Jake Shane
Appearances
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I drove around a parking lot. I'm just like, but honestly, I just went skiing for the first time. I thought I could never do that and I could do it. Okay, that's hard. But I found myself getting distracted and falling. Oh, okay. So like if I find myself getting distracted and crashing, it's a little different.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Right here. I know, but like I get scared about like, I don't know, I feel like I would need like a mini clown car.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
So before this podcast, we were going to do like people teaching me how to drive. So like it would have been us right now, but you would have been teaching me how to drive instead. Wow. And we shot one episode of it. And I watched it back, and I was like, this is literally just carpool karaoke.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Were y'all singing, or were you screaming? I was singing. Okay, that's good. And I was like, this is taken. I see. I must do something different.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Exactly. You were too distracted. See, that's why. The thing is, they would tell me one thing, how to drive, and then it would just be silence. And we'd be like, so what should we talk about? L. Oh, L. That literally sounds like driver's ed. They would be like, turn left. And I'd be like, okay. It was like my friends in the car. And then Julia, my friend, was like, so.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And we set up this whole shoot day. Do you remember this? That's hilarious.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Like, we would play the music. Oh. And we would just start singing. And then at the end, it was like. It was so awkward. Yeah, we had nothing to talk about. We were like, should we answer questions from who? A ghost? Like, we have no questions to answer.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Like, I had something last week. And, like, the thing about me is, like, I go all fucking in. I'm like, this is my life. This is what is going to be my life for the next year. Right. And I had this thing, and I was like, this is my life. I literally woke up the next day, and I was like, cancel the whole thing. We can't do this.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Really? Like sometimes in the moment, you're like, this is bad.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
It's so humbling. You just have to go back to the drawing board. You pivot. You pivot. Just like Disney taught you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
But is there anything, and it just like, I just, I'm feeling it today. Is there anything you're therapist about? Therapist about? Explain what that means. Like angry. Is there anything you're pissed about?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Like, let me, like, what am I angry about today? I'm angry about, I hate how I get bloated after a workout. It just feels counteractive. Like, that's what I'm actually angry about. Like, immediately after? Immediately. Because I'm fucking starving, shaking hungry. Like, I was up at 4 a.m. today because I'm so fucking jet lagged. And then I worked out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And then by the end of it, I was, like, shriveled hungry. And then I ate. And I was, like, I feel worse than I felt before the workout.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, there's no way Beyonce wouldn't have been late to the Grammys if that's the case. Because she would have access.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Where's this conspiracy from? TikTok. Can someone explain this conspiracy to me?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
There's an underground Starbucks, too. Oh, come on. Yes. What did the TikTok say?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
From where? Silver Lake Ramen. I love Silver Lake Ramen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
They're making life easier over there. Okay. This just, I don't buy it. You don't believe it could be possible? Because then why are they shutting down the roads when the president comes into town?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Everything gets shut down. We can't walk into anything. Everything gets shut down.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Wow. OK, so what did you learn from the last one that you put into this album?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Oh, I love it. Okay, so where was this album born? How long has it been in fruition for?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Oh, that's incredible. You sound so excited about this album.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I feel like people I mean, I know people are so fucking excited for it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Do you have a favorite song on the album or song you're most excited for people to hear?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yes, but Silver Lake has crispy rice, right? Don't they? They do. Yeah, see, no, I'm telling you. I'm not lying. I love Silver Lake ramen.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I'm so excited. Tell me about the music video for Taste.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
That sounds like something that would happen in Survivor.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I'm pumped. Thank you. I feel like I've said I'm pumped four times, but I am. You are. And I love that for you. Thank you. Thank you. So when you were making this album, what were you listening to? Like outside of your own stuff, what were you listening to?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I love Jinya ramen. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I mean, you knew that. Are you going to see the Cowboy Carter tour?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I'm pumped. Did you see Renaissance? What city did you go to?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I wanted a dog so bad. The other day, I called Luis, and I was like, I really want a dog. I'm going to get a dog. And everyone was like, that dog will die. Oh, my God.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, no, no, no, no. See, it's not my sketch. It's who I am. Oh, gosh. You know what I mean? So it's you. It's me. It's like I can't. So I can't even imagine like, you know, Beyonce. You wouldn't feed it? You would forget? I would forget. I know I would forget. I know I would forget. The dog sitting right there in front of you scratching. No, I would just like, I don't know what I would do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, I need you to find yourself and figure it out. No, literally. I'm like, how are you dogs 50 years old and still need help?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Dude, there's nothing like a dog on its deathbed. My fucking dog.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Go ahead. Like, my old dog, rest in peace, Katie, was.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I remember at the end of it, we would all look at her. Like, me and my friends would be like, why? Like, why is she still alive? You know what I mean? And I would look at my mom like, it's time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Like, we are feeding her 10 pills a day. Oh, my God. Please.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, because... And then I, like, booked a trip to New York. I was really feeling myself. Like, I was like, let's go to New York this weekend. And then my parents were like, by the way, that weekend you're in New York, she's going forever.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And I was like, are you kidding? So I had to say goodbye to her. I was like, bye, Katie. I went to New York.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I was like, bye, Katie. I love you. I was like, I love her, but I'm on like meds that don't let me cry. And I was like, four or six years. I can't My dad was like No Katie was not well Like Katie was Like I don't know how She was still alive My mom strolled her around In a stroller Jeez Louise I ate some cheese I Oh Katie Oh my god Katie Did you have fun in New York? The best time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
A wicked fucking way. It's like, are you going to scratch me?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
What are you going to do? And it's like, you're related to a tiger. Hello? Like, do you know what I mean?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
But it's like, you can't like cuddle. And people are like, no, you can cuddle with cats. I'm like, but what if it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And they'll like scratch you. And it just like bugs me out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Okay, I know. I used to think it was pho. It's pho. Yeah. It, Do you get like bad hangovers? Yes. The ultimate hangover cure. What? I've never experienced. It's like a mix of like some, somehow it's refreshing and really, because when you're hangover, your body, when you're hangover, when you're hungover, you're missing, you're missing salt and it's so salty and it just like cures you. It's like.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
So ever since then, I'm not, I'm not a cat. Do you have a pet now?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Exactly. And that's enough for me. Exactly. I fostered a dog for two days in college.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
That's the name of it? Kimchi and Honey. They were twins.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
one the ones i just recently seen on tiktok like one girl yes do you know what she's talking about and that one had the blue scarf i was like oh girl you're sickening play that tune play that tune actually my best friend at the time had one and i definitely stole hers because she had like three and i'm like you don't you don't you don't value this hey you guys we have a new sponsor for the podcast everyone say welcome to cozy earth
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Well, when I was on the website, I discovered that they also make clothes. And not only do they make clothes, but it's, like, elevated loungewear. So it's, like, temperature-controlled T-shirts and pants and sweats. And it's so comfortable, you guys. I'm not even kidding. They have this pant called the Everywhere Pant. And...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I'm like a sucker for a pant that you can wear to like dinner, but like also to a movie or just chilling at home. And like, that's what you can do with the everywhere pant. I kept hearing so many people talk about Cozy Earth. It was my friend's bedding for like all of college. And so I was just like, okay, I'm just so happy I discovered it because I really wear it every single day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Okay, you guys, I leave for tour today. So while I'm on tour, me and my team are going to be using Booking.com to be finding hotels all over the country for us to stay in. Because Booking.com is the easiest and most affordable way to book travel. They have a huge variety of options and I know I can find exactly what I'm looking for.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Also, like my number one anxiety is going somewhere and not having a place to stay. So with Booking.com, it's so easy to like organize a trip that like you can do it far in advance. So I'm like such a fan of the website already. Because I'm going to so many cities and also because I don't drive, I want to be sure I'm staying in like walkable and like centrally located places.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, you're, but like you're super dehydrated in terms of like sodium too.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
places and booking.com is like very very helpful with like figuring out where the best place to stay is based on your needs also if you're using booking.com to book a vacation and you're booking a hotel room you can choose if there's like a pool a balcony like whatever you need in your hotel room or your hotel like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
that you can like customize your search to find a hotel that has that or a place to stay that has that. And not only can you book a stay on booking.com, the reason it's called booking.com is because you can book a car rental service, a flight, literally anything you need for your trip, you can book. Thank you Booking.com for sponsoring this episode again.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
What a perfect time as I literally leave for tour today. And I am so excited. Find exactly what you're booking for on Booking.com. Booking. Yeah. So tell me what's wrong. The pussy is right in. And they tell us what's wrong. Okay. And we give them advice. Okay. Okay. And then we'll prescribe them something. Prescribe them something? A drug? Like. Well, it could be, but it's like, I hate this guy.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Okay. And he's with this new girl, and I don't know what to do. Oh, my God. So funny you say that. I prescribe you Tummy Hurts remix featuring Coco Jones.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
The music medicine. Yes. I like that. Or TV medicine. Ooh. Wait, I've never even asked you, what do you watch?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I love... Have you ever seen Girls? Girls? With Lena Dunham?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Because Broad City and Girls gives me a little... Broad City is a little goofier, but now that you're in your 20s, Girls hits different.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, I think you'd like it. It's great. It's one of my favorite shows of all time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah. I love those. It's like dry. Not as dry as Broad City because Broad City is like ultimate dry.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Who wrote that? They're amazing. They're so funny. They're amazing. I love Broad City. My roommate is in love with me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
He told my other roommate that he wanted to confess his feelings to me, but I do not feel the same. And now I'm dreading the uncomfortableness.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Hey there, Mr. Mr. Okay, radio. Stereo. The way you move ain't fair, you know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I don't know, but I love it. Yeah, me too. Thank you. Wait, so you just announced your new album.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I always feel the need to say sorry. Oh. I'm really OCD, so I'll be like, Sorry, sorry. Like I need to squash everything and make sure like we're good. There's no bad blood. You're feeling fine. I'm feeling fine. Like we're good.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Not nice. Or something. Is it something fucking nice?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
When I'm drunk, I always cry. But not like a pretty cry, like ugly sobbing crying. It's so embarrassing, and I don't want to stop drinking when I go out, but I don't want literally every person I go out with to have to take care of this big baby.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Just switch your alcohol. Sounds like you're drinking tequila or vodka, and one of them is not resonating with you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
But the last time I cried, it was like... The forced one for Katie.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Was it that one? I was like... But, like, the thing is, I felt it for her. Yeah. I felt it. I just can't come out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
It's horrible. And it's funny you mention that, because I actually was talking to my therapist today, and I think I tapered down on my meds. So I think I'm gonna do that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, my dad is like, hey, it's Big Pharma. He's like, you need to taper down on these beds.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, right? Your eyes get soggy? Like, I'll feel it right here.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
In the tear ducts below the eye surface? Like, I'll feel it, like, right here.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
You don't watch Housewives, do you? I don't. Oh, my God. Okay, so on Salt Lake City... There was this very beautiful moment with Mary and her son, and I got very emotional during that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Powerful. That takes some courage to do that on national television.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
It was such a moment. It was one of the realest moments in Housewives ever. Like I'm a big Housewives fan and you just felt how real it was. Wow. And it was just like so, oh God. And Mary... Mary used to be, like, people used to really struggle with her, and she just had this, like, crazy redemption these past two seasons. Yes, like, crazy redemption.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
So she was like, you don't like me for being myself? Okay, I'm going to come back on the show and still do exactly what I did.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Because everyone, she left and then everyone was like, wait, we miss Mary.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah. She marries the best. I love Mary. Wow. I can't make this up. I was in the gym on the Stairmaster when I felt the need to poo. But before I could even hit the stop button, I had shit my pants in a packed gym. It smelt and I had to run while holding my butt. So everyone basically knew it was me. I don't know how to help you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
We need to start researching these things. That's what I'm thinking, too. My dad knew. Oh, my God. God bless him. He's alive. Sorry.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I took an ancestry DNA test just for fun and to see where I'm from, but I ended up finding out that my dad isn't actually my biological father. What the fuck do I do?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I don't. How is that right? I don't know. Also, you're not supposed to give your DNA to those sites. It's very sus.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I prescribe an uncomfortable conversation. I prescribe some research. Just like that friend you used to have.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And I'd be like, just bringing this to you. Yeah. Give me the real.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Just be like, hey. And if she lies, be like, well...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yes. Oh, I loved Pretty Little Liars, though. Oh, I wanted that to be my life so bad.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
That show. Grabbed me by my neck. Yeah. I didn't let go. In a great way. It was the best show I've ever seen in my life. So the reboot. The reboot.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, no, no. It was like. Did you say 30 years? Yeah. Look, it was a completely new cast with a few same people. I thought you said three. No, 30. Oh, my God. Did you ever watch Degrassi? I did. That was my shit.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
But for those asking, you know, I, right before this, I was like, I think I'm going to stop sharing some of my personal life on here. But then I was like, whatever. So I did actually kind of go on the date. Like, I don't really know how to describe it. Like, it was like a speed date. Like, we met up at the club for like 20 minutes or the festival for like 20 minutes. But it went great.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Oh, I was like up there. I knew Drake from Degrassi. Wow. And then he wanted to, there was a whole storyline on the show. He wanted to become a rapper.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I swear, if I'm remembering this correctly, he wanted to become a rapper. He had this girlfriend with really short hair. She really believed in him, but he was in a wheelchair. And then all of a sudden he left the show and was Drake.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, I think he like left to pursue his dreams on the show. If I remember correctly. But like, did you ever watch it with him on it?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yes, I was like, hold on, Drake. Because I was like, on the show, I was like, oh, like, okay, like, Jimmy's gone now. Because there was always characters in and out of the show. And then I used to watch VH, a lot of people did MTV. I was a big VH1 kid. So every morning I would watch the music videos on VH1. And then I remembered seeing Best I Ever Had. And I was like, what? No way. Swear.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
So at first you were like, huh. I was like, that's Jimmy. Wow. And then I was like, oh, cool. And then he kept coming and coming and coming. And then he was raped.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Wow. Yeah. And how soon is the deluxe coming? Or I mean, I don't know if you can say that yet.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
So many people came from the USA, including the girl on 90210.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
No, it is the best show I've ever seen in my entire life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I can't believe that. I used to watch it and play video games at the same time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I cannot for the life of me find roommates I really like. Like everyone is either a little too messy, a little too needy, or just straight up wild.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
If you are constantly finding yourself hating someone, inward. Hello? Or maybe just live alone. It's not that serious.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah. I've always wanted to be an actor slash influencer, but I'm too worried people I know will judge me. How did you get over the fear of people judging you when you post online? Okay, so it's very different for you. You started when you were nine. Did you ever have that worry?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Thank you. It really is. I just wasn't expecting when I heard it. Yeah. The Britney sample.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Mine was it really, I will always credit my friends for it. It's the people you surround yourself with and you will always remember the people that didn't support you and made fun of you behind your back. First of all, you always know. And second of all, you will always, always remember the people that supported you. I'm so lucky that my friends never made me feel weird about it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
That's the guy. The Britney. Oh, I just spit on you. I'm going to kill myself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
They were just like, we'll look back on it and be like, oh, that was so stupid. But in the moment, they were cheering me on. It's just about who you surround yourself with. If you want to do it and the people you're around are like, That's weird. Maybe reevaluate who you're spending time with.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, still. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
They were, like, really my number one supporters. Yes. I mean, even Louise, like, has been with me since day one. And, like, I mean, like, looking back at it, I'm like, God, I was so delusional. But, like.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah. I love that, actually. Yeah. That's so dope. You need to be delusional. Yes. And you need people that are delusional with you. Yes. What's the fun?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah. I heard you guys talking shit about me on that podcast.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I learned that I haven't had this much fun with someone in so long, Coco. Oh, my God. Like, really and truly, I haven't laughed this long in so long. You are so fucking awesome.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
You going to be there at a show? Yes, I will be at a show.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Period. Thank you so much. Thank you. Want to give a little bye, pussies?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I just wasn't expecting it. Taste is like you really reinvented the sample. It's just so cool.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
You know what you said? That was so funny as you were like, was I worried that people were going to forget about me, but you, Work so much. You do. You're in Bel Air as well. It's like people would never forget about you because you're always working.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
He was lovely and awesome. So it was a speed date. Okay. It was a speed date and it went great. What else? Coco's new album, Why Not More, is out April 25th, and the lead single, Taste, with the accompanying music video is out now. I'm so traumatized from saying words wrong ever since subsequent. I, like, literally just panicked saying accompanying name. Am I having a stroke? Okay, cool. Okay.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Right. She does definitely get it. Yes. And also like, I feel like people like that. I mean, I don't know. Cause that's like such a level of celebrity that I don't know, but like, do they like appreciate that? Like quick sense of normalcy, like your mom being like, man, like, When's the last time someone's called Beyonce, like, ma'am or miss? You know what I mean? Please.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Like, it's always, like, Beyonce. Like, you know what I mean? Hello?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Nope. You don't think, like, she's any, like, Mrs. Knowles?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
My mom texted me, your friend chapel. I said, friend, mom. I was like, mom.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
I was about to say, yeah. What was that Disney media training like?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Yeah, I mean, I can imagine. How old were you when you started Disney?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
okay pussies enjoy the episode love you guys hi pussies welcome back to therapist today we have actress singer extraordinaire i adore her and i know you all do too welcome to therapist coco jones
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Do you feel more fulfilled by acting or singing or is it different?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
Hi pussies and welcome back to Therapus. Today we have actress and singer Coco Jones on the podcast and it was honestly one of the most, most fun? It was the most, it was some of the most fun I've ever had while recording. Sorry, I just couldn't figure out my grammar. I'm a little bit brain dead because I was just in Aspen this weekend with Celsius. It was really, really, really fun.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 59: Coco Jones
And how do you, what is like, I'm so fascinated by songwriting, but like, how do you, what, like, what is your ideal situation for writing a song today? Like, do you like to be in the studio? Are you home? Like, what do you, what's your ideal environment for that?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Hi, pussies, and welcome back to Therapus. Today, we have a dear friend on again, my first guest ever, Tate McRae. Her third studio album, So Close to What, comes out...
