But she was trying. And even one time in class, she read a paragraph of The Hobbit out loud, and The kids, they clapped for her.
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And it's like things like that, and she was so proud of herself. that was such a, that was such a touching moment because God bless her, man. You know, it's, being her could not be easy, but she always tried and she like just was so desperate to, you know, fit in like a regular teenager. And, um, So that was nice that they clapped. And I, you know, that was such a special moment.
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And it was good for the other kids too, to see her as, hey, that she is somebody and she's trying to do something, even though it was difficult for her. I think it was a great lesson for everybody. But yeah, overall, she was completely ignored. Nobody spoke with her. I mean, a couple kids were interested and wanted to help, but primarily, you know, she was invisible.
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One time, I remember, now that we're talking, she said, free me from this hell that I'm in.
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Something very snake-like lifted its head out of the water.
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I don't think she wanted to be in that situation. It was frustrating for her to be her. I remember we were at the school computer, and again, I was just asking her random questions just to get to know her better. I noticed that we had a lot in common based on her answers. I remember asking her, and I would ask her questions out loud. I said, oh, what did you have for dinner last night?
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And she let me know that she wanted to respond, so I held her wrist, and she held out her pointer finger and started typing that she had cream of wheat with applesauce on top. And I thought, oh my gosh, that's what I had for dinner. I said, I didn't think anybody but me put applesauce in their cream of wheat. Weird. But I was elated that we had this weird thing in common.
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Maybe the same day or maybe the next day, again, we were chit-chatting in the school library on the computer, and I asked her a series of questions, and one of them was, What'd you do last night? She responded that she watched the Yankees game. And again, I got excited because at that time I was watching the Yankees. That's when Derek Jeter was on, Giambi.
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And we spent a few minutes talking about the game. Oh, did you see that play? I can't believe Jeter did this. You know how it is when you watch something and somebody else watches it. It's kind of fun to talk about highlights. And I remember that afternoon during the dismissal, her father came to pick her up, and I said, oh, Jamie and I are both Yankees fans, evidently.
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And he looked at me with a puzzled look on his face, and I said, didn't you guys watch the game last night? And he said, no, we're not baseball fans at my house. And I was taken aback. And I said, oh, maybe she watched it in another room. And again, he was kind of like chuckling. He said, oh, the only thing Jamie likes to watch is like Teletubbies. And she watches like little kiddie cartoons.
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And I thought, oh, God, that's weird. I started thinking that something was different because little things that we were on the same page with, they kind of weren't adding up. And that awareness came when he didn't know what I was talking about with the baseball. So then something in my head told me there was just something wrong How would she know these things?
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Just something, it's like, you know, you're in your spidey sense. My spidey sense was going off. I noticed day after day, these little strange things that she would write to me, but that things that I was thinking that she would write down. But again, you try to find a logical explanation for everything. At least I do.
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I just thought we're spending a lot of time with each other and we're on the same page a lot of the times. Sometimes she would say, and I remember this in particular, she said, oh, your husband is looking for cars today. And I said, oh, he is? And she said, yes, and the salesman is treating him like a child. And we had a telephone in the homeroom classroom. So I called my husband. He answered.
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And I said, hey, were you by chance looking at cars today? And he said, yes, I was at a Mercedes dealership. But, you know, the guy, he was kind of like treating me like garbage because, you know, maybe because I'm young and he wasn't really taking me seriously. So I got out of there. And he said, well, like, how did you know? And I said, well, Jamie told me. And he said, that's really weird.
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Sometimes she would, when we were sitting down doing work, she, I remember one time she said, how come you have sticks in your living room? And I said, well, those are walking sticks. I just, I collect them. She knew and asked about the things that I had in my house, which was... Very unsettling.
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When the flit hit the shan is one day, it was in the morning, we were in the school library again, and she let me know that she wanted to tell me something. So I grabbed her wrist, she put out her finger to type something, and she wrote, oh, I know what your social security number is. And I thought, okay, here we go. She, you know, Jamie was super bright. She had a great sense of humor.
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So I thought maybe she was like setting me up for a joke. So anyway, she then proceeded to type in my social security number. Exactly. And I said, how did you know that? And she typed something like, you weren't in the classroom and your pocketbook was there. And I got up and I opened up your pocketbook and I opened up your wallet and I noticed your social security card.
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And I knew that that was bullshit because the nature of her disability, she could not open up a pocketbook a wallet and then go through my cards. And I don't even think I carried my social security card with me. I don't remember, but I never did. I don't.
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And when she was in her homeroom classroom, all she liked to do was rock in a rocking chair with headphones, with her music playing or her fingers in her ears. She just was not the type to get up, She never took the initiative to get up to do anything. So for her to say that she got up to go to my pocketbook,
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Then I started thinking that there is more to this girl and these series of random things that we had in common, these coincidences, that she was eating the same food as me and we were thinking alike and the New York Yankees and then the social security number. I mean, something was going on with her.
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I think I asked her, I said, how did you know that she said it's a little, it's a trick that I play? It's just a trick. Oh, so I thought, okay, maybe since I'm holding her hand and typing, I thought, am I writing the numbers? You know, I'm starting to doubt myself because I am holding her hand. So I thought, okay, maybe I'm doing it.
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As sick as that sounds, maybe I'm guiding her towards the answer. So I was a little scared because I knew I wasn't, but I started getting a little frightened. After that, I remember crying. calling my sister. My sister lived out of state. And, you know, I kind of always like caught her up on the Jamie situation because of all these little coincidences that were happening.
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And I remember I called her up and I told her about the social security number. Like, what do you make of this? And she's like, I don't know. But I remember my sister said, like, I wonder what else she knows about you. And I thought, God, what else she knows about me? I just, that kind of stuck in my head. The following week, I only had my job for like two, maybe three weeks.
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We were sitting at the computer. And I think that I remember the eighth graders went on a field trip that day, except Jamie stayed behind. So we were in the library a lot of the time. I remember working on The Hobbit, and there were chapter questions that we were answering. So I was at the computer.
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I think she was reading her Hobbit book, and I was doing work on the computer, and I was wearing a charm bracelet. And she was kind of distracted by it. She was touching it and kind of like making little noises about the bracelet. And in my mind, I remember thinking, huh, I wonder if Jamie would like to wear this bracelet today. It seems like she really likes it.
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And then she tapped me, like she wanted to tell me something. So I grabbed her wrist and she began typing, no, I don't wanna wear your bracelet. Your husband gave that to you. Then I knew she could, she was reading my mind. I was just thinking that. And she was responding to what I was just thinking. I remember what my sister said. I wonder what else she knows about you.
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My name is Jennifer, and I am a middle school Montessori teacher. I teach Erdkinder, which is teaching students about animal husbandry and gardening. My story takes place when I lived in Savannah, Georgia. I grew up in Virginia. I have a brother and a sister. and my parents were divorced when I was very young. My mom is from Poland, kind of had a strict upbringing.
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So in my mind, I asked that. I said, Jamie, what else do you know? And as soon as I asked that question in my head, her breathing changed. She was like breathing a little faster. She started typing fast and She started typing, I know your dad died on a ship. And she started talking about how my dad died in specifics. Again, I never, my dad died in, like I said, in 1983.
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I never talked about the way my dad died. Why would I, you know? And she said, he's here with us right now. He looks tall and fearless. He looks old. And again, she's typing this out, and I'm reading it, and I just... I don't even know how to describe the way I felt. She going into detail about...
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the way my dad died, almost immediately, as if he, he was describing his death and the manner in which he died, mentioning water, he died on his ship, there was water everywhere, and those sentences with water, ship, it was cold. I felt like I was in a dream.
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I think that she typed out a paragraph about my dad, and she was typing about my dad, and then it would kind of switch as if my dad was talking. Then I remember the bell rang, and she kind of snapped out of it. She was kind of like, you know, kind of in a trance, I would say. And I remember I didn't say anything to her. I didn't know what to say. We went back to her homeroom,
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I didn't know what to think. I was a little frightened. You know, when something like that happens, you question your reality. And I was just walking throughout the day like a zombie, questioning, thinking, what the hell just happened? That can't be real. And even my coworker, when she saw me right after that, she said, what's wrong with you? You look like you just saw a ghost.
