Bryan Callen
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Can I just tell you how much that is? Hold on. Let me tell you. $37 trillion. Yeah, go. Count. One, two. It's insane. I'm going to give you... Keep talking because I want to give you perspective on what $37 trillion is.
Can I just tell you how much that is? Hold on. Let me tell you. $37 trillion. Yeah, go. Count. One, two. It's insane. I'm going to give you... Keep talking because I want to give you perspective on what $37 trillion is.
Correct.
Correct.
Okay.
Okay.
My guess is sometimes you resign because, one, you figure you're already going to be fired, or there's no way you can do your work under this administration because you've already been painted as a bad guy. This happens all the time. You just see the writing on the wall. So sometimes people would rather resign than get fired. I think that's probably something of what's going on.
My guess is sometimes you resign because, one, you figure you're already going to be fired, or there's no way you can do your work under this administration because you've already been painted as a bad guy. This happens all the time. You just see the writing on the wall. So sometimes people would rather resign than get fired. I think that's probably something of what's going on.
The other thing that I worry about, and we have to hold our side accountable. This is very important. We need to know that it's one thing to go in and move fast and break things. I'm all about it, man, and I'm all about shrinking government. Government has no accountability, and it's too big. It's a leviathan. We know this.
The other thing that I worry about, and we have to hold our side accountable. This is very important. We need to know that it's one thing to go in and move fast and break things. I'm all about it, man, and I'm all about shrinking government. Government has no accountability, and it's too big. It's a leviathan. We know this.
Let's just make sure, I think, that we understand how these complicated systems work. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Social Security, by the way, politically is a hand grenade, especially for Trump. There are a lot of voters that rely on those. In this state, are you kidding me? Social Security is a very delicate issue. So we have to be very careful about how we handle this.
Let's just make sure, I think, that we understand how these complicated systems work. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Social Security, by the way, politically is a hand grenade, especially for Trump. There are a lot of voters that rely on those. In this state, are you kidding me? Social Security is a very delicate issue. So we have to be very careful about how we handle this.
And it is a complicated thing. You can get into specifically, why does Patrick Bette David get Social Security? He doesn't need it. Why is that? What's going on there? So there are things you can do with Social Security. Is there a play to at least privatize some of it? It is the People's Bank. You don't get that money if you die early sometimes.
And it is a complicated thing. You can get into specifically, why does Patrick Bette David get Social Security? He doesn't need it. Why is that? What's going on there? So there are things you can do with Social Security. Is there a play to at least privatize some of it? It is the People's Bank. You don't get that money if you die early sometimes.
There are a lot of issues there that we can talk about. The Cato Institute... talked about, and there's some thoughtful scholarship on Social Security. I just worry about we live in a world today, and you would appreciate this. You're a numbers guy. You're overthinking. Am I?
There are a lot of issues there that we can talk about. The Cato Institute... talked about, and there's some thoughtful scholarship on Social Security. I just worry about we live in a world today, and you would appreciate this. You're a numbers guy. You're overthinking. Am I?
All right.
All right.
No.
No.
Right.
Right.
It's not rocket science is what you're saying.
It's not rocket science is what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, what's he saying?
Yeah, what's he saying?
Is there any gold there? Yeah, what if there isn't? Why are you going to investigate? Okay, so let me ask you this now.
Is there any gold there? Yeah, what if there isn't? Why are you going to investigate? Okay, so let me ask you this now.
I mean, I don't know. I'm at 90%.
I mean, I don't know. I'm at 90%.
That's it, bro. That's all it is. You know what we're dealing with? What? We are looking at, in my opinion, a revolution, the likes of which we haven't seen maybe since, I don't know, Andrew Jackson. I don't know if we've ever seen this. Listen, people forget this. 1977, Jimmy Carter tried to audit the government. He tried to shrink government. He had a worker freeze.
That's it, bro. That's all it is. You know what we're dealing with? What? We are looking at, in my opinion, a revolution, the likes of which we haven't seen maybe since, I don't know, Andrew Jackson. I don't know if we've ever seen this. Listen, people forget this. 1977, Jimmy Carter tried to audit the government. He tried to shrink government. He had a worker freeze.
He said we are not going to hire any more federal workers. 1993, Al Gore tried to initiate an early retirement for federal workers. So the Democrats have tried to do this before. It's not just a Republican thing. And anybody who has a problem with cutting down on waste and auditing these departments, I mean, I don't understand the argument there. Let's see where the waste is. How could that be bad?
He said we are not going to hire any more federal workers. 1993, Al Gore tried to initiate an early retirement for federal workers. So the Democrats have tried to do this before. It's not just a Republican thing. And anybody who has a problem with cutting down on waste and auditing these departments, I mean, I don't understand the argument there. Let's see where the waste is. How could that be bad?
Very aggressive.
Very aggressive.
Because, by the way, and not to make it a political issue, but it is true that about 90% of federal workers do vote Democrat. There is that. I'm not saying that that's, you know, but we have to.
Because, by the way, and not to make it a political issue, but it is true that about 90% of federal workers do vote Democrat. There is that. I'm not saying that that's, you know, but we have to.
We have to at least admit that this is, you know.
We have to at least admit that this is, you know.
But, guys, what you're also hearing is this. Federal workers are no longer guaranteed lifetime employment. Well, who is? None of us are. Bro, I'm not guaranteed. I got my show this weekend in Miami. If I don't put butts in the seat, I'm in trouble. That's up to me, bro.
But, guys, what you're also hearing is this. Federal workers are no longer guaranteed lifetime employment. Well, who is? None of us are. Bro, I'm not guaranteed. I got my show this weekend in Miami. If I don't put butts in the seat, I'm in trouble. That's up to me, bro.
What is it?
What is it?
Regulation. So now you've got to print more money.
Regulation. So now you've got to print more money.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
Pat, what are we going to do about the deficit? Will you tell me? You're a business guy.
Pat, what are we going to do about the deficit? Will you tell me? You're a business guy.
Because I'm going to come to you first. Because I'm thinking about this. Because we should pay it off.
Because I'm going to come to you first. Because I'm thinking about this. Because we should pay it off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you understand what happened right there?
Did you understand what happened right there?
Right. But now let me ask you this. There seems to be a divide philosophically. One side says the only way to get rid of the deficit is to tax. But free market people say, hold on, bro. Tax. Give me the money so I can stimulate the economy. Right? That's right. And then you'll have a wider tax base, and then we can pay it off. I think.
Right. But now let me ask you this. There seems to be a divide philosophically. One side says the only way to get rid of the deficit is to tax. But free market people say, hold on, bro. Tax. Give me the money so I can stimulate the economy. Right? That's right. And then you'll have a wider tax base, and then we can pay it off. I think.
It's a mindset.
It's a mindset.
Do you realize what that means? That's exactly right, man. My father always said the best way to lose a friend is to lend him money.
Do you realize what that means? That's exactly right, man. My father always said the best way to lose a friend is to lend him money.
Yeah, where are you going?
Yeah, where are you going?
52?
52?
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's right.
So Gavin wanted Rogan. I call Rogan. And I go, hey, do you want to do this movie? He goes, honestly, bro, I'm so busy. If it's not a ton of cash, I'm not doing it. So Gavin goes, why don't you play it? So I said to Joe, I said, you got any advice on how to play this role? He said, take yourself completely out of it. And that's all I did. Just if you're an announcer, never talk about yourself.
So Gavin wanted Rogan. I call Rogan. And I go, hey, do you want to do this movie? He goes, honestly, bro, I'm so busy. If it's not a ton of cash, I'm not doing it. So Gavin goes, why don't you play it? So I said to Joe, I said, you got any advice on how to play this role? He said, take yourself completely out of it. And that's all I did. Just if you're an announcer, never talk about yourself.
He's done. You know what the problem with that is? That's cute. But when you get into politics, people come to you and your fundraisers say, you better vote along these lines because the money is with us. And you're either a Republican or a Democrat. And you try to be an independent. That's cute. But the real operatives look at you like a street fighter. They just go... All right, bro. We'll see.
He's done. You know what the problem with that is? That's cute. But when you get into politics, people come to you and your fundraisers say, you better vote along these lines because the money is with us. And you're either a Republican or a Democrat. And you try to be an independent. That's cute. But the real operatives look at you like a street fighter. They just go... All right, bro. We'll see.
When you come to your senses, we'll be over here because the money's over here.
When you come to your senses, we'll be over here because the money's over here.
Yeah, but just because you unfollowed doesn't mean the baby goes away.
Yeah, but just because you unfollowed doesn't mean the baby goes away.
Unless the economists kick ass. We don't know what they're running on.
Unless the economists kick ass. We don't know what they're running on.
Unless... But J.D. Vance, J.D. Vance is... J.D.
Unless... But J.D. Vance, J.D. Vance is... J.D.
I don't know, man.
I don't know, man.
You see how that works. Of course.
You see how that works. Of course.
How do we avoid your guy? You and Tom know policy. How do you avoid, though, when you say you're a Democrat? You know you get these super PACs. You get the trans activists. You get the abortion activists, whoever it is. They come to you and they say, if you want our money and you need our money, you're going to vote. Absolutely along these lines.
How do we avoid your guy? You and Tom know policy. How do you avoid, though, when you say you're a Democrat? You know you get these super PACs. You get the trans activists. You get the abortion activists, whoever it is. They come to you and they say, if you want our money and you need our money, you're going to vote. Absolutely along these lines.
That's why you get someone like Kamala Harris saying, I supported transgender prisoners having the money to transition even immigrants. Illegal immigrant transgender prisoners.
That's why you get someone like Kamala Harris saying, I supported transgender prisoners having the money to transition even immigrants. Illegal immigrant transgender prisoners.
You think she believes that? It doesn't matter. That's not the point, man. You better say across lines. If you have any nuance, you're not getting our money. So how do we avoid all those special interests with all that money? I want to know, what do we do about campaign finance reform in that sense? That might be the thing to talk about. It's not sexy.