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Did you see that? Did you wake up to that this morning?
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It's pretty crazy. Like, I'm not going to lie. You're like, 40 to 22, eagles. Yeah.
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Well, you know that, like, writing stuff down is actually a method of manifesting.
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Like, I used to, when I wanted to hook up with this guy named Bleep It, I would write on repeat. Like, I think I have it in my diary 30 times over. I actually did see him one more time, and never again after that.
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No, I saw, I kept texting him, like, please, I want to see you. Please, I want to hang out. Jake! And he was, like, literally... lose my number.
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He has a new boyfriend that he brought all around Europe, so.
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Well, what's your family's reaction to Nostalgia when you played it for them? Were you nervous to play it for them?
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Well, I thought it was a really beautiful ender to the album.
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Because it's like... It's kind of beautiful. Well, it is beautiful, but it's kind of beautiful in the sense that, like, the whole album is about, like, the whole theme is, like, so close to what. So you're, like, constantly thinking about, like, this, that, this, like, what am I reaching towards? What am I going towards? And then at the end of it, you have this nostalgia.
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You kind of, like, forget everything along the way.
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Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think it's such a beautiful way to end the album. Thank you. And, like, finish the train of thought you created.
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Cheers to So Close to What and the Miss Possessive World Tour.
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I do. I really, it's Tate. Like I cannot, I know I'm like jumping all over the place, but it's because I really just spent this entire weekend with this album on repeat. I'm like, it, it seriously is.
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Super Bowl weekend. It seriously is. I listened to it on the way to my work, the workout today. Like it seriously is like, it's so cohesive. It's so like realized. It's so smart. It's so like cunty. Like, all, like, the references are there. Like, it's just such a beautiful body of work. And I'm so proud of you.
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I really am. Like, it is so awesome. And I kept thinking I'm so fucking excited to see this live.
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Is it going to be, like, similar to Think Later Tour? Or, like, what, like, is it going to be, like, different? I mean, you're doing way bigger venues.
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Is there a song you're like most excited to perform?
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Wait, but, like, I think it's, like, a funny bit if it happens.
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No, that's, hey, I need everyone to whisper. Okay.
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whisper i'm gonna be mortified on stage you're just gonna be like wait you're literally gonna be like sweet stop guys i'm like restart um so but i think that one will be fun oh i'm so excited is there there was a song i was listening to and i was like oh the dance break oh miss possessive the dance break for that is gonna eat yeah miss possessive will be fun which other ones blood on my hands will be fun
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I just, like, you and, like, Flo Millie, like, trade verses really well. Thank you. Like, it's, like, really, like, it really works. Thank you. It feels like, I don't know, I just, I really, really like it. It's just, like, so, such a hit. Like, it's such a, like, Blood on My Hands to me is such, like, a certified, like, undeniable hit.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapus. Today, we have one of my best friends, which I never get tired of saying. She is one of the biggest pop stars in the world right now. Her third studio album, So Close to What, is out tomorrow, so the 21st, at midnight. Tate McRae.
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Sometimes the worst things that can happen lead to like the best pieces of art.
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It is. I'm dead ass serious. Everything happens for a reason.
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Because, like, it's just, it's, like, what was, like, I didn't even, we haven't even spoken about, like, what was it like, like, working, like, did you, were you in the, you were in the studio together, no?
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over the phone right like you'll send in a verse and like yeah they've never been like real get in the studio so that was at least I was like comfortable with him yeah so it wasn't that scary but it was definitely a first for me that song is so fucking catchy it's really catchy it's really good thank you Peyton was also addicted to that one really addicted we were addicted to the whole album but there were two songs that Peyton kept going back to and it was Miss Possessive and I Know Love really yeah interesting
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Yeah, but the reason I know this album is so fucking good is because it really does change on the day. Right. Like, well, I guess you renamed it to, what was it? It was Means I Care.
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That one is like, was my favorite today. Like it really like. Interesting. Yes. It just really like like what was your like overall like aesthetic that you were going for with the album?
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I fucking love that album. But yeah. Is there any, like, what's your favorite? I was so excited to ask you this. What's your favorite lyric on the album? If you have one.
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I love the one where you say, like, did my dance on your lap make you nervous? Because when you think about it in relation to the media, and you're, like, dancing on their lap metaphorically, so cool.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Right. I think that's, what's so beautiful about that song is that it can be interpreted. And just like the whole album is all, they can be interpreted in so many different ways. Are you excited to see how everyone takes each song?
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I can't believe the speed at which you make music. Same. Whenever somebody asks me about you, I'm like... The only thing besides that you're like the sweetest and the funniest and the best friend is that you work harder than anyone I know.
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Yeah, but isn't that, like, so fucking cool that, like, everybody got to grow up with you, like, through your music?
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I'm so excited for everyone to hear it. Is there any song that you were nervous to put on?
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Oh, yeah, the pony look. Your hair was very straight.
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I just thought you were talking about the horse.
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And then when you said that the hair was blown out, I was like, wait, that doesn't make sense because the hair was straight with the horse.
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Oh, my God. Are you... Is there any song you're like... Like, do you have all the choreography down for every one of the songs of tour yet or now? When does tour start?
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So, okay. Like we have so much to get into.
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I honestly feel like people underestimate how quickly, oopsie just spilled everywhere. I feel like people underestimate how quickly you learn a dance.
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Like I remember, uh, uh, standing at MSG and Tanya was like, I'm like so excited for it's okay. I'm okay. They just learned the choreo yesterday. And I was like, what?
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
No, no one was going to let that happen though.
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No, I was scared that you weren't going to be able to see me and I was also scared. Like, I don't know what I was, I was just scared about it.
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Where did that come from? Because I remember when you came up with it. Yeah. But where, like, where did that come from? And like, what else was like in competition for title? Yeah.
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We nailed it. And we also like, I remember running to your dressing room right before the show started and I was like, Okay, so what are we going to do? And you're like, okay, this, that, and the third. I was like, okay, bye.
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And it's so based in synchronization as well. Like, for all of you.
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It was so visual in the sense that, like, you're all doing the same thing, like, kind of in, like, a line. You're all... Like, you know what I mean?
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It was so sick. And I was so excited to see the headset moment realized. I know.
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You know what you did that show that was the sickest recovery I've ever seen in my entire life? When the mic was slipped out.
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And it somehow you ran up, picked it up, came back, had a moment to like pose.
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And then like got back into the choreography. And I just remember everyone was so impressed. Yeah.
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Because that's how well it worked. It, like, slipped out. You ran down, picked it up, had a second to pose, and then what? It was, like, so sick.
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You were nervous. I've never seen you get nervous for a single show ever. You were nervous for MSG.
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It was also just such a big deal that you sold out MSG and, like, we're doing MSG. Like, it was such a big deal. It was so cool.
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Like, that's intense. I hung out with the fam the whole night.
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You were like, he's seen so many of my shows, but he really liked that one.
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Oh, and that's like hard for grandparents, I feel like.
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When you work with someone and it's like that it's like oh I see why you're so successful.
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You know what I mean. It's like I see what I see why this works.
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I do. You know everything. And it's funny because last time we did this, I actually didn't know everything. No.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
We were really close, but I would say we got a lot closer in the past year. A hundred percent. I was with you every single day for a certain period of time, so I was really knowing what was good.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, there's a song that I made Tate make once, and she'll never release it, but it's amazing, so... Oh, One Track Mind?
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I guess tomorrow at midnight now and we talk a lot about that personally it's my favorite work that she's ever done I think it's so cohesive and amazing and just god I just I'm so excited for everyone to hear how amazing it is so incredible um But yeah, in terms of me, we just announced the dates that Connor will be joining us for on Live with Jake Shane. You can see them on my Instagram.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
The best song ever. There was a situation one day, and Tate was so angry about it, and I was like, girl, put that shit in the music.
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You made this amazing song, and I don't know if it'll ever see the light of day, but it's called One Track Mind, and if you see it, know that it's my favorite song.
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You were furious, and you were like, oh, I just can't. I feel bad. And I was like, it's fine.
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I was like, you... You need to just go to the studio and you need to let it out and be a bad bitch and you need to not feel bad about it.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Because you are so caring and you're so empathetic and you're always like feeling bad about like, and you're like, you're always like taking care of everyone else's feelings. I'm like, no, no, no. You have to take care of your feelings right now. And if that means making a song that everybody in the world is going to hear, then that's what that means.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Should we get into the tell me what's wrongs?
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Go pee. Tinder is back and it's easier than ever to put yourself out there. Whether you're looking for a one-time hookup or a long-term relationship, Tinder is there for you. Real connections happen every day on Tinder and a new relationship starts every three seconds. Long story short, Tinder is...
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where it's at right now it all starts with a swipe and you won't know if you don't try and I know a lot of you are single just like me and I really feel like tinder is the perfect place to find love it's cuffing season it's it's time we need you know dating apps are the new meeting people in bars it's just we're in a digital generation it's a digital age and I think if you're not
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
actively trying to find love, you can't expect love to always find you. Last week was Valentine's Day, and once again, I spent it alone. So I know I will be on Tinder, swiping left and right to make sure I find the one. Tinder gives you the freedom to meet people your way, whatever that looks like. So if you're waiting for a sign, this is it.
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Explore all the possibilities for yourself on Tinder today. It all starts with a swipe. Download Tinder today.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, first, we have to do what you're a therapist about today.
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Do you want me to go first with what I'm angry about? Yeah, go. Do you have what you're angry about?
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Okay, what am I angry about? I'm angry about... I hate the feeling of being gaslit and having it work. Like, I hate when someone tells me I'm wrong when I know I'm right. Okay. But I convince myself then. Then I'm like, oh, I'm wrong. Okay. It's the most defeating feeling in the entire world when you come at something with such strength and such, like, I'm upset about this.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Like, I'm really angry. And they come back at you with, like, actually, that's incorrect. Your anger is wrong. That is... Yeah. And then I'm also angry about... Not much. I'm really happy you're here. You don't get angry about much.
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It's always bubbling under, but you're always really able to brush it aside.
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Well, your mom driving your car and not unlocking your door.
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I need to listen to your album with you in your car.
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Because I will crash. And like, I mean, back in the day, I would have told you no because I liked extracurricular activities a little too much. And I was like, I was always...
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smoking yes okay but I actually quit weed I know I'm so proud of you thank you so much yeah I mean like there was a point where I was literally like bitch do I just show up high to the workout and she was like no yeah so that's when I knew I had a problem and I quit but um I yeah I just like I don't know can you would you get in the car with me I don't know yeah would you get in a car with me would you get in a car with me I don't know
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I'm also really short, and I feel like that's... Yes, that's what I'm more scared of. That's what I said, and someone tried to tell me... Someone tried to tell me the other day that being short wasn't a problem with driving, and I'm like, I feel like it is.
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
It's like I need to drive, like, a Mini Cooper. And, like, I don't want to drive a Mini Cooper, goddammit. You would drive a minicoot. Yeah, I would. Like a little pod car.
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And I would just float around Los Angeles in my little pod car.
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It won't even fit my luggage because it's so small.
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You know, before Therapus, do you remember this? I said I was going to do a show where it was like different people teaching me how to drive.
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Okay. That makes sense because it didn't really live to see the light of day.
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But we did one episode with Nebra and Julian and it ended up just being carpool karaoke.
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So we were like, oh, we have to scrap this. This isn't working. Right. This isn't working.
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I learned how to drive around a parking lot and I was like, this is really scary. Like, I'm scared.
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Wait, you're a good driver, though. Why were you failing it six times?
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I understand that. You're, like, imagining the worst case scenario.
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Before we get into the tell me what's wrongs, since we've like done these almost like a year apart.
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What do you think has changed the most in the past year?
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Because like when we just left the room, Louise was like seeing how you guys like handle yourselves on camera in the past. Like, right. And the difference in the past year is night and day.
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Right, like we're still doing the same thing.
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Right. And I think you are, I think you're like, like a lot more confident in your craft.
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Like you're always confident in your craft, but like you're, you're more unapologetic with it.
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I don't, you're more like, like, okay. Like a year ago you were like, Yes, no, do I, do I, do I, do I. And now you're like, I'm doing.
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You were. And now you're like more like, this is what I'm doing. Like tag along or get lost.
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And then you've now, like, I mean, you're doing Radio City this year. Thank you. That means a lot. Because do you remember all those conversations we'd have in the sauna where I was, like, tweaking as fuck?
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Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
fuck about certain business things yeah of course and now I'm I also think like I'm a little more you're way more sure of yourself I'm way more sure of my decisions yeah and now like I'm like I'm gonna do it but it's crazy how necessary like those kind of changes are in order to take a bigger step forward you inspired me in a lot of really yes wow you actually I think about you all the time thank you I'm not kidding you guys because you make decisions that are good for you like like
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When it comes to your art, you've changed a lot in the sense that like you're way less apprehensive, but you've never been apprehensive about like the decisions you make for your business and what you do.
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You've always been like, this is what I'm going to do because this is good for me and my business.
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I have to do eyes every time where it's bad luck. I'd say bad sex, but I don't do that, so.
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Here we go. This one night stand I had has turned into a dead ass one week stand. Must be nice. This guy has basically lived with me for the past five days. We really clicked and I might be developing some feelings. But should I kick him out? Because that's a little strange. No help. I am confused.
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She wants to. She doesn't know how she feels. And I actually know exactly what to prescribe.
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Yes, that's what she's saying. Jake. No, that's what she's saying. That's what, because you're saying in the song, you're like, if I spend six nights with you, it's because it's convenient.
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Right. And she's saying like, I'm scared. That's like actually so perfect, Nolan. Wow. She's saying like, she's saying like, I'm scared. I'm developing feelings like.
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I remember you, can I say, Greenlight was supposed to be the first single. Yes. It was, I remember that was the first song I heard from the entire project. Yes. Was Greenlight, and that was supposed to be the first single, and then it was It's Okay, I'm Okay.
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Oh, well, yes. He's been staying with you for a week, so maybe it's time to, like, hug him.
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you gotta ask him how he feels though what if he likes her back if he's there for five nights straight he probably doesn't just like think of her as a one night hook up I'm so excited for that to eventually happen to me one day where it's like I spend one night with someone and I live with them for a week after I think it will happen I think this year yeah you know I'm going on a date when I go to Aspen I'm going on a date a ski date whoa are you guys like what does that entail
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I don't know. He was like, here, do you want me to read you the messages?