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That's exactly what she said to me. And I was thinking like, lady, I did. Jamie went and sat on her rocking chair. She was rocking back and forth. And I remember I was just sitting in a chair like, what the hell just happened? And this continued every day. Messages from my dad.
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I still can't believe it. It happened every day. She was kind of like in a trance when she was typing, and I've never seen her type so fast before. So again, I'm holding her wrist while she's typing, typing fast, fast, fast. making like noises, her breathing shallow, as if something was controlling her. Now that I'm thinking about it, it's like something was controlling her.
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Focused, like trying to look at something, trying to concentrate. And her typing was never clearer Sometimes when she typed, she would forget to put the space bar in there. But when she was typing messages with my dad, the spelling was correct. The spacing was correct. And one of the words, you know, my dad liked the piano player Rachmaninoff. That was spelled correctly.
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I have about... Eight or nine pages, yeah. I have her, her name is on the corner. It was October 31st. The Hobbit study question, so we're working on that. And then she proceeds to type, your dad really wants to talk. I see him right here. He looks tall and fearless, really old. Your dad is telling me to tell you he's not ready to leave today. He loves you, young daughter. You're welcome.
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I think in my mind I said, oh, my God, thank you, Jamie. Yes, please play Rachmaninoff. Will you play it for me? Jamie is a sweet angel. She found us because she knew we would need each other. And then she wrote, yes, he's very happy. I think in my mind, I wanted to, I asked him, are you happy? Are you okay? Your husband is nice. You two make a good couple.
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My dad died when I think I was like 11 years old. He was a merchant marine. There was a shipwreck in 1983. The ship was caught in the storm and the ship sank. But A happy kid. I had great friends. School was a lot of fun. I went to the local college there and graduated. I waited tables. Just a nice, happy, non-stressful upbringing, really.
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And then I must have said, because Jamie looked tired, you know, as you, this kind of, this really wore her out. And I, I must've thought that in my mind, like Jamie, she looks exhausted and she wrote tired. Yes. She, and then she does, um, good work, you are a good teacher and you're very kind. And then he said, tired, goodbye, reflect on everything I tell you, love you.
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Another one she wrote or he wrote, he wants you to know that he really yearns to hear you play the piano. I see you playing the piano to play Rachmaninoff very well. You used to play like your grandmother. My mom used to play your grandmother.
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It was... You know, like I said, my dad died when I was really young, and my parents were divorced when I was three, so I really didn't know him. But it changed my life because I didn't realize how much I missed him. until this happened. And I really didn't think that he really cared about us. He, he moved on, you know, uh, when he divorced my mom, he had a new wife and a new child.
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And I, I just, I thought here's this man coming from somewhere where I don't know. Um, to tell me that he loves me. And that's made all the difference in my life. And it's not like I had daddy issues or I missed him. I had a nice life. It just, it was so comforting to me. And I didn't realize I needed that comfort. You know, I guess we, all need the love of our parents.
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And when my dad told me that he's proud of me, I didn't realize that it was so nice to hear. It's just a miracle. And like I said, it's just life-changing that after that, and I know my... That my dad is okay and somehow, somehow that life goes on. That I don't stress about the small stuff in life anymore, you know? Life is good.
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That there are mysteries in this world that we have no idea of what they are, but it's pretty cool. It's really cool. And you know, it wasn't just my dad coming through. It was like the floodgate was open.
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I was raised Catholic, but I wasn't sure if I believed it or not. I wasn't necessarily religious. I kind of had an open mind to everything. And I still do. I don't think I know an answer one way or another, but I just always just try to have an open mind about life and religion and all of that. In In 2007, I was in graduate school for a master's degree in education. In March, I got married.
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And in July, my husband and I moved out of state. I wasn't finished with my schooling, but I thought, okay, let me get settled first before I continue with my education. And I thought I would apply for a job at a public school. I always had an interest to be a teacher and especially with special ed children. I think I have more patience and understanding than most with animals and children.
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I have the type of personality where I kind of step back and allow them to be who they are. I'm certainly not a controlling person and I try to give, especially with my students, give them space to figure out who they are. And I've noticed When I was in school, and when I was growing up in particular, that a lot of times, I don't know, adults kind of disappointed me.
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And I felt like I was going through the system like a factory, and nobody really took the time to ask me who I am or what really my interests are or what I'm really struggling with. So I feel like I have that, I have that in me and I try to impart that with the students that I've worked with. I allow them to make mistakes in their life. I try to allow them to figure out who they are
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and that making mistakes is OK and just kind of slowing down their life. So I know I'm not good at many things in my life, but I'm good at that. I'm good at patience and allowing people to be who they are at this moment. And I guess the fact that most people with special needs aren't trying to pretend to be something that they're not.
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And I find that to be so refreshing because I could be myself with them and we could both laugh and be vulnerable and just enjoy life at its purest without any kind of superficial nonsense attached to it. Around September, there was an advertisement for a teaching assistant position in a middle school. So I applied for it, and a few days later, the principal called.
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I got an interview, and he explained to me that there was an eighth-grade student who needed someone to work with her one-on-one, that she was on the autistic spectrum, and needed somebody to help her with her homework, with her classwork, just being there for her throughout the day. So the principal and I walked down to the classroom and I met the special education teacher.
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And I walked around the classroom and then she introduced me to Jamie. When I looked at Jamie, I saw her, she was sitting with the other kids in the class. Eighth grade girl, I think she's like 13 or 14 years old, dark hair, brown eyes, super cute, kind of hunched over. She had her index fingers in her ears, kind of staring at the ground.
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And the lead teacher introduced me to her, and she kind of looked up at me. She got up. super sweet she gave me a hug and i hugged her back and the lead teacher explained more of the responsibilities she mentioned that jamie was on the spectrum and she also had a neurological condition called apraxia which affected her
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I guess her tongue, she wasn't able to form words, so she was essentially nonverbal. She could make sounds, but she couldn't form words. She also had apraxia that affected her fine motor skills and her gross motor skills. So she walked kind of with a clumsy gait, and her fine motor skills were affected, like she couldn't hold a pencil, she couldn't button a button, open up a book.
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She was limited in that capacity. The principal and the lead teacher said they thought I was a good fit for her, that they would call me in a few days. And I was hoping I would get the job because I could, you know, as an eighth grade little girl, she probably needed a friend and I needed a friend. I was new to the area, so I was, you know, looking forward to just helping her in every way I could.
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They offered me the job and I started a few days after that. The lead teacher kind of told me Jamie's typical schedule of the day. You know, in the morning we would be in the special ed classroom to go over morning announcements. And then Jamie and I would walk to her math class. While Jamie was in math, I sat next to her. opened up her backpack, got out her book.
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Well, I took notes and Jamie listened to the lesson. Then if I recall correctly, we went from math directly to English class. And I remember in English class, they were reading The Hobbit. And it was the same sort of deal. I sat next to her, opened up her backpack. Again, because her fine motor skills, she could not open up her backpack by herself. Got out her books and took notes for her.
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Sometimes in English class, I would get the lesson and we would go to the school library. So we could kind of spread out and use the computer. That's how we communicated with one another. Jamie always carried a laptop with her. It was a special kind of laptop that she would type, and then if she hit a button, the computer would speak for her. Sometimes we didn't use that feature.
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She would just type a message. And I have to say, because of her apraxia, The way she typed was, her hand was weak, so I would have to hold her wrist while she extended her index finger, and then she would hit the keys one at a time. So I was always holding her wrist while she typed. Otherwise, she just could not physically type on the computer.
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But we always went to the school library, even after classes, just to either catch up on her homework or do her schoolwork.
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So on day one, I remember going to the computer and we were just chit-chatting. I would always ask her questions just to get to know her. You know, what did you have for dinner last night? Do you have any pets at home? What do you like to do? And things like that. You know, sometimes when I would ask her questions, she would only give me maybe one word answers.
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It was hard to figure out really who she was. I kind of relied on her non-verbal. Like I said, she was very affectionate. In the hallway, she would always hold my hand. And that's how we mainly communicated with one another, through that non-verbal. Because sometimes I felt that she didn't even maybe want to answer a question that I had.