You think she believes that? It doesn't matter. That's not the point, man. You better say across lines. If you have any nuance, you're not getting our money. So how do we avoid all those special interests with all that money? I want to know, what do we do about campaign finance reform in that sense? That might be the thing to talk about. It's not sexy.
The minute I say campaign finance reform, half your audience just now just went to sleep. I took all the energy out of their body. Because when you get into the nitty gritty of this stuff, but that might be really what we should talk about.
The minute I say campaign finance reform, half your audience just now just went to sleep. I took all the energy out of their body. Because when you get into the nitty gritty of this stuff, but that might be really what we should talk about.
What?
What?
Hello.
Hello.
Two.
Two.
That's Brazil for you. Chaos. Chaos. And everybody's got their hand out, living off the public troughs. They're not going to shrink it voluntarily. This is a really important point. Yes, as they do this doge, as they move fast, they're going to break things. Yes, they may not understand nuances of government. Yes, you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
That's Brazil for you. Chaos. Chaos. And everybody's got their hand out, living off the public troughs. They're not going to shrink it voluntarily. This is a really important point. Yes, as they do this doge, as they move fast, they're going to break things. Yes, they may not understand nuances of government. Yes, you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
At the end of the day, you want a country... What did George Washington say? Government should be treated like a necessary evil. The larger it grows, the more coercive it becomes. It raises taxes and it passes laws. Those are coercive measures. So just know, and there's no accountability.
At the end of the day, you want a country... What did George Washington say? Government should be treated like a necessary evil. The larger it grows, the more coercive it becomes. It raises taxes and it passes laws. Those are coercive measures. So just know, and there's no accountability.
So at the end of the day, do you need... Look, every one of these agencies we talk about, let me give you an example. Every one of these agencies has an inspector general. They have somebody that's supposed to audit, that's supposed to look for fraud, and they do, but it's not good enough. What's going on? Biden's own accounting office, what did they find? 70 different government programs.
So at the end of the day, do you need... Look, every one of these agencies we talk about, let me give you an example. Every one of these agencies has an inspector general. They have somebody that's supposed to audit, that's supposed to look for fraud, and they do, but it's not good enough. What's going on? Biden's own accounting office, what did they find? 70 different government programs.
Of those 70, they found, that's his department, they found $236 billion. Irregular or overpayments or fraud. Okay, $236 billion. That is, I believe, one-fourth of the defense's budget. Okay? So there is – and that's just Biden. So we're going to find that this is – that's chicken feet compared to what they're going to find out.
Of those 70, they found, that's his department, they found $236 billion. Irregular or overpayments or fraud. Okay, $236 billion. That is, I believe, one-fourth of the defense's budget. Okay? So there is – and that's just Biden. So we're going to find that this is – that's chicken feet compared to what they're going to find out.
What?
What?
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
So is he not going to be allowed to run or he is running?
So is he not going to be allowed to run or he is running?
He was your hero.
He was your hero.
Because he's in that painting of yours.
Because he's in that painting of yours.
Yeah, like a monk, right?
Yeah, like a monk, right?
Undiable. I like that. It's a good name for a movie. Undiable.
Undiable. I like that. It's a good name for a movie. Undiable.
I love it. That's exactly what it means. You don't need Viagra. You're always hard. Brazilian for Cialis.
I love it. That's exactly what it means. You don't need Viagra. You're always hard. Brazilian for Cialis.
Inedible, inedible.
Inedible, inedible.
You can't fuck me. Now, let me ask you this. Did you feel from him, did he feel nervous and worried about?
You can't fuck me. Now, let me ask you this. Did you feel from him, did he feel nervous and worried about?
I think you will be. I'd love to see. I'm coming with you. We'll go together, bro. Bro, listen to me right now. I'm telling you right now, I'm ending every one of my shows, tears. Okay? You know what my next special is called? unfuckable. What is it? Unflappable? Undiable. None of them are words. He made up his own words and then tears.
I think you will be. I'd love to see. I'm coming with you. We'll go together, bro. Bro, listen to me right now. I'm telling you right now, I'm ending every one of my shows, tears. Okay? You know what my next special is called? unfuckable. What is it? Unflappable? Undiable. None of them are words. He made up his own words and then tears.
That is incredible. That must have been like... If you're going to cry over something, that's what you cry over.
That is incredible. That must have been like... If you're going to cry over something, that's what you cry over.
No, not Bolsonaro. Are you talking about Zelensky?
No, not Bolsonaro. Are you talking about Zelensky?
Yes.
Yes.
It's good to be here, my brother. My home away from home.
It's good to be here, my brother. My home away from home.
But actually, the hidden thing that people don't talk about is when you give this aid to Ukraine, American companies are actually making those goods and services. So a lot of this supports the American economy. So I'm not even talking about that. Did you ever think, let me ask you a question. We talk about sending aid. So we send material. We send supplies.
But actually, the hidden thing that people don't talk about is when you give this aid to Ukraine, American companies are actually making those goods and services. So a lot of this supports the American economy. So I'm not even talking about that. Did you ever think, let me ask you a question. We talk about sending aid. So we send material. We send supplies.
Did you ever think about what happens when that aid gets to the airport and is unloaded? Do you know? Do you guys know? Are stuff there? Think about it. So we send a bunch of stuff, radios, guns, ammunition, whatever it is, MREs. Where does it go? What happens? Do you know? Because I'm going to tell you. So nobody ever asked. Nobody asked the question. We send it.
Did you ever think about what happens when that aid gets to the airport and is unloaded? Do you know? Do you guys know? Are stuff there? Think about it. So we send a bunch of stuff, radios, guns, ammunition, whatever it is, MREs. Where does it go? What happens? Do you know? Because I'm going to tell you. So nobody ever asked. Nobody asked the question. We send it.
When it lands at the airport, there are trucks waiting to get that stuff, to take it to the front lines. That's not where it goes. Those trucks, all those supplies are already divvied out by who? By the people that run different quadrants of Ukraine, gangsters. And guess where that goes? It goes into their warehouses. So all that aid goes into warehouses first.
When it lands at the airport, there are trucks waiting to get that stuff, to take it to the front lines. That's not where it goes. Those trucks, all those supplies are already divvied out by who? By the people that run different quadrants of Ukraine, gangsters. And guess where that goes? It goes into their warehouses. So all that aid goes into warehouses first.
And they've already met in a church and talked about who gets what. And that goes into a warehouse. And then the front lines get to buy it. And guess what groups get the aid first? The ones that prove their loyalty to Zelenskyy. More than the next guy. Do you understand? You know who told me that? CIA guys told me that. That's what happens. Nobody ever asks, where does that aid go?
And they've already met in a church and talked about who gets what. And that goes into a warehouse. And then the front lines get to buy it. And guess what groups get the aid first? The ones that prove their loyalty to Zelenskyy. More than the next guy. Do you understand? You know who told me that? CIA guys told me that. That's what happens. Nobody ever asks, where does that aid go?
You know what I said? I said it all costs.
You know what I said? I said it all costs.
When it goes there, there's a whole system. It's not going to the front lines. And oh, by the way, if you did a percentage on what actually gets to the front lines, the people that really need it, it would make you cry. It's probably 10%.
When it goes there, there's a whole system. It's not going to the front lines. And oh, by the way, if you did a percentage on what actually gets to the front lines, the people that really need it, it would make you cry. It's probably 10%.
I thought it was Stone Cold Steve Austin here.
I thought it was Stone Cold Steve Austin here.
Democrats ran it for three years.
Democrats ran it for three years.
I said, make sure the ice doesn't melt. The ice can't melt.
I said, make sure the ice doesn't melt. The ice can't melt.
Oh, my God, that's safe. I want a breakfast bagel at 10.05.
Oh, my God, that's safe. I want a breakfast bagel at 10.05.
Can we at least say, though, guys, that let's not forget that Russia did invade and did it with their military. Let's not be apologists to Putin either. No, but here's the question.
Can we at least say, though, guys, that let's not forget that Russia did invade and did it with their military. Let's not be apologists to Putin either. No, but here's the question.
You're a Putin puppet. You're a Putin puppet. I can hear the accent. I told you. I can smell vodka on his breath, clearly. Be honest.
You're a Putin puppet. You're a Putin puppet. I can hear the accent. I told you. I can smell vodka on his breath, clearly. Be honest.
Incredible thing ever. Look, the argument would be, look, what they did in Chechnya, what they did to Georgia, what they've always done, the Russian bear is not somebody to apologize for. Look at Afghanistan, et cetera.
Incredible thing ever. Look, the argument would be, look, what they did in Chechnya, what they did to Georgia, what they've always done, the Russian bear is not somebody to apologize for. Look at Afghanistan, et cetera.
We probably could have... really made them pay a price if we had armed the Ukrainians right away in the beginning of this war. That would be the argument. I don't know. Tom, your thoughts on this.
We probably could have... really made them pay a price if we had armed the Ukrainians right away in the beginning of this war. That would be the argument. I don't know. Tom, your thoughts on this.
I think what Trump also is good at, though, is when he comes to the negotiating table, he'll hit you with an outrageous claim, and then we'll scale it back from there. Yeah. Right. Like that's don't don't don't. By the way, don't take him at face value every time when he comes out of the gate. Sometimes he comes out hard and strong and outrageous, knowing that you're going to counter.
I think what Trump also is good at, though, is when he comes to the negotiating table, he'll hit you with an outrageous claim, and then we'll scale it back from there. Yeah. Right. Like that's don't don't don't. By the way, don't take him at face value every time when he comes out of the gate. Sometimes he comes out hard and strong and outrageous, knowing that you're going to counter.
And this is how we negotiate. And at the end of the day, Biden couldn't get a piece on the books. I'm telling you, this guy at the end of the day is probably going to achieve this piece. And that's better than having this war rage on. And so and that's this is what he does. He's colorful. Final thoughts.
And this is how we negotiate. And at the end of the day, Biden couldn't get a piece on the books. I'm telling you, this guy at the end of the day is probably going to achieve this piece. And that's better than having this war rage on. And so and that's this is what he does. He's colorful. Final thoughts.