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Where's my phone? You're going to gag at the messages.
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What should I do? Also, P.S., please tell Tate McRae that I cannot wait for So Close to What, and that album is going to win a Grammy.
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Should I focus on a girlfriend or on school? I regret not focusing on my love life and only focusing on school.
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As Nicki Minaj would say, stay in school, Barbz.
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I will say I do regret, like, not focusing on my love life at all in school. I didn't focus on it at all. And the first guy... Okay, the first guy I ever spoke to on Grindr when I was 18... 18 years old, I saw him last weekend. I literally looked and I said, that's him.
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No, he was with his boyfriend. And I said, oh my God, that's him.
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You've been working on this album for so long.
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I actually, sometimes, like, okay, so sometimes I, like, feel it in the moment, like, when I'm, like, really shaking and, like, this, that, and the third. But, like, it's different with, like, cardio because you're, like, you feel yourself, like, really getting snatched while doing the cardio.
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Sometimes during Pilates you don't feel yourself getting snatched, but then, like, a day later you're, like, I'm kind of snatched.
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No, it's not. It's just, like. Sometimes, like, I try to keep up with, like, you or, like, someone I'm with. And, like, that's hard. Because, like, I'm not as flexible. But, like, I would say it's, like, so... At the end of the day, it's also, like, I feel, like, very peaceful.
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I think it's great for you. And I would suggest starting it. And don't be ashamed if you start and are shaking. Because I still shake and I'm two years in.
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I agree. And sometimes I avoid Pilates because it's hard.
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It's just like because I'm like, I've gotten so into like weightlifting.
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I love it. You remember you walked into the gym the other day and I was like.
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Dude, this album? Okay, so I spent the entire weekend with this album, and Tate, I cannot emphasize how good it is.
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I keep having dreams of my ex trying to get back together with me. I can confidently say my subconscious doesn't still like him because I genuinely would rather never kiss someone again than be with him ever again. What does this mean and what do I do?
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I feel like it's your brain just ruminating on, like, a what-if situation.
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I would prescribe, have you ever seen the movie, what is it, Sliding Doors? You would love this movie. I think it's with Gwyneth Paltrow. It's like Julia's favorite movie. And it's like basically, have you seen that movie? You would love it, Tate.
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It's like, so basically it's about like. So there's this train and Gwyneth Paltrow either gets on the train or she doesn't get on the train. And the entire movie is if she gets on the train or if she doesn't get on the train.
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So the entire movie is like a what if, but it ends. Sorry, spoiler alert. Both. I actually can't. You haven't even seen it. I can't spoil it. Watch the movie.
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Yeah. And I think that'll tell this person a lot about what they need to know. But I think it's also important to remember that just because you're thinking about it doesn't make it true. As someone with OCD and who's constantly has like the craziest intrusive thoughts, like just because it's in your mind doesn't mean it's true.
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And like sometimes I saw this the other day that was like emotions are like, like people on the street, like, you can acknowledge them and let them pass without having to, like, attach to each one of them.
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Front to back, like on repeat all day, every day. Like it seriously, like it was just so like sexy and it was so much. It was like, so like all your work is always confident and sexy, but it was like so much more confident and sexy than anything you've ever done. And like, it was so good. It's so good. And it's so like new. Everything you're doing is so much newer than anything you've ever done.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I know. It didn't change my life because I don't listen, but, like, it's... But you did see it. I did see it. My mom is dating one of my teachers and I'm so scared the kids at my school are going to find out because that's so embarrassing. No, it's not. Also, they kissed in front of the school when she came to pick me up and my friend saw them.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
So now she knows and I'm scared she's going to tell everyone. Well, first of all, if you ask your friend not to tell people and they do, that's not your friend.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Second of all, it's not embarrassing that your mom is dating one of your teachers. And I know that this happened in a show that I watched and I cannot remember for the life of me what show it was.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I think it's awesome. Yeah. Oh, maybe it was. Have you ever seen 90210? No. You would. I'm not. I'm seriously not even kidding. Have you ever seen 90210? No. Yep, that is exactly what I'm thinking of. It is the best. Tate, I'm serious. When you go home, if you have free time, watch 90210.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And I remember the show you were telling me to watch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Because Tate and I were, we were walking down the street the other day and I was like, what show were you telling me to watch the other day? And Tate was like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Okay. You will be down bad for 90210. Okay. My roommate threw away my pet hamster because she didn't like the sound of his wheel. Oh, my God. She fully admitted to my other roommates that she did this, but is telling me he just ran away. What the fuck do I do about this?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Honest to God, I feel like that's not legal.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Like, if you're down, like, get animal control and law enforcement involved.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
That is, oh my God, if my friend threw away my hamster.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I'd be like, wait, you actually are like a psychopath. You need help.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I would be like, you're a psychopath. So I'm in a friend group that loves to go out, but I don't because I have so much anxiety and IDKY. But I feel like I'm missing out on a fun college experience. Should I just suck it up?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Maybe this person is like around the maybe I feel like these the people that this person is around wants to go out like all the time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And maybe a part of them is like anxious that they are like I can't commit to being like a full partier but like I will have like my nights here and there. Yeah. And maybe it's just like the people that they're around.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I will also say that like there was a period of my life where I wasn't going out at all because I was so anxious. And then all it takes is like one time where you go out and you like bite the bullet and you like – and at the end of the day, you can always go home.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
You can always go home. You can always leave. Yeah. And you never know if you don't try. Like if you're in college and you're – You're always going to be wondering, like, what if? Just try. And if you hate it, then be like, I was right and I hated it. But who knows? You might love it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And I have a friend that experienced that, and it's not a fun feeling.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And if you're telling yourself you're only going out because you're scared... Like, just go out. Try something new that... I used to have this painting in my room and it was...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
a pool lap and everyone was swimming towards the finish line but there was one person that swam outside of the lap yeah and it was like supposed to inspire me to like step out of my comfort zone yeah and be the person who takes a risk yeah and like swims out of the lap yeah but like I think you should try to go out one night you don't have to drink you don't have to do anything yeah see if you like it and if you don't then you were right and yeah just try just try you're only young once you're you are only young once
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I have a clinical obsession with biting my toenails and it's getting weird, I think. But my partner just found me doing it the other night and is more weird.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I think I wrote this. You wrote this? Well, like, that's how I speak. I'm like, I think that's weird. But my partner just found me doing it the other night and is more weirded out than he should be.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Can I say it also felt different to me, too? Interesting. It felt, like, full steam ahead.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
No, it's toenails. You're right. That's fucking weird. If I saw someone biting their toenails, I'd be like, you need help.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Fingernails is one thing. Toenails is actually disgusting.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Yeah, and like, maybe get a pacifier. That's just also not
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
No. I once saw something that said biting your fingernails is equivalent to licking a toilet seat.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
No, we've given amazing advice, and we've given real advice.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
So my best friend is turning too boy crazy where all she does is talk about boys. I can be like, oh, I want ice cream. And she'll bring up a guy she's talking to loving ice cream. Ew.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
This is my best friend ever. Like, future maid of honor, but sometimes I just want to be like, quit the boy talk 24-7. So if this is your best friend, you can say that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And if you can't say that, then this isn't your best friend.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I said, she's like, my best friend won't shut the fuck up about boys. And like, this is my best friend, future maid of honor, like everything, this, that, and third. But I'm scared to tell her that she needs to shut the fuck up.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
You're not beating around the bush at all. Like, it's like, oh, like. You're saying it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
She prescribes an episode of Sex and the City.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Should we go through them and see if we can prescribe any of them?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, Means I Care was the best prescription I came up with the entire episode. That was good.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I want my eyebrow pierced, but I'm worried my mom will disown me. Should I do it anyway? Oh, your cushion is off. I was like, something feels wrong.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Like, were you nervous when you got like a, like when you were like, when I, were you, were you ever nervous to get like a piercing or like your tooth jam? Were you nervous that Tanya was going to be like, what the fuck?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I loved, I just like, the opener is so strong, Miss Possessive.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I still haven't gotten a tattoo. Have you gotten a tattoo?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
As Kim Kardashian once said, you don't put bumper stickers on a Bentley.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I think that this person should get an eyebrow piercing and worry about the mom later just because a piercing isn't permanent.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Yeah, keep it in for a little, figure it out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Get that piercing. Yeah. Nothing's wrong, but I just saw this question on Brett's Instagram. Plus, I need your take. If you had to play one song to turn a non-Swifty into a Taylor fan, what would you play them?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I saw a tweet the other day that was like, Style is the greatest pop song literally I've heard ever.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Yeah. Like, play them Style if they haven't heard it. I would play them. My favorite is The Archer.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
It's my favorite. I always play, I always, play them the song that you feel most passionate about because I think what people, what really turns people on to Taylor Swift, but just like an artist in general is passion.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
She's like, that's my favorite. Really? Yes. I was like, I love this. She was like, kept repeating it again and again and again and again and again because I love the, can you keep it, keep up, keep it, keep up.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
So like if you feel passionate about something and you can talk about it, that will be attractive to someone else.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
But it's also about like... You're so poetic, Jake.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Once again, we're perfect and we're awesome.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
That's what I was going to say. We grew a lot, like emotionally.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I learned a lot about the album that I thought I knew, but I didn't know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I didn't know that Purple Lace Bra was about the media.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Or I didn't know that it could be perceived as such.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, it's about a bunch of different things. Yeah. You know what I learned? I learned that Purple Lace Bra is not as straightforward as I thought.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And a lot of songs on the album are not as straightforward as I thought.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, So Close to What is out February 21st. It's the best album I've ever heard in my life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And I'm so excited for everyone to hear it. Tate, I can't wait to do this again next year.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Well, that's – and I also loved – Well, can we talk purple lace bra?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Because what it means is something entirely different than what I thought it meant.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I thought it was about a man. I thought it was about a man in your life. And the actual meaning of it, I think, makes it... I mean, besides Signs, it's my favorite song on the album, but... It makes it so much, it has, it makes it have so much more depth, your meaning of it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
So I'm super, super excited to tour with Connor. He's going to live on the bus with us. It's going to be really, really fun. God, what else? I watched the season premiere of White Lotus. I'm watching Paradise on Hulu. I'm obsessed. I actually recently just got into the new Porter Robinson album that he released last year. I really, really like it. I think that's everything that's new with me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I know how frustrating it is for you. I see it all the time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
You're also, like, so, like... Like, their 20s is, like, such an age where, like, everyone's opinion seems like it matters.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Do you know what I mean? Totally. At least that's, like, I don't know if that, like, I feel like that, we feel like we both share that feeling where it's, like, everyone's opinion matters at all time. But it's so different for you because you, I always, I've always said this to you, like, as a pop star, like, you are, like, you, it requires you to, like, really bear yourself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
like metaphorically like like you're like being like sexy and stuff but no i'm serious when you're getting like everyone's opinions and you're like sexy and stuff and like everyone's commenting on the video and this that the third you're like oh my god shut the fuck up yeah yeah it is yeah am i wrong like what is so funny no you are right it is like it doesn't back feel like that jake Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Not me as much as like you, like you bear so much of your life, so much of your life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And like music that you have to perform every single night to a bunch of different people.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Do you ever feel like one bad comment outweighs a thousand good ones?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
If I seem a little out of it, it's because I had a protein bar at 11 a.m. It's now 2 p.m., and I thought it would somehow hold me over. It obviously has not, and now I'm like, So hungry, I can't see anything. So I think I'm going to go. You know that Shailene Woodley meme that's like, you should probably eat. That's like how I feel right now. So I'm going to probably go eat. But enjoy the episode.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
I know, but sometimes it's almost like you're like, It's like your anxiety is like telling you it's there and your anxiety isn't going to shut up until you find it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
sometimes I'm like I don't know anything same you know a lot I feel the same um okay so can you I'm just like I need to go through like every song on this album yeah which we do it's just like we talk every single day so it's like every question I have has been answered you know what I would like to talk about
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
leak when that album got leaked yeah when because you because you put so much of yourself in that for so many months like take me through that night how how it went down how you found out well um i was in new york and i got a dm i was taking a bath and i got i got a dm from one of my fans and they were just like girl the whole album leaked
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
There's nothing. And that's the worst feeling in the entire world when there's nothing you can do. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
It's amazing. Stream so close to what? Out tomorrow at midnight, the 21st. And make sure to get tickets to see Tate live on the Miss Possessive World Tour. Okay, enjoy the episode. I love you, pussies. We're back. We're back. You know, you're my first guest ever. That's crazy. And I'm pretty sure my green room was a few boxes and a plastic chair.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
it is okay and like everyone did a really good job at like making sure like it went away and I feel like your fans are so good about that too and like yeah they were sweet about it I saw online like a bunch of stuff about like them like I feel like that's so like you that you found out through your fan is such a testament to the community you know and they're and they're like I don't want to listen to it yet and I'm like oh that like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
And the only thing you can do is come back from it, which you have. And you did sports car that week.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
It was really cheeky of me. It just feels like this album is so much more you than anything you've ever done because you're like being so honest.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 58: Tate McRae Returns
Like on signs, you're like saying like everything I say, you cannot take literally because I mean the literal exact opposite. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Hi, pussies. We are in Oklahoma City. Tour is happening. I am having the best time ever. We are having so much fun. There's a little drama this morning, but what is a trip without a little drama? But tonight we are in Oklahoma City and I'm so excited. I guess when this episode airs, I will be in St. Louis.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I get the munchies hard too. Yeah. It was just that. It's like all the salt. It was just like – and I wake up so much easier now. Wait, but you said you were a cold sleeper, speaking of. Yes. What do you sleep at?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Oh, that's pretty good, though. Yeah. 62, fan on, and then- For the white noise? No, no white noise. Are you ready for me to change your life? Yes. What's your mattress like? Is it technology vibes, or is it like a mattress mattress?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Nope. No, they are not. And you're like, oh my God, Jake, what's an eight sleep? Well, I'll tell you. It tracks your, here, where's my phone? It tracks.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Eight and a half. Sometimes nine. It depends on the, depends on the day. This is comfy though. It is comfy, right? Yeah. These are kind of comfy too. They're just kind of, they're not as snug as I usually wear my shoes. So wait, eight sleep? Yes. So this is my app, right? Oh, my brother has one of these. They like heats you up to wake you up. Yes. And vibrates. And it vibrates you to wake you up.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Tonight on Therapist, we have Ross Lynch. He is very gorgeous and extremely talented. He is one half of the Driver era, and they are gearing up to release their new album, which is amazing. I was able to listen to it. It is incredible. And I think we honestly hung out for so long during this. This episode really felt like a hangout. We're very different people. He loves nature.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Look at that. So this is my sleep fitness score. It's a 91.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
So this is, so last night I slept for seven hours and 47 minutes. It tells me when I had REM sleep, light sleep, deep sleep, and when I was awake.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, and I snored for an hour and 13 minutes last night. It says snoring? Yeah. Yeah. I think it tracks sound, which is weird, right?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I talk a lot of shit in my room, so I hope they don't.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, but you know what I did last night? My friend butt dialed me and I stayed on the phone just to see if they would talk shit about me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
That would be such a sad occurrence. Yeah, I got on the phone and I texted them. Well, I let them know. So I said, hey, you're dialing me right now, but I'm not hanging up. I'm waiting to see if you talk shit about me. Damn.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
They hung up. Oh. Which means shady business. Instead of being like, oh my God, they hung up and called me back.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Talking shit is, like, my favorite pastime. Really? It's just, like... I've just never gotten into it. I mean, it's just such a release. I don't know if it's, like, a girl thing, because, like, I'm friends with all girls. It's what we do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
