Danny Brown

When it comes to growing your podcast, making it easy to follow is one of the best ways to do that, which is why in episode 17, I shared some options that are available for that. However, that's just for the podcast. But another way is to use a custom bio link.

When it comes to growing your podcast, making it easy to follow is one of the best ways to do that, which is why in episode 17, I shared some options that are available for that. However, that's just for the podcast. But another way is to use a custom bio link.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

So for your social media profiles, instead of just having one link that goes to your podcast website or maybe Apple or Spotify, a custom bio link allows you to not only share your podcast, but certain episodes, a newsletter and more. And depending on what bio link software you use, you can even embed episodes and videos.

So for your social media profiles, instead of just having one link that goes to your podcast website or maybe Apple or Spotify, a custom bio link allows you to not only share your podcast, but certain episodes, a newsletter and more. And depending on what bio link software you use, you can even embed episodes and videos.

Again, making it super easy for listeners to check out your show before following it. And the good thing is there's a few options out there so you can choose the one that's best for you. There's Linktree, there's BioLink, there's a new one I'm checking out at the moment called PodBio, and others, and I'll be sure to leave links in the show notes for you to check them out.

Again, making it super easy for listeners to check out your show before following it. And the good thing is there's a few options out there so you can choose the one that's best for you. There's Linktree, there's BioLink, there's a new one I'm checking out at the moment called PodBio, and others, and I'll be sure to leave links in the show notes for you to check them out.

The great thing with custom BioLinks is you're not limited to just one podcast. If you've got multiple shows, you can add them all there, highlight popular episodes, and more. It's a great way to share as much detail as you can about your podcast with just one link. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

The great thing with custom BioLinks is you're not limited to just one podcast. If you've got multiple shows, you can add them all there, highlight popular episodes, and more. It's a great way to share as much detail as you can about your podcast with just one link. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

If you enjoy one minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy one minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

To be honest, there's no right or wrong answer for this one. Arguably, the world's most famous podcaster, Joe Rogan, has episodes that are three hours long. Other podcasters have episodes between 20 minutes and an hour, sometimes more. Then you have something like this show, that's only a minute or so. The main thing to ensure is that no matter how long your episode, it's as tight as it can be.

To be honest, there's no right or wrong answer for this one. Arguably, the world's most famous podcaster, Joe Rogan, has episodes that are three hours long. Other podcasters have episodes between 20 minutes and an hour, sometimes more. Then you have something like this show, that's only a minute or so. The main thing to ensure is that no matter how long your episode, it's as tight as it can be.

I'm Danny Brown and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode. How long should your podcast episode be?

I'm Danny Brown and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode. How long should your podcast episode be?

Cut out any extra stuff that doesn't really add to the episode. So, if it's an hour long, but you spend the first 15 minutes of ads and shooting the crap, that's possibly 15 minutes that isn't needed. Your listeners only have so many hours in the day and yours won't be the only podcast to listen to, trust me. So make it compact and with no filler. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Cut out any extra stuff that doesn't really add to the episode. So, if it's an hour long, but you spend the first 15 minutes of ads and shooting the crap, that's possibly 15 minutes that isn't needed. Your listeners only have so many hours in the day and yours won't be the only podcast to listen to, trust me. So make it compact and with no filler. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you're a regular listener to the show, you'll know how often I talk about the listener experience and why good audio is key to making that experience the best it can be. While there are a lot of tools to help with that, here are my top three options to use no matter what editing software you have. Number one, EQ or equalization. This lets you adjust the frequencies of the audio.

If you're a regular listener to the show, you'll know how often I talk about the listener experience and why good audio is key to making that experience the best it can be. While there are a lot of tools to help with that, here are my top three options to use no matter what editing software you have. Number one, EQ or equalization. This lets you adjust the frequencies of the audio.

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I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you enjoy the show and want to support it, you can do that with a donation of your choosing at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And thanks so much for supporting. And now this week's episode.

So, for example, if you want to lower or increase deeper sounds like bass, or you want to emphasize higher frequencies like treble or mid-range based on a speaker's voice, Number two, compression. And this helps move the overall levels of your audio, which makes it a lot easier and more comfortable to listen to. And number three is normalisation.

So, for example, if you want to lower or increase deeper sounds like bass, or you want to emphasize higher frequencies like treble or mid-range based on a speaker's voice, Number two, compression. And this helps move the overall levels of your audio, which makes it a lot easier and more comfortable to listen to. And number three is normalisation.

Podcasting has a setting called LUFS, L-U-F-S, and that's the default loudness for the majority of the industry in podcast apps to help all audio stay at the same volume. The defaults are minus 19 LUFS for mono audio and minus 16 LUFS for stereo. And I've spoken before about LUFS and why it's important in episode 92, so I'll leave a link to that in the show notes so you can check it out.

Podcasting has a setting called LUFS, L-U-F-S, and that's the default loudness for the majority of the industry in podcast apps to help all audio stay at the same volume. The defaults are minus 19 LUFS for mono audio and minus 16 LUFS for stereo. And I've spoken before about LUFS and why it's important in episode 92, so I'll leave a link to that in the show notes so you can check it out.

While there are other options you can use, de-esser for example, if you have a more sibilant tone to your voice, these are my three go-to options I use on every edit to ensure a consistent and hopefully enjoyable listening experience. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

While there are other options you can use, de-esser for example, if you have a more sibilant tone to your voice, these are my three go-to options I use on every edit to ensure a consistent and hopefully enjoyable listening experience. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

When it comes to the audio quality of a podcast, many podcasters use plugins like iZotope, Waves, AccentEyes, and others like them with their preferred editing software. This helps both optimize and repair audio after an episode has been recorded.

When it comes to the audio quality of a podcast, many podcasters use plugins like iZotope, Waves, AccentEyes, and others like them with their preferred editing software. This helps both optimize and repair audio after an episode has been recorded.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

But for podcasters who may not be confident when it comes to audio quality, there's a great online tool called Auphonic that does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. This includes leveling the volume of all speakers, ensuring music and background noise isn't too loud, noise removal and reverb reduction, setting the EQ so each voice isn't hard on the listener's ears and more.

But for podcasters who may not be confident when it comes to audio quality, there's a great online tool called Auphonic that does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. This includes leveling the volume of all speakers, ensuring music and background noise isn't too loud, noise removal and reverb reduction, setting the EQ so each voice isn't hard on the listener's ears and more.

They also provide show notes, chapters and transcripts, which means you've got pretty much everything you need when it comes to creating a great episode. You can have two hours for each month and then either choose a monthly plan or one of credits as you need them. And I'll leave a link in the show notes so you can check Ophonic out for yourself.

They also provide show notes, chapters and transcripts, which means you've got pretty much everything you need when it comes to creating a great episode. You can have two hours for each month and then either choose a monthly plan or one of credits as you need them. And I'll leave a link in the show notes so you can check Ophonic out for yourself.

It's a great time saver and it really makes a difference to your audio. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

It's a great time saver and it really makes a difference to your audio. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

When it comes to podcast equipment, a lot of the discussions are usually around mics or interfaces or software or other tools. But for some reason, you rarely see headphones mentioned, and yet they're probably the most underrated piece of equipment around. When recording, you can hear any unwanted sounds, noise artifacts, uneven levels and more.

When it comes to podcast equipment, a lot of the discussions are usually around mics or interfaces or software or other tools. But for some reason, you rarely see headphones mentioned, and yet they're probably the most underrated piece of equipment around. When recording, you can hear any unwanted sounds, noise artifacts, uneven levels and more.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

During editing, you can pick out the tiny details you'd otherwise miss, including where the mix might need improvement. So I always recommend a good pair of headphones when it comes to podcasting, and to make sure they're monitor headphones with a neutral sound. You don't want heavy bass for music headphones, for example.

During editing, you can pick out the tiny details you'd otherwise miss, including where the mix might need improvement. So I always recommend a good pair of headphones when it comes to podcasting, and to make sure they're monitor headphones with a neutral sound. You don't want heavy bass for music headphones, for example.

I use the Sony MDR-7506, while the Sennheiser HD200 Pros are also really good, and I'll leave links to those in the show notes so you can check them out. So the next time you're looking at podcasting equipment, make sure your headphones are at the top of the list. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

I use the Sony MDR-7506, while the Sennheiser HD200 Pros are also really good, and I'll leave links to those in the show notes so you can check them out. So the next time you're looking at podcasting equipment, make sure your headphones are at the top of the list. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Until the next time, happy podcasting.

When it comes to the listening experience of your podcast, it's important to understand LUFS and why you need to use the correct one. So what is LUFS? Well, LUFS stands for Loudness Units Full Scale. And basically, it's a standardized way of measuring loudness. Now, I won't get too technical on this, but basically there are two types of LUFS, short-term and integrated.

When it comes to the listening experience of your podcast, it's important to understand LUFS and why you need to use the correct one. So what is LUFS? Well, LUFS stands for Loudness Units Full Scale. And basically, it's a standardized way of measuring loudness. Now, I won't get too technical on this, but basically there are two types of LUFS, short-term and integrated.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you want more specific tips just for you and your podcast, check out the Magic Mike membership at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you want more specific tips just for you and your podcast, check out the Magic Mike membership at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

Short-term gives us a peak reading of the last three seconds of audio, while integrated is an average of the whole audio mix. And it's how we measure loudness for film, music streaming, radio, and podcasting. To get an idea of important how LUFS is, ask yourself if you've ever listened to an episode and the ads have been much louder than the episode audio itself or vice versa.

Short-term gives us a peak reading of the last three seconds of audio, while integrated is an average of the whole audio mix. And it's how we measure loudness for film, music streaming, radio, and podcasting. To get an idea of important how LUFS is, ask yourself if you've ever listened to an episode and the ads have been much louder than the episode audio itself or vice versa.

Ideally, you want every part of your episode at the same level, whether that's you and a guest, your ads, your intro, your outro, etc. Makes it a lot more comfortable to listen back to. Generally, there are two settings to work by. Mine is 16 LUFS for stereo and mine is 19 LUFS for mono. Now, a lot of editing software has LUFS settings built in.

Ideally, you want every part of your episode at the same level, whether that's you and a guest, your ads, your intro, your outro, etc. Makes it a lot more comfortable to listen back to. Generally, there are two settings to work by. Mine is 16 LUFS for stereo and mine is 19 LUFS for mono. Now, a lot of editing software has LUFS settings built in.

I use Hindenburg Pro, for example, and when I export the audio, I can set it to minus 16. And I do this for all my ads, sponsor messages, intro, outro, music, and more. This ensures that every part of my audio is exactly the same level.

I use Hindenburg Pro, for example, and when I export the audio, I can set it to minus 16. And I do this for all my ads, sponsor messages, intro, outro, music, and more. This ensures that every part of my audio is exactly the same level.

There's some great resources for LUFS, including a detailed explanation of what they are and how to use them, and I'll leave links to those in the episode show notes, so be sure to check them out too. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too.

There's some great resources for LUFS, including a detailed explanation of what they are and how to use them, and I'll leave links to those in the episode show notes, so be sure to check them out too. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too.

When it comes to the audio quality of a podcast, many podcasters use plugins like iZotope, Waves, AccentEyes, and others like them with their preferred editing software. This helps both optimize and repair audio after an episode has been recorded.

When it comes to the audio quality of a podcast, many podcasters use plugins like iZotope, Waves, AccentEyes, and others like them with their preferred editing software. This helps both optimize and repair audio after an episode has been recorded.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you enjoy the show and want to support it, you can do that with a donation of your choosing at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And thanks so much for supporting. And now this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown, and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you enjoy the show and want to support it, you can do that with a donation of your choosing at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And thanks so much for supporting. And now this week's episode.

But for podcasters who may not be confident when it comes to audio quality, there's a great online tool called Auphonic that does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. This includes leveling the volume of all speakers, ensuring music and background noise isn't too loud, noise removal and reverb reduction, setting the EQ so each voice isn't hard on the listener's ears and more.

But for podcasters who may not be confident when it comes to audio quality, there's a great online tool called Auphonic that does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. This includes leveling the volume of all speakers, ensuring music and background noise isn't too loud, noise removal and reverb reduction, setting the EQ so each voice isn't hard on the listener's ears and more.

They also provide show notes, chapters and transcripts, which means you've got pretty much everything you need when it comes to creating a great episode. You can have two hours for each month and then either choose a monthly plan or one of credits as you need them. And I'll leave a link in the show notes so you can check Ophonic out for yourself.

They also provide show notes, chapters and transcripts, which means you've got pretty much everything you need when it comes to creating a great episode. You can have two hours for each month and then either choose a monthly plan or one of credits as you need them. And I'll leave a link in the show notes so you can check Ophonic out for yourself.

It's a great time saver and it really makes a difference to your audio. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

It's a great time saver and it really makes a difference to your audio. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

For podcasters that offer a premium option, so where you can get stuff like exclusive content, early access to episodes, bonus content, etc., one of the things that can be a problem is what to call it. Do you call it memberships? Do you call it premium listeners or premium members? Do you call it premium subscribers or even just subscribers?

For podcasters that offer a premium option, so where you can get stuff like exclusive content, early access to episodes, bonus content, etc., one of the things that can be a problem is what to call it. Do you call it memberships? Do you call it premium listeners or premium members? Do you call it premium subscribers or even just subscribers?

I'm Danny Brown and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

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While it can come down to your own preference, as well as what you think your audience will understand better, the most recognisable option is probably to call it something where subscriber is the main term. And this is for one simple reason. People already associate the word subscriber with paid content. So, Netflix, YouTube Premium, newspapers, streaming services, etc.,

While it can come down to your own preference, as well as what you think your audience will understand better, the most recognisable option is probably to call it something where subscriber is the main term. And this is for one simple reason. People already associate the word subscriber with paid content. So, Netflix, YouTube Premium, newspapers, streaming services, etc.,

all of them use the word subscribe when it comes to getting content only made for paid subscribers. So it makes sense to use the same for your own premium content, whether that's Patreon, Substack or memberships from Captivate where I'm head of podcaster support and experience.

all of them use the word subscribe when it comes to getting content only made for paid subscribers. So it makes sense to use the same for your own premium content, whether that's Patreon, Substack or memberships from Captivate where I'm head of podcaster support and experience.