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Sometimes she would just write nonsense on the computer, and I could tell, okay, she's not into chit-chatting this morning. or it was hard sometimes to get her to open up. Sometimes I would tell her like, Jamie, you're the best and you're so smart. And she would hold my hand and look at me like, thank you. That's the best way I can describe it.
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On the computer, she wasn't very forthcoming with her personality. She never wrote like paragraphs about herself or she never opened up to me much about her personal life. Interestingly, like I said, she loved to sit in a rocking chair. She would do it all day, rocking and listening to music. And I remember I gave her, in my car, I had the Moby CD of that CD play. And I said, see if you like this.
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And she used to listen to that CD all the time and just rock in her rocking chair. That was kind of her personality. When she did show it, she was super bright and funny. She would rip on people all the time, people in her class. Sometimes she would say, like, I can't believe that girl is wearing that skirt. She has no business wearing that. You know, she would just rip on everybody. It was funny.
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In her special ed classroom, there were a lot of boys in there, and some of them couldn't control. Some of them would scream or make loud noises. Sometimes I would sit with her. There was a computer in there, too, and I... sometimes she would start fussing. And so I would say like, why are you upset? Are the boys getting on your nerves?
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And she would write, yeah, I wish they would shut the fuck up. You know, so stuff like that.
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You know, just like that, you know, typical teenage, you know, judging people.
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Yeah, I would laugh because I thought it was really funny, especially coming from her. She wouldn't really look at people. She would kind of always look down, so I was surprised that she noticed some of the things that she noticed, particularly in what people were wearing. One time she said, um... can I tell you a dirty joke? Like I said, this is part of her personality.
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Episode 278
Soon as she gets up, we have two dogs and a cat. They all plot to her. She's like the Pied Piper. They all just... It's like April. They clung to her. So I know what you did, though.
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I hope the rain pierces you like bullets. I hope the sun burns you like fire burns skin. I hope the four walls close in on you and choke you. I hope those steel bars are your only friends. I hope when you close your eyes, you see only April over and over and over again. You will die behind those bars alone.
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I hope that the inmates know exactly what you did, because I hear their punishment can be very ugly. I hope they save all their rage and anger just for you. You, James, are a damn thief. You stole my beautiful daughter's life. I pity you, and I hate you, and I can never forgive you.
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Episode 278
Right there in the living room. She plays Sims. She checks our website. She finds stuff for the Sims characters. She goes online for that.
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I'm on the couch with my laptop and she's getting dressed to take the dog for a walk. She changed her clothes about three times to go for this walk with the dog.
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April, I was changing clothes. Okay. That was typical for her. Yeah. And she's getting the backpack ready because she takes the water for the dog. She takes a little bowl and she gets the dog water when she walks it.
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She didn't say exactly the path that she was going to take, but there's two paths that she usually takes. She usually goes to the trail over by the granary over there.
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And then from our house, she goes the other direction towards the church.
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The dogs are overweight, and she's been trying to get the dogs slimmed down a little bit. She took the meekest dog that we have. We have a pit bull, and she would have taken him.
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No, she... Yeah, I mean, she goes up to Austin. He'll call and say, I'm at the park, come meet me. And she goes to the park to meet him.
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When she was gone for two hours, I started to worry. In three hours, that's when I started calling and texting. I thought maybe she met up with the last friend in town. It was about 8.30 to me. Yeah. April had been gone for hours before her mother realized how late it was. The sun had already set and April wasn't answering her phone.
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Worry was setting in, and Jennifer tried repeatedly to call and text April, but never got a response. Sure.
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Austin had been with a friend all day, helping him and his father move and mount a TV. He didn't check his phone until it was nearly 8 o'clock.
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I don't know what the conversation was from that. I think he asked her what happened. But I don't know what transpired after she sent him that text. I would have... The reason Austin didn't give any more information when pushed was that he didn't have any more. He responded to April's message but didn't get a reply. After Jennifer's call looking for April,
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Episode 278
What was his reaction when you were talking to him about it? He thought it was a joke. He thought maybe it was because when he got back to our house, of course I wasn't there without driving around, he thought her and I were all shopping and we were playing a joke on him. Then he'd see me drive by and that's when he called me.
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Episode 282
I don't want to really talk about it. You can ask me something. I can see if I can answer it, but I can't promise.
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Episode 282
I don't know. I really don't fucking know. It's like the night before or two nights before that or whatever, I just stayed up all night long. I kept having, every time I closed my eyes, I'd keep having these like bad dreams or like dead people or whatever and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, what the hell? This is just weird. So I didn't even think about that.
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Does this happen to you frequently that you dream about dead people or? No, never. I watched freaking scary movies. None of that shit scared me.
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Yeah. I mean, hell, my kid, we used to watch the sci-fi show all the time. But anyway. So I was like, I'm all in for that. No big deal. We'll go the next day. No big deal. No problems, nothing.
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Episode 282
I don't remember. I don't even know what day it is right now. Today's Monday. When did I get here? Yesterday, it was Sunday. Okay, so this was Saturday morning. Everything was fine. And then all of a sudden, my sister was there, my sister Lauren. She's the one who calls you guys.
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She was at my house, and all of a sudden, it was like I just kept freaking hearing this voice in my head telling me all this shit. She's like, Yanni, stop talking to me. Stop listening to the voice or whatever the hell you're doing. Stop doing it. How did she know you were listening to the voice? I was telling her what it was fucking saying and shit. It was Saturday morning? No.
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Yeah, they were helping me clean up my house and shit. Okay. I've been drinking way too much in my house with a sack.
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She said I was going to lose my kids. The house was that bad. I mean, it had to be cleaned up, so they came over to help me clean it up. My sister paid them $10 apiece to help me that day, and I was going to pay her back the money because I was broke.
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Like every day. Maybe about like a 12 pack a day. But I was cutting, I was trying, no, between a six to a 12 pack a day. Okay. Usually buy a natural ice beer or whatever. But they came over and they were helping me with that. And I just started freaking out. And then after they left is when freaking I started to actually,
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No. I don't think I've ever had that happen to me ever in my entire life. It was just like somebody's freaking right in my fucking head and it wasn't even like hearing voices. I could hear it and it was like I was reading it at the same time, if that makes any sense. It wasn't weird shit.
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Go to this part of the house, go to that part of the house, go to this part of the house, go to that part of the house. It was like all nice and sweet at first. And then freaking, it started getting freaking weird. And then it just freaking got evil. It freaking, it's even telling me, and then I freaking started listening to it, I guess.
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Cause then I freaking started taking the, it started saying something about freaking people being outside, ready to come in and kill us. All of what Jenny is recounting to police had happened after her sister Lauren left that night. I'm still confused. I'm still just like figuring this out. It was like, what the hell, man? What did I do? I actually freaking did that. Oh, it gets weirder.
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This gets really weirder. Freaking that, all that happens. And then, okay, fine. Get back in the house. I'm like, well, what the hell? You know, this is just- Why didn't you turn back? Kid's voice told me to, whatever voice told me to, and frigging not to go down there because they were already dead. Blah, blah, blah. And then told me to go back to the house.
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And I said, well, check in the morning because then you'll find out they're not dead. But don't go over there now. And then blah, blah, blah. And back and forth and back and forth. And kept saying stuff about how people would come over in there and kill me. And I'd never know it when they finally broke in the house.
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Yeah, and it went back and forth. And then it would, like, get nicer again. And it was like, well, you have to do this and you have to do that, you know. This is for your girls to make them nice to you. You've got to take care of your kids and blah, blah, blah. And then it started getting evil again.
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Yes, I did. Were they sleeping on the floor? So we were going to all sleep together on the bed because it was like, well, whatever, whatever. And then this voice is telling me all this weird shit. Because we haven't done this in years because I usually sleep on the couch. Then we were going to freaking sleep on the bed.
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So freaking we made up the bed on the floor in the girl's room and freaking we were going to lay out. I actually laid out in the middle of them. Lexa was on this side of me and I had my arm around her and I was rubbing her head. And Ashley was on this side and I was the same thing with her. And we were going to sleep like that. We were all like, oh, I love you. Have good dreams. Blah, blah, blah.
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And it was all good like that. And then freaking I got up and the boys started talking to me again and freaking telling me this shit.
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And I actually went in front of him and I hit the butcher knife up to my neck and I didn't do that. And then the voice is telling me to do this or that. And then it's telling me to go kill my kids before the people break into my house to kill them and hurt them even worse than what they were going, what would have happened or whatever. Just kill them so that it doesn't happen.