But, like, sometimes I'll be at dinner, and it's just, like, let's go through the Rolodex. Yeah. And like, right? Are you talking about like what people are, who's dating who? Yeah, it's a lot of- Their like practice, like skincare? No, no, no, no, no. So that's like, that's like juvenile talking shit. Okay, okay, okay.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Talking shit is like when you're like, when I, when you're like a seasoned shit talker, like it's like life choices vibes. It's like, I can't believe they've done this.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, I'm going to think. Oh, like this guy and his girlfriend broke up. Breakups are always super juicy, I get it. Yeah, but we don't know them enough to really care. But we do. Well, that's probably better to talk shit. If you're not like emotionally invested. Right. And then they got back together, but we knew that the reason they broke up was like a real ender.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
So we were just confused as to why they got back together. No, it was just like moral differences. And so we were talking about how weird it is that they got back together because the reason they broke up like made sense to be like an ender forever.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm not, I, you know, I'm, you guys know, I'm like connected to my phone. Like that's my, that's like my, I'm not really in touch with nature, but he was really able to tell me why nature was important and why we should all go touch grass. And I really think you guys are going to like this episode. My OCD is telling me to redo that, but I'm going to keep that for you guys, okay?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Are you a flexible dater? Like, do you... Like, when you are with someone, like, do you, like... Are you like, this is who I am? Or do you, like... I'm reasonable. Right.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Which is, you know, I've never had a boyfriend. Never? Never. Not once. And I think it's, and I decided this morning that it was God being like, you, it won't work.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
But like, I decided this morning, like it was a sign from the universe that like they're protecting me. Okay. From myself. Well, that's cool. Yeah. From yourself. Yeah. Like, I just know I'll be a, like, I'll just, I won't be a good boyfriend. Can you imagine, Louise? Interesting. Like me with a boyfriend? You're 25? I'm really not selling myself here.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And this is kind of random because it's not what we're talking about at all.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Tell me about... so you started acting, well, you started acting on Kidz Bop and stuff, like Kidz Bop commercials. You can't really call that acting, but yeah, I was in front of a camera on TV before. Then Austin Alley. Yes. And then where was the transition into R5 and the Driver era?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I love you, pussies. Go to passthatpuss.com and see if there is a show near you for Live with Jake Shane. It is really, really fun. I've been loving doing these shows and meeting you guys in person has been amazing. And enjoy the episode. I love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have the one, the only. I say that for every fucking guest. It's actually diabolical.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Right. But there was always something to fall back on. Like, you kind of knew what you were doing. It's kind of like being, it's like your version of, like, middle school or high school. It was for sure my high school. Yeah. And did you... It was sick, though. I mean, yeah, that sounds amazing.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And you get along with your family super well, so it's super fun. Yeah, yeah. Do they ever come to set for all scenarios?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Are they still making music, Hollywood Records? Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
You said that you felt more famous than the actual band itself. Does that ever get frustrating?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Creative endeavors. Right. Like, I wish, like, all of me wants... Oh, are you not? No, it's like all of me wants to be like, I painted last night and I read and then I pranced around and did a walk and journaled. I bet you would, though, if you didn't have a TV. TV, that's not my main problem.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
My phone. Ross, when I tell you, like, you could put my phone on my body, like, sew it into my body... I would probably say yes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like, I'm so addicted to my phone. First thing in the morning, I wake up, immediately check it for two hours. Oh, whoa. Like, I twitch without it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's the instant... It got really bad once I started doing TikTok as my career.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
The instant gratification of like TikTok and social media, it's like... You're doomed. My...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
no i'm quite literally doomed like my main addiction and then i tried instagram reels that one night that insert tiktok got banned and i was like i think i'm gonna finally do it like i think i'm gonna go touch grass you know what i mean like i think because i hate instagram reels i'm sorry but what's the difference the difference is it algorithm based you are a realist person aren't you i'm not yes you know what i'm doing what you're doing i'm trying to touch more grass
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I don't know what grass smells like. I don't know what grass looks like. Grass could be yellow.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's, like, relaxing. Oh, sometimes, yeah. I used to have these stuffed animals that you would heat up in the microwave. Oh, whoa. And they would smell like lavender. That kind of sounds toxic, though. It's the most. And it smelled like lavender, and it would put me to bed.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
You can't. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. You brought up collaborations.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Did you expect that moment to be as big as it was when you did it? Or were you like surprised by the reaction?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
That album is so good, though. Yeah, for sure. What have you been listening to these days?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Well, you said you were listening to your own music while recording it, but before recording it, was there anything you were listening to a lot of?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, that's a vibe where I'm like, that ends with me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Right, right. Do you, okay, well, speaking of gratitude, is there anything you're a therapist about? No.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Therapist. Like, what are you angry about? Like, I'm angry about my morning nausea.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Morning nausea. I have it every single morning. I've had it every single morning since high school. And I get really nauseous.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Does that happen when you intermittent fast? No, it happens because I get anxious. And I get anxious via nausea. It's probably because you're spending two hours on your phone every morning, dude. Every morning, my screen time is 13, 14 hours a day. Oh.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Right. Okay, so I will go to Yosemite, but only if you go with me. I can do that for you. Would you really?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a song on the album about Paris.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I think you'd really like a show if you came to it. I want to go to one of your shows.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's not scary just because it was scary at first. And then, so my, okay. Standup gets is really, really scary when you have nothing to show for it behind you. So like I do, I do like a presentation type standup. So I'll show photos that go along with my story or videos or text or like something that really help kind of with just like the comedic timing of it all. Cause like I'll press it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like I'll press like the change and it'll work with the joke. But when you're just like talking and you have to just be funny and there's nothing behind you and you're just like kind of like that's real. That's real. That's really hard. That sounds terrifying. You guys, I did it. I worked out alone today without anybody else, just me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Usually I have to take a class or be with a trainer, but it was just me and my aloe moves today, okay? And I had the best workout of my life. I felt amazing after. I was so happy. And I did a HIIT class with weights in the hotel gym. And I am always one that when I get out of my routine of being home, I like can't work out. It's like sometimes I'll do a class here and there.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
But now that I've like done Alo Moves and I know that it literally feels exactly like I do in the gym, I'm going to do this every day. I seriously felt so amazing. I was on my own pace. But I was being helped by the app and the instructor on the app. And it felt like I was – Right back in the Allo gym, which I actually really, really do miss a lot.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
The past few weeks, it's been hard for me to figure out my personal wellness routine. I wake up late. I'm in a different city. It's just it's hard to like really have a workout schedule. But Allo Moves has made it so easy and it's really like helped me hold myself accountable. And I get to see my favorite trainers who I miss so much. Laura, I love you. Louie, I love you. Gio, I love you.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Booking. Yeah! We are now in Oklahoma City. And once again, we had no hotel booked when we got here. So we went on Booking.com and we found the Fortson Hotel. It was amazing. We wanted a gym and we wanted a steam room. And somehow we actually did get both. So that was amazing. But Booking.com made it really easy to put in the things we wanted.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
to make sure that we found the hotel that was right for us, even though we were doing it last minute. I'm usually one to panic when we don't have something booked, but because I really do actually rely on Booking.com and I trust that it will work, I had no worries at all and we ended up at an incredible hotel that does resemble Severance slightly.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
um which i'm also really excited for brett is coming and trudy is coming because that is trudy's hometown but yeah tour is great i'm having a great time i have this new thing where i stand on the stage and make everyone take photos of me like i'm on a red carpet and actually let's cut that that's for well why would i cut that i've already posted that i am a little manic
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
They have a huge variety of options from hotels to vacation rentals. I know that I will always find exactly what I'm looking for. You also aren't just able to book a hotel on there. You can book a car on there. And honestly, whatever else you need to plan like the perfect vacation or the perfect trip, Booking.com really does just make it really easy.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm honestly so happy they became a sponsor of the show right before tour because it has been super, super, super helpful and really awesome. And now I used to panic when we would have nowhere booked and we'd have to Google everything and go on all these different sites. But now we just want Booking.com and we put in what we need and we find a hotel easily.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
really, really quickly, and it's the easiest thing in the world. Find exactly what you're booking for on booking.com. Booking. Yeah! Thank you, booking.com, for sponsoring today's episode. I'll see you guys in the next city. Okay, well, you touch a lot of grass, so are you watching anything?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Oh, got it, got it, got it. So speaking of German shows, have you ever seen the show Dark?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
So, tell me a little bit about... Okay, so how long has the Driver era been together for? It's you and your brother.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yes. I watched like an episode or two. No, you have to stick with it. You have to stick with it. I've heard amazing things. It is the best show besides Girls on HBO. It is the best show I've ever, ever, ever seen in my entire life. Ever. And you would love it. Okay. I know you would love it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
What was I going to say? You never told me what you were a therapist about.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, it's not annoying at all. I aspire to be like that one day.
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six years now since 2018 yeah okay and seven years i guess wow time flies time does fly we were just talking about that i know where did you where were you guys born colorado colorado littleton colorado do you does your family still there some of my family is yeah but most of most everyone's in la now okay okay and did you guys all move out here when you started doing disney stuff
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Oh, well, you've gone through your Saturn return. That's why you're speaking like this. Saturn is my power planet. Yep. Well, you've gone through its return. That was like the big thing that was happening recently. I saw that. Well, it happens when you're 20. Correct me if I'm wrong. 27 to 30. And it's just like your life starts—I don't know, actually. I'm sorry.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's like your life starts to make sense, and you start to accept the things you can't control, and things start to come into the clearer picture. I'm also just making stuff up as I go, kind of based on the vibe of what I think it is.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Knock on your head three times. Wait, that's four times. No, knock three. Uh-oh. You knock three? Yeah. Cool. I get really superstitious.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Love whatever just happened. I'm going to go to bed with that. I'm going to take that with me.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm very superstitious about jinxing things. So I can't say, well, I'm very about OCD. So I can't say like something is going to happen because then the opposite will happen. OCD is the one where you need everything in order. No. OCD is... Well, it can be. Okay. But OCD is also... It's just like rituals.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
So I used to... I might have some of that. I used to have to look in the mirror... 10 times before I went to bed and smile. Oh, whoa. It was like a horror movie.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yes. Have you seen smile? I actually really liked that movie. I love that movie. You like two or one better.
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Thing. Well, I just thought it was so cool because, like, as a famous person, her whole thing was to always smile. Yeah. And then it, like, kind of became her demise.
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Was really, really cool. And then, like, the final scene, I thought, was, like, epic.
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The best one. Really? I don't know if that's a popular or unpopular opinion, but that was my favorite one that I've seen so far.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, so Nora is about a stripper that falls in love with a Russian oligarch's son. Fun. It is, and then it's not, and it's just so... Have you seen The Florida Project? Is that... I think maybe. It's the one where they live in the motel outside of Disney World? That sounds familiar, but I can't really remember. It's the same director who did that. Okay. And he's amazing. Okay, cool.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
And there's this actress named Mikey Madison who's the lead role in Enora, and she won the BAFTA last night.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Wow. I love her. No way. Yeah, she's awesome. You would really, really like it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I know. And I, I, I, I just felt like I like missed it. You know, when like someone's like, everyone's like 10 episodes in, you're like, I'm just, I'm on. It was like, I'm off the train now.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
But Mike White, the creator, I really adore. Yeah, he's been in the industry forever. Forever. Has he ever created a show before? Or is this his first show? I want to say he created this show called Enlightened with Laura Dern. It's great. It's all about capitalism and the corporate world. And he has this really beautiful monologue in it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
um called the ghost is seen and it's like one of the most beautiful does anyone know what i'm talking about no it's really moving i'll send it to you after this it's like one of the most moving television model it's basically his character in the show is like uh very introverted and it's very sad and like he has this really moving monologue and it's just a great show it's one of the best season two of enlightened is one of the best seasons of television i've ever seen is it on hbo yeah it's max
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I might be lying, but I don't think I'm lying. And it's really, really, really good. Well, Lauren Dern is just fantastic.
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I do actually want to watch that. There's this new show called Paradise. Okay. I love a government thriller. Give me a government thriller. I'm obsessed with Paradise right now. It's on Hulu and it's just an easy one. Wow. It's easy. It's great. Where do you find the time? Honestly. Well, I don't connect with nature, so I use that time instead to watch television.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Can I use the restroom real quick? Please. I'm going to be right back. Hit my puff.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Talk about a movie that I thought would get more attention and didn't. The Way of Water? The Way of Water. Never saw it. Oh, really? I saw the original Avatar maybe four times, and it also wasn't by choice.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
It was one of those movies where it was like, you have to go because it's about to break the record for highest grossing film in the world, so you just have to go again and again and again and again. It's like, why? Oh, seriously? Yeah, and I didn't love it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I don't know. I think it was just part of a movement.
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But the third one's going to be, have you seen Dune?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
So, yeah, but peeing is the best feeling in the entire world.
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Well, I just feel bad because you're my guest and I probably shouldn't be interrupting you is what Louise says to me all the time. But it just comes out. It just means I'm invested and I'm listening. Yeah, and you got something to say. Yeah.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, and what I was going to say was when you have anxiety, oftentimes your anxiety can get mixed up with your intuition so you don't know which one to listen to.
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Well, does smoking weed – Made it so much better without it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I was super paranoid. I was always questioning everything. I have this comedy album called Puss in Poems.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, and I didn't want to put it out every time I smoked. And I was like – Oh, shit. And I was like, it's too late. I've made it. So I've made the album. Like, so – I can't even have these thoughts because they're useless to me. The album's coming out. Yep.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like, we don't need to do five days. We could do, like, two nights.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No. Why would that ever be enjoyable? How do you hike on a water fast?
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No phone. Can I bring like a camera to record my experience?
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All of a sudden we're getting there and it's like on your forearm. Yeah, it's on my forearm. It's in my head. Like if I'm coming with you to Yosemite, the phone's staying home, but I am bringing a little camera just to remember our experience.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
But I don't know if for me, missing the gym would cause me... Well, I'm feeling that right now, low-key, because I injured myself playing hockey.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Oh, because you grew up in Colorado. Well, you didn't grow up in Colorado.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. I like it. Yeah. It was, it was really cool. Wow. And, um, it was beautiful. And I was like, I skied every day. It was really good for my mental health.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I didn't really advance to the chairlift until the last day, but my, uh, it's the instructors named Adrian. You would love him. He has a zip line course in Mallorca. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. No, he like owns it. So half the year he spends on his zip line course in Mallorca. And then the other half he spends in Courchevel, France. Wow. It's like, that sounds like a nice life.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. And he just skis, but he, I, he would have to ski backwards while I skied forward, holding onto him. Cause I would fall. That's kind of cute. It was really cute. We were best friends.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Well, 30s apparently are the new 20s, so I'll take it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
My tummy what's wrongs. Oh. This one's messy. Oh, boy. I need help. Oh, my God. I literally know what to prescribe. Sorry. I'm abroad right now, and I keep seeing my best friend and boyfriend back at home posting pictures really close to each other. There is a rumor that they are hooking up. What do I do? Well, you seem to think you had the remedy.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
There is a movie with Emma Roberts called Wild Child. Okay. And do you know? You should watch that movie. And in the movie... Her best, she goes abroad.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Hook up and cheat on her. So I think your boyfriend is cheating on you with your best friend.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
And I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news. But in this case, it will be. I think it's the truth.
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version for that person personally 100% so what you have to do is you have to get a friend that is a spy and you have to hire a PI dude and you have to get this friend oh that's so tough maybe follow your boyfriend's car one day or follow that girl's car if you do that you're gonna find what you're looking for
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
So maybe we have this as a call to action for the pussies. Maybe a little more context is necessary. Potentially, because there's a lot of... I think if you want to ask the pussies for more context, they'll give it to you.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Okay, cool. That wasn't like the PSA I was hoping for, but it was the PSA I got. Okay. Sorry. No, it's okay. My sister is 35 and dating a 22-year-old. It would be fine, but he is a freak. He is in love with playing disc golf and spits in a can 24-7. One time he overheard me talking about his hideous neon yellow jacket, and now it is awkward. I love this girl.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I've told her I don't like him, but she continues to bring him around all the time. What should I do? It's not your problem.
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But there's nothing you can do. Gossip is human nature. And you didn't like his hideous neon yellow jacket.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
If she did not like her neon jacket, it would be war. He's done. But she does not like his neon jacket. I don't think jackets are meant to be neon yellow unless it's a raincoat. That is definitely a loud color. It's a loud color and it's for raincoats. I actually bought a neon, not neon, a very bright yellow jacket because the main character in Dark.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I think it starts with a T. T, and what is, like, the vibe?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, but also that. And it finally rained the other day and I pranced around in my yellow rain jacket and I felt like Curious George. Nice. Yeah.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
So I'm pretty used to that. So when did you gain your autonomy back over picking out what you wore?