So when it comes to your paid content, think about switching to using something like become a paid subscriber for premium and exclusive content and see how that goes. The best thing about podcasting is you can easily experiment and see what works and what doesn't and change it up pretty quickly. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

So when it comes to your paid content, think about switching to using something like become a paid subscriber for premium and exclusive content and see how that goes. The best thing about podcasting is you can easily experiment and see what works and what doesn't and change it up pretty quickly. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Defining success and how to achieve it will ensure you grow realistically and don't get put off by chasing unrealistic goals. And the third is to listen to what your listeners are telling you. So, for example, what kind of content resonates, what length of content, what kind of takeaways, etc.

Defining success and how to achieve it will ensure you grow realistically and don't get put off by chasing unrealistic goals. And the third is to listen to what your listeners are telling you. So, for example, what kind of content resonates, what length of content, what kind of takeaways, etc.

You can get this information from your analytics, reviews, the percentage of your episodes that are listened to, what calls to action are acted upon, and more. By creating content that you believe in, but that also meets the needs of your listeners, you're going to set yourself up for a podcast that connects and is fun and rewarding to make week after week.

You can get this information from your analytics, reviews, the percentage of your episodes that are listened to, what calls to action are acted upon, and more. By creating content that you believe in, but that also meets the needs of your listeners, you're going to set yourself up for a podcast that connects and is fun and rewarding to make week after week.

Now, there are more ways to continue podcasting past year one, two, etc. But these three tips are the ones that have helped me and they're also pretty easy to manage too. So I hope they do the same for you. Thanks again for letting me bring this podcast to you and for helping it reach episode 100.

Now, there are more ways to continue podcasting past year one, two, etc. But these three tips are the ones that have helped me and they're also pretty easy to manage too. So I hope they do the same for you. Thanks again for letting me bring this podcast to you and for helping it reach episode 100.

To celebrate, I'll be having a special live stream on Saturday, October 26 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific, 6pm UK time, where you can ask me any podcasting questions you might have. You can set a reminder by going to oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash 100. That's the number 100 100. I'd love to see you there. Until the next time, happy 100 episodes and happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

To celebrate, I'll be having a special live stream on Saturday, October 26 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific, 6pm UK time, where you can ask me any podcasting questions you might have. You can set a reminder by going to oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash 100. That's the number 100 100. I'd love to see you there. Until the next time, happy 100 episodes and happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

If you enjoy One Minute Podcast Tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Hey, Danny here, and welcome to this special episode of One Minute Podcast Tips. Today sees the show reach episode 100, which is kind of weird to say as I wasn't sure if the idea for the show would work or not when I first came up with it. After all, could podcast tips in a minute or less work and, more importantly, offer value?

Hey, Danny here, and welcome to this special episode of One Minute Podcast Tips. Today sees the show reach episode 100, which is kind of weird to say as I wasn't sure if the idea for the show would work or not when I first came up with it. After all, could podcast tips in a minute or less work and, more importantly, offer value?

I'm Danny Brown and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

I'm Danny Brown and you're listening to One Minute Podcast Tips, the show that helps you be a better podcaster in just a minute a week. If you like exclusive tips just for your podcast, as well as early access to all episodes, become a premium subscriber at oneminutepodcasttips.com forward slash support. And now, this week's episode.

Well, thankfully, with the feedback and reviews that you've been kind to share, it would seem so. So thank you so much for that. So in this special episode, I wanted to share some tips on podcast longevity. The first is to plan ahead. While it's relatively easy to start a podcast, it can be harder to keep it going, with many podcasters stopping by episode 7.

Well, thankfully, with the feedback and reviews that you've been kind to share, it would seem so. So thank you so much for that. So in this special episode, I wanted to share some tips on podcast longevity. The first is to plan ahead. While it's relatively easy to start a podcast, it can be harder to keep it going, with many podcasters stopping by episode 7.

This can be down to a few reasons, but the biggest is often not having a plan from the start. So, plan your show out. Format, length, frequency, making sure you have episodes in the bag for when you can't record etc, so you know exactly what you need to be doing each week, or whatever your publishing frequency is.

This can be down to a few reasons, but the biggest is often not having a plan from the start. So, plan your show out. Format, length, frequency, making sure you have episodes in the bag for when you can't record etc, so you know exactly what you need to be doing each week, or whatever your publishing frequency is.

The second thing is to identify what success looks like to you and how you're going to get there, which can also tie into the planning stage. Is it downloads, listeners, being invited on other shows, reviews, monetization, etc.? Or is it simply recording and publishing consistently for a set amount of time?

The second thing is to identify what success looks like to you and how you're going to get there, which can also tie into the planning stage. Is it downloads, listeners, being invited on other shows, reviews, monetization, etc.? Or is it simply recording and publishing consistently for a set amount of time?

Decide what success looks like and then work back from there to set out stages of that success. If it's listeners, for example, how many do you want to try and achieve within six months, then a year and so on? And how are you going to get those? So where and how will you promote the podcast, for example?

Decide what success looks like and then work back from there to set out stages of that success. If it's listeners, for example, how many do you want to try and achieve within six months, then a year and so on? And how are you going to get those? So where and how will you promote the podcast, for example?

By keeping multiple options open and not restricted to a single platform, you'll also be better positioned to manage if one of these options are no longer available to you, which can make a huge difference to your revenue goals. I talk about this a bit more in depth over at my Be A Better Podcaster newsletter, and I'll leave a link to that in the show notes so you can check it out.

By keeping multiple options open and not restricted to a single platform, you'll also be better positioned to manage if one of these options are no longer available to you, which can make a huge difference to your revenue goals. I talk about this a bit more in depth over at my Be A Better Podcaster newsletter, and I'll leave a link to that in the show notes so you can check it out.

Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy one-minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy one-minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

At the end of last year, Spotify announced their new monetisation options for podcasters, Spotify Partner Programme and subscriptions. Now while at first this might appear great news, after all it might seem tempting to be making money on arguably the largest podcast platform in the world, chances are for the average podcaster that's not going to happen because of their eligibility limitations.

At the end of last year, Spotify announced their new monetisation options for podcasters, Spotify Partner Programme and subscriptions. Now while at first this might appear great news, after all it might seem tempting to be making money on arguably the largest podcast platform in the world, chances are for the average podcaster that's not going to happen because of their eligibility limitations.

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For the Partner Program, for example, you need to be hosted with Spotify for Creators, have 10,000 streamed hours on Spotify in the last 30 days, have been streamed by 2,000 unique Spotify users in the last 30 days, and have at least 12 episodes published.

For the Partner Program, for example, you need to be hosted with Spotify for Creators, have 10,000 streamed hours on Spotify in the last 30 days, have been streamed by 2,000 unique Spotify users in the last 30 days, and have at least 12 episodes published.

Now, the first and last bullet points aren't deal-breakers as such, but the main two, the 10,000 hours and 2,000 unique Spotify users in the last 30 days, definitely could be, and probably are, for several reasons. According to the Podcast Marketing Academy's Podcast Marketing Trends 2024 report, the average podcast has 425 downloads per episode and 1,132 downloads per month.

Now, the first and last bullet points aren't deal-breakers as such, but the main two, the 10,000 hours and 2,000 unique Spotify users in the last 30 days, definitely could be, and probably are, for several reasons. According to the Podcast Marketing Academy's Podcast Marketing Trends 2024 report, the average podcast has 425 downloads per episode and 1,132 downloads per month.

So if your figures are similar to that of the average podcast, then the Spotify Partner Program is out of reach, unfortunately. That, and the fact that a lot of listeners won't use Spotify for personal reasons, is a great example of why having multiple monetization options without restrictions is key.

So if your figures are similar to that of the average podcast, then the Spotify Partner Program is out of reach, unfortunately. That, and the fact that a lot of listeners won't use Spotify for personal reasons, is a great example of why having multiple monetization options without restrictions is key.

So things like Patreon, buy me a coffee, direct sponsors, premium and exclusive episodes, merchandise, affiliate marketing and more. Many podcast and hosting companies also offer great options like memberships, private podcasts, etc.

So things like Patreon, buy me a coffee, direct sponsors, premium and exclusive episodes, merchandise, affiliate marketing and more. Many podcast and hosting companies also offer great options like memberships, private podcasts, etc.

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While social media can help from a word-of-mouth perspective, and I've seen some podcasters have great success with it, I find it generally isn't very effective at growth for your podcast. It's great for building a community around doing your show, but harder to drive actual listens. So, instead, here are three options I found more effective. Number one, trailer swaps with podcasts in your niche.

While social media can help from a word-of-mouth perspective, and I've seen some podcasters have great success with it, I find it generally isn't very effective at growth for your podcast. It's great for building a community around doing your show, but harder to drive actual listens. So, instead, here are three options I found more effective. Number one, trailer swaps with podcasts in your niche.

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reach out to podcasters similar to your niche and ask if they want to run a trailer swap. This is where they play your trailer on their show and vice versa. Because the audience is similar and listeners will generally be on an app already when listening, it's easy to click open your show from my episode show notes or search for it directly on that podcast app and follow.

reach out to podcasters similar to your niche and ask if they want to run a trailer swap. This is where they play your trailer on their show and vice versa. Because the audience is similar and listeners will generally be on an app already when listening, it's easy to click open your show from my episode show notes or search for it directly on that podcast app and follow.

Number two, pitch your podcast to industry newsletters. One of the best ways to grow awareness and listeners around your show is to submit to interesting newsletters in your niche. This can be for any event you're creating or attending, special episodes, new season launch, and more. I've had great success for this show by being featured in the likes of PodNews, PodBam, PocketCasts, and more.

Number two, pitch your podcast to industry newsletters. One of the best ways to grow awareness and listeners around your show is to submit to interesting newsletters in your niche. This can be for any event you're creating or attending, special episodes, new season launch, and more. I've had great success for this show by being featured in the likes of PodNews, PodBam, PocketCasts, and more.

Number three, start your own newsletter. There's a reason newsletters have been around for so long. They're one of the most effective ways at growing an audience that wants to hear from you and what you have to offer, whether that's exclusive content, behind-the-scenes info, or an online course.

Number three, start your own newsletter. There's a reason newsletters have been around for so long. They're one of the most effective ways at growing an audience that wants to hear from you and what you have to offer, whether that's exclusive content, behind-the-scenes info, or an online course.

This offers value to your subscribers and also keeps your podcast front and center to those subscribers. These are just some of the ways I find to be really effective, and the added bonuses are little to zero cost involved except your time, which is always nice. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

This offers value to your subscribers and also keeps your podcast front and center to those subscribers. These are just some of the ways I find to be really effective, and the added bonuses are little to zero cost involved except your time, which is always nice. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

The cool thing is by using your own analytics, you're seeing exactly what listeners are being attracted to. And that can really help you plan out content that will continue to resonate and bring new listeners on board as well. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

The cool thing is by using your own analytics, you're seeing exactly what listeners are being attracted to. And that can really help you plan out content that will continue to resonate and bring new listeners on board as well. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

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For a lot of podcasters, coming up with ideas for new episodes can be done in a number of ways. So for example, you might use AI to come up with some initial ideas and then take it from there. Or like I often do, I'll look for questions that are being asked on the likes of Reddit, Blue Sky and LinkedIn, etc.

For a lot of podcasters, coming up with ideas for new episodes can be done in a number of ways. So for example, you might use AI to come up with some initial ideas and then take it from there. Or like I often do, I'll look for questions that are being asked on the likes of Reddit, Blue Sky and LinkedIn, etc.

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And then create episodes for this podcast based on the kind of questions that are being asked by podcasters. However, there's another really simple way and that's using your own analytics, especially the episodes overview analytics. Now, depending on what hosting company you use, this might be called something different.

And then create episodes for this podcast based on the kind of questions that are being asked by podcasters. However, there's another really simple way and that's using your own analytics, especially the episodes overview analytics. Now, depending on what hosting company you use, this might be called something different.

But for the most part, it's around the downloads and listens you get across different episodes throughout the year. So for this example, I'm going to look at the top 10 episodes over the last 12 months.

But for the most part, it's around the downloads and listens you get across different episodes throughout the year. So for this example, I'm going to look at the top 10 episodes over the last 12 months.

They range from tips to save time in post-production and editing, how to avoid and overcome pod fade, why good mic technique is key to your podcast audio, the top three options you should always have on your podcast website and more. So from there, you can start to see what kind of content resonates most with listeners.

They range from tips to save time in post-production and editing, how to avoid and overcome pod fade, why good mic technique is key to your podcast audio, the top three options you should always have on your podcast website and more. So from there, you can start to see what kind of content resonates most with listeners.

And based on that, you can now start to plan out what your content looks like moving forward. So, for example, you may do follow up answers from your original episodes that go deeper into topics you didn't talk about on the original episode. So, for instance, the top three options that you should always have on your podcast website.

And based on that, you can now start to plan out what your content looks like moving forward. So, for example, you may do follow up answers from your original episodes that go deeper into topics you didn't talk about on the original episode. So, for instance, the top three options that you should always have on your podcast website.

Maybe I mentioned a newsletter sign up form, an easy way to listen to your podcast and an easy way to subscribe to your podcast or follow up for free. But from there, for a follow-up episode, I may want to talk about different newsletter platforms or other ways to optimize your website for visitors. So, for example, a feedback form or a way to leave a voicemail or send you a voice message, etc.

Maybe I mentioned a newsletter sign up form, an easy way to listen to your podcast and an easy way to subscribe to your podcast or follow up for free. But from there, for a follow-up episode, I may want to talk about different newsletter platforms or other ways to optimize your website for visitors. So, for example, a feedback form or a way to leave a voicemail or send you a voice message, etc.

podcast trailer is grateful and potential listeners what your show is about as well as helping promote your show across social media newsletters and elsewhere how long should a podcast trailer be well one thing you remember is it's not the same as a podcast introductory episode an introductory episode is more like a normal episode and can last anywhere between five and ten minutes a trailer on the other hand is short punchy and is meant to act as a quick way for you to tell listeners what to expect from your podcast

podcast trailer is grateful and potential listeners what your show is about as well as helping promote your show across social media newsletters and elsewhere how long should a podcast trailer be well one thing you remember is it's not the same as a podcast introductory episode an introductory episode is more like a normal episode and can last anywhere between five and ten minutes a trailer on the other hand is short punchy and is meant to act as a quick way for you to tell listeners what to expect from your podcast

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Ideally, a trailer should have who you are, what the podcast is about, what listeners can expect as takeaways, how often you publish, what days you publish and where to find your podcast. The length of time can vary, but most effective trailers are normally between 60 and 90 seconds. That's long enough to get across what you need and short enough to keep it punchy.