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, with Burisma, right?
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, with Burisma, right?
It's freaking irrelevant. Listen. Focus on the $7,000 versus the $3,000 rent, and then we'll figure out what we want to do. Can we choose?
It's freaking irrelevant. Listen. Focus on the $7,000 versus the $3,000 rent, and then we'll figure out what we want to do. Can we choose?
Look, look, look, Vinny, $36 trillion debt. A trillion seconds is 32,000 years. Let me say it again. Okay. A trillion seconds. So our debt right now, I think, is $36 trillion. That's, that is, is that three, what is that? So it's $1,000 billion for a trillion. So that's a whole lot of zeros. That's $36,700 billion. Yes. Okay? So there you go.
Look, look, look, Vinny, $36 trillion debt. A trillion seconds is 32,000 years. Let me say it again. Okay. A trillion seconds. So our debt right now, I think, is $36 trillion. That's, that is, is that three, what is that? So it's $1,000 billion for a trillion. So that's a whole lot of zeros. That's $36,700 billion. Yes. Okay? So there you go.
This is good. I like this. Come on, baby.
This is good. I like this. Come on, baby.
Are you following it? Look, she's 26. That's so wonderfully creepy. Is he in his 50s? God bless you. When you have that kind of money. Listen, bring her up for a sec. I don't know what to say about that. She's a beautiful woman. Do you know who she is? I don't. Very pretty. I don't have any idea, dude. I don't know how to make sense of this.
Are you following it? Look, she's 26. That's so wonderfully creepy. Is he in his 50s? God bless you. When you have that kind of money. Listen, bring her up for a sec. I don't know what to say about that. She's a beautiful woman. Do you know who she is? I don't. Very pretty. I don't have any idea, dude. I don't know how to make sense of this.
I guess he had a kid with her and then they were outing her and then she basically. Adam, what are your thoughts on this? I'm the wrong guy to ask.
I guess he had a kid with her and then they were outing her and then she basically. Adam, what are your thoughts on this? I'm the wrong guy to ask.
Why did he block her?
Why did he block her?
Wait, hold on. So I think, is this her tweet? Elon, we have been trying to communicate for the past several days, and you have not responded. When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Who did that? So that's at least a little proof that they're in touch. How about that?
Wait, hold on. So I think, is this her tweet? Elon, we have been trying to communicate for the past several days, and you have not responded. When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Who did that? So that's at least a little proof that they're in touch. How about that?
Oh, yeah, they're in touch. But she kind of went to Twitter to get in touch with them or something.
Oh, yeah, they're in touch. But she kind of went to Twitter to get in touch with them or something.
The case study is there, okay?
The case study is there, okay?
I'm going to say this. I can tell you one last thing.
I'm going to say this. I can tell you one last thing.
I'm just saying. I'm a businessman, Patrick. That's on the dude.
I'm just saying. I'm a businessman, Patrick. That's on the dude.
Can I just say something? As a guy, it's great you're trying to populate the earth. As a guy who has four children, being a father is more important. And I don't know how you have time to father 13 kids. So sometimes a little criticism... toward these guys might be appropriate. You're having 13 kids, Nick Cannon, all these guys. I'm sorry. That's the one thing I can't respect.
Can I just say something? As a guy, it's great you're trying to populate the earth. As a guy who has four children, being a father is more important. And I don't know how you have time to father 13 kids. So sometimes a little criticism... toward these guys might be appropriate. You're having 13 kids, Nick Cannon, all these guys. I'm sorry. That's the one thing I can't respect.
You got children, bro. Raise your kids. My kids, my four kids, all that matters is that I'm a good father. I don't have time. I don't know how you have time with that. 13 kids? Come on, man.
You got children, bro. Raise your kids. My kids, my four kids, all that matters is that I'm a good father. I don't have time. I don't know how you have time with that. 13 kids? Come on, man.
Take penicillin. Why is it the girl's responsibility?
Take penicillin. Why is it the girl's responsibility?
Call him.
Call him.
Actually, there's a caveat to this. So in Germany, since World War II, after the Nuremberg trials, The denial of the Holocaust or Nazi propaganda is what is punishable by jail, and this has been happening in Germany for a long time. This is not new. This is just a new story, but this has always been the law in Germany, okay?
Actually, there's a caveat to this. So in Germany, since World War II, after the Nuremberg trials, The denial of the Holocaust or Nazi propaganda is what is punishable by jail, and this has been happening in Germany for a long time. This is not new. This is just a new story, but this has always been the law in Germany, okay?
And what probably happened here is this guy posted something that was pro-Nazi, Nazi paraphernalia, or the denial of the Holocaust. When you do that in Germany, since I think 1948, It has been illegal. And that's what that's what's really going on.
And what probably happened here is this guy posted something that was pro-Nazi, Nazi paraphernalia, or the denial of the Holocaust. When you do that in Germany, since I think 1948, It has been illegal. And that's what that's what's really going on.
Every time I see you, a little part of me dies. I got to start dressing better. I need bespoke shoes with a patina sheen. And I want my suits tailored to my body.
Every time I see you, a little part of me dies. I got to start dressing better. I need bespoke shoes with a patina sheen. And I want my suits tailored to my body.
Right. Well, in England, people are in jail right now for posting what is considered things that incite violence towards immigrants. So if you say something like, I don't think these people should be in my country, you can go to jail.
Right. Well, in England, people are in jail right now for posting what is considered things that incite violence towards immigrants. So if you say something like, I don't think these people should be in my country, you can go to jail.
Amazing. And look at how unhappy they are. Let's go.
Amazing. And look at how unhappy they are. Let's go.
Hey, by the way, you know who agrees with him? Most Europeans. You know who doesn't? The elites there. Of course. They were all really mad about that.
Hey, by the way, you know who agrees with him? Most Europeans. You know who doesn't? The elites there. Of course. They were all really mad about that.
If we can't, but just at the beginning of... Because they're weaponizing free speech, he said. Yeah, that's what he says.
If we can't, but just at the beginning of... Because they're weaponizing free speech, he said. Yeah, that's what he says.
Vice President.
Vice President.
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
The irony of what they do, the irony of these laws, is they are going to usher in extreme right-wing parties. That's how it happens. Because what happens is people go, really? You want to do this to me? I'm going with that guy.
The irony of what they do, the irony of these laws, is they are going to usher in extreme right-wing parties. That's how it happens. Because what happens is people go, really? You want to do this to me? I'm going with that guy.
And so those guys inadvertently are going to usher in an extremist government, if they're not careful, or parties that are not exactly in the middle or nuanced in their thinking. So, you know, the left never ceases to amaze me in how restricted they can be. Free speech, guys. You know why you want free speech? You know why? Watch this. You're allowed to say whatever you want, because guess what?
And so those guys inadvertently are going to usher in an extremist government, if they're not careful, or parties that are not exactly in the middle or nuanced in their thinking. So, you know, the left never ceases to amaze me in how restricted they can be. Free speech, guys. You know why you want free speech? You know why? Watch this. You're allowed to say whatever you want, because guess what?
You might change my mind, or if I disagree with you, it forces me to bolster...
You might change my mind, or if I disagree with you, it forces me to bolster...
my position it forces me to stress test why i believe what i believe it's how we stay it's how we grow it's how we change our minds and it's how we fortify the truth that we stand on and if you don't have that stress test coming from from you at all different angles and you have parameters on speech then you're never gonna you're never gonna get honest you're
my position it forces me to stress test why i believe what i believe it's how we stay it's how we grow it's how we change our minds and it's how we fortify the truth that we stand on and if you don't have that stress test coming from from you at all different angles and you have parameters on speech then you're never gonna you're never gonna get honest you're
Somebody write that down.
Somebody write that down.
Right. Can I get some background music when I pontificate?
Right. Can I get some background music when I pontificate?
Bro, on my short semi-jacket. Look, even Peabody has it on. I'm looking good, right, bro? Not bad.
Bro, on my short semi-jacket. Look, even Peabody has it on. I'm looking good, right, bro? Not bad.
This blue brings out the brown in my eyes. True or false?
This blue brings out the brown in my eyes. True or false?
For you?
For you?
The next time I come here, I'm doing it. I'd love to see what you look like. It's progressing.
The next time I come here, I'm doing it. I'd love to see what you look like. It's progressing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought it was debunked.
I thought it was debunked.
Now.
Now.
if it's true yeah i thought this was already kind of debunked did you read this which is this this so the the the fact that all these social security things for 350 year old that these were records of people and a lot of these social security numbers have been recycled stolen let me read this and then you debunk it go ahead rob play the clip and we'll go through it go for it there is one person on social security who's 360 years old
if it's true yeah i thought this was already kind of debunked did you read this which is this this so the the the fact that all these social security things for 350 year old that these were records of people and a lot of these social security numbers have been recycled stolen let me read this and then you debunk it go ahead rob play the clip and we'll go through it go for it there is one person on social security who's 360 years old
What's happening? What is it?
What's happening? What is it?
When you see those guys come in and they're dressed, it's a fashion show now with the football players. Is this a new thing or has that always been the case? Of fashion? Well, you see like Travis Kelce, he's dressed like a 70s fan. Walking through the tunnel is a new segment. It's a relatively new segment.
When you see those guys come in and they're dressed, it's a fashion show now with the football players. Is this a new thing or has that always been the case? Of fashion? Well, you see like Travis Kelce, he's dressed like a 70s fan. Walking through the tunnel is a new segment. It's a relatively new segment.
What's going on? What happened?
What's going on? What happened?
And you look at how... It becomes too much of a business, huh? Everybody's their own island.
And you look at how... It becomes too much of a business, huh? Everybody's their own island.
8 p.m. Eastern? My show at the Miami Improv. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, cocky's fun, but Brian Callen for an hour? No, no, forgive me. Do you believe in miracles? You know what I'm saying? Brian Callen is performing at the Miami Improv. How dare we even compare USA against Canada? Maybe you'll come out. Maybe you'll come out, for God's sake. Are you performing tonight?