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Do you appreciate it now you think more than you would if you, like, always had the option? Like, do you have a special appreciation for picking out your clothes because there was a time period where you couldn't?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Well, you don't really remember life before it, do you?
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But like it happened pretty early on for me. Do you think you want to do this forever? Do you think you want to kind of aspire for some normalcy at some point in your life?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
But, uh, I, I'm, I, I'm very, um, I love the tension.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Like, like to my core, if I could eat it for dinner, like that's a fast.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most people do. I do. I love it. It's interesting. My, Best friend is a Capricorn and she like lives off attention as well.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. So do you, but like, do you ever miss it when you don't have it for a minute? Like when you're not touring? Or you're not putting out music or there's just like a moment of silence. So you're like, damn, I kind of miss the attention that comes with that.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
That's the feeling that I get. Well, I don't personally know what you mean no, but like I can see how that's probably the healthy way to think.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Help. I feel like I'm constantly putting more effort into my relationships and friendships and I don't know how to fix it. I can't just drop all my friends, but it's incredibly draining, and I'm just so over it. Have you ever been in a situation where you put more effort in?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, no, no, no, no, no. We just weren't working as friends. It was younger. I've had plenty of friendship breakups.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'll go to Yosemite, but you know what you need to do for me then? What? Real Housewives of New York. Okay.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
We'll binge watch it in the van. You need to sit with me and you need to watch, I want to say the entirety of, when is Jill and Bethany's breakup? Season three, right? You want me to watch three seasons without a TV? No, no, no, no, no, no. We can just start with... Oh, no. Or we can watch... You know what? You know what? We are going to watch Salt Lake City. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Salt Lake City, Atlanta, New York, New Jersey, Potomac, Beverly Hills.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I've seen most of them, yeah. I'm not in its entirety. There used to be Dallas. I think that was like one season. There was Dubai. There's Miami.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Housewives will change your life. I know you think, oh, this is so not me, but a lot of men love housewives. I can get down with a little bit of reality TV. No, no, no, no. You don't understand this. You watch Housewives? It's just, like, totally petty, huh? No, it is an examination of the human psyche. It's Marvel for gay people. It's literally, like, it will change every part of your being.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
If you guys can't tell just a little. So much so that Zach has asked me, hey, are you taking your meds? I don't know what's going on. So I'm thinking that I'm going to have a call with a new psychiatrist. Sometimes I just feel like with psychiatrists, It's like you're just, like, pushing drugs onto me. Like, you know in Mean Girls where Tina Fey's like, I'm a pusher.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like, I don't know how to describe how amazing this show is.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
There are these two best friends, Lisa and Meredith, right? Okay, and they are like, oh, well, actually, you know what? This isn't going to hook you. This will hook you. There is this woman named Jen Shaw, okay? This is, like, what really, really, like, I always watched Housewives as a kid. This really dove me in. She was committing fraud against the elderly.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
She gets arrested by the FBI on camera. They're filming. And she gets arrested in a raid on the sprinter van while they are filming.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
They have, like, hidden... Oh, because they... Oh! So, like, Jen Shah, she gets a call.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
And she's like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And then she leaves the Sprinter van. Five minutes later, an entire swarm of FBI agents show up. And they're like, where the fuck did Jen Shah go? And everyone's like, wait, she just left. And they're like, she's literally under arrest. And she is in jail now. Wow.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, fraud is no joke. And... But anyway... What I was going to say was the friendship breakup I was thinking about was Lisa and Meredith because there was a moment where Lisa forgot to take her mic off.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
You are missing out, Ross. Oh, my God. Like, seriously?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, that's not a red flag at all. That's actually probably a really good thing. I get that vibe from you.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Am I your friend? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You wouldn't say that about me, right? No, no, I would never say that about you, but I would say you were my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I got the two confused.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, no, no. outrageous it's outrageous right for sure but good tv now 100 we'll watch this paint this pains me to say but i've been dating the same guy for the past did we ever answer the last one oh um no what was it what was it oh it was her friends oh she puts too much effort in oh you gotta let them as mel robbins would say let them Let them go? No, like let them do their thing and, you know.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
And like, we'll come to you, we'll come to you. Stop over putting in time.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Oh, love that energy. This pains me to say, but I've been dating the same guy for the past five years, and he's not the best at showing affection to me.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Break up. And I've been feeling super weird about it. How do I tell my boyfriend I need more effort? I think you break up.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. I was gonna say that I also used to do A road trip when I was a kid from New York to L.A. every summer. Oof. Yeah. It was five nights, and sometimes we would do the drive from Colorado to L.A. in one shoot. Yeah, that's what we did. What is that, like 17 hours? Yeah, I made my dad do it once because I was like the fourth day, and I was like, if I am in this car another day, I'll spiral.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Really? I'm so excited for you. I've been infatuated. Never in love. I'm excited for myself too. I just, I don't know. As I said, I think God is like not yet, sweet cheeks.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I just think like, Louise, imagine me heartbroken. Oh no. I'm very dramatic.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Well, I think I think about worst case scenario. Okay. And like the second someone starts showing me affection, I'm like, goodbye.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yes. You're so wise. And we're back. What was that?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I think we're going to different clubs. I think you're going to cooler clubs than I'm going to.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, it's from Reputation, so 2017. See, I know what that record is.
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She is. She's like the best. That album is just life-changing.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
And then there was a Taylor album, and what else? Who else released last year? There was a million people that released. It was just, it was a great, great year for pop.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
But you should, if you ever feel like being messy, you should listen to Brat.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's such an album that if you're going all in, you're all in. And it's a mindset. The whole album, I think that's why it resonated so well. Because people committed to the mindset of Brat.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I don't remember the last time an album really shifted culture in a way that Brat did.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
albums i think do that but just on different levels yeah but i think for an album to really be successful it has to do that to some capacity right it's like beyonce self-titled when she did or lemonade when she did a visual album like that shifted culture in the sense that she surprise dropped it so that brought back a surprise that brought surprise drops people started releasing music on thursday nights as opposed to monday nights i'm pretty sure don't quote me and like she kind of
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I don't know. I think she, like, at the time of that Beyonce album, it was a lot of, like, she says this, like, single, single, single, single, single, and she kind of brought back the idea of, like, a real and true album. You listen to Bon Iver?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
Damn. So I made him drive 17 hours straight. What was the reason for the commute? My dad just didn't—I don't know. I think he thought it'd be bonding, and he didn't want to get a rental car in L.A., so he wanted to keep his car. He didn't want to ship it. Oh, you only did that one time? No, we did it four or five times. Damn. One time we did it with a dog. Have you ever done it with a dog? No.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
My boyfriend has this new job, and I'm really proud of him. He wanted it, and he deserves it. However, it's taking up a lot of time and headspace now, so much so as he forgot our anniversary this weekend. Best prescription. Like, I want him to be happy, but is that unacceptable? Yes, it's unacceptable. It reminds me of the Devil Wears Prada. Have you ever seen the Devil Wears Prada?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I have, yeah, yeah, but not in a long time. Do you remember when she forgets his birthday? Because she's at, like... Not the Met Gala, but she's at some very important thing with Meryl Streep, and... I think maybe a little slack can be cut the first time around.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I think if he's a loving and caring boyfriend all around, you can definitely cut some slack.
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But I think going forward, like, it's a priority. But I think, you know, when you're starting out a new job and it's hard, like, there is something to be said for working for yourself. Yeah. And, like, if that's the only issue you're having, then. I don't think it doesn't mean he doesn't love you. I just think it means he really cares about what he's doing right now.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
She's just like, I want him to be happy, but is that unacceptable? I don't think it's unacceptable that he missed it. I think it's an issue, but no relationship is clean of that.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
That's what I think about that. Interesting. And I prescribe the Devil Wears Prada. You should really watch it. Yeah, that's a good movie. I fell in love with a guy that made it clear he only wanted friends with benefits. He lives in another state and we talk all the time. He sends so many mixed signals one minute. Oh, he sends so many mixed signals.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
One minute he wants to be with me and the next we're just friends. Should I walk away now or get with him and hope something stems from that?
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I would prescribe probably No Strings Attached or Friends With Benefits, which actually, and I've said this during the last episode, came out during the same summer. You don't know what I'm talking about. No. It's okay. That's what I prescribe. Nice. Well, that was our last Tell Me What's Wrong. That's it? I mean, there's a few more, but I just didn't deal with them. Dang it.
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Session 61: Ross Lynch
I had one the other night. I was like really self-pitying myself after the bar one night. And... I was like, damn, I'm really playing victim right now.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
um reasonable response it's like when when when can you actually say well i am being treated unfairly poorly um i think when it like overtakes your life and you're just complaining about stuff that's fixable then that's a problem that's 100 that's what i do so i was in the car and i was like okay well i know that this victim mentality i have right now like when it's based on like oh that's not fair mm-hmm
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
That's a victim mentality. And like, that's what I was having the other night. I was like, that's not fair. And it's like, well, life isn't fair.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's brutal. And then one time we went to a hotel and there was bed bugs at the hotel and we had to leave at 2 in the morning. It's very hard to find a hotel in the middle of nowhere sometimes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. I think it's just about how you talk to yourself, how you talk to yourself for sure.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm so excited for summer. Are you excited for summer?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm excited for tour. I've never to tour in the summer. Sounds fun. And. I'm going to go to Europe for a little, and I'm going to go be messy. I have a wedding there.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I'm going to be in France in June. Okay. And then after my tour ends in July, I would like to go to Italy.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I learned that your loafers are also comfortable, even though they're very big on me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And they also don't look bad on me. I learned that I kind of look good in loafers.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying these loafers. I also learned that we're going to go to Yosemite.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And now I'm like every hotel I go to, I think there's bed bugs.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Honestly, you're going to love it. You're going to hate that you love it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. But then you're going to start like rationalizing with them.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like you're like, pick a side. Yes. Always. And you're going to start being like, well, Bethany should have done this, that, and the third. And like, you know, it's, you're going to love it. You're going to love it. Okay. Start with Salt Lake. Trust. Okay. And we also learned that. The pussy needs to give more context.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I really think that isn't something we can all work on.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
No, we would be here for the summer. Oh, okay, okay. So we would get a house and be here for the whole summer.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, I once got it. I think I've had some in the past.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. Well, Ross, thank you for coming on Therapist. Yeah, thanks for having me. You can listen to Ross's new album with his, he's half of the band The Driver Era with his brother. It's called Obsession. It's out April 11th. Yep. And He's back on tour in March. Yep. You can see him then. Yep.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah, it was really fun. I mean, road trips are fun, maybe just not five days. I had an iPod, so I enjoyed myself. Yeah, back in the iPod days. Yeah, and I would listen to a lot of Victorious. Nice. A lot of Lady Gaga, some Taylor Swift. Randomly, Kendrick Lamar was like 12. No way.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I thought all the early ones had the little like. Yeah, I think I'm lying. But I think it's like I had the one that was like a square.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. But I feel like album art has always been a part of everything, whether it's a CD or a vinyl.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Yeah. When's the last time that happened to you? It happens all the time, I feel like. It doesn't happen to me a lot. Really? But when it does happen, like, it hits so hard. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, do you know Blue the Tiger? The bass player?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
She has this song called You Say, and I heard it live once, and, like, that was the last time I really heard a song live, and I was like, that's amazing. Really? Yeah, and then I also heard the new Sabrina Carpenter deluxe tracks that I really liked those. You were about to say something.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like, that's, like, what these psychiatrists feel like to me. Like, I'll talk to them for five minutes and they'll be like, okay, so this is what I'm going to prescribe you. This, that, and the third. And I'm like, but you don't even fucking know me. Like, how are you going to give me all these meds? You don't know me. That is something wrong with the American pharmaceutical system.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I like having a good time too, but I guess... That does make sense for what alcohol entails. What's your drink of choice?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
Like, what are you like, okay, I'm on the verge of blacking out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I used to black out. There was a weird period of my life when I was in college that every time I drank, I could have one shot and I just wouldn't remember the night. Oh, damn. I think it burned a hole in my brain. Yikes. Body eating spirits. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. So wait, you're saying one shot. No, it was like three and I was done. Damn.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And I think it's actually incorrect. And I'm not afraid to say it. So... um okay I'm having fun with this though for sure uh what else is up with me if you guys are listening to this on Spotify or Apple um I have been uploading tour vlogs what we just did week one and it's really funny and it's I like it. So give it a watch whenever you get the chance, if you want to.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
But that's because, like, I think it must – it was just, like, something was wrong, and then I stopped drinking all of COVID because, like, what was the point? And then I came back, and I still continued to black out. And then eventually I just stopped. I had this one blackout that, like, ruined my life, and I was like, okay, I need to – Maybe, like, eat before or something?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I used to smoke every single day, morning to night, for the last five years. Whoa.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And I said, um, not on my watch. And so I stopped smoking weed. Okay. Wow. Five years straight though. That's pretty. It was my everything.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
I feel like that's just in your head. I also agree with you now, but if you asked me that three months ago, I wouldn't have agreed with you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
It's definitely addictive. For the first week after I quit, I was, like, itching. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 61: Ross Lynch
And I was like, this isn't right. And, like, now when I get really, really stressed out, all I want to do is smoke weed. And that feels like addiction. But I still haven't smoked because all I have to do when I think I want to smoke is look at an old photo of myself. Oh, whoa. Yeah. Well, how long has it been? Three months. Oh, nice. It was just, like, my face was so puffy. Mm-hmm.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Hi, pussies! Welcome back to Therapist. This is the first time I've ever recorded... an intro away from home, I think, right? I think this is the first time I've ever done it, but we are on the bus. We are on tour. We've done Dallas and we've done Baton Rouge. Tonight is New Orleans. It's Mardi Gras. I am so happy to be here. I'm so excited.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I want. Relationship. I want. Yeah, I would like a boyfriend.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I don't know. I don't I don't know what I would like it to make me feel confident.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And I would like it to give me more life experience stories.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like I want to be able to like lay down with someone and watch TV, but also like feel romantic with them.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I feel my main issue with dating is I am so insecure. Like I don't know how I'm going to share. I feel like when you're in a relationship, you like share your body with someone almost like you have to like be so vulnerable. And I struggle so much with like. To be frank, like being like naked with someone.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Sometimes I love it. Yes. Like sometimes – like yesterday I woke up and I felt so good and then today I just don't feel good. And it's like I don't know how I'm going to be able to share that with someone ever.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yes. I would say that's a huge, huge reason because it's how I carry myself. I don't give off that like I want to take off my clothes and be with someone.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Someone made a comment when I was in fourth or fifth grade and it really stuck with me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I was wearing a rascard, I think. Yeah, it was horrible. And then I... I don't know. And then I really lived my life on the internet for my entire life. I spent my entire life on the internet. So I was a Tumblr kid. I was, what does a Tumblr kid mean? Like I, so like I was really, you know, so it's Tumblr is a website.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
So like I'm seeing Tumblr's, All about Tumblr is all about the aesthetic. It's very aesthetically pleasing. I was also introduced, and I have, my parents, I love them for this, let me watch whatever I wanted to at a young age. Okay. So I was watching any movie I wanted to, any, it's part of why I'm so creative and so into this space now. But I was seeing, like I was introduced to what sex is. Yes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Based on like a multi-million dollar movie. So those men are ripped.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
So that's what I'm thinking like a normal person looks like. And then also in the gay scene, it's very, very, very body focused. Yes. So I'm short and I don't have a six pack. So it's like I don't have either of them. Okay. And when you're in the gay scene, you're kind of forced into certain roles. Uh-huh. And I don't really know. I always felt like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
my body was weird and watching people on TV, I still felt like it was weird. And then because of that, like I then had a weird relationship with food and I'm like, do like, okay, I like, I was remaining in the kitchen. So like, I'm just going to eat a lot less. And then I eat like, and then I end up binging.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And I just like, I just have a horror at the end of the day, I just have a horrible relationship with my body. And I don't know how to feel good. And then like right when I feel good about it, like something happens where I'm like, oh, no, I don't feel good about it anymore.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yeah, it's just hard because so much of my comedy is so self-deprecating. So, like, my whole bit is, like, making fun of myself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And then – but I, like, I believe it, you know? Like, I buy into that. So it's – I don't know how to separate the two. Like, what my job and my persona and what I do to make people laugh is me. Uh-huh. I don't know how to separate the two.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