Ideally, a trailer should have who you are, what the podcast is about, what listeners can expect as takeaways, how often you publish, what days you publish and where to find your podcast. The length of time can vary, but most effective trailers are normally between 60 and 90 seconds. That's long enough to get across what you need and short enough to keep it punchy.

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When it comes to dynamic content, most podcasters use this for sponsor messages or ads. So you may have a sponsor and you insert them as a pre-roll, which is at the start of your podcast episode, or a mid-roll anywhere within the content itself, or even a post-roll once the episode's finished.

When it comes to dynamic content, most podcasters use this for sponsor messages or ads. So you may have a sponsor and you insert them as a pre-roll, which is at the start of your podcast episode, or a mid-roll anywhere within the content itself, or even a post-roll once the episode's finished.

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And this is a great way if you're looking to monetize your podcast or work directly with advertisers and sponsors. but you can also make your podcast really engaging with dynamic content and use it for more than just sponsored messages or ads. For example, a past guest has a new book out, so you could get the affiliate link and drop a quick audio snippet promoting the book.

And this is a great way if you're looking to monetize your podcast or work directly with advertisers and sponsors. but you can also make your podcast really engaging with dynamic content and use it for more than just sponsored messages or ads. For example, a past guest has a new book out, so you could get the affiliate link and drop a quick audio snippet promoting the book.

You might host a geek podcast about Star Wars, but you're going to create a new miniseries podcast about the Ahsoka TV show. So you could upload a snippet that promotes this new podcast across all your back episodes for your current show, or just the ones that mention Ahsoka.

You might host a geek podcast about Star Wars, but you're going to create a new miniseries podcast about the Ahsoka TV show. So you could upload a snippet that promotes this new podcast across all your back episodes for your current show, or just the ones that mention Ahsoka.

If you're on a true crime podcast and new information has come to light, you can add a snippet with the most up-to-date info about that case featured in a past episode. There are lots of ways you can use dynamic content to ensure your listeners have the most recent details about the topic, guests and more.

If you're on a true crime podcast and new information has come to light, you can add a snippet with the most up-to-date info about that case featured in a past episode. There are lots of ways you can use dynamic content to ensure your listeners have the most recent details about the topic, guests and more.

And it's a really simple way to make a show as contextual as possible for those listeners, which can only help when it comes to growing your show more. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy one minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

And it's a really simple way to make a show as contextual as possible for those listeners, which can only help when it comes to growing your show more. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy one minute podcast tips, be sure to share with your friends and other podcasters so they can enjoy it too. Until the next time, happy podcasting.

When it comes to podcast numbers, a lot of the times podcasters just look at downloads or listens. And while that's good for an overall view, you can get useful data like follower numbers on different apps if you know where to look. So, for example, if you log on to Apple's Podcast Connect, Spotify for podcasters, and Amazon for podcasters, that will show you your follower numbers on these apps.

When it comes to podcast numbers, a lot of the times podcasters just look at downloads or listens. And while that's good for an overall view, you can get useful data like follower numbers on different apps if you know where to look. So, for example, if you log on to Apple's Podcast Connect, Spotify for podcasters, and Amazon for podcasters, that will show you your follower numbers on these apps.

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These are the listeners that have hit the follow button for your show, so they get each new episode as soon as it's released. Another great resource is Refonic. By creating an account there and claiming your podcast, you can see follower numbers for podcast apps like Podcast Addict, CastBox, TuneIn, and more.

These are the listeners that have hit the follow button for your show, so they get each new episode as soon as it's released. Another great resource is Refonic. By creating an account there and claiming your podcast, you can see follower numbers for podcast apps like Podcast Addict, CastBox, TuneIn, and more.

Combine this with the details from Apple, Spotify, and Amazon, and you can start to see exactly how your audience has grown on these apps, which can be useful data to share with sponsors and advertisers. And I'll leave links to those in the show notes, so be sure to check them out. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

Combine this with the details from Apple, Spotify, and Amazon, and you can start to see exactly how your audience has grown on these apps, which can be useful data to share with sponsors and advertisers. And I'll leave links to those in the show notes, so be sure to check them out. Until the next time, happy podcasting. Thanks for listening.

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By the way, answering my question about are all economists married to other economists with a breakdown of the data of the numbers of female versus male economists and thus the different proportions of marriages is such an economist way to answer. Now, before we get to the game, we heard that you asked a chatbot to predict what we would ask you about. And, well, what did it say?

By the way, answering my question about are all economists married to other economists with a breakdown of the data of the numbers of female versus male economists and thus the different proportions of marriages is such an economist way to answer. Now, before we get to the game, we heard that you asked a chatbot to predict what we would ask you about. And, well, what did it say?

So the chat bot thought I would ask you about your true passion in competitive yodeling. Is that by any chance your true passion?

So the chat bot thought I would ask you about your true passion in competitive yodeling. Is that by any chance your true passion?

Well, Claudia Golden, we've asked you to play a game we're calling... Economy? How about first class? You know the economy, but we're going to ask you about a guy who knows first class. Tom Stuker, who is the most traveled airline passenger in history, and he did every one of those 23 million miles in first class.

Well, Claudia Golden, we've asked you to play a game we're calling... Economy? How about first class? You know the economy, but we're going to ask you about a guy who knows first class. Tom Stuker, who is the most traveled airline passenger in history, and he did every one of those 23 million miles in first class.

Answer two or three questions about Mr. Stuker, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who's Professor Golden playing for? Laurie Craig of Olympia, Washington. All right. Here's the first question for the both of you. Mr. Stuker started his odyssey when he bought a lifelong pass for unlimited first-class travel from United in 1990 for $290,000.

Answer two or three questions about Mr. Stuker, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who's Professor Golden playing for? Laurie Craig of Olympia, Washington. All right. Here's the first question for the both of you. Mr. Stuker started his odyssey when he bought a lifelong pass for unlimited first-class travel from United in 1990 for $290,000.

As you can imagine, having flown farther than any other human being in the decades since, he has lots of advice for travelers, including which of these? A, despite what you've heard, people like it when you take off your shoes on planes. B, always lie to the chief flight attendant that you remember them. Or C, air sickness bags make great hand puppets for the kids.

As you can imagine, having flown farther than any other human being in the decades since, he has lots of advice for travelers, including which of these? A, despite what you've heard, people like it when you take off your shoes on planes. B, always lie to the chief flight attendant that you remember them. Or C, air sickness bags make great hand puppets for the kids.

B. You're going to say B. Hold on. Larry, can you hear me? You concur in the choice of B. Yes. Big nod from Larry. You're both right. Yes. Yes. He says that when you meet the chief flight attendant as you walk onto the plane, say, oh, hi, I remember you from my last flight. You were so great. It's great to see you again.

B. You're going to say B. Hold on. Larry, can you hear me? You concur in the choice of B. Yes. Big nod from Larry. You're both right. Yes. Yes. He says that when you meet the chief flight attendant as you walk onto the plane, say, oh, hi, I remember you from my last flight. You were so great. It's great to see you again.

Now, they, of course, don't remember you, but they're not going to admit that. So instead, they will just treat you exceptionally well during the flight. Word to the wise. All right. Two more questions.

Now, they, of course, don't remember you, but they're not going to admit that. So instead, they will just treat you exceptionally well during the flight. Word to the wise. All right. Two more questions.

Because he has earned frequent flyer miles with every flight, he's also been able to swap those miles for all kinds of goods and services, meaning that Mr. Tom Stooker once used frequent flyer miles to get himself a what? A, an entirely new face from a plastic surgeon, B, a guest spot on the TV show Seinfeld, or C, a majority ownership stake in United Airlines. Okay, Seinfeld. It's Seinfeld.

Because he has earned frequent flyer miles with every flight, he's also been able to swap those miles for all kinds of goods and services, meaning that Mr. Tom Stooker once used frequent flyer miles to get himself a what? A, an entirely new face from a plastic surgeon, B, a guest spot on the TV show Seinfeld, or C, a majority ownership stake in United Airlines. Okay, Seinfeld. It's Seinfeld.

Yes, that's right.

Yes, that's right.

No, he donated his miles to a fundraiser, and the prize was a guest spot on Seinfeld. So you can see him in the episode in which George's fiancée dies from licking envelopes. All right, here's your last question. Despite what you might think, United Airlines doesn't mind him costing them millions of dollars in free flights. In fact, they once did what for him?

No, he donated his miles to a fundraiser, and the prize was a guest spot on Seinfeld. So you can see him in the episode in which George's fiancée dies from licking envelopes. All right, here's your last question. Despite what you might think, United Airlines doesn't mind him costing them millions of dollars in free flights. In fact, they once did what for him?

A, they let him pilot the plane, part of a trip from Dallas to Hawaii, but quote, only over the ocean. B, they let him be CEO of United for a day, which is why the airline went from giving people peanuts to the much superior Stroopwafels. Or C, they named not one, but two aircraft after him. It's got to be C. That's right.

A, they let him pilot the plane, part of a trip from Dallas to Hawaii, but quote, only over the ocean. B, they let him be CEO of United for a day, which is why the airline went from giving people peanuts to the much superior Stroopwafels. Or C, they named not one, but two aircraft after him. It's got to be C. That's right.

It is C. Next time you see United Aircraft, check to see if it says Thomas R. Stuker customer on the fuselage. Bill, how did Dr. Claudia Golden and her husband Larry do in our quiz?

It is C. Next time you see United Aircraft, check to see if it says Thomas R. Stuker customer on the fuselage. Bill, how did Dr. Claudia Golden and her husband Larry do in our quiz?

Dr. Claudia Golden is a Nobel Prize winner and the Henry Lee Professor of Economics at Harvard University. Dr. Golden, thank you so much. We know that 2025 is already intimidated by everything we have played so far, so let's hit it when it's down. We went to Austin, Texas last February and talked with rapper Danny Brown.

Dr. Claudia Golden is a Nobel Prize winner and the Henry Lee Professor of Economics at Harvard University. Dr. Golden, thank you so much. We know that 2025 is already intimidated by everything we have played so far, so let's hit it when it's down. We went to Austin, Texas last February and talked with rapper Danny Brown.

Danny had moved there after revolutionizing hip-hop in his hometown of Detroit. Peter asked him about his distinct style. You do something that I don't think a lot of the people in your field do is that you use different voices when you rap, right?

Danny had moved there after revolutionizing hip-hop in his hometown of Detroit. Peter asked him about his distinct style. You do something that I don't think a lot of the people in your field do is that you use different voices when you rap, right?

Do you have, like, names for your voices that you use? Like, these are verses that this guy's going to do? Yeah, I guess.

Do you have, like, names for your voices that you use? Like, these are verses that this guy's going to do? Yeah, I guess.

Oh, okay.

Oh, okay.

It's so fascinating. That's fascinating. So we were reading about you. You grew up in Detroit, and you said that you were rhyming almost as soon as you could talk, right?

It's so fascinating. That's fascinating. So we were reading about you. You grew up in Detroit, and you said that you were rhyming almost as soon as you could talk, right?

Yeah, he was killing him on the playground, green eggs and ham. You feel me? Yeah.

Yeah, he was killing him on the playground, green eggs and ham. You feel me? Yeah.

You also won a lot of rap battles in high school, right?

You also won a lot of rap battles in high school, right?

Let him know. What kind of contract does that guy have? Is there like a secret weapon to winning rap battles? Because I couldn't on a bet.

Let him know. What kind of contract does that guy have? Is there like a secret weapon to winning rap battles? Because I couldn't on a bet.

That was the Adderall voice right there.

That was the Adderall voice right there.

Yeah, that was it. So you had this huge album about 10 years ago when you were about 30 called XXX or 30, right? Yeah. And you have a new album, Quaranta, Italian. Quaranta. Quaranta, excuse me.

Yeah, that was it. So you had this huge album about 10 years ago when you were about 30 called XXX or 30, right? Yeah. And you have a new album, Quaranta, Italian. Quaranta. Quaranta, excuse me.

You got a row to R. Quaranta. See, he battling you already. You didn't even know it.

You got a row to R. Quaranta. See, he battling you already. You didn't even know it.

So you albumed 30 when you were 30 and Italian for 40 when you're 40. Has Adele ever called to say, you're stealing my bit?

So you albumed 30 when you were 30 and Italian for 40 when you're 40. Has Adele ever called to say, you're stealing my bit?

Really? But for the most part, she was pretty cool. She was nice, yeah. And it was when you all first met?

Really? But for the most part, she was pretty cool. She was nice, yeah. And it was when you all first met?

Yeah. Yeah, it was like first thing.

Yeah. Yeah, it was like first thing.

Speaking of which, if you don't know about your struggles with addiction and substances and drink and stuff, you can find out about it because Quaranta, let me get that right, It has a lot of verses about your struggles and some regrets. I mean, it's like a, it's a, forgive me, it's like an older guy's rap album, right? Yeah, it was a midlife crisis.

Speaking of which, if you don't know about your struggles with addiction and substances and drink and stuff, you can find out about it because Quaranta, let me get that right, It has a lot of verses about your struggles and some regrets. I mean, it's like a, it's a, forgive me, it's like an older guy's rap album, right? Yeah, it was a midlife crisis.

Speaking of midlife crisis, we understand that you, among your many enthusiasms these days, you're into pickleball.

Speaking of midlife crisis, we understand that you, among your many enthusiasms these days, you're into pickleball.

That's not fair, bruh.

That's not fair, bruh.

Beautiful. It's a very easy procedure. You do that, you give it a fountain pen, and you move on.

Beautiful. It's a very easy procedure. You do that, you give it a fountain pen, and you move on.

So I fell in love with it, so I'm playing. Are you planning to get good, go back to the old album?

So I fell in love with it, so I'm playing. Are you planning to get good, go back to the old album?

I feel like those old folks, they pride themselves on baiting young people into the sport. Yes, they did.

I feel like those old folks, they pride themselves on baiting young people into the sport. Yes, they did.

But when you do your 70 album, that can be all about the pickleball.

But when you do your 70 album, that can be all about the pickleball.

Have you, in fact, put Pickleball into a rap yet? No, but it's coming. In a weird way, the Pickleball rap is coming for all of us, if you know what I mean. Well, Danny Brown, it is a pleasure to have you. We have, in fact, asked you here to play a game we're calling... Danny Brown meet Dan Brown.