8 p.m. Eastern? My show at the Miami Improv. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, cocky's fun, but Brian Callen for an hour? No, no, forgive me. Do you believe in miracles? You know what I'm saying? Brian Callen is performing at the Miami Improv. How dare we even compare USA against Canada? Maybe you'll come out. Maybe you'll come out, for God's sake. Are you performing tonight?
Tonight, two shows tomorrow, two shows Saturday. Take your pick. I roll out the red carpet. You come to the green room. We laugh. We hug.
Tonight, two shows tomorrow, two shows Saturday. Take your pick. I roll out the red carpet. You come to the green room. We laugh. We hug.
You get free water. You get to laugh hard for at least an hour and seven minutes.
You get free water. You get to laugh hard for at least an hour and seven minutes.
It's the most unique
It's the most unique
I can break a horse, brother. Oh, Daniel. That's sexy. Did you see that?
I can break a horse, brother. Oh, Daniel. That's sexy. Did you see that?
Yes, dude. Dude. What was it? 15 years ago. Yes. It was a horse show. Maybe more. Maybe more. Yeah, maybe more. What were you guys doing there? I had my kids. My daughter wanted to. She was a horse. It's a sick show. The amount of money I spent on horses for my kid, my ex and my daughter who would ride horses, my accountant calls me and he goes, how's the album going? I go, what?
Yes, dude. Dude. What was it? 15 years ago. Yes. It was a horse show. Maybe more. Maybe more. Yeah, maybe more. What were you guys doing there? I had my kids. My daughter wanted to. She was a horse. It's a sick show. The amount of money I spent on horses for my kid, my ex and my daughter who would ride horses, my accountant calls me and he goes, how's the album going? I go, what?
He goes, how's the album? What's it like to play for all those people? I go, it's Brian Callen. I mean, I play for people and not that many. He goes, you're not a rock star? I go... No, he goes, well, then stop spending like these horses. You're going to be broke. That's a good accountant. That's good. That's a good accountant. You know what he said to me?
He goes, how's the album? What's it like to play for all those people? I go, it's Brian Callen. I mean, I play for people and not that many. He goes, you're not a rock star? I go... No, he goes, well, then stop spending like these horses. You're going to be broke. That's a good accountant. That's good. That's a good accountant. You know what he said to me?
He goes, what kind of car do you want to drive? I said, what do you mean? He goes, for what you pay for these horses, what do you want? I go, what can I drive? He goes, pick anything. Pick any car you could drive that car right now. Wow.
He goes, what kind of car do you want to drive? I said, what do you mean? He goes, for what you pay for these horses, what do you want? I go, what can I drive? He goes, pick anything. Pick any car you could drive that car right now. Wow.
Yes. You did.
Yes. You did.
What? What are we talking about? No steroids. No steroids. Bro.
What? What are we talking about? No steroids. No steroids. Bro.
That's some Assyrian genetics, bro. Say something. That's from generations of persecution. We're warriors.
That's some Assyrian genetics, bro. Say something. That's from generations of persecution. We're warriors.
Right there. Hey, Patrick, you're a big boy. That's no joke.
Right there. Hey, Patrick, you're a big boy. That's no joke.
My voice changed. I was like, Benny, where are we going? You got shaved marks.
My voice changed. I was like, Benny, where are we going? You got shaved marks.
It was a great experience.
It was a great experience.
No, too much.
No, too much.
So what they're finding, I guess, is number one, a lot of Social Security numbers that are out there have been... recycled, taken from people that are dead by illegal immigrants. That's the one thing. That's actually the real story. And as far as this is concerned, this I think was an error when they did the accounting.
So what they're finding, I guess, is number one, a lot of Social Security numbers that are out there have been... recycled, taken from people that are dead by illegal immigrants. That's the one thing. That's actually the real story. And as far as this is concerned, this I think was an error when they did the accounting.
You're great with kids. He's great with my kid.
You're great with kids. He's great with my kid.
So those social security numbers of people that are dead are still registered in a database. And so they picked those up by accident. So I believe all of this has already been debunked. So this is the worry that I have as we're trying to audit the government and we're trying to make a difference here.
So those social security numbers of people that are dead are still registered in a database. And so they picked those up by accident. So I believe all of this has already been debunked. So this is the worry that I have as we're trying to audit the government and we're trying to make a difference here.
I thought you were going with the coffee for closers. That's the line.
I thought you were going with the coffee for closers. That's the line.
Again, it's what Trump does. He'll start with something like crazy and say something, and people go, whoa, hold on, that's crazy, 25%. And then, you know, we're starting to negotiate. Relax. That's how it starts. I'm throwing some things out. Your low ball or your high ball, and then you go and you meet in the middle. I'll give you $10 for the house.
Again, it's what Trump does. He'll start with something like crazy and say something, and people go, whoa, hold on, that's crazy, 25%. And then, you know, we're starting to negotiate. Relax. That's how it starts. I'm throwing some things out. Your low ball or your high ball, and then you go and you meet in the middle. I'll give you $10 for the house.
That's it.
That's it.
Vinny can actually speak.
Vinny can actually speak.
Just to be able to say, this is Stefano Ricci.
Just to be able to say, this is Stefano Ricci.
They think this is a spoof.
They think this is a spoof.
And I'm going to tell you this right now. I've seen sparrows land on his shoulders. And I've seen squirrels run up his legs. And with Adam, I've seen rats and crows land on my back. And that's when you know that he's evil. Scarecrow. That's true. If it's rats and crows, it's bad. Squirrels and sparrows.
And I'm going to tell you this right now. I've seen sparrows land on his shoulders. And I've seen squirrels run up his legs. And with Adam, I've seen rats and crows land on my back. And that's when you know that he's evil. Scarecrow. That's true. If it's rats and crows, it's bad. Squirrels and sparrows.
We can't get distracted by the sensational stories because a lot of times this is taking our eye off.
We can't get distracted by the sensational stories because a lot of times this is taking our eye off.
Callan Robb?
Callan Robb?
And I'll say Stefano. Stefano. This is Stefano Ricci. Why? What's the problem?
And I'll say Stefano. Stefano. This is Stefano Ricci. Why? What's the problem?
The bottom line is there is waste. We just don't want to get distracted by these...
The bottom line is there is waste. We just don't want to get distracted by these...
these stories so but it's not is it saying true or false it's not it's just reporting it it's not even giving you the it's yeah usually there's like a mostly true true false it's not but this has mostly been i think it's been by conservative journalists like like the spectator i'm sorry by by uh uh what the heck's it called um
these stories so but it's not is it saying true or false it's not it's just reporting it it's not even giving you the it's yeah usually there's like a mostly true true false it's not but this has mostly been i think it's been by conservative journalists like like the spectator i'm sorry by by uh uh what the heck's it called um
commentary magazine, like the conservative magazines, they have debunked this. It's not that there isn't a lot of waste in government and that this isn't a good audit that we're going to find. When they do this audit, you guys, it's so funny how we're talking about USAID. That's adorable. Wait till they get to Medicaid and Medicare. Wait till they get to the Pentagon. It's going to be insane.
commentary magazine, like the conservative magazines, they have debunked this. It's not that there isn't a lot of waste in government and that this isn't a good audit that we're going to find. When they do this audit, you guys, it's so funny how we're talking about USAID. That's adorable. Wait till they get to Medicaid and Medicare. Wait till they get to the Pentagon. It's going to be insane.
Do you know that there was an idea? The idea was when, during the Cold War, there was the idea that we're going to spend, and we let the Soviets know, we're going to spend $500 on a screw because we can, and you guys can't keep up with it. There was actually a culture of that. And that was almost a deliberate sort of, like, effort, a propaganda effort.
Do you know that there was an idea? The idea was when, during the Cold War, there was the idea that we're going to spend, and we let the Soviets know, we're going to spend $500 on a screw because we can, and you guys can't keep up with it. There was actually a culture of that. And that was almost a deliberate sort of, like, effort, a propaganda effort.
But when you see how much fraud there is in those agencies... Buckle up.
But when you see how much fraud there is in those agencies... Buckle up.
I just don't want to be played.
I just don't want to be played.
You know what I think meditation does? I think the point is, and I don't meditate a lot, is to get out of the way. To get out of the way.
You know what I think meditation does? I think the point is, and I don't meditate a lot, is to get out of the way. To get out of the way.
I heard a sports psychologist say that. He teaches baseball players. He would teach them.
I heard a sports psychologist say that. He teaches baseball players. He would teach them.
he would do this mantra which was one two get out of the way so when you're trying to hit a ball because it's really precise and you can't be overthinking you've got to just be totally reactive right your your your eye and your hands have to be married and motherfuckers are throwing 100 mile an hour balls and shit like yeah and um you ever you ever done that you ever stood in at a plate and had guys throw 100 miles an hour i have
he would do this mantra which was one two get out of the way so when you're trying to hit a ball because it's really precise and you can't be overthinking you've got to just be totally reactive right your your your eye and your hands have to be married and motherfuckers are throwing 100 mile an hour balls and shit like yeah and um you ever you ever done that you ever stood in at a plate and had guys throw 100 miles an hour i have
It's fucking terrifying. The idea of hitting that thing. Dude, it's terrifying. Yeah. But I wanted to try it and I wanted to see what it was like. And when your job depends on it, when everything rides on it, you better get out of your own way. And guys get the yips. That's why guys will go on hitting streaks and then they'll go on long dry spells because they get in their own way.
It's fucking terrifying. The idea of hitting that thing. Dude, it's terrifying. Yeah. But I wanted to try it and I wanted to see what it was like. And when your job depends on it, when everything rides on it, you better get out of your own way. And guys get the yips. That's why guys will go on hitting streaks and then they'll go on long dry spells because they get in their own way.
You know what I mean, though? I don't want to be played. I don't know what's true anymore.
You know what I mean, though? I don't want to be played. I don't know what's true anymore.