That I feel sexy and I feel attractive and I feel like I feel hot. I feel attractive. I feel like powerful. Oh, I love that. I can get what I want.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I'm a really confident guy, but I do not like how I feel about my body and I don't like how I feel about how I look on the outside.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Um, I have, I like, like I'll look in the mirror and I'll like take my sides and I'll like pull them back like this.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like I would like to pull my duct tape there. No, but I will. And I would like to like just shave my sides off. Um, I like have a bigger like bosom area. So I would like that to be flatter. Um, I've been working out my arms a lot. Great. And, um, but it's not toned. It's more just like bigger. I'd like to shrink it. I don't like my chin. I feel like I have kind of like a double chin.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I feel like I have a bump in my nose, but that's like kind of the least of it. And then I really might, at the end of the day, I hate how short I am. Okay. I hate how short I am.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like, no, because then I would feel not – I don't want to wear heels. I just want to be taller. Okay. I want to be, like, 5'7". That would have been great.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I think just the way I really and truly like I think more guys would want me if I was taller. At the end of the day, what I think.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I think sometimes I feel like I'm speaking into a void. I don't know why I never thought that someone was like actively being like, I am so excited to listen to this and I'm going to, actively press this and listen to this, I, it's when you don't, it's okay. I think it's because I started on TikTok and TikTok is very fast and very hard. Yep. So it's kind of like, like love bombing. What?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I just feel unhappy. I base all my happiness and like other things that happen to me. I am not happy. Like when I go to bed, like I don't feel happy in my body. I don't feel happy in myself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. Never. Yeah. That's just not what I... Like, your waist is too big. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like my, exactly, exactly like my microphone, but everything happens really very, very quick and TikTok, you know, within like five minutes of your videos working or not. And like how many people are liking it and like, yes. Oh my God. That is so cool. That really just like changed my whole perspective on this. Honestly, I'm not even just kidding.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
My entire life from morning to night is, I'm so, you could describe me as one thing. It's in my head.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I like now feel like there is like one person right there that's listening. Yeah. It helps you visualize.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I can get on people's shoulders during music festivals. Great.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Skiing's easier for me. Yeah. Because I'm closer to the ground.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
That too. I look different. So like people can call me out easier and I'm more like jarring to the eye. So like.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Oh. Recognizable. Yes. Yes. Yes. And so like people, I can be more of a personality because I look different.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. I used to have this bit in my show. Um, Where I wore this outfit to this award show once and my bosom was out and about. And I like basically go through everything people said about me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Because I thought I believed it was true. And that's why it was funny. Because it's true.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
No, see, it looked worse than it was. And I actually give credit to my ski instructor who was filming it, who's the best. Shout out, Adrian. And it looked, he cut it. The video was just perfectly timed. I fell, and he cut it immediately, so it all seemed very fast. Wasn't that bad though.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I think it's really hard for me because I actually discovered this on TikTok, but like a symptom of OCD is like thinking you're a bad person and you have bad intentions. So I sometimes really convince myself I'm a bad person. Like I feel like I don't know myself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And so when someone says, that's why I always say I don't really mind when someone said, like I have very thick skin when it comes to like, I say I have thick skin.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
But I think I'm very good at deflecting comments about my appearance. So when I get a comment about my appearance, I can deflect it quickly into a joke or I can I can change it and like make it funny and get something else out of it. Yes. When someone comments about my intentions and my character, I really take it to heart and I really feel like a bad person.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Thank you. And I actually found, do you ski? Yes. For me, it was because I don't drive. Why don't you drive? Okay. So I grew up in, I grew up in New York. Right. So it was never, it was never needed.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
That I need to let people form their own opinions of me and not base my behavior and how I think their opinions are going to be formed based on what I do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And then I moved to LA and then my dad just like, he coddles me and he's like, you cannot drive the car. And like, he's like, you will crash. And I'm like, I know I will crash. I don't think I can accept the responsibility.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. I feel responsible sometimes. I know what you – like now I'm like – like I feel like if my actions make someone feel a certain way. Uh-huh. I'm responsible for how they feel.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I'm the biggest venter. Like I talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. Until like the words are like nails on a chalkboard.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I get really homesick, but seeing you guys makes it so much better. I just like every place. I really love the South. I'm discovering I really, really love the South. Connor's with us. He's the best. He's so funny. I love watching him on stage. Today we have Mel Robbins on the podcast. I tried to be as open and honest as possible.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yes, I think I do. But I'm so accustomed to not driving now. I can't imagine driving.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
It's just hard because in LA, you're at the mercy of drivers. As in New York, you're at the mercy of yourself because you can take public transportation easy. You can walk everywhere. But is it an anxiety thing? It must be. Okay. I think I really cannot picture myself driving. I cannot. I get so distracted so easily. Everything distracts me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
This episode of Therapist is brought to you by Booking.com. Booking dot yeah! So we have been using Booking.com non-stop to book all of the hotels and all of our travel for tour. I totally forgot how stressful booking travel was until you are in a group of 10 people and we all need a place to stay and we are all incredibly last-minute people, especially Matt, who I love dearly.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Booking.com makes it easy to book travel because it shows you exactly what you are looking for. You can set criteria if you want a pool. You want a hot tub, you want a balcony. And that's specifically very important for me and my team on tour because most of the time are in cities we've never been in before.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
So it's, we really rely on booking.com to book the best hotels or wherever meets all of our needs the most. For example, today we literally woke up in New Orleans and Matt was like, oh my God, I forgot to book the hotel and we had nowhere to stay. And so we went on booking.com and
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
We found a hotel literally across the street from the venue with all of the requirements we needed and we booked that immediately. And it was just so simple and so easy and it took all the stress away from travel, which is something that I really appreciate as someone who is really stressed out all the time, especially during travel.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Some hobbies I enjoy doing... are complaining, going on my phone and doom scrolling, cooking. I love cooking. I love working out. I love watching TV. So if I could find someone that loves going on their phone in silence with me, that would be ideal for me. And honestly, I think you can make anything out to be a hobby. It's just, I feel like the definition of a hobby is just
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
My brain moves at like 100 miles a minute. I can see that. If I'm driving, I don't know how I would – I don't think it would be safe for other people. Wow. And myself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
My brain moves at the speed of – I don't even know. It just jumps and jumps and jumps and jumps and jumps.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
You know, it's funny you say that because I was talking to my dad about like an old therapist I went to, and he was telling me that that therapist – said that about me when I was like five. So I guess it has always been that way.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
It's because, like, when I pick someone, I'm like, okay, like, that is... Like, I'm talking... I was thinking about this... I was honestly thinking about this guy I was talking to.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And he... I thought he didn't respond to me, but it turns out I didn't respond to him. So I reached out the other day and we were talking and he was being lovely and we were having a great conversation and he, he was on a plane somewhere and he said he was going to watch this movie and he was like, and then I was like, I'll watch it too.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And then, so I've been trying to watch it and then I was like, I'm going to text him when I finished the movie. But then I was like, should he have tech? Like, is it, Should I text him that I finished the movie or should I let him text me that he finished the movie? Or does he not care? That's what I was thinking about.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I was questioning... Well, I didn't finish the movie yet. So there's that. There's that. But I was questioning, like, why didn't he text me that he finished the movie? Because I know he finished the movie because he was on a plane. How do you not finish a movie on a plane? You know what I mean? Let him. Okay.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Do you want it to change? I think so. I think it would make me more grateful if it changed. Like, I think I would be able to like live in the moment more.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Cause like life moves so fast for me, but so slow at the same time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yeah, or I'll text him. I'm having a really hard time getting through this movie. I'm sorry I recommended it to you. It kind of sucks. Yes. Did you end up finishing it?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like, I feel like I blink and I'm like, how did I end up here? Like I've known Louise now for, almost three years. It feels like I just met her yesterday. And I can't remember a time in between that, that I like looked around and I was like, took in the view. So everything moved really fast. But then in the moment, all I'm thinking about, like all I'm thinking about is the next thing.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yeah, that is true. I was like, you should watch this. I heard it's amazing.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yeah, they are. Because I'm not going to think about my height.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yes. If that person chooses me, that means I am like on par with that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I feel like that is so true to me. I'm always wondering how I'm going to look with another person and how they like what I'm going to be like with them like on Instagram, just transparently. And yeah, I do think that. All the time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And then I can't appreciate that. the present, but it also moves so fast at the same time. I don't know how to, if I'm describing that.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
That there are certain things I need to do. Like I need to actually practice in order to feel better about myself and how I live life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like I can't just like be complacent in my, how I like feel all the time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I think that's actually what I did. Yes. In terms of like, I remember like my senior year, I just started posting and posting, but I just didn't care because I thought it was funny. As long as I was making someone laugh, like I didn't really care. And then it ended up lucky, luckily becoming a business.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I, Matt, my tour manager is here. I'm really, really happy he's here.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I thought they were supposed to be like the best, though.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Yeah, I don't have many. Like I do. I remember things. Yes. But like not like, yeah, I don't have many.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Louise was like, you have to, if she's coming on, you have to be honest. So I was just, I let it all rip. And, you know, she's the author of The Lepton Theory, hosted one of the number one podcasts in the world. She's incredible. I'm really, really excited for you guys to hear from her, if you haven't already, which I'm sure you have. I love you, pussies.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Can I do the exercise right now? Okay. Can I just like name a time?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Okay. I was really, really, really happy when I woke up. I went on tour in the fall. I'd never done it before. And I didn't think people were going to buy tickets on the pre-sale.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
so uh materialistic but i just i did i really didn't and i got a text that it all sold out and i and i wasn't expecting it and i was really happy okay and what was your day-to-day life like i was having a lot of fun it was during summer and i was just living my life okay but like tell me more like where what time would you get up like who are you hanging out with like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
You were traveling? And I was working. Okay. I was going to a lot of events. I was working the whole summer. Okay. I was showing up to places. I was really putting myself out there.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I was saying yes to things. Saying yes to things. I was saying yes to things. Okay. I remember it was right after this like weekend, so happy.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like literally the best weekend of my life. Okay. What happened? I went to, uh, my friend was, my friend is a DJ. He was performing in Las Vegas. Come to Las Vegas. Let's do this. I always say no. I always say no. Not to him, just in general to stuff like that. I'm always like, I don't, I'd rather just stay here. And Peyton was like, she was like, you, we're, we're going. we need to go. I do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
We need this for me. Like I need to go. And then my friend Ashton too was like, let's go. So we went and, um, then we flew from Vegas to the Hamptons. We like, I was living my gossip girl dream. I flew from Vegas to the end. Like that is something, if you told me I did that as a kid, I couldn't even imagine that that's real. And I literally just had like I felt so on top of the world.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like I felt like I could do anything. I was, I felt like the coolest person in the world.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Wow. You have your own formula. Yeah. you know what to do.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
So it's not about like the extra, the outside stuff. It's like what you are actually doing. Yes. Like you're dancing. You're saying yes. You're waking up early. You're working out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
So funny you say that because I feel like, or I've always told myself that if I become successful and people want more of me, That will make me feel good. I'll become more successful and I'll get the hot guy because he will want my life and want what I have. But that's such a bad way to think.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Period. You ready for the tell me what's wrongs? Yes. I'm currently in art school and there's so many personal projects I want to do to add to my portfolio so I can actually get a job. Every week I tell myself that I'm going to work on my projects, but I always end up getting sidetracked and doing something else like decorating my room, meaningless chores, et cetera.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
It makes me feel awful, but it's not like I'm not motivated to do them. I just put it last in my priorities.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Do you have advice for that? My advice would be to just like force yourself to do it one day. And then like that starts a pattern. It's kind of like what I did with working out. Like I always put it last in my priorities, priorities. And once you just like force yourself to go, like you end up, it becomes natural. Like I used to smoke a lot of weed every single day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I would smoke weed like morning to the night. Um, And then I quit and then I really missed it the first week. Second week, I missed it a little less. Third week, I missed it. Now I don't even really think about it. So like when this person – the same goes for starting a project. So like you start it the first week. It might be hard to like keep yourself on doing it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Second week is a little less hard and then it just becomes second nature. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. Right. Yeah. Just 15 minutes. That's it. And then you might even want to spend more time doing it. All right. Yeah. There we go. There we go. What? A prescription? That. That. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I recently have found out that my boyfriend's family is very wealthy. It all hit me when plans started to form for our vacation that we are going on next week. What's wrong? I'm a small town girl and I feel worried I'm not going to fit in with their vibe. How do I cosplay?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And like if they're not going to think of you in a certain regard because of your wealth, then why would you even want to be with them?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. It's like how a guy treats you in front of his friends.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I ghosted my best friend of 10 years. We live a few hours away from each other now and she basically randomly called me one day just judging my entire life and made me feel like shit. It was completely out of nowhere. It's been two years and I still don't know if ghosting her was the right move.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And it's never too late to clean up something. Yeah. It's still on the floor. Oh.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Clip that. It's true. Just because you don't clean it up doesn't mean it's going to magically disappear.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I dated a girl for three years with a super unique name. We broke up a year ago. And I think this girl in my philosophy class is really cute. She happens to have the same exact name as my ex. I can't tell if the name thing is part of my crush on her. Or if I actually really like her. Am I psychologically fucked? Let me know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I just found out my boyfriend went to the strip club last night with his frat brothers. Do I go total ape shit or try to be cool? He also will never take me out to a nice dinner. So I don't know where he's getting the money.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. It sounds like he told her... No, it doesn't sound like he lied to her.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Let him. Right. You don't think that's cheating at all?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
That he never spends his money on her. Okay. That's what she's saying. She's like, how does he spend this money on the strip club but not on me?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Well, yeah. I don't know what to describe besides once again, that. My sister is really pretty, and everyone is always telling me that she is super hot. How do I not compare myself to her? This is my daughter's.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Oh, I see what you mean. You're not playing against someone in a card game. You can share cards and look at their.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
And you know what? I think that's a beautiful place to end. Mel, thank you so much for coming on Therapist. Thank you. I had a lovely, lovely time with you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
She told me before this started, you have to be honest.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I can't wait to give you another tour update. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapus. Today, I don't think I've ever had so many people be so excited about a guest before in my entire life. Today, we have New York Times bestselling author, author of The Let Them Theory, host of the number one podcast in the world, the Mel Robbins podcast, Mel Robbins.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Like the worst case scenario, because I have very bad OCD as well, like in terms of like...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
Right. That's what I'm thinking. That's why your let them theory resonated so well with me because it was like you cannot control anything. All I want you to do is control everything because I'm so scared of something bad happening. Okay. I'm so scared of something bad happening.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
my, I have this like fear ever since I was a kid, like of getting in trouble. So like now with, um, what I do, I, I'm very scared of saying the wrong thing and then having everything taken away from me. And then what do I do? I have nothing. So like, that's like, you know, that's what I think about. I'm scared of losing everything.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I don't know. Like, I don't know where I would go. I don't know. Cause you in like, I'm the type of person who I make really real relationships with everyone, even the people I work with. So it's like if you lose everything and then those people that you work with and they're not there anymore, if you lose everything, then what happens? What do you have?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
I'm so scared of Jake saying that. Like that's what I'm so scared of. Like I'm so superstitious. Like if it all works out and then I'm like, oh my God, well, if I just said that, is it not going to work out?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 60: Mel Robbins
What were we just talking about? Oh, I was telling you how your podcast feels like, and I have a very short attention span. I have a very hard time listening to things. I have a very hard time reading. But I was listening to your podcast the other day. It was so easy to listen to.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Happy Valentine's Day. Sorry, I am so cold. It is very cold and rainy in Los Angeles, but, you know, we need the rain. It's a good thing, so thank God. I am once again single this Valentine's Day. I've never experienced a Valentine's Day taken, but Peyton and I are going to go out to dinner with the kids, so we're really excited.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I get more scared of, tell me if you feel the same way. Like when you were anxious, were you more scared that like how it was going to be received or like if people were going to care, like I get really anxious that people aren't going to care about the stuff I put out.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I just, there's something like as someone, you grew up on the internet. Of course. As someone who grew up on the internet, something about it today, it feels like it's a lot more like, like it's like they're, like stabbing you, but like kind of nicely. Like, do you know what I mean? It's a lot like being really mean is normalized under the guise that like you're morally correct about something.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