Have you, in fact, put Pickleball into a rap yet? No, but it's coming. In a weird way, the Pickleball rap is coming for all of us, if you know what I mean. Well, Danny Brown, it is a pleasure to have you. We have, in fact, asked you here to play a game we're calling... Danny Brown meet Dan Brown.

So we are going to ask you, Danny Brown, three questions about Dan Brown, the author of The Da Vinci Code and many other bestsellers. Okay, if you get two out of three right, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who is Danny Brown playing for?

So we are going to ask you, Danny Brown, three questions about Dan Brown, the author of The Da Vinci Code and many other bestsellers. Okay, if you get two out of three right, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who is Danny Brown playing for?

Ready to do this?

Ready to do this?

Yeah, I'm telling you, man. I'm sorry, Heather. No, it's all right. Ignorance is absolutely a blessing in this game. You think you know something, that's where you go into trouble. Here we go. So Dan Brown is now one of the best-selling authors of all time. But before that, he tried to make it in the music business.

Yeah, I'm telling you, man. I'm sorry, Heather. No, it's all right. Ignorance is absolutely a blessing in this game. You think you know something, that's where you go into trouble. Here we go. So Dan Brown is now one of the best-selling authors of all time. But before that, he tried to make it in the music business.

As a singer-songwriter, he only sold a few thousand copies of his album, probably because it contained songs like which of these? A, Cypher, a song whose lyrics were a string of letters the listener had to decode. B, a song about pancakes called Flap My Jacks. Or C, an ode to phone sex called 976 Love.

As a singer-songwriter, he only sold a few thousand copies of his album, probably because it contained songs like which of these? A, Cypher, a song whose lyrics were a string of letters the listener had to decode. B, a song about pancakes called Flap My Jacks. Or C, an ode to phone sex called 976 Love.

I was about to say, for people who don't remember 976 numbers, it was like a crude analog OnlyFans. All right. That was very good. You got that. You see, instinct, man. That's where you go with it. After he became famous, Brown's life did change in some surprising ways, like which of these?

I was about to say, for people who don't remember 976 numbers, it was like a crude analog OnlyFans. All right. That was very good. You got that. You see, instinct, man. That's where you go with it. After he became famous, Brown's life did change in some surprising ways, like which of these?

A, when he forgot his ID at the airport, he got through security by showing them his author photo on a copy of The Da Vinci Code. B, he got so much Fandale, he started using it as free bedding in his horse barn. Or C, he was gifted a lifetime supply of communion wafers from the Catholic Church.

A, when he forgot his ID at the airport, he got through security by showing them his author photo on a copy of The Da Vinci Code. B, he got so much Fandale, he started using it as free bedding in his horse barn. Or C, he was gifted a lifetime supply of communion wafers from the Catholic Church.

This was around, he says he drove to Boston Airport from his home in New Hampshire. He's like, oh my God, I'm in line. I don't have my license. What am I going to do? The person in front of him, as everybody was doing at that time, had a copy of the Da Vinci Code. And he said, can I borrow that? And he picked it up and said, that's me. And it was. So he got on the plane.

This was around, he says he drove to Boston Airport from his home in New Hampshire. He's like, oh my God, I'm in line. I don't have my license. What am I going to do? The person in front of him, as everybody was doing at that time, had a copy of the Da Vinci Code. And he said, can I borrow that? And he picked it up and said, that's me. And it was. So he got on the plane.

All right, one more question. You're doing exceptionally well here. There have been tributes to Dan Brown in his work everywhere, as in which of these? A, in 2004, Crayola Crayons unveiled the color Dan Brown. B, in 2006, a judge worked a Dan Brown-style puzzle into his ruling when Dan Brown was sued for plagiarism.

All right, one more question. You're doing exceptionally well here. There have been tributes to Dan Brown in his work everywhere, as in which of these? A, in 2004, Crayola Crayons unveiled the color Dan Brown. B, in 2006, a judge worked a Dan Brown-style puzzle into his ruling when Dan Brown was sued for plagiarism.

Because I think that's the advantage you had over the rest of the contestants. Complete emotional detachment. I don't care. I don't care. So now, so you went to the one top chef, hugely popular winner. You've gone on to do a lot of things. And then they called you up and they said, Padma's retiring. We want you to take over the show.

Because I think that's the advantage you had over the rest of the contestants. Complete emotional detachment. I don't care. I don't care. So now, so you went to the one top chef, hugely popular winner. You've gone on to do a lot of things. And then they called you up and they said, Padma's retiring. We want you to take over the show.

Or C, in honor of his 2013 book Inferno, Brown University went by the name Dan Brown University for an entire semester. Well, I guess I'll go with C. You're going to go with C, that Brown University called itself Dan Brown University. No, it was actually the judge. The judge, you see, if you knew Dan Brown, he's always like hiding codes in his books. It's all about cracking the codes.

Or C, in honor of his 2013 book Inferno, Brown University went by the name Dan Brown University for an entire semester. Well, I guess I'll go with C. You're going to go with C, that Brown University called itself Dan Brown University. No, it was actually the judge. The judge, you see, if you knew Dan Brown, he's always like hiding codes in his books. It's all about cracking the codes.

And the judge did rule, however, that Mr. Brown was not found guilty of plagiarism. So, Bill, how did Danny Brown do in the quiz about Dan Brown? Well, he won with two out of three. That's our winner. Danny Brown is a rapper and host of the Danny Brown Show. His new album, Quaranta, is out now. Danny Brown, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys for having me.

And the judge did rule, however, that Mr. Brown was not found guilty of plagiarism. So, Bill, how did Danny Brown do in the quiz about Dan Brown? Well, he won with two out of three. That's our winner. Danny Brown is a rapper and host of the Danny Brown Show. His new album, Quaranta, is out now. Danny Brown, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys for having me.

Give it up for Austinite Danny Brown. When we come back, we continue our celebration of the year that was with two more stars, one from the NFL and one from Broadway. That's when we're back with more of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

Give it up for Austinite Danny Brown. When we come back, we continue our celebration of the year that was with two more stars, one from the NFL and one from Broadway. That's when we're back with more of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you. This week we are challenging the new year to be as good as the old one, at least for us. Yes, it's a kind of tough love, but how else is it ever going to learn?

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you. This week we are challenging the new year to be as good as the old one, at least for us. Yes, it's a kind of tough love, but how else is it ever going to learn?

2025.

2025.

Our guest today needs no introduction in his hometown of Pittsburgh. Everybody comes up to him and thanks him for his 15 years coaching the hometown team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, leading them to their first Super Bowl win in decades, which may be why he had to move to New York. Coach Bill Cowher, welcome back to Pittsburgh and welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

Our guest today needs no introduction in his hometown of Pittsburgh. Everybody comes up to him and thanks him for his 15 years coaching the hometown team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, leading them to their first Super Bowl win in decades, which may be why he had to move to New York. Coach Bill Cowher, welcome back to Pittsburgh and welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

So I want to establish something first that I wasn't kidding about that, that after you became the hometown hero who took over the team, brought them back to the Super Bowl and won it, it kind of got hard for you to wander around town. Is that right?

So I want to establish something first that I wasn't kidding about that, that after you became the hometown hero who took over the team, brought them back to the Super Bowl and won it, it kind of got hard for you to wander around town. Is that right?

I love the fact that you were yourself a professional football player. You were fearless in the field, but you couldn't handle the Steelers fans in your face. I was one of them at one point.

I love the fact that you were yourself a professional football player. You were fearless in the field, but you couldn't handle the Steelers fans in your face. I was one of them at one point.

Now, you became a coach at a young age, so that means you had to learn quickly what I assume are the essential skills of coaching, which include doing these interviews on the field sometimes and after the game in which you managed to say nothing.

Now, you became a coach at a young age, so that means you had to learn quickly what I assume are the essential skills of coaching, which include doing these interviews on the field sometimes and after the game in which you managed to say nothing.

All right. All right. Okay. So we're going to test you because I'm going to ask you a tough question now in front of this crowd. You're going to show me how it's done. So I understand you have lived many years now in New York City. Yeah. Is New York better than Pittsburgh?

All right. All right. Okay. So we're going to test you because I'm going to ask you a tough question now in front of this crowd. You're going to show me how it's done. So I understand you have lived many years now in New York City. Yeah. Is New York better than Pittsburgh?

I'm good, no, we're good. Well, Coach Cower, we are delighted to talk to you, and we've invited you here to play a game that we like to play, and this time we are calling it... Build Cower, Meet These Cowards. All right. So you clearly have some guts, as you have sown. So we are going to ask you, Bill Cowher, three questions about people who chickened out.

I'm good, no, we're good. Well, Coach Cower, we are delighted to talk to you, and we've invited you here to play a game that we like to play, and this time we are calling it... Build Cower, Meet These Cowards. All right. So you clearly have some guts, as you have sown. So we are going to ask you, Bill Cowher, three questions about people who chickened out.

Get two right, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. Bill, who is Coach Cowher playing for?

Get two right, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. Bill, who is Coach Cowher playing for?

Thank you. Ready to go? Yeah. Here's your first question. Robert Ford, or as he is known to history, the coward Robert Ford, famously shot Jesse James in the back. He was so widely condemned for that act that he spent the next few years doing what? A, finding anyone with the last name James and apologizing to them in case it was a relative. Yes.

Thank you. Ready to go? Yeah. Here's your first question. Robert Ford, or as he is known to history, the coward Robert Ford, famously shot Jesse James in the back. He was so widely condemned for that act that he spent the next few years doing what? A, finding anyone with the last name James and apologizing to them in case it was a relative. Yes.

B, touring the country with his brother, reenacting the murder live on stage, or C, allowing people for a five-cent fee to shoot him in the back with a BB gun? It's hard, isn't it? It is. What was number two? Number two was he toured the country with his brother, reenacting his murder of Jesse James live on stage. Number two. We're going to go with number two. We're going to go with number two.

B, touring the country with his brother, reenacting the murder live on stage, or C, allowing people for a five-cent fee to shoot him in the back with a BB gun? It's hard, isn't it? It is. What was number two? Number two was he toured the country with his brother, reenacting his murder of Jesse James live on stage. Number two. We're going to go with number two. We're going to go with number two.

Second choice. That is correct. That's what he did. They didn't have a lot of options for entertainment back then before pro football. All right. Next question. The producer William Castle made horror movies back in the 50s and 60s, and among his many marketing gimmicks, he once offered customers refunds if his movie was too terrifying for them.

Second choice. That is correct. That's what he did. They didn't have a lot of options for entertainment back then before pro football. All right. Next question. The producer William Castle made horror movies back in the 50s and 60s, and among his many marketing gimmicks, he once offered customers refunds if his movie was too terrifying for them.

So many people took advantage of the deal that Castle finally did what? A, he required people present a genuine pair of wetted pants... to prove how scared they were. B, make them go to his quote, refund office to get it, which he put on the top of a greased hundred foot pole.

So many people took advantage of the deal that Castle finally did what? A, he required people present a genuine pair of wetted pants... to prove how scared they were. B, make them go to his quote, refund office to get it, which he put on the top of a greased hundred foot pole.

Or C, forced anyone who asked for that refund to go sit in the coward's corner where a recorded voice would yell, watch the chicken, watch him shiver in coward's corner.

Or C, forced anyone who asked for that refund to go sit in the coward's corner where a recorded voice would yell, watch the chicken, watch him shiver in coward's corner.

And how did you find the, of course, necessary moment at the end of every episode where someone has to go home? Do you use the famous catchphrase, pack your knives and go? Oh.

And how did you find the, of course, necessary moment at the end of every episode where someone has to go home? Do you use the famous catchphrase, pack your knives and go? Oh.

So not only that, not only that. It's a coward's corner. Coward's corner. You can have coward's corner on the show if you want. But no, not only did he do that, but in order to get to coward's corner, you had to walk down a path with the sign cowards keep walking. And they had a quote nurse to take your blood pressure. All right, last question. You can go for perfect and win it all.

So not only that, not only that. It's a coward's corner. Coward's corner. You can have coward's corner on the show if you want. But no, not only did he do that, but in order to get to coward's corner, you had to walk down a path with the sign cowards keep walking. And they had a quote nurse to take your blood pressure. All right, last question. You can go for perfect and win it all.

Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor, was not known for cowardice, but he did run away once from what? A, a group of schoolchildren making fun of him for putting his hand in his jacket like that all the time. B, a horde of a thousand hungry rabbits. Or C, a bunch of taller officers who liked to rest their drinks on his head. A. A. You're going to go for A. All right.

Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor, was not known for cowardice, but he did run away once from what? A, a group of schoolchildren making fun of him for putting his hand in his jacket like that all the time. B, a horde of a thousand hungry rabbits. Or C, a bunch of taller officers who liked to rest their drinks on his head. A. A. You're going to go for A. All right.

Let me try your style of coaching here. A? You think the answer is A?

Let me try your style of coaching here. A? You think the answer is A?

B. It's B. It's A. Yes. For relaxation one day, the emperor went out and was supposed to be at one of these arranged hunts for aristocrats where they would release the rabbits, but the rabbits, who were domestic, thought they were going to get fed, so they rushed the party of hunters. And Napoleon and his retinue all ran away.

B. It's B. It's A. Yes. For relaxation one day, the emperor went out and was supposed to be at one of these arranged hunts for aristocrats where they would release the rabbits, but the rabbits, who were domestic, thought they were going to get fed, so they rushed the party of hunters. And Napoleon and his retinue all ran away.

Bill Cowher is the Super Bowl winning former coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Bill Cowher, thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Give it up for the coach. Finally, one of my personal highlights of the year was talking to Renee Elise Goldsberry, who I had seen on Broadway in the original cast of Hamilton.

Bill Cowher is the Super Bowl winning former coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Bill Cowher, thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Give it up for the coach. Finally, one of my personal highlights of the year was talking to Renee Elise Goldsberry, who I had seen on Broadway in the original cast of Hamilton.

We can get into that because there's a moment in the finale of season one of Girls5ever where somebody says to your character, as they offer you some presumably great job, for the rest of your life, people in sweatshirts will come up to you in restaurants and ask for a selfie. And I'm like, that's probably true. Is that like, is that your life? Can you go out?