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And I wasn't going to do that. I was just sitting there going and listening with the knife in my hand going, oh my God, oh my God, oh God. If anybody walks in here, fuck motherfucker.
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Yeah, then we were going to go leave and freaking go somewhere. They're like, no, freaking, we can't leave or whatever, blah, blah, blah.
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I was across the street to the pay phone to call my dad for some reason. Okay. To try to have him come pick us up because I was like freaking so scared. And then we, I don't even know if we even went outside. I don't remember before we turned back in and freaking didn't. And then it was like nothing was happening. And then all of a sudden I just freaking grabbed a knife and did it.
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I had to chase Ashley. By the way, Ashley, I thought, I could have sweared, I thought, I was like telling Alexa, I love you, you know, you'll never be hurt, blah, blah, blah, I won't let that happen to you. And then she's like, get Ashley. And I was like, okay. And then I walked out of the freaking bedroom and I can't even believe Alexa said that. I don't believe Alexa said that.
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Yeah, I don't believe that. I must have heard that in my fucking head. Did Ashley run from the room? Yeah, she was hiding under the kitchen table.
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I don't think Ashley died until the bedroom. Did you carry her back to the bedroom? Yes. I thought she was dead in the kitchen, but I don't think she was. I don't think she died until she got back to the bedroom.
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No, I don't know. I don't think so. She probably was. I would have been fucked. You laid her next to Alexa?
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They were doing this all day long. I wouldn't freaking leave my house after I did it. I actually thought I saved them. And then I was trying to look around the house and freaking... Everything the voices told me the night before. And the voices were actually even telling me, I think, that freaking they were going to drive me crazy. So I killed my kids by the morning time. And I was like, no.
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Not long. I was walking around the house and I kept thinking about freaking weird shit about I was going to go burn in hell now and Demons were gonna come pick me up from the front of my house in a freaking red car with fingers and toenails as freaking seat covers and shit. I don't know. It was fucking freaky. And all of a sudden I was like, the dogs are still alive.
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Freaking, I'm gonna be tortured to death when they drop me down into hell. I gotta kill the animals.
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I stuck the knife in it and just went down and knew straight they were dead.
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They were on the green blanket. But Angel, the big mom, actually got away and ran into the kitchen. I had to chase her down and bring her back. And I told them it was for their own good.
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I don't know. She was full Pomeranian. And I don't know what the dad was. She just got pregnant.
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She got stabbed in the bedroom first. And Lexa pushed her out of the way. And then I did it to Lexa. So Ashley was already bleeding.
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Nothing long-term abuse of anything. Well, what did you use? I've smoked pot a few times. I've done acid a few times. You did acid? How long ago did you do acid? When I was a teenager. Okay.
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I had a couple of shrinks when I was a kid. That's because I was getting molested and stuff. My mom always stopped taking me to shows. Okay.
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Well, like I said, all morning after it happened, I stayed in the house. I couldn't leave. I was sitting there waiting for somebody to come pick me up to take me straight to hell. And it was like, no big deal. It was like, it was normal.
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Did you leave at any point? No. I'd go to my car to get to your bus. I'd go right back in and out. That was it.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Yes. Why did you do that? I was afraid to shut it. Why? I don't know. It was like, freaking if I shut it, then the freaking demons would come faster or some crap.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
The girls. Oh, and I went back in the bathroom and I had to change my clothes and freaking... get all cleaned up for some fucked up reason. I don't know why.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Like, the water, like, out of the toilet, you know, the- The tank? Yeah, it was, fuck, I don't know.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
I never should have had kids. So I looked at my mom and said, well, she's psycho. Make sure I don't do it to nobody else. Don't have kids.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 215: Learning the Bible? Lefty Family? Solving US/Canada Relations?
Hi, Charlie. I am Jewish and also a believer in Jesus, and I'm going home to New York to visit my family. All of my family members are Jewish and very left on the political spectrum, and I am very far right, and I'm the only believer. And I'm unsure how to navigate the waters. It's been a year since I've been home, and obviously a lot has changed. So I feel like I'm going into hostile territory.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 215: Learning the Bible? Lefty Family? Solving US/Canada Relations?
And I wish you make a good impression for my faith.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 215: Learning the Bible? Lefty Family? Solving US/Canada Relations?
Great questions. They are not serious about their faith. It's more of the traditional Jewish background, cultural. New Yorkers grew up in New York City. And they do care about Israel, but it's nothing I ever knew of growing up. I didn't know what Israel was, so obviously it wasn't that big on the importance list. And my brother will also be there soon. And he is not concerned.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 215: Learning the Bible? Lefty Family? Solving US/Canada Relations?
I don't think he's just more political than they've been watching mainstream media for 70 years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Ask Charlie Anything 215: Learning the Bible? Lefty Family? Solving US/Canada Relations?
Yes, yes, I can. Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Fran Brown gets to shower this week, Lucy. Congratulations.
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Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
We are happy for everyone. We should probably talk about the Oregon game though, right?
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Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
The meme of Mike Norvell, like the Florida State bye week, like Florida State zero bye week 50. And then Mike Norvell, Taylor put that in and post. Very funny meme. I laughed. Very good. Okay.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Das ist wahr. Ist es der beste Athens? Ist es besser als die anderen Athens, denkst du?
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Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
He can say whatever he wants. Not a lot. I've been drinking the Dan Lanning Kool-Aid for like two years now. So far this season hasn't let me down. But yeah, you're right. I mean, Oregon offensively wasn't very good, but Wisconsin was worse, which is why Wisconsin couldn't pull off the upset here. But Oregon just like they couldn't score touchdowns in the red zone, Lucy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
They just couldn't finish the job. One stat, we should also mention, Wisconsin fired their offensive coordinator, Phil Lago, right after this game. So that was a failed experiment. But one stat that stood out to me, Luke Fickle is 2 for 25 in his last 17 games against top 25 teams. Das ist nicht gut.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Ja, aber sie haben auch, als die Dividenden in den Big Ten existierten, die letzten paar Jahre für Wisconsin, sie sollten wahrscheinlich besser gewesen sein, oder?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Oh, vielleicht sollten wir eine Tour von allen Athensen machen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Ja, das ist es. Before we move on, Lucy, anything else you want to talk about from this past weekend? We've got some big games coming up. Big games coming up in Week 13.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Ja, ich bin mit dir, aber Athens ist eine tolle College-Stadt. Ich war überrascht, wie groß es war, als ich da für ein Spiel ging. Ich ging zu der Georgia-Notre-Dame-Spiele vor ein paar Jahren, vor Covid. Schockierend verbreitet in einem großen Ort.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Yeah, and their quarterback, Sam Levitz, playing really well, too. Very, like... You know what's underrated in college football? Having a very competent college football quarterback, Lucy. And if you got one of those, you can do great things. Shout out to Kenny Dillingham for that. Notre Dame plays Army this weekend at Yankee Stadium. I went to the last Yankee Stadium Notre Dame game.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Not gonna lie, one of the funnest Notre Dame games I've ever been to. Love that. I'm not like a huge neutral site person, but something about it. It was electric. I had a great time. It was so much fun. I got in trouble for having too much fun. while being a Sports Illustrated employee. That's a story for another day, Lucy. But this is going to be a tough game for Notre Dame. And
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Army has not faced a defense this good this season. They have not faced an offense this good this season. But Army plays the option. They are going to try to run the ball for 18 plays, 14 minutes, 80-yard drives, and just choke Notre Dame out of it. That's the game plan. If they can execute that, I think the upset is possible. But Notre Dame is a two-touchdown favorite.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
They've already taken care of business against a different service academy earlier this season. So... We'll see what happens in Yankee Stadium. But I think the even more exciting game for people that aren't a fan of the Triple Option is Indiana and Ohio State.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Aber ich bin froh, dass du gewonnen hast. Und jetzt sind wir in den Händen von einem der höchst toxischen College-Football-Playoff-Diskurse, die wir schon lange hatten, Lucy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Ja, ich bin auch gespannt. Ich denke, zwei Wochen nach dem Michigan-Spiel habe ich mir gedacht, Ohio State wird dieses Team töten. Aber je mehr ich darüber nachgedacht habe und je mehr ich auf es geslebt habe, denke ich, es könnte nahe sein. Ich habe auch College Football Insiders geschaut, der tolle Previews von Spielen macht.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Und natürlich musst du jeden Stat mit einem Stahlstück nehmen, je nachdem, welcher getestete Metrik etwas anderes bedeutet. Aber... It sort of convinced me that this one might be a lot closer than I was thinking it would be. So I'm with you. I'm not sure. I think I still favorite Ohio State. I think they have, like, their best players are better than Indiana's best players.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
And I think sometimes in college football it just comes down to that. Jeremiah Smith is electric. But Ohio State, you know, they've struggled at times with teams worse than Indiana this season. So I am super excited to watch this one. There are a ton of great college football games this weekend. If you are a fan of the sport, man, we're coming down the stretch here. Things are going to get crazy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
I can't wait for Vanderbilt at LSU, Lucy. That could be a hilarious game. Mississippi and Florida, who knows? Stanford and Cal, one of the greatest rivalries of people that are stereotypically considered nerds of all time. But we love them. The band is on the field, Lucy. It is a great, great college football rivalry. And we love our Cal, Calgary fans. They've had a rough season.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
So I think we're both rooting for them this weekend.