But I think part of like all of that meditation, Jamie, pull up the fucking Indian army. Did you see this? They were hiking in the Himalayas and they came across a Bodhisattva or a monk who was meditating in the snow and it was 40 below.
But I think part of like all of that meditation, Jamie, pull up the fucking Indian army. Did you see this? They were hiking in the Himalayas and they came across a Bodhisattva or a monk who was meditating in the snow and it was 40 below.
Yes, sir. You might want to bring this up so it can just... You know what Customano used to tell Mike Tyson?
Yes, sir. You might want to bring this up so it can just... You know what Customano used to tell Mike Tyson?
There's a guy meditating covered in snow. And it's fucking unbelievable. Whoa. That might be true, Bubba.
There's a guy meditating covered in snow. And it's fucking unbelievable. Whoa. That might be true, Bubba.
Yeah, they find these guys out there.
Yeah, they find these guys out there.
But there's a guy covered in snow, and he's not moving. And the Indian Army came across him.
But there's a guy covered in snow, and he's not moving. And the Indian Army came across him.
Well, you know those dudes in—you ever read Shantaram? You know those guys who take a vow to never sit down? They stand up. Oh, God.
Well, you know those dudes in—you ever read Shantaram? You know those guys who take a vow to never sit down? They stand up. Oh, God.
You see? I told you. I'm already like, I don't know.
You see? I told you. I'm already like, I don't know.
Their knees must be destroyed. They're the standing yogis. How bad are their knees? No, no. They get varicose veins. Their bodies, their feet start to melt. What? But they smoke copious amounts of weed. I mean, they're always high. Constantly.
Their knees must be destroyed. They're the standing yogis. How bad are their knees? No, no. They get varicose veins. Their bodies, their feet start to melt. What? But they smoke copious amounts of weed. I mean, they're always high. Constantly.
But they take a vow never to ever, ever sit. They are standing their whole life. So they sleep standing up in slings.
But they take a vow never to ever, ever sit. They are standing their whole life. So they sleep standing up in slings.
You can look that up. Just to fuck you up some more.
You can look that up. Just to fuck you up some more.
Yeah, they're like the famous standing yogis or something they're called. Where from, maybe?
Yeah, they're like the famous standing yogis or something they're called. Where from, maybe?
India, I think in Calcutta.
India, I think in Calcutta.
At the end of the day, they're trying to get laid.
At the end of the day, they're trying to get laid.
I think a lot of people are dealing with trauma. I think a lot of times you're going to either kill yourself or do something crazy, right? Sometimes.
I think a lot of people are dealing with trauma. I think a lot of times you're going to either kill yourself or do something crazy, right? Sometimes.
You know? I don't think you become a monk or a shaman. Joseph Campbell did a whole thing. Every shaman he studied – he was an expert at comparing Western and Eastern traditions. And he said every shaman – ever had gone through some kind of a mental breakdown, usually in their teens. And they came out of it because they had a society, a village that helped them through it.
You know? I don't think you become a monk or a shaman. Joseph Campbell did a whole thing. Every shaman he studied – he was an expert at comparing Western and Eastern traditions. And he said every shaman – ever had gone through some kind of a mental breakdown, usually in their teens. And they came out of it because they had a society, a village that helped them through it.
That sort of like understood that it was a schizophrenic break, but they were going through something and there was something on the other side of that. So they wouldn't medicate them.
That sort of like understood that it was a schizophrenic break, but they were going through something and there was something on the other side of that. So they wouldn't medicate them.
It's not a good... What did you have before?
It's not a good... What did you have before?
I saw that with my own eyes in 1984 in China. So this is how this guy stands.
I saw that with my own eyes in 1984 in China. So this is how this guy stands.
Donations. No, they curved one leg. Left his arm in the air, too.
Donations. No, they curved one leg. Left his arm in the air, too.
Forever. He keeps his arm up. Since 1973.
Forever. He keeps his arm up. Since 1973.
Yeah, I gave you two arms.
Yeah, I gave you two arms.
That's not the point, man.
That's not the point, man.
What does he do? What is that forever? So that's black power.
What does he do? What is that forever? So that's black power.
If you extend your fingers, it's racist.
If you extend your fingers, it's racist.
White power is just... Yeah, that's not... And Hitler did this.
White power is just... Yeah, that's not... And Hitler did this.
The New York Post is very conservative.
The New York Post is very conservative.
That Justin Baldoni thing?
That Justin Baldoni thing?
When you see what the New York Times did to Baldoni, where they took every one of those things out of context, and Baldoni was like, really? How about I see you for $250 million? And he's got fucking 90 pages of receipts. It's going to be very interesting.
When you see what the New York Times did to Baldoni, where they took every one of those things out of context, and Baldoni was like, really? How about I see you for $250 million? And he's got fucking 90 pages of receipts. It's going to be very interesting.
Yeah, I don't understand it.
Yeah, I don't understand it.
Yeah, that's what I like about the marketplace. The marketplace will find people that you can rely on.
Yeah, that's what I like about the marketplace. The marketplace will find people that you can rely on.
I feel like YouTube and now Facebook, they're all coming around.
I feel like YouTube and now Facebook, they're all coming around.
But I got to tell you, I do think this is how there's a sea change here. You got to have people with opposing points of view that are pro-business, et cetera. You have just all progressives in Sacramento and if you've got on the city council. But you know what? Until Angelenos wake up and start voting for intelligent people- Who are not, forget right or left.
But I got to tell you, I do think this is how there's a sea change here. You got to have people with opposing points of view that are pro-business, et cetera. You have just all progressives in Sacramento and if you've got on the city council. But you know what? Until Angelenos wake up and start voting for intelligent people- Who are not, forget right or left.
What is that? I don't understand that.
What is that? I don't understand that.
Tomorrow night. Tonight I'm doing two shows just to warm up. Theo Vaughn's stopping by, which I'm excited about.
Tomorrow night. Tonight I'm doing two shows just to warm up. Theo Vaughn's stopping by, which I'm excited about.
Sold out already, all shows. Of course. Which is exciting. Of course.
Sold out already, all shows. Of course. Which is exciting. Of course.
How about practical people who understand infrastructure?
How about practical people who understand infrastructure?
Because the roads, I lived there, man. The roads, the fucking power line, it's all from 1950s, okay? So let's wake the fuck up.
Because the roads, I lived there, man. The roads, the fucking power line, it's all from 1950s, okay? So let's wake the fuck up.
Yes, I forgot about those from space. I wonder who's controlling those.
Yes, I forgot about those from space. I wonder who's controlling those.
Yes, the invisible circle of Jews. Every conspiracy theory always goes right back to that. I'm just saying.
Yes, the invisible circle of Jews. Every conspiracy theory always goes right back to that. I'm just saying.
They blame the Black Plague on them. They're like, you guys cover your wells. My thing about that is whenever people go bad on the Jews, I'm always like, yeah. Do you like Hollywood? They invented that.
They blame the Black Plague on them. They're like, you guys cover your wells. My thing about that is whenever people go bad on the Jews, I'm always like, yeah. Do you like Hollywood? They invented that.
They're incredible. Nobody wants to.
They're incredible. Nobody wants to.
Let's just talk about art and everything else. Einstein, Freud.
Let's just talk about art and everything else. Einstein, Freud.
You think? That's sitcom money.
You think? That's sitcom money.
No, that's a high wage, sir. 750 grand for a city employer who's- For someone just like, fill that one. How the- How are the aquifers today? Get the water in that one. You know what? We got to protect the Delta smelt, whatever the fuck that is.
No, that's a high wage, sir. 750 grand for a city employer who's- For someone just like, fill that one. How the- How are the aquifers today? Get the water in that one. You know what? We got to protect the Delta smelt, whatever the fuck that is.
It goes on and on. How many comics?
It goes on and on. How many comics?
My wife, I smoked one of these and I didn't brush my teeth. I woke up the next morning and my wife said, your breath is four dimensional.
My wife, I smoked one of these and I didn't brush my teeth. I woke up the next morning and my wife said, your breath is four dimensional.
I might be doing that, too, if my survival depended on it.
I might be doing that, too, if my survival depended on it.
Let's set them up. Let's set them up. Have we ever, has there been any, what is with the list? Here's my theory on the Jeffrey Epstein thing. See what you think.
Let's set them up. Let's set them up. Have we ever, has there been any, what is with the list? Here's my theory on the Jeffrey Epstein thing. See what you think.
I think that the people are so powerful that I know in certain cases the lawyers go to the lawyers of these powerful people. And they go, how you doing? Now. Now. We got some evidence that your client, who's a family man and everything else, was banging girls on Jeffrey's Island.
I think that the people are so powerful that I know in certain cases the lawyers go to the lawyers of these powerful people. And they go, how you doing? Now. Now. We got some evidence that your client, who's a family man and everything else, was banging girls on Jeffrey's Island.
Sure. Hey, dude. Hold on. What kind of podcast is this?
Sure. Hey, dude. Hold on. What kind of podcast is this?
As I put this shit cigar in my mouth.
As I put this shit cigar in my mouth.
Yeah, it's great. But I think what happened was there was a lot of money and every one of those fucking people got paid off. I think it just went away because there's money. They came to these really rich people and they were like, What's your privacy worth? What's your reputation worth? How about $10 million?
Yeah, it's great. But I think what happened was there was a lot of money and every one of those fucking people got paid off. I think it just went away because there's money. They came to these really rich people and they were like, What's your privacy worth? What's your reputation worth? How about $10 million?
He was very good at laundering money, I guess.
He was very good at laundering money, I guess.
Right. He was like, this is a construct.
Right. He was like, this is a construct.
I would tell you his theory on what he thinks this whole thing is, this whole, you know, it's a simulation or whatever. Because, you know, so Newton, there's Newtonian physics, right, which is this matter here. And then there's quantum physics, study of the electron that Einstein was the pioneer of and blah, blah, blah.
I would tell you his theory on what he thinks this whole thing is, this whole, you know, it's a simulation or whatever. Because, you know, so Newton, there's Newtonian physics, right, which is this matter here. And then there's quantum physics, study of the electron that Einstein was the pioneer of and blah, blah, blah.