We can get into that because there's a moment in the finale of season one of Girls5ever where somebody says to your character, as they offer you some presumably great job, for the rest of your life, people in sweatshirts will come up to you in restaurants and ask for a selfie. And I'm like, that's probably true. Is that like, is that your life? Can you go out?

All right. Girls 5 Ever is about a girl group from like the early 2000s that broke up and they're trying to get back together in the present day. And we found out you were actually in a girl group, weren't you?

All right. Girls 5 Ever is about a girl group from like the early 2000s that broke up and they're trying to get back together in the present day. And we found out you were actually in a girl group, weren't you?

Yeah. Well, your name is Goldberry.

Yeah. Well, your name is Goldberry.

So, your name obviously put us in mind of buried gold, hidden treasure. We're going to ask you three questions about the people who search for it. If you get two right, you'll win a prize from one of our listeners, a pirate chest containing a voicemail. Bill, who is Renee Elise Goldberry playing for?

So, your name obviously put us in mind of buried gold, hidden treasure. We're going to ask you three questions about the people who search for it. If you get two right, you'll win a prize from one of our listeners, a pirate chest containing a voicemail. Bill, who is Renee Elise Goldberry playing for?

You filmed the next season of Top Chef will take place entirely here in Milwaukee and other areas of Wisconsin. Chefs from all over the country flew here to compete. And how many episodes were there? Are there? I have no idea. You don't. A lot of episodes. No. So, like, 20 episodes. How many of them are entirely about cheese curds?

You filmed the next season of Top Chef will take place entirely here in Milwaukee and other areas of Wisconsin. Chefs from all over the country flew here to compete. And how many episodes were there? Are there? I have no idea. You don't. A lot of episodes. No. So, like, 20 episodes. How many of them are entirely about cheese curds?

All right, here we go. In 1979, a man named Kit Williams published Masquerade, a picture book that was also a complicated puzzle concealing the location of a real golden treasure buried somewhere in Britain. Now, the treasure wasn't discovered until 1982. How did the winner find it? A, he just walked up to a random bench in a public park and checked to see if there was anything under it.

All right, here we go. In 1979, a man named Kit Williams published Masquerade, a picture book that was also a complicated puzzle concealing the location of a real golden treasure buried somewhere in Britain. Now, the treasure wasn't discovered until 1982. How did the winner find it? A, he just walked up to a random bench in a public park and checked to see if there was anything under it.

B, he programmed an Apple II computer to solve it and then just waited three years for it to finish. Or C, he started dating Kit Williams' ex-girlfriend who just told him where it was.

B, he programmed an Apple II computer to solve it and then just waited three years for it to finish. Or C, he started dating Kit Williams' ex-girlfriend who just told him where it was.

Yes, that's right. So if you do want to hide a treasure in a nationwide contest, don't tell your girlfriend where it is. All right, here's your next question. Tommy G. Thompson was a treasure hunter who found the most valuable shipwreck in America, a ship that had been carrying gold from the California Gold Rush.

Yes, that's right. So if you do want to hide a treasure in a nationwide contest, don't tell your girlfriend where it is. All right, here's your next question. Tommy G. Thompson was a treasure hunter who found the most valuable shipwreck in America, a ship that had been carrying gold from the California Gold Rush.

He then ran away with the treasure, and authorities say they found evidence he had been planning to disappear for a while. What did they find? A, a deluxe child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch missing. B, a book titled How to Be Invisible. Or C, a series of fake IDs, each with the name of a Harry Potter character?

He then ran away with the treasure, and authorities say they found evidence he had been planning to disappear for a while. What did they find? A, a deluxe child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch missing. B, a book titled How to Be Invisible. Or C, a series of fake IDs, each with the name of a Harry Potter character?

A. A. You're going to go for the child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch. Okay. It was actually be a book called how to be invisible That way now it was a good book because they couldn't find him for two years and this is what Interesting they found him back in like 2010 and they still haven't found where he put the gold so if you're out there look around and

A. A. You're going to go for the child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch. Okay. It was actually be a book called how to be invisible That way now it was a good book because they couldn't find him for two years and this is what Interesting they found him back in like 2010 and they still haven't found where he put the gold so if you're out there look around and

All right, here's your last question. If you get this, you win. In 2018, two British friends using metal detectors found $250,000 worth of ancient Roman coins, but they were very disappointed when what happened after that? A, they shipped the coins home on a boat, which sank. B, the mayor of Rome sued to get them back because they were Roman and he won.

All right, here's your last question. If you get this, you win. In 2018, two British friends using metal detectors found $250,000 worth of ancient Roman coins, but they were very disappointed when what happened after that? A, they shipped the coins home on a boat, which sank. B, the mayor of Rome sued to get them back because they were Roman and he won.

Renee Elise Goldsberry stars on Girls 5 Ever on Netflix. It's hilarious. Season 3 is out now. Renee Elise Goldsberry, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

Renee Elise Goldsberry stars on Girls 5 Ever on Netflix. It's hilarious. Season 3 is out now. Renee Elise Goldsberry, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

That's it for our Beat This 2025 edition. We'll see if the new year can live up to the standards set by the old one. But before that, let me tell you that. Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Aircraft Productions, Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord. Philip Godeker writes our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman.

That's it for our Beat This 2025 edition. We'll see if the new year can live up to the standards set by the old one. But before that, let me tell you that. Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Aircraft Productions, Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord. Philip Godeker writes our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman.

Our tour manager is Shana Donald. BJ Lederman composed our theme. Our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Miles Drombas, and Lillian King. Special thanks to Monica Hickey. Peter Gwynn is our big glittery ball descending on Times Square. Our five curator is Emma Choi. Technical direction is from Lorna White. Our CFO is Colin Miller. Our production manager is Robert Newhouse.

Our tour manager is Shana Donald. BJ Lederman composed our theme. Our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Miles Drombas, and Lillian King. Special thanks to Monica Hickey. Peter Gwynn is our big glittery ball descending on Times Square. Our five curator is Emma Choi. Technical direction is from Lorna White. Our CFO is Colin Miller. Our production manager is Robert Newhouse.

Our senior producer is Ian Chilaga. And the executive producer of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is Mr. Michael Danforth. Thanks to everybody you heard this week. All of our panelists, our special guests, and of course, Mr. Bill Curtis. Thanks to all of you for listening. I'm Peter Sagal. We'll be back next week. This is NPR.

Our senior producer is Ian Chilaga. And the executive producer of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is Mr. Michael Danforth. Thanks to everybody you heard this week. All of our panelists, our special guests, and of course, Mr. Bill Curtis. Thanks to all of you for listening. I'm Peter Sagal. We'll be back next week. This is NPR.

And most people don't know this, but when you arrive at Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee, you are greeted with strings of cheese curds that they place around your neck as the traditional welcome here. It's very nice.

And most people don't know this, but when you arrive at Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee, you are greeted with strings of cheese curds that they place around your neck as the traditional welcome here. It's very nice.

Well, Christian Kish, we are so delighted you came back to Milwaukee to join us. And we have asked you here specifically to play our competition. And this time we are calling it Top Chef Meet the Top Jeff. You host Top Chef, so we thought we'd ask you about the world's top Jeff, Jeff Bezos.

Well, Christian Kish, we are so delighted you came back to Milwaukee to join us. And we have asked you here specifically to play our competition. And this time we are calling it Top Chef Meet the Top Jeff. You host Top Chef, so we thought we'd ask you about the world's top Jeff, Jeff Bezos.

Answer two out of three questions correctly about the founder of Amazon, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. So, Bill, who is Chef Kish playing for?

Answer two out of three questions correctly about the founder of Amazon, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. So, Bill, who is Chef Kish playing for?

Did you get down to Racine while you were here and get a Kringle? I can't say anything.

Did you get down to Racine while you were here and get a Kringle? I can't say anything.

It's all secret.

It's all secret.

Here we go. Let's see how you do. Here's your first question. To demonstrate his personal philosophy of how one succeeds in business, Jeff Bezos once did what? A, actually stole candy from a baby. B, ate an octopus for breakfast, or C, drove his Mercedes S-Class the wrong way down I-5 in Seattle?

Here we go. Let's see how you do. Here's your first question. To demonstrate his personal philosophy of how one succeeds in business, Jeff Bezos once did what? A, actually stole candy from a baby. B, ate an octopus for breakfast, or C, drove his Mercedes S-Class the wrong way down I-5 in Seattle?

So what happened was, is he ate this octopus for breakfast at breakfast with the head of a company he wanted to acquire. And then Bezos said, and I quote, you are the octopus I'm having for breakfast. When I look at the menu, you're the thing I don't understand, the thing I've never had. I must have the breakfast octopus. That was Bond villain. It really was. Wow.

So what happened was, is he ate this octopus for breakfast at breakfast with the head of a company he wanted to acquire. And then Bezos said, and I quote, you are the octopus I'm having for breakfast. When I look at the menu, you're the thing I don't understand, the thing I've never had. I must have the breakfast octopus. That was Bond villain. It really was. Wow.

All right, here's your next question. Jeff Bezos is not the only famous member of his family. His biological father, Ted Jorgensen, also had a claim to fame. What? A, he was the most beloved small independent bookstore owner in Seattle until Amazon put him out of business. B, he invented the male cosmetic buttock implant.

All right, here's your next question. Jeff Bezos is not the only famous member of his family. His biological father, Ted Jorgensen, also had a claim to fame. What? A, he was the most beloved small independent bookstore owner in Seattle until Amazon put him out of business. B, he invented the male cosmetic buttock implant.

Or C, he was an avid unicyclist who founded the world's first unicycle hockey club.

Or C, he was an avid unicyclist who founded the world's first unicycle hockey club.

The answer is always C. Wait, how many do I have to get right?

The answer is always C. Wait, how many do I have to get right?

Okay. This is just like Top Chef. You lost, but you're not out of chances. You can come back and win it all.

Okay. This is just like Top Chef. You lost, but you're not out of chances. You can come back and win it all.

2024 is finally over, thank goodness, but we're hoping to delay finding out what 2025 has in store by staying in bed with the lights off.

2024 is finally over, thank goodness, but we're hoping to delay finding out what 2025 has in store by staying in bed with the lights off.

Tied game with this team rival. You're fouled. Game's in the line. You're at the free throw line. Go.

Tied game with this team rival. You're fouled. Game's in the line. You're at the free throw line. Go.

Come on, Triggers. All right. Here's your last question. Get this right, you win.

Come on, Triggers. All right. Here's your last question. Get this right, you win.

You get this one right, you win. So Jeff Bezos is famous for insulting his employees whenever they displease him, which apparently they do a lot. Which of these is a real insult that Jeff Bezos has been reported to shout at his underlings? A, I'm sorry. Did I take my stupid pills today? B, if I hear that again, I'm going to have to kill myself. Or C, why are you wasting my life?

You get this one right, you win. So Jeff Bezos is famous for insulting his employees whenever they displease him, which apparently they do a lot. Which of these is a real insult that Jeff Bezos has been reported to shout at his underlings? A, I'm sorry. Did I take my stupid pills today? B, if I hear that again, I'm going to have to kill myself. Or C, why are you wasting my life?

All of them is the correct I have had a lot of wonderful people in the show. I've never been on such an emotional journey before But hey, it's no, wait a minute. The demon has not banished until Bill says the words. Bill, how did Kristen Kish do in our show? Two out of three. You won.

All of them is the correct I have had a lot of wonderful people in the show. I've never been on such an emotional journey before But hey, it's no, wait a minute. The demon has not banished until Bill says the words. Bill, how did Kristen Kish do in our show? Two out of three. You won.

Kristen Kish is a Top Chef winner and the show's new host. The latest season filmed in Milwaukee will air on Bravo this spring.

Kristen Kish is a Top Chef winner and the show's new host. The latest season filmed in Milwaukee will air on Bravo this spring.

And just for fun, here's a panel question that we've never broadcast before. Joelle, the movie Wicked just came out.

And just for fun, here's a panel question that we've never broadcast before. Joelle, the movie Wicked just came out.

Oh, you did? I did. I'm special. Then I bet you'll be able to figure this out quickly. The New York Times is reporting that some movie theaters have had to crack down on all the theatergoers doing what?

Oh, you did? I did. I'm special. Then I bet you'll be able to figure this out quickly. The New York Times is reporting that some movie theaters have had to crack down on all the theatergoers doing what?

So many fans have complained about all the other fans singing at the screenings that some theaters have started posting signs saying they will have dedicated sing-along screenings, so would you please shut up at this one? The singers, meanwhile... are undeterred.

So many fans have complained about all the other fans singing at the screenings that some theaters have started posting signs saying they will have dedicated sing-along screenings, so would you please shut up at this one? The singers, meanwhile... are undeterred.

I was about to say to Joelle, you say you're fine with it. Wait till you hear my version of Defying Gravity. When we come back, an economist who won a Nobel and a rapper who cannot win at pickleball. That's when we're back with more Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

I was about to say to Joelle, you say you're fine with it. Wait till you hear my version of Defying Gravity. When we come back, an economist who won a Nobel and a rapper who cannot win at pickleball. That's when we're back with more Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

While we try to remain blissfully unaware that a new year has even begun, we want to salvage the reputation of the last one a little by bringing you some of the highlights of our show. Let's start with Kristen Kish, who joined us in Milwaukee, where she had just filmed her first season as the new host of Top Chef.

While we try to remain blissfully unaware that a new year has even begun, we want to salvage the reputation of the last one a little by bringing you some of the highlights of our show. Let's start with Kristen Kish, who joined us in Milwaukee, where she had just filmed her first season as the new host of Top Chef.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you all so much. We're spending the first week of the new year lost in nostalgia for the old one. Consider it a challenge, you baby year.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you all so much. We're spending the first week of the new year lost in nostalgia for the old one. Consider it a challenge, you baby year.

First of all, I guess it's not that long ago, so we can still congratulate you on the Nobel. Oh, thank you.

First of all, I guess it's not that long ago, so we can still congratulate you on the Nobel. Oh, thank you.

Well, I mean, you know, it was just last year, you know, it's still fresh. Can you tell us about the experience of getting the call?

Well, I mean, you know, it was just last year, you know, it's still fresh. Can you tell us about the experience of getting the call?

Now, we should establish, by the way, that you are speaking to us from your home and with you and is your husband, Larry. Hello. The great labor economist. The great labor economist.