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Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Go Bears. Not the Chicago ones, though. Not those. Ew, no.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Genau. We're not going to do a college football ranking reaction today. We're just going to talk about some of the best moments from this past weekend. But I do think we should start with Kirby Smart's comments after Georgia beat Tennessee. Which, Lucy, he's been on the offensive all season long because he doesn't think Georgia is getting enough respect.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
So do you think this was the game that Georgia needed to have? Like the way that they won, the style they won in. Carson Beck had a much better game this weekend. Like is this what the doctor ordered for the Georgia Bulldogs?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Das ist es. Ich dachte, ja, der wichtigste Stat ist, dass Tennessee einen Sack nicht registriert hat. Georges O-Line hat wirklich gut gespielt. Beck sah viel besser aus, wie du gesagt hast. Er hatte zwei Touchdowns und einen rutschenden Touchdown. Der Georgia Offense, EPA per Play, 89. Percentile, EPA per Dropback, 92. Percentile. Das ist ziemlich gut.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Also eine sehr beeindruckende offensivische Produktion gegen eine Stout Tennessee Defense. Und jetzt, wie du gesagt hast, sind sie wieder da. Tennessees Offense sah nicht so gut aus, Lucy, besonders in der zweiten Halbzeit. Es war hart. Ich glaube, mein Lieblingsmeme im College Football dieses Jahr, aber jedes Jahr ist der Christian Bale. Jetzt ist das sehr gut.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Lass uns die unscripted drives Meme sehen. Ich weiß nicht, ob du es weißt. Wir stellen es auf die Kamera. Aber ja. Wie du gesagt hast, haben sie einen hohen Start gemacht und dann hat Georgia wirklich gut gespielt und den Rest des Spiels dominiert. Das war eine tolle, tolle Spielzeit. Ich bin froh, dass du in Athens ein lustiges Heimspiel gesehen hast.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Und jetzt spielt Georgia umass, denn das ist der Zeitpunkt, an dem sich alle SCC-Schulen, für den meisten Teil, entweder ihre niedrigeren G5-Vereinigungen oder sie spielen am Ende des Saisons ein FCS-Team.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
What are you doing? It's absurd. Okay, moving on to I think one of the most underrated games of this past weekend. Clemson and Pitt played one of the most insane college football games, Lucy, that I think I've watched in a while because of how many errors there were, how many weird officiating moments there were.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
The fact that Cade Klubnick sort of like single-handedly won this game for Clemson by... Eine 50-Jahr-Touchdown-Runde am Ende, als sie etwas brauchten. Lucy, es war absolut verrückt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Sie hatten 17, glaube ich, das ganze Spiel, oder? Es war acht. Oh nein, das ist viel schlimmer.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
All das ist deine Schuld. Ja, nein, wir müssen, wir müssen über diese Rettungszone für Pitt sprechen. Also zuerst gab es einen falschen Start, aber die Reifen nannten es nicht. Und alle auf beiden Seiten des Scrimmages waren super verwirrt. Also war dann Narduzzi so, okay, wir müssen einen Timeout nennen, weil, wie gesagt, jeder ist gerade überrascht. Aber die
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Pitt hat den Ball immer noch geschnitten und hat einen Touchdown gewonnen. Dann kam der Time-Out. Der Touchdown hat natürlich nicht geklappt. Und dann kam der Time-Out, der illegalen Formation. Und dann, nach dem illegalen Formation, der Verlust des Spiels. Und dann waren sie auf dem dritten Endspiel von den 16 und mussten einen Field Goal schießen, weil sie den dritten Down konvertieren konnten.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Also ja, das war absolut hysterisch zu sehen. Aber ja, das Offizieren in diesem Spiel mit den verschiedenen Ruffings der Passer, die genannt wurden und nicht genannt wurden, war wie... Batshit. Narduzzi was going nuts. We'll play the video of Narduzzi freaking out on the sideline.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
But it was a really funny game that does maybe have some... I mean, definitely has playoff implications for Clemson, although a lot of their fate will be left in other people's hands, I think, depending on how SMU and Miami finish the season. But really tough stretch of losses here for Pitt, especially the improper snap in the Virginia game last week, then going into this shitshow. Man...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
If Pitt finishes the season seven and five, no one's going to be happy, Lucy. I'll be a little happy. It's kind of funny. And I'll laugh a little bit, too. It's a little bit funny. I'm sorry. It's a little bit funny. Should we talk about BYU finally losing a game this weekend?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
It was a tough scene. It was like, oh, this could be, oh no, this is not what you want to see from your team's mascot before one of the biggest games of the season. But yeah, Kansas is a weird team this year. Like you said, Lucy, they've had a bit of a resurgence these past few weeks, but all their games have been close this year. They just haven't been able to finish a lot of them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
And I think Jalen Daniels is playing a little bit better. He's sort of gotten it going in the run game the last few weeks a A little bit more. And so now, yeah, they've got some big games coming up where they could play spoiler again. So the Big 12 right now, as we've been saying all season, there's so much parody. Every team is so close to one another.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
And so down goes BYU, another unbeaten done out of the college football ranks. We hardly knew ye. Tough. It happens. I don't know what to say, sorry. Another game that was funny, depending on who you are, is a game that I think we also predicted. We said if DJ Lagoway was going to play for Florida, oopsie, this might not be so good for LSU.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
And as it turns out, Lucy, did LSU look like they even wanted to be there? They were just so sad the whole time.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Yeah, and Florida's offense was super efficient. I mean, they had a 91st percentile in yards per play and the explosive play rate in the 85th percentile. Plus, every time they went to the red zone, they scored, Lucy. And, like, LSU couldn't stop them. So, yeah, they were, the Florida offense was not on the field for very long, but when they were, they made it count.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
And so, now LSU is sort of, their fans are freaking out about these yellow jerseys they're gonna wear at home against Vanderbilt this week. I don't know if you saw that, but... Florida is having a weird year. I think one thing in college football that is hard to sort of measure is teams' trajectories.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
We sort of picture teams as either like they're getting better throughout the year or they're getting worse throughout the year. But the reality is most teams sort of have peaks and valleys throughout the season. And Florida, I think, is just one of those teams.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
last weekend against texas they looked so terrible and bad and texas just kicked the shit out of them and then they go in and play this game against lsu and you're like this team has some life like they're they're out there fighting and so it's sort of one of those things where you know any saturday there can be a upset like this but this is a really mentally tough place for lsu because now it's their third loss of the season they still have a couple games left a couple tough games left lucy and brian kelly's
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Ten game a season win streak is no more. It's probably gone. It's goodbye.