So Einstein was working on what's called a theory of everything, which was the bridge. Because a lot of times the rules in this ether, in Newtonian, in the world that we live in, are different when it comes to gravity and light than they are on a quantum level. So what is the bridge? How do we bring them together? How do we reconcile both realities? Right. So that's the theory of everything.
So Einstein was working on what's called a theory of everything, which was the bridge. Because a lot of times the rules in this ether, in Newtonian, in the world that we live in, are different when it comes to gravity and light than they are on a quantum level. So what is the bridge? How do we bring them together? How do we reconcile both realities? Right. So that's the theory of everything.
So Eric is obsessed with that and kind of works on that.
So Eric is obsessed with that and kind of works on that.
Yeah, so his idea is that maybe the singularity is already here, and maybe we're already machines. So watch this. So we're already machines replicating better machines, better versions of ourselves. And it's kind of an interesting thing because it kind of dovetails with Buddhism, right? So watch this. I'm going to do an experiment on you that a Buddhist Rinpoche will ask somebody.
Yeah, so his idea is that maybe the singularity is already here, and maybe we're already machines. So watch this. So we're already machines replicating better machines, better versions of ourselves. And it's kind of an interesting thing because it kind of dovetails with Buddhism, right? So watch this. I'm going to do an experiment on you that a Buddhist Rinpoche will ask somebody.
Oh, should I get prepared? Get in the lotus position. There it is. Oh. There it is. Dude, good breathing. I'm ready. Good breathing.
Oh, should I get prepared? Get in the lotus position. There it is. Oh. There it is. Dude, good breathing. I'm ready. Good breathing.
Here's my whole philosophy. You guys know, you know that we have a Tinder box. You can say there are a lot of people that live there. The fires are always a potential. If that's the case, then please make sure the fire hydrants... We've got to be able to figure it out. California came up with AI. Silicon Valley was pretty innovative people.
Here's my whole philosophy. You guys know, you know that we have a Tinder box. You can say there are a lot of people that live there. The fires are always a potential. If that's the case, then please make sure the fire hydrants... We've got to be able to figure it out. California came up with AI. Silicon Valley was pretty innovative people.
It doesn't work for me.
It doesn't work for me.
My buddy did that shit. He did the toad thing.
My buddy did that shit. He did the toad thing.
He called me up. He goes, everything's different now. I'm like, all right, calm down.
He called me up. He goes, everything's different now. I'm like, all right, calm down.
Yeah, you hear those guys a lot. That's kind of why I'm... Like Zen masters will say, I have nothing to teach you because once you, the part of you. So the idea would be you can't improve yourself. What? Because the part of you that wants to improve yourself is the part that needs improving.
Yeah, you hear those guys a lot. That's kind of why I'm... Like Zen masters will say, I have nothing to teach you because once you, the part of you. So the idea would be you can't improve yourself. What? Because the part of you that wants to improve yourself is the part that needs improving.
So until you get out of, until you get out of your own way and you realize that you, this, this construct called yourself is an imagined construct. You've invented this. So like Sam Harrison, he studies the Vedanta, right? So in his book, Spirituality Without Religion, he does this experiment, which the Buddhists will have you do. They'll say, so you're watching me right now. I'm talking.
So until you get out of, until you get out of your own way and you realize that you, this, this construct called yourself is an imagined construct. You've invented this. So like Sam Harrison, he studies the Vedanta, right? So in his book, Spirituality Without Religion, he does this experiment, which the Buddhists will have you do. They'll say, so you're watching me right now. I'm talking.
Now, there's this guy named Joe Rogan, okay? And we know Joe Rogan's got this. But for a second, try to locate where you really are. In other words, where are you actually listening to me from? Where are you? Where is the seat of your attention? Are you behind your face? Are you here? And if you try to do that, it's kind of impossible to locate where...
Now, there's this guy named Joe Rogan, okay? And we know Joe Rogan's got this. But for a second, try to locate where you really are. In other words, where are you actually listening to me from? Where are you? Where is the seat of your attention? Are you behind your face? Are you here? And if you try to do that, it's kind of impossible to locate where...
I turned to the other member. He's not ready yet. He's not ready. We have to break him down further.
I turned to the other member. He's not ready yet. He's not ready. We have to break him down further.
Because the idea would be you can observe your brain, so you can observe your thoughts. You can observe your body, and you can observe your emotions. You can actually step outside and watch that stuff. And they get really good at that. They get really good at realizing that you're none of those things. You might be the observer, whoever that is or whatever that is. And that's kind of where they...
Because the idea would be you can observe your brain, so you can observe your thoughts. You can observe your body, and you can observe your emotions. You can actually step outside and watch that stuff. And they get really good at that. They get really good at realizing that you're none of those things. You might be the observer, whoever that is or whatever that is. And that's kind of where they...
It's kind of an interesting exercise. That's why you see these dudes, that guy, that monk who set himself on fire, right, in 1963. Oh, the Vietnam photo? Now, David Halberstam from the New York Times said he didn't make a sound. They watched him, and he literally, they heard the air leave his lungs, and he just fell over.
It's kind of an interesting exercise. That's why you see these dudes, that guy, that monk who set himself on fire, right, in 1963. Oh, the Vietnam photo? Now, David Halberstam from the New York Times said he didn't make a sound. They watched him, and he literally, they heard the air leave his lungs, and he just fell over.
Let's figure out a way to keep the fucking... Very different people.
Let's figure out a way to keep the fucking... Very different people.
Well, she was also probably asleep or something.
Well, she was also probably asleep or something.
Yeah, but he also didn't move.
Yeah, but he also didn't move.
So he left his body. He was watching himself. That would be the idea behind- That's what they would say.
So he left his body. He was watching himself. That would be the idea behind- That's what they would say.
Yeah. Well, have you seen those videos? How about when the Indian Army went up? This is recent. That is such a fucking crazy photo.
Yeah. Well, have you seen those videos? How about when the Indian Army went up? This is recent. That is such a fucking crazy photo.
To protest the way the president of South Vietnam at the time, who was a staunch Roman Catholic, was treating Buddhists. And he said, please have some compassion and lit himself on fire.
To protest the way the president of South Vietnam at the time, who was a staunch Roman Catholic, was treating Buddhists. And he said, please have some compassion and lit himself on fire.
What a bad motherfucker.
What a bad motherfucker.
Because you're attached to a sensation.
Because you're attached to a sensation.
If you burn me with this cigar, I'd be like, fuck it! I can't do that.
If you burn me with this cigar, I'd be like, fuck it! I can't do that.
Well, get some people down in government who are innovative like that. What the fuck are we doing? I don't want to do that job. Do you know the city council of Los Angeles? Four of the members of the city council are far left social Democrats. How about that? There's zero pushback on ideas. It's just all ideology.
Well, get some people down in government who are innovative like that. What the fuck are we doing? I don't want to do that job. Do you know the city council of Los Angeles? Four of the members of the city council are far left social Democrats. How about that? There's zero pushback on ideas. It's just all ideology.
Yeah, when we were younger, both you and I, we'd start shouting our opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about winning.
Yeah, when we were younger, both you and I, we'd start shouting our opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about winning.
I feel like I did a little bit, too. Yeah.
I feel like I did a little bit, too. Yeah.
That's what my aunt and uncle said. They go, we just can't believe you're not in jail or fucking on drugs.
That's what my aunt and uncle said. They go, we just can't believe you're not in jail or fucking on drugs.
My parents were awesome, though.
My parents were awesome, though.
Fidelity to authority, too.
Fidelity to authority, too.
And also, the left has also become very good at destruction in a lot of ways. I'm not saying the right doesn't have its problems, but the left has become... Like, you and I were talking about this. Like, if you disagree with the left, they will come after everything. Everything. The right kind of goes, you're an idiot, and they'll make fun of you and do a meme about you. Yeah.
And also, the left has also become very good at destruction in a lot of ways. I'm not saying the right doesn't have its problems, but the left has become... Like, you and I were talking about this. Like, if you disagree with the left, they will come after everything. Everything. The right kind of goes, you're an idiot, and they'll make fun of you and do a meme about you. Yeah.
But the left, you know, and that's... That's what I call the make or break machine. You know, if you look at, um, and this is one of the things I talk about with my, my specialists that just, you, you, you take Caitlyn Jenner who came out, uh, Bruce Jenner has an operation for eight, eight hours comes as, as, as Caitlyn Jenner. A minute later, it was an eight hour.
But the left, you know, and that's... That's what I call the make or break machine. You know, if you look at, um, and this is one of the things I talk about with my, my specialists that just, you, you, you take Caitlyn Jenner who came out, uh, Bruce Jenner has an operation for eight, eight hours comes as, as, as Caitlyn Jenner. A minute later, it was an eight hour.
The first one was about eight hours on the face. Did a great job by the way. By the way, how about this? Can I just say this? Like, don't say you'd fuck her. No, no, no. Take it easy. But I'm just saying. Don't say it. I'm just saying. You're thinking of saying it. How about a little something for the surgeon? He should have won artist of the year. Bruce Jenner was a 65-year-old man.
The first one was about eight hours on the face. Did a great job by the way. By the way, how about this? Can I just say this? Like, don't say you'd fuck her. No, no, no. Take it easy. But I'm just saying. Don't say it. I'm just saying. You're thinking of saying it. How about a little something for the surgeon? He should have won artist of the year. Bruce Jenner was a 65-year-old man.
Looked like a 45-year-old woman. Came out of it. But a minute later, won woman of the year. All right, dude. Listen, we all have our taste, okay? I'm sorry.
Looked like a 45-year-old woman. Came out of it. But a minute later, won woman of the year. All right, dude. Listen, we all have our taste, okay? I'm sorry.
I'm saying with makeup on Glamour magazine, look very good.
I'm saying with makeup on Glamour magazine, look very good.
That's why I don't take any advice on health from 26-year-olds.