Now, we should establish, by the way, that you are speaking to us from your home and with you and is your husband, Larry. Hello. The great labor economist. The great labor economist.

That doesn't sound like a prize. It sounds like a threat. Hello, this is the Nobel Committee. In 90 minutes, there will be a press conference. And what did you do, Professor?

That doesn't sound like a prize. It sounds like a threat. Hello, this is the Nobel Committee. In 90 minutes, there will be a press conference. And what did you do, Professor?

Now, the Nobel Prize in Economics, or the Nobel Memorial Medal in Economics, is awarded separately from the other Nobel Prizes. Who has better parties, the economists or all those lame scientists?

Now, the Nobel Prize in Economics, or the Nobel Memorial Medal in Economics, is awarded separately from the other Nobel Prizes. Who has better parties, the economists or all those lame scientists?

That's right. That is, in fact. Now, I wanted to ask about your husband, who, again, I just want to let everybody know we have you on screen here, and he is sitting directly behind your shoulder, staring at us. He is also an acclaimed economist. And we recently had, I know, your good friend, Janet Yellen, also an economist, Secretary of the Treasury. She is also married to an economist.

That's right. That is, in fact. Now, I wanted to ask about your husband, who, again, I just want to let everybody know we have you on screen here, and he is sitting directly behind your shoulder, staring at us. He is also an acclaimed economist. And we recently had, I know, your good friend, Janet Yellen, also an economist, Secretary of the Treasury. She is also married to an economist.

So... Let's jump right in. You won your season of Top Chef after fighting your way through a redemption round. And a big turning point for you in the show was you were all challenged to prepare this seafood specialty in Seattle, the gooey duck. Correct. And I don't know if I will ever recover watching.

So... Let's jump right in. You won your season of Top Chef after fighting your way through a redemption round. And a big turning point for you in the show was you were all challenged to prepare this seafood specialty in Seattle, the gooey duck. Correct. And I don't know if I will ever recover watching.

Are all economists married to other economists? Yes.

Are all economists married to other economists? Yes.

By the way, answering my question about are all economists married to other economists with a breakdown of the data of the numbers of female versus male economists and thus the different proportions of marriages is such an economist way to answer. Now, before we get to the game, we heard that you asked a chatbot to predict what we would ask you about. And, well, what did it say?

So the chat bot thought I would ask you about your true passion in competitive yodeling. Is that by any chance your true passion?

Well, Claudia Golden, we've asked you to play a game we're calling... Economy? How about first class? You know the economy, but we're going to ask you about a guy who knows first class. Tom Stuker, who is the most traveled airline passenger in history, and he did every one of those 23 million miles in first class.

Answer two or three questions about Mr. Stuker, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who's Professor Golden playing for? Laurie Craig of Olympia, Washington. All right. Here's the first question for the both of you. Mr. Stuker started his odyssey when he bought a lifelong pass for unlimited first-class travel from United in 1990 for $290,000.

As you can imagine, having flown farther than any other human being in the decades since, he has lots of advice for travelers, including which of these? A, despite what you've heard, people like it when you take off your shoes on planes. B, always lie to the chief flight attendant that you remember them. Or C, air sickness bags make great hand puppets for the kids.

B. You're going to say B. Hold on. Larry, can you hear me? You concur in the choice of B. Yes. Big nod from Larry. You're both right. Yes. Yes. He says that when you meet the chief flight attendant as you walk onto the plane, say, oh, hi, I remember you from my last flight. You were so great. It's great to see you again.

Now, they, of course, don't remember you, but they're not going to admit that. So instead, they will just treat you exceptionally well during the flight. Word to the wise. All right. Two more questions.

Because he has earned frequent flyer miles with every flight, he's also been able to swap those miles for all kinds of goods and services, meaning that Mr. Tom Stooker once used frequent flyer miles to get himself a what? A, an entirely new face from a plastic surgeon, B, a guest spot on the TV show Seinfeld, or C, a majority ownership stake in United Airlines. Okay, Seinfeld. It's Seinfeld.

Yes, that's right.

No, he donated his miles to a fundraiser, and the prize was a guest spot on Seinfeld. So you can see him in the episode in which George's fiancée dies from licking envelopes. All right, here's your last question. Despite what you might think, United Airlines doesn't mind him costing them millions of dollars in free flights. In fact, they once did what for him?

A, they let him pilot the plane, part of a trip from Dallas to Hawaii, but quote, only over the ocean. B, they let him be CEO of United for a day, which is why the airline went from giving people peanuts to the much superior Stroopwafels. Or C, they named not one, but two aircraft after him. It's got to be C. That's right.

It is C. Next time you see United Aircraft, check to see if it says Thomas R. Stuker customer on the fuselage. Bill, how did Dr. Claudia Golden and her husband Larry do in our quiz?

Dr. Claudia Golden is a Nobel Prize winner and the Henry Lee Professor of Economics at Harvard University. Dr. Golden, thank you so much. We know that 2025 is already intimidated by everything we have played so far, so let's hit it when it's down. We went to Austin, Texas last February and talked with rapper Danny Brown.

Danny had moved there after revolutionizing hip-hop in his hometown of Detroit. Peter asked him about his distinct style. You do something that I don't think a lot of the people in your field do is that you use different voices when you rap, right?

Do you have, like, names for your voices that you use? Like, these are verses that this guy's going to do? Yeah, I guess.

Oh, okay.

It's so fascinating. That's fascinating. So we were reading about you. You grew up in Detroit, and you said that you were rhyming almost as soon as you could talk, right?

Yeah, he was killing him on the playground, green eggs and ham. You feel me? Yeah.

You also won a lot of rap battles in high school, right?

Let him know. What kind of contract does that guy have? Is there like a secret weapon to winning rap battles? Because I couldn't on a bet.

That was the Adderall voice right there.

Yeah, that was it. So you had this huge album about 10 years ago when you were about 30 called XXX or 30, right? Yeah. And you have a new album, Quaranta, Italian. Quaranta. Quaranta, excuse me.

You got a row to R. Quaranta. See, he battling you already. You didn't even know it.

So you albumed 30 when you were 30 and Italian for 40 when you're 40. Has Adele ever called to say, you're stealing my bit?

Really? But for the most part, she was pretty cool. She was nice, yeah. And it was when you all first met?

Yeah. Yeah, it was like first thing.

Speaking of which, if you don't know about your struggles with addiction and substances and drink and stuff, you can find out about it because Quaranta, let me get that right, It has a lot of verses about your struggles and some regrets. I mean, it's like a, it's a, forgive me, it's like an older guy's rap album, right? Yeah, it was a midlife crisis.

Speaking of midlife crisis, we understand that you, among your many enthusiasms these days, you're into pickleball.

That's not fair, bruh.

Beautiful. It's a very easy procedure. You do that, you give it a fountain pen, and you move on.

So I fell in love with it, so I'm playing. Are you planning to get good, go back to the old album?

I feel like those old folks, they pride themselves on baiting young people into the sport. Yes, they did.

But when you do your 70 album, that can be all about the pickleball.

Have you, in fact, put Pickleball into a rap yet? No, but it's coming. In a weird way, the Pickleball rap is coming for all of us, if you know what I mean. Well, Danny Brown, it is a pleasure to have you. We have, in fact, asked you here to play a game we're calling... Danny Brown meet Dan Brown.

So we are going to ask you, Danny Brown, three questions about Dan Brown, the author of The Da Vinci Code and many other bestsellers. Okay, if you get two out of three right, you will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who is Danny Brown playing for?

Ready to do this?

Yeah, I'm telling you, man. I'm sorry, Heather. No, it's all right. Ignorance is absolutely a blessing in this game. You think you know something, that's where you go into trouble. Here we go. So Dan Brown is now one of the best-selling authors of all time. But before that, he tried to make it in the music business.

As a singer-songwriter, he only sold a few thousand copies of his album, probably because it contained songs like which of these? A, Cypher, a song whose lyrics were a string of letters the listener had to decode. B, a song about pancakes called Flap My Jacks. Or C, an ode to phone sex called 976 Love.

I was about to say, for people who don't remember 976 numbers, it was like a crude analog OnlyFans. All right. That was very good. You got that. You see, instinct, man. That's where you go with it. After he became famous, Brown's life did change in some surprising ways, like which of these?

A, when he forgot his ID at the airport, he got through security by showing them his author photo on a copy of The Da Vinci Code. B, he got so much Fandale, he started using it as free bedding in his horse barn. Or C, he was gifted a lifetime supply of communion wafers from the Catholic Church.

This was around, he says he drove to Boston Airport from his home in New Hampshire. He's like, oh my God, I'm in line. I don't have my license. What am I going to do? The person in front of him, as everybody was doing at that time, had a copy of the Da Vinci Code. And he said, can I borrow that? And he picked it up and said, that's me. And it was. So he got on the plane.

All right, one more question. You're doing exceptionally well here. There have been tributes to Dan Brown in his work everywhere, as in which of these? A, in 2004, Crayola Crayons unveiled the color Dan Brown. B, in 2006, a judge worked a Dan Brown-style puzzle into his ruling when Dan Brown was sued for plagiarism.

Because I think that's the advantage you had over the rest of the contestants. Complete emotional detachment. I don't care. I don't care. So now, so you went to the one top chef, hugely popular winner. You've gone on to do a lot of things. And then they called you up and they said, Padma's retiring. We want you to take over the show.

Or C, in honor of his 2013 book Inferno, Brown University went by the name Dan Brown University for an entire semester. Well, I guess I'll go with C. You're going to go with C, that Brown University called itself Dan Brown University. No, it was actually the judge. The judge, you see, if you knew Dan Brown, he's always like hiding codes in his books. It's all about cracking the codes.

And the judge did rule, however, that Mr. Brown was not found guilty of plagiarism. So, Bill, how did Danny Brown do in the quiz about Dan Brown? Well, he won with two out of three. That's our winner. Danny Brown is a rapper and host of the Danny Brown Show. His new album, Quaranta, is out now. Danny Brown, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys for having me.

Give it up for Austinite Danny Brown. When we come back, we continue our celebration of the year that was with two more stars, one from the NFL and one from Broadway. That's when we're back with more of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you. This week we are challenging the new year to be as good as the old one, at least for us. Yes, it's a kind of tough love, but how else is it ever going to learn?

2025.

Our guest today needs no introduction in his hometown of Pittsburgh. Everybody comes up to him and thanks him for his 15 years coaching the hometown team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, leading them to their first Super Bowl win in decades, which may be why he had to move to New York. Coach Bill Cowher, welcome back to Pittsburgh and welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

So I want to establish something first that I wasn't kidding about that, that after you became the hometown hero who took over the team, brought them back to the Super Bowl and won it, it kind of got hard for you to wander around town. Is that right?

I love the fact that you were yourself a professional football player. You were fearless in the field, but you couldn't handle the Steelers fans in your face. I was one of them at one point.

Now, you became a coach at a young age, so that means you had to learn quickly what I assume are the essential skills of coaching, which include doing these interviews on the field sometimes and after the game in which you managed to say nothing.

All right. All right. Okay. So we're going to test you because I'm going to ask you a tough question now in front of this crowd. You're going to show me how it's done. So I understand you have lived many years now in New York City. Yeah. Is New York better than Pittsburgh?

I'm good, no, we're good. Well, Coach Cower, we are delighted to talk to you, and we've invited you here to play a game that we like to play, and this time we are calling it... Build Cower, Meet These Cowards. All right. So you clearly have some guts, as you have sown. So we are going to ask you, Bill Cowher, three questions about people who chickened out.

Get two right, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. Bill, who is Coach Cowher playing for?

Thank you. Ready to go? Yeah. Here's your first question. Robert Ford, or as he is known to history, the coward Robert Ford, famously shot Jesse James in the back. He was so widely condemned for that act that he spent the next few years doing what? A, finding anyone with the last name James and apologizing to them in case it was a relative. Yes.

B, touring the country with his brother, reenacting the murder live on stage, or C, allowing people for a five-cent fee to shoot him in the back with a BB gun? It's hard, isn't it? It is. What was number two? Number two was he toured the country with his brother, reenacting his murder of Jesse James live on stage. Number two. We're going to go with number two. We're going to go with number two.

Second choice. That is correct. That's what he did. They didn't have a lot of options for entertainment back then before pro football. All right. Next question. The producer William Castle made horror movies back in the 50s and 60s, and among his many marketing gimmicks, he once offered customers refunds if his movie was too terrifying for them.

So many people took advantage of the deal that Castle finally did what? A, he required people present a genuine pair of wetted pants... to prove how scared they were. B, make them go to his quote, refund office to get it, which he put on the top of a greased hundred foot pole.

Or C, forced anyone who asked for that refund to go sit in the coward's corner where a recorded voice would yell, watch the chicken, watch him shiver in coward's corner.

And how did you find the, of course, necessary moment at the end of every episode where someone has to go home? Do you use the famous catchphrase, pack your knives and go? Oh.

So not only that, not only that. It's a coward's corner. Coward's corner. You can have coward's corner on the show if you want. But no, not only did he do that, but in order to get to coward's corner, you had to walk down a path with the sign cowards keep walking. And they had a quote nurse to take your blood pressure. All right, last question. You can go for perfect and win it all.

Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor, was not known for cowardice, but he did run away once from what? A, a group of schoolchildren making fun of him for putting his hand in his jacket like that all the time. B, a horde of a thousand hungry rabbits. Or C, a bunch of taller officers who liked to rest their drinks on his head. A. A. You're going to go for A. All right.

Let me try your style of coaching here. A? You think the answer is A?

B. It's B. It's A. Yes. For relaxation one day, the emperor went out and was supposed to be at one of these arranged hunts for aristocrats where they would release the rabbits, but the rabbits, who were domestic, thought they were going to get fed, so they rushed the party of hunters. And Napoleon and his retinue all ran away.

Bill Cowher is the Super Bowl winning former coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Bill Cowher, thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Give it up for the coach. Finally, one of my personal highlights of the year was talking to Renee Elise Goldsberry, who I had seen on Broadway in the original cast of Hamilton.

We can get into that because there's a moment in the finale of season one of Girls5ever where somebody says to your character, as they offer you some presumably great job, for the rest of your life, people in sweatshirts will come up to you in restaurants and ask for a selfie. And I'm like, that's probably true. Is that like, is that your life? Can you go out?

All right. Girls 5 Ever is about a girl group from like the early 2000s that broke up and they're trying to get back together in the present day. And we found out you were actually in a girl group, weren't you?