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Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Wanna paint the scene for us?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
So dumb. So like I thought this game was for sure going to overtime. Louisville has screwed up the ending of several games this season that they've been in. Like all the games that they've lost for the most part, they maybe had a shot, maybe, and then just have completely botched the finish. So it was very, like I'm not laughing because like, haha, Louisville, you suck.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
I'm laughing because the visual of a Stanford kicker Das war dein klassischer ACC-Cardinal-versus-Cardinals-Matchup, Lucy. Wir werden dieses Rivalry in College Football für eine lange Zeit haben. Danke, Konferenz-Realignment.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Dumm. Oh mein Gott, es ist so brutal. Sprechen wir von dummen Penalitäten. Es gab einen sehr lustigen Moment im Texas A&M New Mexico State Spiel, wo New Mexico State gespielt hat und der Spieler, der gespielt hat, hat den Fußball in die Stände gepumpt und für ihn gebetet. Ich wollte es nur erwähnen, weil es so hilarisch ist.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Gen CFB: No One Believes in the Dawgs
Es gab eine ähnliche Sache in der Notre Dame-Saison dieses letzte Wochenende, wo Riley Leonard ein Interzept durchgeführt hat. Ich glaube, Notre Dame war 35 zu 0 hoch. And the Virginia guy that caught it ran up and stood on the bench and was chirping the Notre Dame fans in the sideline with the football. We're like, okay, yeah, you got us. But that was a funny reaction to have.
The Deck
Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I was working in healthcare and we were getting ready for shift change and I was preparing my report and we had a big long table in the department and there was a TV right there and I was on a computer and I hear Jenny, Christy's mom. If anyone has any information about the disappearance of my daughter, please come forward.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
Yeah, she would come out every year on the anniversary and they would air something. And it was like lightning went through my body. It was like lightning went through my body and I knew I had to say something. I didn't know if anything that I told them would be helpful. I was afraid that little girl in me was so alive again.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
Right after I heard that, I had a medical crisis and I thought I was going to die and I knew I couldn't take it to the grave. And that was when I knew what I had to do. Everything in my life changed at that point. I had to make some healthy changes for myself, my kids at the time. And then I eventually went to Jenny's house and knocked on her door and she listened.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I remember being in the park and I remember wanting to play with someone. But, you know, I was just swinging on the swing again, the same spot, and Christy came up to the fence. And I just, I remember this part so vividly because she was always full of energy. And the way I remember it is she came up to the fence and she's bouncing up and down, you know, like, we want to play, you want to play?
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
And I don't know what she said, but she was bouncing up and down. And I told her I was waiting for the man to finish in the bathroom because he came up, he came up and he said, did you leave change in the bathroom? And I said, yes. And he said, you can get it when I get out. And I said, okay.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
And I just remember waiting and waiting and waiting. And Christy knew I was waiting for him to get out of the bathroom. So she took off. I'm assuming as I think back, she probably went to the store because she knew that's where I was going next. And I went up to eventually I went up to the stalls and I peek in and I just see Christy. Sorry, go slow.
The Deck
Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I peeked in the door and I just see this change scattered all across the floor. It was just, it wasn't pennies. It was quarters and dimes. And I mean, it was like, it was like a treasure chest, you know? And I just remember seeing that and I didn't see him anywhere in there. And I went in and I got on my, I was on my knees and I'm scooting across the floor and I was just gathering the change.
The Deck
Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I could distinctly remember that there was this
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
drain I just remember this drain in the middle of the floor I was like right smack in the middle of the bathroom collecting the change and I hear this sound behind me and I turned and that's when I saw him standing there he wasn't wearing anything and like within like a a nanosecond within like a flash he he grabbed me tossed me to the side I think I must have hit my head at first I thought he maybe he hit me in the head with something or or whatever I don't know but I'm
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I smacked my head on the bathroom floor, and he got on top of me, and he was trying to get my underwear off. And the next thing I remember is I hear Christy coming in. What are you doing to my friend? What are you doing to my friend? I hear a loud thud, and I don't remember anything after that. And the next thing I do remember is clank, clank, clank on the door. Someone saying, wrap it up.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
Park's closing. I... Come to wake up, whatever. And I recollect the change. I get up my hand. I walk out of the bathroom, out of the men's room. And right outside of the men's room, there is a police officer and another man talking by. They had these like half sheds. And the police officer's back was towards me and the park, I want to say it was a park attendant, I don't know.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
And I just remember thinking, I'm going to get in trouble, I'm going to get in trouble. And I walked up to him with the change in my hand and I said, this man left this in the bathroom. He patted me on the back and he said, I guess it's your lucky day, kid. And that was, that was, I was scared. I was scared to leave. I went over to the slide.
The Deck
Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
I went up on the slide and I put the, I just remember putting the coins down on the top of the slide. And it was one of the slides that had like a cover over, over top. And I was putting the, the, the chain, sorry. I was putting the change in, like, order. You know, quarters, dimes, nickels, and that was it. That was it. And I never said anything. I never said anything. I never said anything.
The Deck
Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
If you ask me if this is Charles, what I can tell you is it was that man. And if that man is named Charles or Chuck, then yes, that was the man that day in the bathroom with Christy. That was him.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
We think they had no problem with a few children together because maybe one was the luring that day and the other one was... Look out. Because when Christy came into the bathroom, he was on top of me still. So someone silenced her.
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Marjorie "Christy" Luna (4 of Spades, Florida)
Right now we're at the community center because we went to go over to the pavilions and the park and the bathroom and it's all blocked off because they're getting ready to tear it all down and build, it's a future site of the Green Acres Youth Center.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
From what he said to me, what I can remember is that the guy started talking to him and telling him that she was rough. She was a rough cookie. And also that whoever the guys were that was trying to, I guess, put her on to selling with them or selling for them, they pulled a gun out on her. And before they could pull, she had already pulled. So they said, oh, so you're a roughneck.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
You know, you don't play. So it's like, we want you on our team. So I guess that's when she got initiated in or whatever the case may be. They trusted her, probably gave her drugs to sell, not realizing that. She was on drugs. And like any other drug deal gone bad, she probably used it. When they were looking for their money, she had already used it.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
was raised by my father's mother. And she have instilled all of those old values. She can cook her behind off. Listen, she takes care of her kids. They are so loving and caring. And oh, my goodness. So out of all of her siblings, she's the mother.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
For you to pick her, that lets me know she wants her children to know exactly who killed her. And hopefully the police can find who this person is because the kids are broken. Even though they're adults, even though they have children of their own and husbands of their own, it still plays in the back of their minds. And it never leaves because it's unresolved.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
She had lost a whole lot of weight. Like, she just was running, you know, just in the streets, just running. It was terrible. I can say I'm a tough cookie. And I've been in the nursing field also, so I guess I was able to handle that.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
I noticed that it was not a home, not the way that my mom had a home. My mom had a home. You understand what I mean? Like, when we walked into her home, there was no furniture. The walls were dark. There was one mattress on the floor in the living room. So when she took us into the kitchen, there was just a small little table there. with a bottle of Thunderbird, ashes, and an ashtray.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
She opened up the refrigerator like a young kid would, you know? And when she opened up the refrigerator, me and my siblings were standing there. There was nothing in the refrigerator. No supervision because her mom was on drugs. And when I did see her mom, her mom was getting high with her brothers. So that would be Deborah's uncles. And they would be sitting outside playing music, getting high.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
I've always asked him from time to time, you know, why did you turn to drugs when she introduced it to you? And he said he loved her. And he felt that if this is what she's doing, then I need to do the same thing that she's doing. That was his mindset.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
Just kind of picture if a man knows that you're a cheating woman, you're a woman that runs the streets, you're with all kinds of men, and you are on drugs. But he loves you, and he catches you out there with another man. So now he's just to the point where he's getting crazier and crazier. He fights you because he did fight her.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
He was abusing her physically, and for him to see whatever he's seen, I guess he just, he could have shot her.