That's why I don't take any advice on health from 26-year-olds.
I got to warm my feet up in the morning.
I got to warm my feet up in the morning.
Correct. I'm calcifying, motherfucker. None of your shit's going to help my calcification. I'm dying. I have arthritis. So do I. Yeah. So do I. I got to warm my feet up before I get out of the car. Okay? I have a whole thing about that, but... You know, that's the reality of getting older.
Correct. I'm calcifying, motherfucker. None of your shit's going to help my calcification. I'm dying. I have arthritis. So do I. Yeah. So do I. I got to warm my feet up before I get out of the car. Okay? I have a whole thing about that, but... You know, that's the reality of getting older.
I know. He's got a thick neck. He's got a perm. He's actually handsome. He's wearing a jewel. He's wearing his jewelry. Very expensive watch. He looks great.
I know. He's got a thick neck. He's got a perm. He's actually handsome. He's wearing a jewel. He's wearing his jewelry. Very expensive watch. He looks great.
I was telling you this the other day. I think his political transformation is interesting because, now there's a cynical view. It's from jujitsu. Agreed. When you do MMA and you're around other men and your testosterone goes up, you start to feel your body. You put your hands on the world. You're going to have a different perspective, for real. It's going to change.
I was telling you this the other day. I think his political transformation is interesting because, now there's a cynical view. It's from jujitsu. Agreed. When you do MMA and you're around other men and your testosterone goes up, you start to feel your body. You put your hands on the world. You're going to have a different perspective, for real. It's going to change.
Of course I didn't brush my teeth before I went to bed. Give a fuck. You know what I mean? You're married. You're married. She was like, I love you so much. Your breath is four dimensional. You know, these fires.
Of course I didn't brush my teeth before I went to bed. Give a fuck. You know what I mean? You're married. You're married. She was like, I love you so much. Your breath is four dimensional. You know, these fires.
They have done studies, I believe, Jamie, you can look this up, where when they raise a man's testosterone, he becomes more conservative, more right wing.
They have done studies, I believe, Jamie, you can look this up, where when they raise a man's testosterone, he becomes more conservative, more right wing.
And now his whole life up here. Now he's down here.
And now his whole life up here. Now he's down here.
Yeah. His voice sounds different even. Yeah, he's good. He's becoming a man. Well, fucking broke. Men are raised by women in our schools and stuff. And because of this, probably in the past 30 years, masculinity was always considered, they were taught it's a liability.
Yeah. His voice sounds different even. Yeah, he's good. He's becoming a man. Well, fucking broke. Men are raised by women in our schools and stuff. And because of this, probably in the past 30 years, masculinity was always considered, they were taught it's a liability.
Well, the woke ideology had a major problem, which was it was reductive. Right? It would reduce a complicated world to a binary world, which is ironic, by the way. But it would sort of say, I can solve all this. There are oppressors and oppressed. There's power and powerless people.
Well, the woke ideology had a major problem, which was it was reductive. Right? It would reduce a complicated world to a binary world, which is ironic, by the way. But it would sort of say, I can solve all this. There are oppressors and oppressed. There's power and powerless people.
black and white also there's no forgiveness zero forgiveness don't apologize they'll really crucify you and you can't there's no retribution there's no way to come back but my 13 year old son you can see these kids now at 13 don't start talking to him about this shit because these kids are like they've already been they figured it out at 13 I'm telling you my son was like I don't feel I don't like this shit I want to do jujitsu and wrestle all the time fuck off also podcasts correct
black and white also there's no forgiveness zero forgiveness don't apologize they'll really crucify you and you can't there's no retribution there's no way to come back but my 13 year old son you can see these kids now at 13 don't start talking to him about this shit because these kids are like they've already been they figured it out at 13 I'm telling you my son was like I don't feel I don't like this shit I want to do jujitsu and wrestle all the time fuck off also podcasts correct
I have a whole joke about that. It's like there are a couple of things. My whole joke is this. I can't call my friends. I had this joke. I was like, if I call my friends and I'm like, I'm sad, my friends can call me. You got the wrong number, pussy. And it's like, Joe Rogan, that's a mean way to talk to me, you know? But it's true. I remember one time I called you. This is fucking great.
I have a whole joke about that. It's like there are a couple of things. My whole joke is this. I can't call my friends. I had this joke. I was like, if I call my friends and I'm like, I'm sad, my friends can call me. You got the wrong number, pussy. And it's like, Joe Rogan, that's a mean way to talk to me, you know? But it's true. I remember one time I called you. This is fucking great.
I called you and I remember my audition went bad and it was like the third, I would get right there. I was about to, and back then, remember, if you got a TV show, your money problems were gone for a while. All I thought about was I get to drink great wine and buy a fucking house and take a minute, right?
I called you and I remember my audition went bad and it was like the third, I would get right there. I was about to, and back then, remember, if you got a TV show, your money problems were gone for a while. All I thought about was I get to drink great wine and buy a fucking house and take a minute, right?
you're thinking of a nice car remember that and I fucking called you and I go like this I go fuck dude I don't know I was good and he goes you can't be good you gotta be great I go I know I know I know I just I don't know I'm just I don't know I just can't I can't figure it out and I was bummed right and I was basically saying I'm sad and you fucking go you go yeah and he goes what do you want to do tonight I go I don't know I just let it down he goes
you're thinking of a nice car remember that and I fucking called you and I go like this I go fuck dude I don't know I was good and he goes you can't be good you gotta be great I go I know I know I know I just I don't know I'm just I don't know I just can't I can't figure it out and I was bummed right and I was basically saying I'm sad and you fucking go you go yeah and he goes what do you want to do tonight I go I don't know I just let it down he goes
Hey, you'll be all right. Let's just fucking go out and eat and do something. You'll figure it out. Fucking relax. Don't get all mopey about this shit. I was like, okay. And that was it.
Hey, you'll be all right. Let's just fucking go out and eat and do something. You'll figure it out. Fucking relax. Don't get all mopey about this shit. I was like, okay. And that was it.
My favorite was that one of the women said, you want people to look like you.
My favorite was that one of the women said, you want people to look like you.
And I'm like, hey, listen, hey, lady, when my house is on fire and I'm trying to get my kids out, I'm not going to be like, hey, can I get some people that look like me? Because this doesn't make me feel safe.
And I'm like, hey, listen, hey, lady, when my house is on fire and I'm trying to get my kids out, I'm not going to be like, hey, can I get some people that look like me? Because this doesn't make me feel safe.
I remember you bought that Acura, the new Acura.
I remember you bought that Acura, the new Acura.
Yeah, dude. I loved it. You used to pick me up in that shit. I was like, what the fuck?
Yeah, dude. I loved it. You used to pick me up in that shit. I was like, what the fuck?
You remember when I was doing that? I finally got my own show. I'm doing those shows. I was like, I fucking do it. I don't like this. I want to do stand-up now. Now I told you. The cool thing about being 57, I'm enjoying stand-up more now than I ever have. Well, you're smarter now.
You remember when I was doing that? I finally got my own show. I'm doing those shows. I was like, I fucking do it. I don't like this. I want to do stand-up now. Now I told you. The cool thing about being 57, I'm enjoying stand-up more now than I ever have. Well, you're smarter now.
They can be white as the driven snow. If they look like a white walker and they can get me out of that fucking fire, I'm in. I want Brian Shaw.
They can be white as the driven snow. If they look like a white walker and they can get me out of that fucking fire, I'm in. I want Brian Shaw.
With a mustache that goes like this.
With a mustache that goes like this.
I'm so gay that when I saw they came by, I saw some firemen, and I didn't know what to do. I wanted to say something like, go get them, guys, or something like that. And I literally went like this. I went – I saluted them.
I'm so gay that when I saw they came by, I saw some firemen, and I didn't know what to do. I wanted to say something like, go get them, guys, or something like that. And I literally went like this. I went – I saluted them.
Tom is the best. So did I. So did I. I was in college. And I was at the Improv in New York, and my father took me to, we sat there and watched Dom Herrera. I remember that's why when I come off stage at the Laugh Factory, and I was still a little in awe of Dom. And Dom goes, Bri, come over here. And I was like, oh, maybe he's going to give me some pointers, you know.
Tom is the best. So did I. So did I. I was in college. And I was at the Improv in New York, and my father took me to, we sat there and watched Dom Herrera. I remember that's why when I come off stage at the Laugh Factory, and I was still a little in awe of Dom. And Dom goes, Bri, come over here. And I was like, oh, maybe he's going to give me some pointers, you know.
And I go, he goes, you know what I love about your act? I go, what? And he goes, you don't go for the laughs.
And I go, he goes, you know what I love about your act? I go, what? And he goes, you don't go for the laughs.
He's a real comic, man.
He's a real comic, man.
I have two small children now because what I want to do is what you want to do is you want to get divorced and then you want to have get married again to a woman who's 23 years younger and then have two more kids because that's good.
I have two small children now because what I want to do is what you want to do is you want to get divorced and then you want to have get married again to a woman who's 23 years younger and then have two more kids because that's good.
Yeah, but my wife is so funny because my wife is very handy, and I said – And we had an evacuation where I looked at her and I go, I got to go do Joe's podcast and then shoot my special at the mothership. But I feel guilty about leaving you here. And she goes, what are you going to do? You can't change a tire. I got this.
Yeah, but my wife is so funny because my wife is very handy, and I said – And we had an evacuation where I looked at her and I go, I got to go do Joe's podcast and then shoot my special at the mothership. But I feel guilty about leaving you here. And she goes, what are you going to do? You can't change a tire. I got this.
So it doesn't matter if it's solids or strips?
So it doesn't matter if it's solids or strips?
Yeah. But I'm saying when you master something like that, I'm not saying your marriage is going to be great. I'm saying when you master something like that, it's a very good way to really get to know yourself.
Yeah. But I'm saying when you master something like that, I'm not saying your marriage is going to be great. I'm saying when you master something like that, it's a very good way to really get to know yourself.