Yeah. Well, your name is Goldberry.

So, your name obviously put us in mind of buried gold, hidden treasure. We're going to ask you three questions about the people who search for it. If you get two right, you'll win a prize from one of our listeners, a pirate chest containing a voicemail. Bill, who is Renee Elise Goldberry playing for?

You filmed the next season of Top Chef will take place entirely here in Milwaukee and other areas of Wisconsin. Chefs from all over the country flew here to compete. And how many episodes were there? Are there? I have no idea. You don't. A lot of episodes. No. So, like, 20 episodes. How many of them are entirely about cheese curds?

All right, here we go. In 1979, a man named Kit Williams published Masquerade, a picture book that was also a complicated puzzle concealing the location of a real golden treasure buried somewhere in Britain. Now, the treasure wasn't discovered until 1982. How did the winner find it? A, he just walked up to a random bench in a public park and checked to see if there was anything under it.

B, he programmed an Apple II computer to solve it and then just waited three years for it to finish. Or C, he started dating Kit Williams' ex-girlfriend who just told him where it was.

Yes, that's right. So if you do want to hide a treasure in a nationwide contest, don't tell your girlfriend where it is. All right, here's your next question. Tommy G. Thompson was a treasure hunter who found the most valuable shipwreck in America, a ship that had been carrying gold from the California Gold Rush.

He then ran away with the treasure, and authorities say they found evidence he had been planning to disappear for a while. What did they find? A, a deluxe child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch missing. B, a book titled How to Be Invisible. Or C, a series of fake IDs, each with the name of a Harry Potter character?

A. A. You're going to go for the child's disguise kit with the fake mustache and eye patch. Okay. It was actually be a book called how to be invisible That way now it was a good book because they couldn't find him for two years and this is what Interesting they found him back in like 2010 and they still haven't found where he put the gold so if you're out there look around and

All right, here's your last question. If you get this, you win. In 2018, two British friends using metal detectors found $250,000 worth of ancient Roman coins, but they were very disappointed when what happened after that? A, they shipped the coins home on a boat, which sank. B, the mayor of Rome sued to get them back because they were Roman and he won.

Renee Elise Goldsberry stars on Girls 5 Ever on Netflix. It's hilarious. Season 3 is out now. Renee Elise Goldsberry, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you.

That's it for our Beat This 2025 edition. We'll see if the new year can live up to the standards set by the old one. But before that, let me tell you that. Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Aircraft Productions, Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord. Philip Godeker writes our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman.

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And most people don't know this, but when you arrive at Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee, you are greeted with strings of cheese curds that they place around your neck as the traditional welcome here. It's very nice.

Well, Christian Kish, we are so delighted you came back to Milwaukee to join us. And we have asked you here specifically to play our competition. And this time we are calling it Top Chef Meet the Top Jeff. You host Top Chef, so we thought we'd ask you about the world's top Jeff, Jeff Bezos.

Answer two out of three questions correctly about the founder of Amazon, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. So, Bill, who is Chef Kish playing for?

Did you get down to Racine while you were here and get a Kringle? I can't say anything.

It's all secret.

Here we go. Let's see how you do. Here's your first question. To demonstrate his personal philosophy of how one succeeds in business, Jeff Bezos once did what? A, actually stole candy from a baby. B, ate an octopus for breakfast, or C, drove his Mercedes S-Class the wrong way down I-5 in Seattle?

So what happened was, is he ate this octopus for breakfast at breakfast with the head of a company he wanted to acquire. And then Bezos said, and I quote, you are the octopus I'm having for breakfast. When I look at the menu, you're the thing I don't understand, the thing I've never had. I must have the breakfast octopus. That was Bond villain. It really was. Wow.

All right, here's your next question. Jeff Bezos is not the only famous member of his family. His biological father, Ted Jorgensen, also had a claim to fame. What? A, he was the most beloved small independent bookstore owner in Seattle until Amazon put him out of business. B, he invented the male cosmetic buttock implant.

Or C, he was an avid unicyclist who founded the world's first unicycle hockey club.

The answer is always C. Wait, how many do I have to get right?

Okay. This is just like Top Chef. You lost, but you're not out of chances. You can come back and win it all.

2024 is finally over, thank goodness, but we're hoping to delay finding out what 2025 has in store by staying in bed with the lights off.

Tied game with this team rival. You're fouled. Game's in the line. You're at the free throw line. Go.

Come on, Triggers. All right. Here's your last question. Get this right, you win.

You get this one right, you win. So Jeff Bezos is famous for insulting his employees whenever they displease him, which apparently they do a lot. Which of these is a real insult that Jeff Bezos has been reported to shout at his underlings? A, I'm sorry. Did I take my stupid pills today? B, if I hear that again, I'm going to have to kill myself. Or C, why are you wasting my life?

All of them is the correct I have had a lot of wonderful people in the show. I've never been on such an emotional journey before But hey, it's no, wait a minute. The demon has not banished until Bill says the words. Bill, how did Kristen Kish do in our show? Two out of three. You won.

Kristen Kish is a Top Chef winner and the show's new host. The latest season filmed in Milwaukee will air on Bravo this spring.

And just for fun, here's a panel question that we've never broadcast before. Joelle, the movie Wicked just came out.

Oh, you did? I did. I'm special. Then I bet you'll be able to figure this out quickly. The New York Times is reporting that some movie theaters have had to crack down on all the theatergoers doing what?

So many fans have complained about all the other fans singing at the screenings that some theaters have started posting signs saying they will have dedicated sing-along screenings, so would you please shut up at this one? The singers, meanwhile... are undeterred.

I was about to say to Joelle, you say you're fine with it. Wait till you hear my version of Defying Gravity. When we come back, an economist who won a Nobel and a rapper who cannot win at pickleball. That's when we're back with more Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

While we try to remain blissfully unaware that a new year has even begun, we want to salvage the reputation of the last one a little by bringing you some of the highlights of our show. Let's start with Kristen Kish, who joined us in Milwaukee, where she had just filmed her first season as the new host of Top Chef.

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you all so much. We're spending the first week of the new year lost in nostalgia for the old one. Consider it a challenge, you baby year.

First of all, I guess it's not that long ago, so we can still congratulate you on the Nobel. Oh, thank you.

Well, I mean, you know, it was just last year, you know, it's still fresh. Can you tell us about the experience of getting the call?

Now, we should establish, by the way, that you are speaking to us from your home and with you and is your husband, Larry. Hello. The great labor economist. The great labor economist.

That doesn't sound like a prize. It sounds like a threat. Hello, this is the Nobel Committee. In 90 minutes, there will be a press conference. And what did you do, Professor?

Now, the Nobel Prize in Economics, or the Nobel Memorial Medal in Economics, is awarded separately from the other Nobel Prizes. Who has better parties, the economists or all those lame scientists?

That's right. That is, in fact. Now, I wanted to ask about your husband, who, again, I just want to let everybody know we have you on screen here, and he is sitting directly behind your shoulder, staring at us. He is also an acclaimed economist. And we recently had, I know, your good friend, Janet Yellen, also an economist, Secretary of the Treasury. She is also married to an economist.

So... Let's jump right in. You won your season of Top Chef after fighting your way through a redemption round. And a big turning point for you in the show was you were all challenged to prepare this seafood specialty in Seattle, the gooey duck. Correct. And I don't know if I will ever recover watching.

Are all economists married to other economists? Yes.

Where the fuck you get that shirt from, man? That's like one of those food drive shirts where they throw them in the bins and shit. It's like a thrift store shirt for sure.

Where the fuck you get that shirt from, man? That's like one of those food drive shirts where they throw them in the bins and shit. It's like a thrift store shirt for sure.

detonation when it is giving off the highest levels of radiation it takes time to motherfucking run oh he knew the whole time he told him he told him okay okay he told him in the basement that was great that was like fuck better than anything fucking saturday night live i know it's fucking amazing yeah man they need to keep that shit going he knows how to wind that dude up it's amazing yeah everybody i say everybody got an uncle like this you play with in your family man

detonation when it is giving off the highest levels of radiation it takes time to motherfucking run oh he knew the whole time he told him he told him okay okay he told him in the basement that was great that was like fuck better than anything fucking saturday night live i know it's fucking amazing yeah man they need to keep that shit going he knows how to wind that dude up it's amazing yeah everybody i say everybody got an uncle like this you play with in your family man

Yeah. My uncle was fucking crazy. His ass be fucking nodding out off heroin and shit. We used to fucking push him down the stairs and all that type of shit. She used to be hilarious. I mean, I was a kid, though. He'd be nodding out somewhere. He'd just push his ass over. You ever see somebody nodding up, standing up? It's the funniest shit in the world.

Yeah. My uncle was fucking crazy. His ass be fucking nodding out off heroin and shit. We used to fucking push him down the stairs and all that type of shit. She used to be hilarious. I mean, I was a kid, though. He'd be nodding out somewhere. He'd just push his ass over. You ever see somebody nodding up, standing up? It's the funniest shit in the world.

This shit college sounded like jail now. God damn.

This shit college sounded like jail now. God damn.

Yeah, that's jail shit. All that sound like jail shit.

Yeah, that's jail shit. All that sound like jail shit.

Yeah. Fuck that, man. Yeah. You had to stab that motherfucker. Take a fork out the cafeteria or something, man.

Yeah. Fuck that, man. Yeah. You had to stab that motherfucker. Take a fork out the cafeteria or something, man.

Especially if a motherfucker sleep around you. I'll fucking throw a pot of coffee on his ass or something. Right? Yeah, you got to revert to jail tactics, man.

Especially if a motherfucker sleep around you. I'll fucking throw a pot of coffee on his ass or something. Right? Yeah, you got to revert to jail tactics, man.

The beautiful mushroom head.

The beautiful mushroom head.

Yeah, he's just a nasty, freaky motherfucker trying to disguise it with some fucking scientific shit. Yeah. But I already know a predatory motherfucker when I see it. Type nigga be working out. He be like, yeah, just whip your dong out, bro. Like, hold up. What's my dong got to do with this workout?

Yeah, he's just a nasty, freaky motherfucker trying to disguise it with some fucking scientific shit. Yeah. But I already know a predatory motherfucker when I see it. Type nigga be working out. He be like, yeah, just whip your dong out, bro. Like, hold up. What's my dong got to do with this workout?

no he got punched in the face before somebody was like hold up man get up off my balls yeah he's he always has some kind of knowledge yeah that adds to it so you're like you get no he ain't fooling me i ain't falling for that shit that's how i get you what does the wild naked man drink piss i'm gonna yeah i already knew it that's what i'm saying you're freaking nasty motherfucker i already know beautiful oran you just try to disguise it or something you just be straight up man

no he got punched in the face before somebody was like hold up man get up off my balls yeah he's he always has some kind of knowledge yeah that adds to it so you're like you get no he ain't fooling me i ain't falling for that shit that's how i get you what does the wild naked man drink piss i'm gonna yeah i already knew it that's what i'm saying you're freaking nasty motherfucker i already know beautiful oran you just try to disguise it or something you just be straight up man

He liked it too. Yeah, he ain't squinting or nothing. Just taking raw piss to the face is crazy right now.

He liked it too. Yeah, he ain't squinting or nothing. Just taking raw piss to the face is crazy right now.

Yeah, he's just nasty, man. I already know what's up. He's just freaky, man. He can't fool me with that mumbo jumbo. He's like, shut the fuck up, man.

Yeah, he's just nasty, man. I already know what's up. He's just freaky, man. He can't fool me with that mumbo jumbo. He's like, shut the fuck up, man.

Oh, yeah. Y'all had him up here. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Y'all had him up here. Yeah.

Now, I bet he makes some fire shit, though.

Now, I bet he makes some fire shit, though.

So that's like a little cake from Walmart. He just decorated it. Oh, shit. I fuck with cuz. I fuck with him.

So that's like a little cake from Walmart. He just decorated it. Oh, shit. I fuck with cuz. I fuck with him.

So he just decorating food. That's what he doing. Oh, man. He ain't shit. God damn. I'll be mad as hell fucking with Fancy Chevrolet.

So he just decorating food. That's what he doing. Oh, man. He ain't shit. God damn. I'll be mad as hell fucking with Fancy Chevrolet.

I thought he's got the lamb chops out the refrigerator.

I thought he's got the lamb chops out the refrigerator.

I don't know what the fuck he got going on right now.

I don't know what the fuck he got going on right now.

Yeah. He's like, I'm done. I already know what this is, man. He got his food stamps, and he was like, fuck that, I'm about to flip this shit. Really? I'm about to figure out a way to flip these food stamps. As soon as he got approved, he got his EBT card. He's like, I'm about to be a chef. Like a chef's uniform. Yep. Yeah, he got his EBT card.

Yeah. He's like, I'm done. I already know what this is, man. He got his food stamps, and he was like, fuck that, I'm about to flip this shit. Really? I'm about to figure out a way to flip these food stamps. As soon as he got approved, he got his EBT card. He's like, I'm about to be a chef. Like a chef's uniform. Yep. Yeah, he got his EBT card.

Yeah, this will only work on white people. Yeah. Black people. We'd be like, hold up, man. This nigga out here fooling us. He got cussed out. Yeah. For real. Somebody auntie, they would have knew off rip. For real. This is bullshit. You bring around them aunties and grandmas, they're going to be like, hold up. He ain't doing shit. I already know. They would call him out immediately.

Yeah, this will only work on white people. Yeah. Black people. We'd be like, hold up, man. This nigga out here fooling us. He got cussed out. Yeah. For real. Somebody auntie, they would have knew off rip. For real. This is bullshit. You bring around them aunties and grandmas, they're going to be like, hold up. He ain't doing shit. I already know. They would call him out immediately.

Yeah, black women would go crazy. Yeah.

Yeah, black women would go crazy. Yeah.

No, he... I don't know. He's a crackhead.

No, he... I don't know. He's a crackhead.

There's some crack going on.

There's some crack going on.

Like, people that could smoke crack in 2025, 2024, like, this generation of, like, crackheads, it's going to be some next level shit, man.

Like, people that could smoke crack in 2025, 2024, like, this generation of, like, crackheads, it's going to be some next level shit, man.

Yeah, because it's like, now they wanting to, like, fentanyl type shit, you know? They done got their fucking tolerance adjusted to it.