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Deborah Perry (King of Spades, South Carolina)
He told me there were guys talking. Because, you know, in jail, they find out everything that's going on in the streets. There were some guys talking about the situation and what happened to her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Awesome. Today is a pretty good day. Thanks.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah. Yeah, so my main question is, how do I handle the toxicity of blended family dynamics?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
And still be a good stepmom and a good wife and a good mom to my own kids.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah, so my husband and I, this is both of our second marriages, and we've been married together for eight years, together for about 10 years total.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Um, and it's, um, my stepkids is, um, their mother is usually the situation that causes the most tension and they've been divorced. I think like going on 13 years. And so I'm just like, I find myself wondering if it will ever go away.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah. So it just seems like, you know, sometimes there will be cordial moments and just low key. And then it's like a bomb goes off and it gets very thorny. What's a bomb? Yeah. So like a lot of the messages that we hear through the kids is like, don't tell dad this. Or like if something comes up and they feel like they've slipped up and told us something that we aren't supposed to know. Yeah.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Um, so it just seems very sneaky. Yeah.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
I know, but it's like, and that's another thing is that it, I never, I mean, I didn't know what I was getting into being in a step family and being a step mom, but having somebody that like, I really hardly know, but they impact our life on a daily basis, like so dramatically.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah, so they're teenagers, a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah. And I guess that... I mean, that is what my husband and I... Like, again, it's for 10, 15, 20 years down the road. That's right. But it is like the daily things when things come up and the kid is stuck in the middle.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
And like... she's impeding on our time. And if we say no, then the kid suffers, you know? Give me an example. I don't understand. Well, like for an example, this one, a couple of weekends ago, it was our weekend with them. We have them 50% of the time. So it's coming and going throughout the week. Um, and then set weekends. It was our weekend. And then, uh,
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
their mom had plans to go to a movie, and so she texts the 16-year-old and is like, oh, see if you can sneak away and come to the movie with us. And we're like, we don't, like, if we say no, then she gets left out of going to a movie.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
No. Yeah, and I don't know that she would. I think she's also kind of the type of kid who would just tell us, you know? Right. You know, but... I just don't like that they're in the middle.
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My Wife Is Unhappy No Matter What I Do
Yeah. And it does seem, you know, on our end, from our perspective, it does seem like things are like, like manipulated or planned out. Like she, that house is very clearly the more lenient house, the more fun house, the more yes. And so it does just get so hard.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Hello, John. Thank you for having me on your show. I'm super excited. You said that awesome.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Thank you for having me on your show. It means a lot.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
So I guess just briefly, my question is, how do I help my brother that is staying with us be financially responsible? And I can kind of dive into that a little bit more if you would like.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Okay. So a long story short, my brother moved in with us this last August and he was kind of like at a rock bottom place. And my husband and I told him that he could come stay with us. And, you know, he was kind of struggling financially. And I believe that he struggled as an alcoholic and struggled with maybe like a a gambling addiction.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And, you know, we just kind of laid it out for him, you know, that we want him to get, we could come stay with us here.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Yes. Can you hear me better?
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Okay. And so he's staying with us. He has a job and I guess our only obligation for him was that he had to stick to a budget. And we're not asking him to pay any bills or anything. We just wanted him to stick to a budget to be able to pay his debt off. But I think for us, it's kind of like I feel like having to mother him to stay on that budget. And I don't want to damage our relationship.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And I don't want my husband and I's relationship to become impaired because, you know, I'm I'm kind of like in a hard situation. You know, my husband supports him being there, obviously, but it is a hard balance between the two.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And that's what we were doing. And so like last month it was kind of derailed and it just feels like... What does that mean?
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Yeah, he spent a lot of money that he didn't account. So we want to sit down and like say you have to account for every dollar.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Okay. So, and I guess that's where I'm like, is that too, is that like a little bit too much? Like we're, we're wanting him to sit down and go over his finances and account for every dollar because this is kind of my demeanor behind it too. Like we're not asking you to pay any bills. You know, my husband and I both work. We have five kids. Our plate is like to the max.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And so when you're, you know, stopping at the convenience store every day or you're eating out every day or you're buying stuff or you're buying bait, like that to me is like not okay. And so I'm having a hard time like not trying to be his parent, but also holding him accountable.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
So how do I get myself out of this situation?
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I think you're totally right.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I have a passive personality. So how do I, it's really hard for me to sit down and say, hey, listen, brother. And this is what my husband's told me. He's like, hey, honey, like I know you want to help him, but you have to let him go and figure it out. That's right. How do I do that? Because this is kind of like another thing I'm struggling with. My brother came to stay with us.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And two days later, my husband lost his twin brother to suicide. And so he came to stay with us, and we're walking through that. And it's like I just worry about him hitting rock bottom, which I know I can't be his savior, and you're right. That just totally hits the nail on the head.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And I just naturally have that personality.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Yes, we had a tough childhood. Okay. And, yeah.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Well, and I feel like he's only doing good because we have our thumb on him. And I'm just like, I'm so just overwhelmed every day between being a wife and a mother and so many things. And I'm just like, I want him to do good and right, but I don't have the energy to exert on him. make like, okay, did you do your budget today? Okay. Like you can't be spending money.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Like, you know, so like, how do I move forward? What's the next best thing? As I hear you say, like, what do I do to not sever the relationship, but also let him know that, okay, brother, like, I love you, but how do I sit down and like have this conversation?
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
My grandmother raised me. So my mom and dad were never in the picture.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Yes. It took me a while to realize that, but yes.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
And I think, you know, my husband has said, you know, the same thing. And so I think it just resonates. And I know like, that's probably the best thing. It's just, you know, being that, I feel like having that hard conversation of how I'm going to say that, not so much how he's maybe going to receive it, but I just feel wrong for doing that. But then again, I'm like,
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
You know, my husband, he's such a hard worker and does what it takes to provide every day. And I wanted my brother to get on his feet so that he could provide for his son. And it's just like, you know, I feel like I'm kind of punishing my husband, too, because he sacrifices so much for our family. And, you know, I just need him.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I'm trying to make my brother have the same drive as my husband, and it's not that. It's not so.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Mm-hmm. And it's funny you say that because like so many of my siblings have lived with me for various, you know, just getting on their feet and I'm the person they call and it's like I want it more than they do. And then I get myself in a hard situation because I pour so much into it. And then at the end of the day, you know, I'm the one who gets crapped on for a better word.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I will. Okay.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I think I'm going to ask him that question. I don't know the answer.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Thank you. I really appreciate the input. And I guess from here, it's just having that hard conversation. And my husband and I, you know, we kind of talked about it and we were like, well, maybe we'll just give it till after the holidays. And then, you know, or maybe tell him now that way he can, you know, prepare and save up as much as he can and, you know, be looking.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
He's 14 this Friday.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
I know. My husband and I just said that last night.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
My husband mentioned that too. Yes.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
He really is. He really is. He honestly is. And it's not that I don't respect like what he says.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
Yeah. And then I guess that was where I struggled, too, is like, you know, talking about holding them accountable, but not really holding them accountable. But yes, I think I feel peace with telling them, you know, giving them that time frame. And it's just sitting down and having that hard conversation. And I love them being around. You know, I love them being there.
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Should I Quit Trying to Involve My Ex in Our Daughter’s Life?
But I just I think it's time and necessary.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
So my husband and I moved back to my hometown about a year and a half ago with our four kids. We purchased a pizzeria. that was failing. We basically purchased assets because no processes, employees, we had to change everything. And my question is, do we continue or do we close? We are currently, we have cut all costs, you know, cost of goods are down, all of that.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
Great question. It was failing because it was, the previous owner was using expired products. Um, the culture of the employees was toxic. Uh, so we were able to turn all that. We turned the culture and we're slowly going upward, but we made mistakes in the beginning that are basically have us by the throat. Um, my husband and I are not taking a wage. So we're basically on off tips.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
We almost lost our house last year. Um, we can't pay our taxes, but, um, I don't know what to do because we don't feel like this is forever. I'm ready to move on, to be honest, but I don't know what the wise decision would be. And the one person that I wanted wisdom from was you in this arena. It's been rough.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
We haven't been... To be honest, we've been just slowly going backwards.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
No, no, no. We're not in the profit arena. I think I guess my statement about moving forward is, you know, we're losing less and less. So I guess we are not. We are month to month, yeah.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
We're not, no. And we took advice from a business owner we trusted. We've never been in business. We were debt-free when we moved here. And we didn't know. You know, what you don't know, you don't know.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
All sorts. We have a lot. Personal credit cards, we have $37,000. We were slapped with an $8,000 penalty from L&I from an employee that we inherited. We didn't know. We had to fire our accountant. So, you know, that gets all put on me. And we owe like $15,000 to the DOR. And then we purchased the business by an owner contract. So we owe him about $115,000.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
So you didn't have any cash when you started? We had a little bit from the sale of our house where we came from, and we put everything here.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
We were pastors. We did fine. We took your class. We taught it. It was great. And we've actually encountered three personal traumas within like a six-month period after everything started to fall apart. So our mind space is not in a good spot.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
I think so, yeah. We for sure have a contract, and We thought about that. We actually reached out to a real estate agent.