First of all, I also will say that feeling when it hits a different algorithm, I always find to be, it never stings for me. Cause I know that it's a different, I know that that's not who I'm, I don't care. You know, like I'm not, I don't like, like I'm not like, that's not the audience I'm trying to reach. That's not my audience. And I know what I'm doing. It's not going to resonate with them.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
When it stings the most for me is when someone who I want to reach is kind of like, is like, fuck this. You know what I mean? I'm like, ugh, I don't know. The internet's a, it's a really, really tough place.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
MySpace. I was never on MySpace, but Tumblr was my shit.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
No, you can do it. How, like, I – Fun fact, the guy who created Tumblr went to my high school. What? Yeah. That's really cool. Super random, honestly. Rag. His mom, I think, was like the science teacher. I don't really know. But I had a Hunger Games themed Tumblr. Do you remember your Tumblr name?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That's like when I was like, I'm just a really, really big fan of Justin Bieber. I just want to marry him because I love his music. That's what I used to say in fourth grade.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Oh, I had my birthday party in, I think it was fifth or sixth grade. It was Justin Bieber themed. I was a really big, really big believer.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Nothing. I just wanted to say hi. You're on Therapus.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Like I'm 30 years old. Twilight had a really cool aesthetic going on.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It was so ahead of its time. Not me talking about Twilight again. Well, no, it's the reason that the Hunger Games exists. It's the reason that the Maze Runner, like, Divergent, it's the reason, I mean, like, I feel like people, I wonder if, like, younger people today, like, remember that insane surge of, like, YA fantasy games.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And he's like so authentic to who he is. Yeah. So you can tell when someone just like works hard and he like really like That generation of TikTok had so much outside noise because it was such a new thing. Totally. It was kind of like when YouTube happened or reality television first came about or whenever there's something new, there's always pushback.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And I feel like TikTok kind of was the space for unlimited pushback. And he's someone that just didn't really – I don't think it affected him at all. He's like, I'm going to do my thing. And if you like it, you like it. If you don't.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yeah. Uh, I don't think we've ever met. She follows me. We fought, we've DM like once and like, I think texted once and then like, I like, that's it. Like, uh,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
What is, quickly, what did you, since you said you profiled Gracie early on in GQ, is there something you noticed different from GQ to now in her?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That laugh was harder than it should have been. Legit.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's just so, there's no one better. Like anyone else, you bring such a distinct voice to everything you touch. Thank you. It's true. It really is true. And there's no one better than, To take on Cosmo and change it and shape it for how the world we're in now. Thank you. That's so sweet. It's true.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's amazing. And you're like excited to go to work every day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yeah. It depends what I'm doing. Every day is different. Like today I was so excited because we're hanging out. Some days I'm, some days I'm like, you know, I actually don't think I've ever really dreaded something. Is that true? Sorry, I just lied. I dread everything. But I, there's like, the days I'm like most excited is like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I think one of the most excited I ever was, I finished tour and the day, did I do role model the day I got back? I've never been more excited for anything because we had already done it once before and I was so excited to talk to him again. I couldn't wait. And, like, that was one of the times I was most excited. Dreading was... Love Tucker. Fanfic. We need it. I know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
What are you watching right now? I always love to ask. Are you watching any of the Oscar noms?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
No, I mean, I spent an entire season prescribing girls every single episode.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's so everything. Like it's seriously like that show changed everything. My life.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I feel the same exact way. I'm so excited for her show.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Hacks is the best show I have seen in recent, like I had my girls moment and then I had my hacks moment. Cause the end of season three where Hannah, it like says that to Jean smart, it was worse. Like I would, wouldn't you? She's like, so kind.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Okay. I tried to get into traders, but I, whoa, you're not into traders. I know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Do I have time to catch up? How many episodes? I feel like there's like 10 already out. It's like two.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
You've got to watch Housewives if you love traitors.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
So, once again, tickets for my tour are on sale at PassThatPuss.com. I'm So, so excited to get back on the road. Yeah, I can't fucking wait. It's going to be amazing. I think that I was at my happiest when I was on tour, meeting everyone and hanging out and making people laugh in person and just my favorite thing in the world. So I'm really, really, really excited.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Wait, no. Obviously, I'm like, wait, hello. Tell me everything.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Severance is so sick. Really? I remember watching that in real time when it came out. Like, and then... It's just so good. It's so good. Because it's, like, I love a show that's, like, Black Mirror-esque.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
No, because, like, you're never going to be in a severed workplace. Okay, that's true. You know what I mean? So it's, like, unrealistic. It's, like, you're never going to sign up to do that. Actually, that's what makes me feel less anxious about that show is that you have to sign up to do that. So it's not, like, you're forced to be severed. It's just... Have you seen any of the Oscar noms?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I saw her Colbert performance, which was just mind blowing. I couldn't catch any of the Grammys because I was in the air. Like I was on a plane for, I, Oh, this is the second time I've said I was in the air, which is so weird. I said it this morning too. I was on a plane and then I landed. Jake Shane was flying. Yeah, I was fine. I landed and I turned on the Grammys cause I finally got service.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And, um, Oh my God. Also the scariest thing happened to me. We were, you know, about all these like plane crashes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Okay. Well, so I had a moment I was flying and I was like chilling the whole flight. And then all of a sudden, has this ever happened to you before? It's never happened to me. They were like, you need to turn off your phone. And I was like, well, it's on airplane mode. And they're like, no, no, no. You need to turn it off. And I was like, what?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And they're like, we're going through a really, we were about to land. And they're like, you're going through, we're going through a really foggy area. You need to turn it off. And I was like, okay. So that's it for me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I get on my red eye. I take two Benadryl and two melatonin. And I pass out. It's like the closest thing I can get to Xanax without actually taking a Xanax.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
For Valentine's Day, we have a Valentine's Day therapist special with the coolest person in the world, as I like to say, the editor-in-chief of Cosmopolitan and Seventeen magazine, Willa Bennett, former editor-in-chief of Heisnobiety. She is seriously, like, I just feel so uncool around her. But then I also at the same time feel cool by association.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And then I pass out. I wake up. And then I sleep until noon. Because I usually land in New York. Because it's always to New York. And I land in New York at like 7, 6, or 8. And then I'll sleep until noon and then get to start all my day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yeah, I know what you mean. I try to like just lay in bed and fall asleep and then I'll wake up at like 12. That's like my routine. I'm like, I have to lay down and I have to sleep.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
You know what? I was a lot better than I think people would guess. I was a lot better. I'll tell you why though. When you're touring and you're the artist, that entire day revolves around you. Everything revolves around you. So everyone's concern is making sure that the show goes on. Am I wrong? What is so funny? No, you're not. Jake is the center of the universe. I love it. Tell me more.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
So when you wake up and you're like, it's Jake day every day. Like it's not easy to, I mean, it's easy to get out of bed. You're like, what do I want to do? What do I want for lunch? What do I like? Like, what do I like? I, it's easy for me. I'm like, I will say there's been times where I have gotten no fucking sleep, but you learn. So like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I started taking an Advil PM right after I got off the stage because sometimes I'm just so revved up that I can't go to bed.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That's how I felt when, like, my tickets went on sale. I was, like, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing or, like, Honestly, this sounds so lame, but, like, when a TikTok does well, like, I'm, like, I can't stop. It's very addicting. Like, scrolling, scrolling, comments, comments, comments. Or, like, the post, like, yes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's when you're putting something out that you, like, think is, like, your own work.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That's like what I really, really appreciate because like as a kid, I like never thought – people don't understand what OCD is. Yeah. And so like when people tell me that I've made them feel better about that, like that always makes me feel really, really good.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
She's just so smart and she's so talented and I'm so excited for you guys to get to know her. She recently just put out her first issue with Cosmopolitan. Macaulay Culkin and Brenda Song are the cover stars. It's Seriously incredible. It's like a new era for Cosmo. It's so cool. I just, I'm so excited for you guys to get to know her more. If you don't already, she's awesome. Happy Valentine's Day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Um, I think people think it's, like, a neat disease, and, like, it's actually, like, so not that at all.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Like, I don't even think that, like, it could be a neat disease, but, like, the actual basis of OCD is just, like, thoughts that happen again and again and again and again and again, and, like, you have these thoughts, and, like, uh, like, you feel, like, the need to do them, like, you're obsessive compulsive disorder, like, you're obsessive over it, so, like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I have thoughts and, like, if I don't do it, something bad will happen. Because, like, it just, it takes your anxiety and it, like, think, okay, for me, it, like, takes what I'm anxious about and then, like, twists it and is, like, you actually have, you can control this if you just listen to me and do what I say. So, like, that's what OCD is for me. And it's, like, different for a lot of people.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
But, like, growing up, like, that, it's very underrepresented. Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's kind of random. But, like, I just, like, it popped into my head mid-conversation, and then I was like, I really want to ask this. What is the toughest writer's block you've ever had?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I don't write enough to have writer's block. I don't. I don't write enough to have writer's block. I'm trying to think because like that high snob piece came like I already like wrote half of it and then it came like so naturally to me. Probably, honestly, it's probably when I'm writing my monologue for my show.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That's been really, really hard for me, and we're doing it right now.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
It's like, oh, I have to do it by this date? Oh, we're getting it done.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
No, really? I feel like people ride for this fucking album.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
God, I wish I thought more about tour. Like my thing is like, I kind of just get my, well, it's tour is so based on the audience in that moment.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Especially with comedy. So when you're like singing and you're performing, yes, it's based in the audience, but the audience knows we are coming here and we are going to hear these songs.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
When you're trying to make people laugh, every audience is different because every audience is from a different place and every different place has a different sense of humor because every place is a different environment. So you have to mold every single time you're talking to people what you kind of just, it's such a quick thing. In that moment, you have to be like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I love you pussies more than anything. Enjoy the episode. Hi pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. If you're noticed, shit. Sorry. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. If you're noticing, I'm looking a little extra fashionable today.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
This isn't working and you have to quickly pivot or like they're not getting this. I'm going to go through this really quickly and then do this instead. I don't know.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yeah, that's fun because it's like we're hanging out. That's what I love most. My favorite part about tour is when I'll do the tell me what's wrong. And that's my crowd work section. So we'll do a lot of crowd work and it's so fun.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
so yeah I think I've seen this on TikTok they'll be like this is going on my life and you'll just like respond to that it's so cool yes and you learn a lot you learn how to respond like crowd work is such an art like you have to like you have to it's like a whole to do it's not like that much it's hard no it's hard It's hard.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yes. Like just what you were telling me about that episode, which I loved. And people don't tell me about it that much, but I love that episode.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Right. So did I. I learned a lot about like her. It made when I ended up listening to Brat for the first time, being able to hear about it before. So I knew what the vision was before it came out. And so did everyone else that listened. And seeing that vision realized so like perfectly was like what really made the episode for me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Yes. I heard, I think she had released, she had released 360 and she had released Von Dutch.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
I think she had released the Von Dutch remix. Yeah, she had. And I think that was it. I don't think she had released anything else. And Brad, and she was sitting where you were sitting and she was talking about how Brad was
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
really direct and bitchy and vulnerable and um and i i and then she and then she was talking about i think about it all the time and she was talking about what it was about and it was about wanting to have a baby but thinking about if it's not the right time and then you play the album and it's She's right. It's so direct. There's no masking in what she's talking about.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
She's literally like on the song being like, I'm thinking about having another baby. And it's like, oh, the way she describes her work is so what it was, what it is, that it made it so much more enjoyable to listen to. I don't know. I ride for that album hard.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
That's because we have my dear, dear friend, current editor-in-chief of Cosmopolitan and Seventeen and former editor-in-chief of High Snobiety, the one, the only Willa Bennett. Hi, Jake. I think you're the coolest person in the world.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
What are some of your favorite albums of all time? I love that question.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Um, yeah, that was, that was a moment. Sour was a moment in fucking time.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
Okay. So I think for no brat. Okay. So the reason why it was such a moment is because in my mind is because like when you're like, when you're listening to brat, you're locking into what brat is and you're locking into that,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
mindset like that brat mindset and i was so ready to be in that mindset of like let's party and do drugs and say whatever i want and do whatever i want and kind of let loose and i feel like if you're not in that like you have to be in that certain position to really appreciate it
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
So I'll, I'll send you a few songs that I think you'll like. So on her remix album for brat, which is excellent. Japanese house song. Incredible. Yes. Incredible. Incredible. Have you heard that? Everything is romantic remix with Caroline. Yes. Incredible. Okay. So my favorite part. Okay. You get it. Everything is romantic. Remix is that the first, everything is romantic.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
And this is what makes both albums so good. Like, by the way, when I was doing my meet and greets for my tour, I would play the brat remix album, start to finish. Um, which I just, I could go on about forever. I love that. But the Everything is Romantic remix, the first Everything is Romantic is like this like ode to like loving life and being in Capri and like whatever.
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And then the second Everything is Romantic is about how everything for her is going so well, but she doesn't feel good. And Caroline Polachek is like there to remind her that it's not just the grand, the grand, what's the word? Grandoise, grandose, grandiose things in life that are romantic, but it's the smaller things in life that are romantic too. I love that. Is what I think.
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And like, but it's a sad song as well. It's, it's sad.
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Yeah. Which is cool. Yeah, she is really, she's, like, one with the gays.
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No, she's the least... She's the most gay straight person.
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Like, she's so for the gays, but she's so straight.
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Thank you. You are so cool. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Like, I didn't want to call it out. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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She writes some of my favorite lyrics of all time.
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She's a true artist. She has this one line. I know the end and she talks it out. She's like, I romanticize a quiet life. There's no place like my room. So good.
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And she's, that's actually in reference, I'm pretty sure, because I watched her Genius interview, it's in reference to being on tour, and all she can think about is wanting to go back to her room, I think, but then when she actually goes back, it's not, she's romanticized it, so it's not, it's one of my favorite lines.
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she had this one line in this boy genius album yes i love boy genius love boy genius and cool about it and she says i think it's her that sings it she says i took your medication uh to know what it's like and now i have to pretend like i can't read your mind oh my god which is so like my favorite thing she's ever written and she talks about and then she's like and i walk down i walk the street with you and i practice method acting like to pretend that i don't know what you're thinking but i know everything you're thinking
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I was like blown away. I need to get into Alligator Bites Never Heal. I haven't gotten into the album yet. I've gotten into a few songs, but I know she wrote that album in like three weeks.
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No, no, no. But we were Instagram friends like a week before that.
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Yeah, when I interviewed her at the VMAs, she was like, I wrote that album in three weeks. Wow.
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Yeah, she was like, I wrote it in three weeks. And that was before she was like really having her moment.
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Oh, and I just, I love that. I just love her. I really want to see her live. Should we get into the Tell Me What's Wrongs? Yes! Can we call someone? Yes. This is what you have been excited for. I've never had someone so excited for the Tell Me What's Wrongs, and I love it. Okay, I need advice from my friend. He's gay, 24 years old, and went on a date with a 72-year-old who was my mom's OBGYN.
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And we were like waving at each other. And then like, I thought you were cool. And then Louise was like, holy fucking shit. Do you know you're on Willa Bennett's story? And I was like, wait, that's what my Instagram, my new Instagram friend. She was like, no, you actually don't understand. You're on Willa Bennett's Instagram story.
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The date went good, but I mean, he's old as my grandfather, and now he is sending flowers to his work, messaging him, et cetera. Does he ghost or turn him down easily? What do I say? Help.
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Of course. You will only have a few years with him anyway.
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I would say like a cap is like maybe 50 something. Yeah.
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I've never had a boyfriend, but the oldest person I've ever hooked up with, probably mid-40s.
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Well, I was like 20 or 19. Oh my God, I was 19. How is that? Horrible.
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I don't know why I'm like, you should date a 50-year-old. You shouldn't. Hi, Jake. So I just got out of a three-year-long relationship with my boyfriend. Now all of these guys are hitting me up, including one of my twin brother's best friends. He keeps complimenting me and asking me out. Is that something I should bring up to my brother? What is going on?
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I would bring it up to my brother, but I wouldn't let what my brother says sway how I behave with this person. If you feel chemistry and it's there, then...