Yeah, because it's like, now they wanting to, like, fentanyl type shit, you know? They done got their fucking tolerance adjusted to it.

That's why I stopped fucking with everything I was doing, you know? Yeah. It's, you know, too many people dying from that shit, man.

That's why I stopped fucking with everything I was doing, you know? Yeah. It's, you know, too many people dying from that shit, man.

Oh, I know that head is fire. She's sucking mayonnaise through a straw. She gonna tap me out. I know what this video is about. This ain't nothing to do with nothing. But hold up. I got these jaws for your balls. Damn, bitch. All right. That was a great way to flirt. Drain your bag with my mayo drinking video? If I had to say this bitch doing this in public, I'd just have to leave. Yeah, right.

Oh, I know that head is fire. She's sucking mayonnaise through a straw. She gonna tap me out. I know what this video is about. This ain't nothing to do with nothing. But hold up. I got these jaws for your balls. Damn, bitch. All right. That was a great way to flirt. Drain your bag with my mayo drinking video? If I had to say this bitch doing this in public, I'd just have to leave. Yeah, right.

Like, oh, man, this is getting too horny in here. She's cute. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is a mating call. This is for all the brothers out there. We knew what this was. The white dudes probably didn't pick up on it, but the brothers was like, oh, shit. It's been sucking mayonnaise through a straw. I know that's the sloppy topic. For real. I've never been so turned on in my life.

Like, oh, man, this is getting too horny in here. She's cute. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is a mating call. This is for all the brothers out there. We knew what this was. The white dudes probably didn't pick up on it, but the brothers was like, oh, shit. It's been sucking mayonnaise through a straw. I know that's the sloppy topic. For real. I've never been so turned on in my life.

It looked like somebody unplugged mic controller. Yeah.

It looked like somebody unplugged mic controller. Yeah.

he was glitching and all type of shit it was like when you play when you play video games with your little brother or something and there was so much anticipation yeah and he don't know how to play and shit you're like yeah fuck you up you let him have a little fun a little bit then you just start dropping bombs on him but yeah man it was i fell asleep during i fell asleep to be honest i fell asleep i seemed like maybe the first and second round and i woke up definitely i woke up mike titan had his booty cheeks out yeah my god this shit is crazy now

he was glitching and all type of shit it was like when you play when you play video games with your little brother or something and there was so much anticipation yeah and he don't know how to play and shit you're like yeah fuck you up you let him have a little fun a little bit then you just start dropping bombs on him but yeah man it was i fell asleep during i fell asleep to be honest i fell asleep i seemed like maybe the first and second round and i woke up definitely i woke up mike titan had his booty cheeks out yeah my god this shit is crazy now

I thought I was in a fever dream or something. Like, man, let me take my ass to bed. It felt like there was an arrangement once you were watching it. You're like, oh. I mean, I'm happy Mike got his bag, but it was, yeah, he was glitching. He was glitching. It was like he had latency issues when you play with people online and shit. They should be freezing. You're like, hold up, man.

I thought I was in a fever dream or something. Like, man, let me take my ass to bed. It felt like there was an arrangement once you were watching it. You're like, oh. I mean, I'm happy Mike got his bag, but it was, yeah, he was glitching. He was glitching. It was like he had latency issues when you play with people online and shit. They should be freezing. You're like, hold up, man.

But, yeah, I'm happy Mike got some money, man. Because I think the main thing I saw from it, because he did an interview, and he was like, you know, my kids... You know, like they don't know who I am, but my kids gonna know after this fight. And I took that as saying, like, you know, we know Mike had fucked up a lot of money and type shit like that.

But, yeah, I'm happy Mike got some money, man. Because I think the main thing I saw from it, because he did an interview, and he was like, you know, my kids... You know, like they don't know who I am, but my kids gonna know after this fight. And I took that as saying, like, you know, we know Mike had fucked up a lot of money and type shit like that.

And he probably think about that shit for his kids and shit. And be like, you know, I don't know. You know, Mike ain't probably got too much time. You know, who knows? You know, and he want to leave something back for his kids. So he's like, I'm going to hold him down, you know? Yeah. Because these motherfuckers had tigers and all type of cokehead parties and shit. You blew a lot of shit.

And he probably think about that shit for his kids and shit. And be like, you know, I don't know. You know, Mike ain't probably got too much time. You know, who knows? You know, and he want to leave something back for his kids. So he's like, I'm going to hold him down, you know? Yeah. Because these motherfuckers had tigers and all type of cokehead parties and shit. You blew a lot of shit.

Oh, of course. It's some meth. It's some meth activities. I'm also going to take a wild guess and say he's from Florida. I thought it was Florida, too. Yeah, and he the type of guy that says, if there's grass on the field, I'm going to play.

Oh, of course. It's some meth. It's some meth activities. I'm also going to take a wild guess and say he's from Florida. I thought it was Florida, too. Yeah, and he the type of guy that says, if there's grass on the field, I'm going to play.

So yeah, I feel like he was looking at it like, fuck it, I'm doing this for my kids to be able to drop a bag.

So yeah, I feel like he was looking at it like, fuck it, I'm doing this for my kids to be able to drop a bag.

I don't think it worked out for how Jake Paul thought it would be, you know?

I don't think it worked out for how Jake Paul thought it would be, you know?

yeah i mean i feel like people just like i mean i'm over it i mean thank god it was free on netflix i guess it ain't free when you're paying for netflix but i ain't buying no goddamn jake paul feist no more he got me a couple times i'm gonna be going on crackstreams.com he's got a fucking he's got to just do one where it's

yeah i mean i feel like people just like i mean i'm over it i mean thank god it was free on netflix i guess it ain't free when you're paying for netflix but i ain't buying no goddamn jake paul feist no more he got me a couple times i'm gonna be going on crackstreams.com he's got a fucking he's got to just do one where it's

you know, a legit... I mean, he fought the Tommy Fury guy, and then he got the tips put on him, so I feel like he's just trying to figure it out. He might as well just fight a midget next. Like, fuck it, I'm gonna fight a transsexual midget. That's the only way I'm gonna buy a ticket. I bet he'd get you on that one.

you know, a legit... I mean, he fought the Tommy Fury guy, and then he got the tips put on him, so I feel like he's just trying to figure it out. He might as well just fight a midget next. Like, fuck it, I'm gonna fight a transsexual midget. That's the only way I'm gonna buy a ticket. I bet he'd get you on that one.

I mean, she's done so much shit. The cartwheels, the pissing on herself. Yeah. So that was like the least embarrassing to me.

I mean, she's done so much shit. The cartwheels, the pissing on herself. Yeah. So that was like the least embarrassing to me.

That's one of them Indian reservation schools. That's what that is.

That's one of them Indian reservation schools. That's what that is.

I already did the math. She's wearing slippers.

I already did the math. She's wearing slippers.

They know what they've been signing up for when they got her. She don't ever come to school. She just wear pajamas and shit.

They know what they've been signing up for when they got her. She don't ever come to school. She just wear pajamas and shit.

Show up. They're like, fuck it. She's like, I'm going to do the national anthem. Slippers is just. Yeah, that's on the reservation for sure. A little kid turned around like, did she say fuck? But I mean, you know, I don't think that dethroned the throne.

Show up. They're like, fuck it. She's like, I'm going to do the national anthem. Slippers is just. Yeah, that's on the reservation for sure. A little kid turned around like, did she say fuck? But I mean, you know, I don't think that dethroned the throne.

No. No. Because Fergie shit was, that's like in little school, somebody got a camera. Fergie shit was, everybody saw that shit, you know?

No. No. Because Fergie shit was, that's like in little school, somebody got a camera. Fergie shit was, everybody saw that shit, you know?

Ah, shit, another freaky motherfucker.

Ah, shit, another freaky motherfucker.

Nah, you lying. Oh, you lying. Oh, wow. You lying, fam.

Nah, you lying. Oh, you lying. Oh, wow. You lying, fam.

This nigga is hilarious.

This nigga is hilarious.

That was almost like performance art or some shit, man. Wasn't it? Yeah, like what the fuck you got going on? Yeah, I remember this shit.

That was almost like performance art or some shit, man. Wasn't it? Yeah, like what the fuck you got going on? Yeah, I remember this shit.

You know, drive one of those Jeeps with no doors on it and shit.

You know, drive one of those Jeeps with no doors on it and shit.

This was mean, though. They ain't have to do this.

This was mean, though. They ain't have to do this.

It's dope for the producer to be able to, you know, to get that into their locker room. Yeah. That was mean. Cause I don't blame Fergie. I don't blame Fergie. I blame whoever booked that shit. They know what they was getting themselves into. We done seen Fergie so many times do crazy shit on stage, so they knew she crazy.

It's dope for the producer to be able to, you know, to get that into their locker room. Yeah. That was mean. Cause I don't blame Fergie. I don't blame Fergie. I blame whoever booked that shit. They know what they was getting themselves into. We done seen Fergie so many times do crazy shit on stage, so they knew she crazy.

Fucking Confederate flag or some shit hanging somewhere. I already know this type of motherfucker.

Fucking Confederate flag or some shit hanging somewhere. I already know this type of motherfucker.

God damn it. There ain't so many people who fucking sing, man. To pick Fergie, man, that was like, hold up, man. We got to work out the budget.

God damn it. There ain't so many people who fucking sing, man. To pick Fergie, man, that was like, hold up, man. We got to work out the budget.

Yeah, definitely, because they was. I mean, they didn't have to do that.

Yeah, definitely, because they was. I mean, they didn't have to do that.

Probably Draymond. I think Draymond was the one laughing on camera.

Probably Draymond. I think Draymond was the one laughing on camera.

Oh yeah, he was. Yeah, he started laughing in the lineup and shit, but yeah, that was mean.

Oh yeah, he was. Yeah, he started laughing in the lineup and shit, but yeah, that was mean.

Yeah, you know Draymond always did some shit.

Yeah, you know Draymond always did some shit.

Calls her a prick for laughing at her. Yeah. But I feel like they knew what they was getting into. They could have gotten some money.

Calls her a prick for laughing at her. Yeah. But I feel like they knew what they was getting into. They could have gotten some money.

Yeah. They could have got somebody else. They know Fergie a little crazy. Fergie's dope, though, man. But she is wild. She feels the music. She let the music take her soul. But yeah, oh, this nigga shitting again with the MeUndies on.

Yeah. They could have got somebody else. They know Fergie a little crazy. Fergie's dope, though, man. But she is wild. She feels the music. She let the music take her soul. But yeah, oh, this nigga shitting again with the MeUndies on.

Yeah, that's some freaky shit. That's how I know you like teenage girls.

Yeah, that's some freaky shit. That's how I know you like teenage girls.

It's the MeUndies ad. Got me hot. Yeah. Oh, he pissing. with the stone face too it appears to be just your very interesting findings more to follow who is he doing this for what is the core audience i don't know but then he has shit like this on his page oh yeah we gotta lock him up yeah He got to go to jail, man. Because he going to do something. He going to do something, man.

It's the MeUndies ad. Got me hot. Yeah. Oh, he pissing. with the stone face too it appears to be just your very interesting findings more to follow who is he doing this for what is the core audience i don't know but then he has shit like this on his page oh yeah we gotta lock him up yeah He got to go to jail, man. Because he going to do something. He going to do something, man.

He's shitting and he's pretending to be a slave owner. I guess it's some psychosis. Yeah. There's something else going on there, man. But yeah, the fucking... Yeah, I just don't understand what he hopes to get out of this.

He's shitting and he's pretending to be a slave owner. I guess it's some psychosis. Yeah. There's something else going on there, man. But yeah, the fucking... Yeah, I just don't understand what he hopes to get out of this.

That was the dead giveaway.

That was the dead giveaway.

He's just like, some bitch will see this and be like, oh shit, this nigga hot.

He's just like, some bitch will see this and be like, oh shit, this nigga hot.

Yeah, because you lock them up. Just lock them up, man. But he'll be on a special flow. You take him to jail, he gotta go where the crazy's at. He gonna be throwing piss at the security guards and shit, at the COs and all that shit, man. So yeah, he can't even hang in Gin Pop with us. We'll beat his ass. But do you think it's, is it, is it considered a bummer to be on that wing? Hell yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, because you lock them up. Just lock them up, man. But he'll be on a special flow. You take him to jail, he gotta go where the crazy's at. He gonna be throwing piss at the security guards and shit, at the COs and all that shit, man. So yeah, he can't even hang in Gin Pop with us. We'll beat his ass. But do you think it's, is it, is it considered a bummer to be on that wing? Hell yeah. Yeah.

The motherfuckers up there going crazy. I mean, you get the good meds, they're going to dope you up and shit, but motherfuckers throwing shit everywhere and just not showering and just you with the nasty shit, man. You don't want to be there.

The motherfuckers up there going crazy. I mean, you get the good meds, they're going to dope you up and shit, but motherfuckers throwing shit everywhere and just not showering and just you with the nasty shit, man. You don't want to be there.

Yeah. Hell yeah. But if you're a weirdo, you don't want to be in gem pop, right? Like they might want to be too. I mean, they don't get, they don't get to come out. Like you ain't got, you just in that motherfucker just fucked up, man. Yeah. And motherfuckers screaming, yelling, beating on shit, you know?

Yeah. Hell yeah. But if you're a weirdo, you don't want to be in gem pop, right? Like they might want to be too. I mean, they don't get, they don't get to come out. Like you ain't got, you just in that motherfucker just fucked up, man. Yeah. And motherfuckers screaming, yelling, beating on shit, you know?

Yeah, you ain't getting no good night of sleep.

Yeah, you ain't getting no good night of sleep.

Yeah, but that's why they dope them up. So you might do. They're going to give you some meds and shit. Don't type of motherfuckers be fucking... Oh, man, the crazy shit is in jail now. They making Glock Dookies. What? A Glock Dookie. What are you talking about?

Yeah, but that's why they dope them up. So you might do. They're going to give you some meds and shit. Don't type of motherfuckers be fucking... Oh, man, the crazy shit is in jail now. They making Glock Dookies. What? A Glock Dookie. What are you talking about?

You take a water bottle and then you just fill it up with piss, shit, sperm, with any kind of fucking body fluid you can, and you just let it sit and you just let it chill in your room and shit. Anytime you got some beef, you pull it out and you just spray a motherfucker with that shit. It's so many videos you could just watch of motherfuckers fighting with the Glock Dookies.