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When Are You Going To Clean Up Your Financial Mess?
Correct. Yeah, we're in a big grocery store on a popular highway to the beach.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well... Not really. Like, I feel like we're still trying to keep having conversations. They didn't. Yeah, they didn't like the moving idea because it was going to be a lot of work and they feel like they don't want to deal with that. So tell me this. We're just at a standstill.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
I'd say more than $50,000 with the like land and stuff. Sorry. Okay. What would you say then? I would say like when two years ago, the property would have been worth $200,000.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well, we purchased it for 80 and we have it all paid off.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Hi there. We have ourselves in a bit of a pickle, and I'd like to hear if you guys have some advice. Yes, ma'am. So what has happened is that my in-laws have built a granny flat, like a suite, attached to our house. And they've been living here for about two years now. And we find that my husband and I are not... It's just not what we imagined it would be.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
We're not really enjoying the dynamic and just the arrangement anymore. And we don't know how to separate financially. And just it's been a relational toll, taking a toll on our relationship with my in-laws. And yeah, we're really not sure what to do.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Like maybe $100,000. Oh, gosh. So it didn't even break even yet? No, like... Yeah, it didn't. And now it's kind of created this unique house that it doesn't really raise the property value because it's not... It's not normal.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
The title and everything is in our name. Our taxes have increased, but that's all that. Everything is in our name, my husband and I's name.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well, things financially get a little bit twisted. My husband and I, we don't make a lot of money, and so we're building up. It's an acreage property, and so it takes a long time for us to build it up and restore it and make it look nice. But they want it to like look nice. So they want to invest more and more money into the property to like make it look good and like buy a tractor and stuff.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
And we just don't feel comfortable allowing them to keep pouring money into it. And we don't have the money to like split things half and half.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
They haven't because we just keep putting the brakes on with like landscaping and stuff.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Yes. And we've had like another issue was just the boundaries. Like they're literally attached to our house. So like our boundaries, like people would come into the house multiple times a day. And it just felt like there wasn't really a boundary of like our life and their life.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Um, like we have asked, we have told them that we're not happy with that dynamic and we've asked them to like, cause they do have a different, they don't live here a hundred percent of the time. They have an apartment in like a different city by some other family members. So then we've like asked them to not come as much.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
They were very hurt and they were very confused. They felt like they didn't understand why. Because it was like our idea in the first place to invite them closer. So then they feel like they're so confused.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well, there had been some instances like over the summer, like we had spent like a couple of months in their house. And unfortunately, like I, it always, yeah, it would kind of got to the point where we're like, okay, it's time to go home.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
I'd say it was more my idea because I lived, my grandparents lived beside us and as a kid, I loved it. Sure.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well, we did talk about physically moving the building and they could like put it on a different lot.
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Stop Overthinking and Start Taking Action
Well, they kind of, but they feel like it's going to cost way more money, and then they're going to have to build a foundation and buy a lot, and it's just going to be more and more money.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Hi. I'm calling because the question's mostly related to my house, as I look like I'm going to need to be selling it because I got myself into a bit of a jam. For context, I got divorced this year after last year I discovered my
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
husband was, um, engaging with women online for most of our 15 year marriage and spending thousands and thousands every month and, um, had later gotten into like, um, GameStop kind of things like with the stock market and gambling. And it was a huge shock to everyone, especially me. Um, so we did end up getting divorced in October and over the past year, um, I'm disabled anyways.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
I was on disability SSDI for a long time. I started working during COVID and was able to get back to a really good job that I loved. But over the past year, I've had to exhaust my leave time and ended up leaving completely because I had gotten sick so frequently. So right now I'm without a job and have three little kids. And I do have this house, which I got the divorce.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
But I'm kind of looking for next steps and what I should do because I didn't accumulate a lot because of my situation and it's just, yeah, a tricky spot to be in.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So shortly after I got married, I got a really bad virus and I never really recovered from it. Okay. I didn't walk for a couple of years, um, kind of slowly went back. It's energy limiting. So it was kind of like long COVID before long COVID, uh, any CFS. Okay.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Oh, absolutely. It was like a complete betrayal. And like, how could I not know?
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Oh, absolutely. I got, not only did it exacerbate my chronic conditions, but I got shingles, I got COVID twice, I got food poisoning all the time. Like, you mean, like I just, my immune system's just BS.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
No. And my doctor, you know, It was hard because even when I was working from home, every week was a win.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
I think he took advantage of that because every week was a win. Like, I did it. I wanted to have that self-identity because I felt like my career was stolen.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So I worked really hard every week just to survive. And at the expense of, honestly, spending time with my kids and living more of a life because I wanted that career.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
That's a hard thing because my doctor kind of disagrees. He's like, he needs to take care of you. You do, but y'all need groceries.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So no alimony, but child support. And then he did owe me a promissory note from what he had spent. He had agreed to sign for that, some of what he had spent. but I haven't really seen consistent payment on that, and I don't know if I will.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So because I had gotten that before, I'd been on the phone, but actually this week I was on the phone with Social Security for like three hours on hold in that process.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Yeah. So my parents, because there was also construction happening, we had a flood in the house and had to leave. So there was construction happening at the house and that went over budget and
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
um you know my ex was supposed to pay half of that but he didn't so my parents had to loan me money for that so i really do need to sell so i can pay them back because they're older and i don't want to have to have that burden on me as well well there there is that but i'm talking more long term because if you sell your house just to pay off a debt that's fine but where are you and you're with three or four kids where y'all gonna live
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
I'm hoping in a house where I don't have a mortgage.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Right now, other than child support, correct.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
I do got, I'm grasping the gravity. I just, um, That's why I'm calling.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Thank you. Yeah, it's very stressful, and I know it's like a vicious cycle there, so I'm just... Yeah. Yeah, there's just not a lot of options. There's not a lot of options.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Getting the truck listed and putting that up for sale.
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Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
It's not what I want to do, but it's not always what I want to do.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
So I have a 17-year-old son, almost 18, and we've pretty much raised him on FPU principles since he was about six or seven years old. And he is in a pretty serious, healthy relationship with a young lady that we do really like. And I know it may seem like too early to tell or anything like that, and we're not the kind of parents that's like, oh, my God.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
But, you know, you have to feel like... But you're hopeful she might be the one. I'm pretty sure. So... You know, not anytime in the near future, but she is set on being an orthodontist.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
Exactly. That is my question of how to approach this with them. We have talked to him just briefly. The conversations have just started. He does think it's dumb. to take out student loans. She's briefly said that she's totally fine with having $250,000 of student loans that might take her 20 years to pay off because that's what usually what orthodontists have.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
And I kind of briefly said that you guys may not even be afford to eat. And I just don't know how else to approach this besides maybe getting them to watch the borrowed future, take foundations and finance. But, you know, it's just starting.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
Right. That's what we've been talking about with him.
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Face Debt Head-On Before It Destroys Your Family
Well, I have brought it up to my son. To your son, yes. And he said that he would watch it with him. He has brought it up to her. And so we do plan on doing that this summer.
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It’s Time To Cut Debt out of Your Life!
Hi, guys. Thank you so much for having me, and thank you so much for what you do. Thank you. My husband and I have quite high credit card debt, and we were wondering if we should do a home equity loan to pay this credit card debt off.
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It’s Time To Cut Debt out of Your Life!
Yes, that's the main thing, but I hear you say don't borrow too much. pay, you know, credit cards. And I'm just, I'm wondering if that is... All right.
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It’s Time To Cut Debt out of Your Life!
It's been over several years, so I'm not even sure. I would say maybe vacation. Maybe just places that we wouldn't normally use our bank card because we're nervous about the security.
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It’s Time To Cut Debt out of Your Life!
So we do have a little bit of money in the bank, but this is new. So we made probably $120,000 maybe last year and about the same the year before. So this is a newer. You've over doubled your income.
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WWDTM: Jim Rice
Hi, my name is Keely, and I'm from Exeter, New Hampshire.
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WWDTM: Jim Rice
I run a small business out of my house named Breaker Bikes where I mount and balance motorcycle tires.