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I feel like the brother is going to get mad at the twin brother for flirting and not going to him for the twin brother. It's messy. Yeah. Life is messy.
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You know who I have my finger on the pulse on? Speaking of messy, Lola Young. I love her. I love her.
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Like I would love. I'm on the edge of my seat. I would love to see like if since we're doing Dead or Alive, like I would love to see an interview interview between you and Amy Winehouse.
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I love Amy Winehouse. That's such a good one. And I just want to hear what she has to say. And she is like one of the most like unfiltered artists we've ever had. And I guess anything we get from her is a gift. So that's who I would want.
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I don't think I've ever been so well-spoken in a podcast episode before. I hooked up with this guy and spent the night during the night. Wait. Oh, sorry. Stroke. I hooked up. It's okay.
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I've been up at 4 a.m. every single day because of I've been.
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I've been up so early every day. I don't know why I'm jet lagged.
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I hooked up with this guy and spent the night during the night. He kept waking me up because he was doing downward dog multiple times on a yoga mat naked. Is this the biggest ache of 2025 or am I being dramatic?
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I can think of worse. I can also think of worse. So much worse. He could idolize Elon Musk.
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At least he's in touch with his body. I will say, what was that thing that people used to do where they would stand up and go like this? Do you know what I'm talking about? What was that? Soldier Boy? No. No. You know what I mean? Do you know what I'm talking about? I have no idea what you're talking about. Demonstrate. I had this guy. I was hooking up with this guy.
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And he was so on drugs, I think. I don't know what was going on with him. And he went naked around his room going like this. That is more of an ick than downward dog.
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Yes. Wow. It was horrible. It was horrible. And I still called him again. You were like, hey, I'm not ghosting you, by the way. You want to hang? So it's not the biggest ick, but I am curious as to why he was doing it.
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During your sleepover. But like if he was maybe just protecting his peace.
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Everyone does have their stuff, and yoga is really good for the mind.
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It's not a neck. It's not a neck. I struggle to... Oh, this feels like it was written by me. I struggle to find a balance when going out. I can never be chill. I always black out and don't remember anything. What should I do? You need to find a drink that you love.
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That was the best. When I tell you that was the best. I haven't. I don't think I've had a moment since then that's felt as good as that night. First of all, that show was so sick. Who performed again?
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You need to find a drink that you genuinely enjoy the taste of. So that way when you are drinking, you are not drinking as an action to get drunk. You're drinking because you're enjoying. And like by the end of the drink, you've enjoyed the taste of it, number one. And number two, you have a nice buzz going on.
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So like lately I've been into dirty martinis. Interesting. And I never ever thought I'd be into them. I hated all those for the longest time. Oh my God, we haven't even prescribed anything.
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I'm so sorry. We're moving so fast. I'm pressing the rewind button.
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For the three-year-long relationship girl with her boyfriend, and now she's talking to the twin brother, the twin brother's best friend, I would prescribe.
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The girl is flirting with her twin brother's best friend.
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The girl who thinks the yoga mat is an ick. I would prescribe a yoga class.
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Take a yoga class. It will change your life. Wait, I'm going to say something divisive. Say it.
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I love their boba. They're like little like they're frozen, like frappe situation with the boba. I love that. One time I had this taco salad. It was so disgusting that I've never been able to go back. And also, I don't like that they don't have french fries. I think it's weird.
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No, I would just say, can we go somewhere else? I hate that place.
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February is always a tough month. February is always like where's March is how I feel about February. I've also never once again experienced Valentine's Day enjoyably. So I would know that's a lie. I'm sorry. I always have my Galentine's Day, but I've never had like an actual Valentine's Day.
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Of course. Oh, really? I got one so bad the other week.
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interesting just the littlest thing could happen and i'm like my icks are like based in like my how my because i can see past almost anything when my friends are like that was weird i'm like oh my god that was weird because i'm so careful to how i'm perceived that like that's when i get insecure and anxious because like when you're in a relationship you're giving so much of yourself to that person like you kind of become one together i'm like
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I'm so, I'm a little, I'm a little too, I need to work on it. I'm a little too cautious to how my friends see the people that I want to be with romantically.
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It's just like an art exhibition, it feels like. You sit down. I mean...
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Scary. For the guy- We are so off topic. No, but we're on topic at the same time. For the guy that was hooking up with the 72-year-old, I would prescribe Call Me By Your Name.
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to my favorite that movie ruined my life and changed my life at the same time incredible I've seen it once I don't think I've ever seen it again because I want that I want an older lover in Italy like that was the dream Timothee Chalamet was living the dream so true like that was just awesome they were like going on trips together his parents were like we love you for you like it was in the 80s I was like what is happening um
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But yes, back to the girl who was blacking out. I prescribe a drink that you love.
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Yes. Okay, you know how I have my tense up thing? Yes, tense up. You have your... Oh, is that my thing? Yeah, that's your thing. That's like how I, like, I'll never forget the first time I saw you. Tommy, you looked at me, you went like this. I was like, oh, she's so cool.
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So cute. My friend group and all my friendships are with people six to eight years older than me, which I love, but sometimes I do feel I need to act my age. I'm fresh out of college. Where do I find these 20-somethings?
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Okay, I've never seen it. I would prescribe... Or Sister to the Troubled Pants.
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That was the first time that's ever happened. Really? Yes. That's never happened. I was literally about to say Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. So good. It's been three months since the breakup, and I swear I will never get over this man. We dated for a year and a half. It feels like he's already moved on to IDK what to do.
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Throw yourself into media to take your mind off of it.
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Get into a series, get into something, get into, honestly, if you've never really deep, if you've never dove deep into Taylor Swift's work, like that's like 12 albums deep worth of it. Like you're in for a treat and a documentary or two. And like, you'll also feel less bad about being so dramatic about this because she normalizes being really dramatic. Yeah, totally.
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And, um, just, I would say throw yourself into art or something that you can just like enter a different world.
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What Taylor Swift songs do you relate to the most?
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Like, I could go on. What's your favorite song? The Archer.
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The fact that I know that is so wild. You got Getaway Car and you got, I forget what the other one was. August. I think it was Maroon.
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Because I remember I was in Singapore and it was the first time she ever did Maroon. And Maroon is my favorite fucking song from Midnight's besides Mastermind. And she did Getaway Car and Maroon. And then that same weekend she also released You're Losing Me. It was a good weekend to be, it was like a good weekend to see the heiress tour.
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What is your experience like with fashion shows?
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Oh, for me it was Tis the Damn Season and I only saw it once and it changed my life. That is like my favorite song off Evermore.
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So good. Or, like, The Archer really hit, obviously, for me. But Lover really hit for me. Lover's a beautiful song. I love that song, no pun intended. And I love when she would perform, when she did Marjorie. I love, like, the Folklore Evermore set.
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Oh, hold on. Let me grab it for everyone. Willa brought me a gift. This is... From the archives. From the archives. Taylor Swift's 2012, so red era. Yeah. Cosmopolitan cover.
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It's so freaking cool that she did a Cosmo quiz. Oh my God. Crazy for a Kennedy. Taylor Swift, age 34. The fact that in the red era... Taylor's publicist allowed her to have, go on a cover with the words late night sex, make it hot, make it happen. It's so crazy to me. Cause like, you know, she was so, so like careful back in those days. Not, she wasn't talking about sex.
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The Wonderstruck perfume? You're kidding. No, this is like truly amazing. This is like, wait, if there is, you know, when they would be like scratch and sniff?
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Do you want to, like, do you feel as though a lot of people would say print is dying? What do you think?
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Dior. She was really that cover girl for the longest time.
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okay, I'm finding this Taylor Swift thing. Yeah, no worries. We got all the time in the world.
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Oh my God. This is Lady Gaga's fame perfume. Are you excited for them?
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Wow. Oh, my God. That's exactly what I remember.
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Brett is going to be so jealous. She's going to come home and, like, smell it until her nose falls off. I'm trying to find this quiz. Oh, my God. Silver Linings Playbook. Jessica Simpson.
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Slim and sexy all over. Yes. My God, why is skipping breakfast backfires? Yeah, checks out.
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Sorry, I'm like so... Oh, my God. Talk about a throwback.
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Bebe? You don't remember? Oh, my God. Southern queen. Oh, I don't know. But you don't remember Bebe? God, this brings me back. Zooey Deschanel. Hi, queen.
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Besides Taylor Swift because that's like the always answer.
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I want Jennifer Lawrence on so bad. Wow. I love Jennifer Lawrence. Ever since Jennifer Lawrence stepped down.
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foot on that oscar's red carpet and that red calvin klein dress do you remember that of course i was a changed person what was she she was there for a winter's bone so and she stepped and i remember i was an avid fashion police watcher and i had never seen joan rivers say anything nice about anyone ever and all they did for like 10 minutes straight was talk about how incredible jennifer lawrence looked amazing and it was just like it changed me
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I love Jennifer Lawrence. If you could have anyone on the cover, who would you want?
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You want them to reprise their roles? I would lose my mind. I would pass out.
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At all. Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson don't age. It's like the craziest thing to me.
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Really? Yeah. And were you like like do you like when you see a show like that and you like do you view it more as like art or like I want to wear everything that I've just seen?
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I also feel that way. That's how I felt about Vanessa Hutchins and Zac Efron.
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How long have they known each other for? Did they get into that?
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I have awful time management and I need help. Send help, please. No, seriously, tell me your ways. I mean, I don't have ways for time management. So do you? You need time management because you're a writer. So how do you manage your time?
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Okay. I have the worst time management of all time.
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Why? Why? I mean, I don't even need to know why. I assume it's like asking why like smoking is bad for you.
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Wait, I also the other day was thinking I really want to sleep with it far away. Yeah. But I got a new phone the other day. Like I got the new iPhone. Something inside me was like, don't. your old phone yet. Don't undownload everything. Surprise, surprise. You can't download TikTok from the app store anymore. So I can only use TikTok on my old phone. So now I sleep with two phones next to me.
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Yeah. It's hard. I mean, I've never been more addicted to anything ever in my entire life. I live on that thing. I live on the serotonin. Every notification rings me. Like I feel Phantom rings, like I, God.
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Like not long. Yeah. Not long. I'm so addicted to it. When I'm touring and when I'm working, I'll like get off my phone at like 5 p.m. and go back on at 10. Totally. I use my phone for stimulation. I feel very unstimulated because your phone is so overstimulating. Like a drug, right? So you're like your phone is like a drug.
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And drugs make normal life feel unstimulating because they overstimulate you. So because my phone overstimulates me so much, I feel so understimulated by life.
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They're just like, I am... My phone makes me so lonely. We are in a loneliness epidemic and I think it's really... I think that's why Brat had such a moment this summer. Bring it home. Because it really brought people together. Yeah, I agree. It really did. I described Brat as a party that everyone was invited to. It was the coolest party in the world that everyone was invited to.
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And we are in a loneliness epidemic, which is why sad music prevails. But it's also why... there's moments like brat.
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It's like, we're all alone together. Exactly. Oh, that's why it's the worst feeling.
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I'm like, Oh, I'm not alone. But the hardest part about touring, the hardest part is not like getting, it's not getting on the bus after like getting in your room after, because you know, you're going to do it again. It's when it ends, get home and you're like, uh, what? Like, you know, like everything has just been so overstimulating for so long. Oh my God.
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I've used that word like four times, but like, it's,
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it's just such a shift and i think that's why it's i think that's why a lot of people tour for so long because they can't not do it yeah a lot of people always say artists will always be like it's so hard to come back from touring because you're just like in a different world yeah like well people are like jake they're yeah they're there to see you and it's like such a confidence boost and then that's why you go to the tommy hill figure show
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Seriously, I'm not even kidding. I'll never forget that night as long as I live. I've never, ever, ever. I've never been to a fashion show. I never expected any of that to happen. And also, it was so cool. It was at Grand Central. Yeah, Oyster Bar. Did John Baptiste perform?
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It was so cool. Tommy always says such cool. Did you go to the one on the boat? Yeah. So cool.
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On and off. On and off. I was, like, so in my own head. I was way too in my own head to be a theater kid. But, like, I did a few shows.
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By the way, you were like, Prada's so it. And I went, remember Louise? I went to you and I was like, Willis says Prada's it. Do you remember that? I love. I do love Prada. Prada and I love their new campaign with Harris Dickinson.
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A little bit. I'm a little bit plugged in. I really... And I also like... I really... Tell me if you think I'm wrong. I really think Miu Miu is kind of having a moment.
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I love this. I bought this in... Europe and I just love it.
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Yeah, I did. And I never, I was like, I never thought about my outfit more until today. I had like, I came in with an outfit and Louise was like, you and your color mismatch never fails to unimpress me.
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But yeah, I would die to go to a Prada show. I just think it would be so cool. I love Prada.
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Put it in the journal. Yeah, like a Prada show in like Paris. That would be so cool.
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That would be so, that would, Make my life. I just want to see Harris Dickinson in person, and I know he'll be there. I love him. My best friend's boyfriend is a total buzzkill. He is boring and has no flavor and kills the fun. She is obsessed with him, and they have been dating for years. Do I tell her I hate him? Yes.
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And like, if I could redo it, I would do it like hard.
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I also, sorry, I just cut you off. No, go, go, go. I also think that they have to figure it out on their own sometimes, which sucks. So I prescribe the episode Panic in Central Park from Girls. Amazing. When Marnie sees her ex, Charlie, and realizes that she should not be with Desi anymore. Because everybody hates Desi the entire time. Everyone's like, Desi is the worst, Desi is the worst.
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Marnie literally doesn't listen. And it takes this entire episode of self-exploration For her to discover herself that she should not be with him. You cannot convince any. It's just like it's so not worth it sometimes I feel like because like they're never. Yes you should tell them but they're never. They have to figure it out on their own every time.
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Friends are always right. Yeah. Always. And I'm always the friend. So I'm always right.
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That's Joe Jonas, named him Patrick. I was like, no, normally it's a play on puss. He was like, no, it's Patrick. And I was like, got it, cool. Well, Willow, what did we learn today?
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I do love fashion shows. I learned a lot more about you. And I thought I already knew a lot about you, but I learned a lot more about you. I learned a lot about your work ethic and how important fashion is to you and in what sense it's important to you.
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Actually, that makes so much sense because every time I've gone to a black tie thing, I wear a bow tie.
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Real? No. Oh, my God. I have seen so many people fall victim to AI recently. It's like actually alarming. I'm like, I feel like I can, I'm pretty good at like calling out AI, but like Louise sent me a video yesterday that like, I'll play it right here. And she was like, is this real? Were you high?
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I really was passionate about that essay because I actually wrote it. I began it as like a speech in college for my speech class. And I remember being like, this eats. I was like, I wish I could put this out somewhere. And then when we started talking about possibly writing something and I just like expanded upon that, I was like, oh, it just felt so me.
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It was like, this is like a really good example of like who I am at my core.
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No, it's not. You guys, that's the scary part about AI. It's like, God, AI is not right. But I feel like I can call out AI pretty quickly. But no. I've been seeing a lot of people be like, look how cute this is. I'm like, that's AI.
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You hear that? Yeah. She likes to give me grief. She's like, you're late on everything. You're late on everything. I don't feel as though I'm ever late. She didn't need to remind me about high snob. I'll tell you that much.
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I know what you're saying about Cosmo. Everyone has this idea of what Cosmo is. Yeah. But it's like, if it's going to continue to exist, it has to mold to our current cultural landscape. And I feel like there's no one better to do that than you. Aw, that's so sweet. It's true. And you started with this. You're doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, let's show.
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Oh, this isn't even out yet? Yeah. This is such a, can you tell me about what it was like working with Brenda Song and Macaulay Culkin?
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Um, but like in a different way, cause we, we change as a society. We, we talk about love and we talk about relationships in a different way today than we obviously talked about it in the early two thousands. A hundred percent. And I feel like this is such a cool spin on it. And I don't know, I need you to explain this to me and like art person terms, but like why, what is it about this photo?
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You can't look, is it, it's like a very clean image, right?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 57: Willa Bennett
No. Tucker would never show me affection like that. We go on tour very soon. We've actually spent the past few weeks planning the show. Matt flew in. Should we call him?