So he changed to a different –
So he changed to a different –
And when you have a match, how many games are you playing?
And when you have a match, how many games are you playing?
Wait, a race, 120 games?
Wait, a race, 120 games?
I'm in an area where I'm good.
I'm in an area where I'm good.
That becomes a physical game too now. Now you're actually an athlete a little bit. Well, sort of.
That becomes a physical game too now. Now you're actually an athlete a little bit. Well, sort of.
Yeah, but your body can't break down.
Yeah, but your body can't break down.
You never get really big fatzos that can handle... There used to be a guy... What I love about The Hustler, one of the greatest movies ever with Paul Newman, is when Jackie... What the fuck's his name? Gleason. Jackie Gleason said, it really came down to character. He washed his hands, washed his face, and drew a blank and came back and beat him.
You never get really big fatzos that can handle... There used to be a guy... What I love about The Hustler, one of the greatest movies ever with Paul Newman, is when Jackie... What the fuck's his name? Gleason. Jackie Gleason said, it really came down to character. He washed his hands, washed his face, and drew a blank and came back and beat him.
That was a really interesting lesson for me as a young man.
That was a really interesting lesson for me as a young man.
But everything at the highest level is those micro adjustments.
But everything at the highest level is those micro adjustments.
They say when Rafa Nadal is one of the greatest tennis players ever. When he won Wimbledon, they're all clapping. He comes in and the legend goes, I don't know if it's true, but I heard it makes sense. He's coming in and he's going like this. He goes, I think my grip, I think I want to, he's not even paying attention. He's talking to his coach.
They say when Rafa Nadal is one of the greatest tennis players ever. When he won Wimbledon, they're all clapping. He comes in and the legend goes, I don't know if it's true, but I heard it makes sense. He's coming in and he's going like this. He goes, I think my grip, I think I want to, he's not even paying attention. He's talking to his coach.
I feel like my grip should be just a little bit like that or still making micro adjustments. You just won Wimbledon.
I feel like my grip should be just a little bit like that or still making micro adjustments. You just won Wimbledon.
But isn't stand-up like, so I'm going to shoot this special, and I'm going to throw it away, and I've got to start again. And just because I've done five specials doesn't mean it's going to be easier. It's going to be a motherfucker because I've got to come up with – I've got to make sure I don't repeat myself. I've got to make sure I'm not – You've got to have something to say.
But isn't stand-up like, so I'm going to shoot this special, and I'm going to throw it away, and I've got to start again. And just because I've done five specials doesn't mean it's going to be easier. It's going to be a motherfucker because I've got to come up with – I've got to make sure I don't repeat myself. I've got to make sure I'm not – You've got to have something to say.
You've got something to say? You can't get calcified?
You've got something to say? You can't get calcified?
Do you ever get tired of talking to – do you ever get tired of doing this podcast even though you have very interesting people?
Do you ever get tired of talking to – do you ever get tired of doing this podcast even though you have very interesting people?
I like trying to think about- Yeah, because you have a lot of problem solvers on this podcast, too.
I like trying to think about- Yeah, because you have a lot of problem solvers on this podcast, too.
We all were. Yeah. I think what was interesting is we would, I'd have these opinions and I'd, I'd, I'd state these truths and then like somebody would Google it and be like, Hey, Hey dude, no. It's like I had this hilarious fucking typical Brian. I'm talking about cows, grass fed, all this shit. Hey, Hey man, I've never been on a farm. Okay. Never, never raised cows.
We all were. Yeah. I think what was interesting is we would, I'd have these opinions and I'd, I'd, I'd state these truths and then like somebody would Google it and be like, Hey, Hey dude, no. It's like I had this hilarious fucking typical Brian. I'm talking about cows, grass fed, all this shit. Hey, Hey man, I've never been on a farm. Okay. Never, never raised cows.
The farmer goes, Hey, I love your podcast. Brian's wrong about everything he said, but it's cool. I fucking emailed the guy back, you know, I'm talking to him. And he gave me an education. He's like, I mean, what you're saying is just not true when it comes to how you raise cows. And there was a thousand things, of course, I had no idea. That's the biggest liability, I think, in a lot of ways.
The farmer goes, Hey, I love your podcast. Brian's wrong about everything he said, but it's cool. I fucking emailed the guy back, you know, I'm talking to him. And he gave me an education. He's like, I mean, what you're saying is just not true when it comes to how you raise cows. And there was a thousand things, of course, I had no idea. That's the biggest liability, I think, in a lot of ways.
Yeah, this is like Mike Catherwood. You know Mike? Great guy. Do you know Mike Catherwood? He was on Loveline.
Yeah, this is like Mike Catherwood. You know Mike? Great guy. Do you know Mike Catherwood? He was on Loveline.
Psycho Mike Hathaway. That's right. So Mike comes down with his wife, who's an actress, and they're like, I'm going to be in Austin on the outskirts, and I want to live on a farm. Did he move here? Yeah, he's a kid from L.A. He goes, I get here, and we got guinea fowl. We got little sheep. We got rabbits. We got all— And fucking the snakes are eating all my eggs.
Psycho Mike Hathaway. That's right. So Mike comes down with his wife, who's an actress, and they're like, I'm going to be in Austin on the outskirts, and I want to live on a farm. Did he move here? Yeah, he's a kid from L.A. He goes, I get here, and we got guinea fowl. We got little sheep. We got rabbits. We got all— And fucking the snakes are eating all my eggs.
The guinea fowl getting decimated by coyotes, foxes, whatever the fuck it is out there. I mean, everything's dying. I'm just getting decimated by hawks coming in. I'll take your bunnies. That's adorable. You think you can raise bunnies? So they're just getting decimated. Guess what they did? What's the one change they made?
The guinea fowl getting decimated by coyotes, foxes, whatever the fuck it is out there. I mean, everything's dying. I'm just getting decimated by hawks coming in. I'll take your bunnies. That's adorable. You think you can raise bunnies? So they're just getting decimated. Guess what they did? What's the one change they made?
They got two Anatolian shepherds.
They got two Anatolian shepherds.
And bro, he said, even the fucking snakes are on those. He's like, those fucking dogs are just like, coyotes? Excuse me, sir?
And bro, he said, even the fucking snakes are on those. He's like, those fucking dogs are just like, coyotes? Excuse me, sir?
Those fucking things will just patrol your grounds, and anything on four legs is going to pay a very dear price.
Those fucking things will just patrol your grounds, and anything on four legs is going to pay a very dear price.
Count me in. I'll wear a tweed jacket. I'll smoke cigars. I'm not going to do any of the work, but I'll supervise.
Count me in. I'll wear a tweed jacket. I'll smoke cigars. I'm not going to do any of the work, but I'll supervise.
But what if you had out like a big pond with fish? Yeah. So you can fish.
But what if you had out like a big pond with fish? Yeah. So you can fish.
You had land you can shoot your own... Let me tell you about freshwater fish. Yeah?
You had land you can shoot your own... Let me tell you about freshwater fish. Yeah?
Yeah, mercury is not good for the body.
Yeah, mercury is not good for the body.
Did I ever tell you the conversation I had with Arnold Schwarzenegger? I was with John Leguizamo.
Did I ever tell you the conversation I had with Arnold Schwarzenegger? I was with John Leguizamo.
Well, that was the Great Migration, right? So from the South, a huge number of black people went up to Detroit looking for jobs. And the problem was when they got to there, first of all, the auto industry started to get decimated because it started to move toward Japan and different countries. In the 50s? I can't remember. See when the Great Migration was. It was before that.
Well, that was the Great Migration, right? So from the South, a huge number of black people went up to Detroit looking for jobs. And the problem was when they got to there, first of all, the auto industry started to get decimated because it started to move toward Japan and different countries. In the 50s? I can't remember. See when the Great Migration was. It was before that.
This was before that. I was doing that movie.
This was before that. I was doing that movie.
Well, they had jobs and there was a whole thriving community. But really what happened also is that the auto workers union, I'm sorry, but it kept black people out of it. There's a lot of racism that went on. So a lot of people couldn't find jobs.
Well, they had jobs and there was a whole thriving community. But really what happened also is that the auto workers union, I'm sorry, but it kept black people out of it. There's a lot of racism that went on. So a lot of people couldn't find jobs.
Well, it was like the Puerto Rican exodus from Puerto Rico to New York. They went up there looking for manufacturing jobs. Then the manufacturing jobs coincided with moving south. So you had this massive number of people who didn't have anywhere to go.
Well, it was like the Puerto Rican exodus from Puerto Rico to New York. They went up there looking for manufacturing jobs. Then the manufacturing jobs coincided with moving south. So you had this massive number of people who didn't have anywhere to go.
Well, the biggest thing that every mainstream publication is in crisis, and I think they've earned it. They've deserved it. The New York Times still makes money, but primarily not because of their articles that people read. It's primarily because they're crosswords. They're puzzles.
Well, the biggest thing that every mainstream publication is in crisis, and I think they've earned it. They've deserved it. The New York Times still makes money, but primarily not because of their articles that people read. It's primarily because they're crosswords. They're puzzles.
But when you take things out of context and you have journalists that are 26 years old and have an ideological bent, the rest of us are going, the news doesn't reflect the world I live in. Whatever the fuck you're saying, I don't know who this is. I've never seen this. I live in a very different world. And it's going to be interesting to see.
But when you take things out of context and you have journalists that are 26 years old and have an ideological bent, the rest of us are going, the news doesn't reflect the world I live in. Whatever the fuck you're saying, I don't know who this is. I've never seen this. I live in a very different world. And it's going to be interesting to see.
I think there's a liability, though, where podcasts take the place of mainstream media in some ways, because then you have somebody who's very good at talking for three hours and they can really sway a lot of people. But that's one side of their story. So now you have just that.
I think there's a liability, though, where podcasts take the place of mainstream media in some ways, because then you have somebody who's very good at talking for three hours and they can really sway a lot of people. But that's one side of their story. So now you have just that.
So you have to be careful because sometimes it could just move things over here where, again, the truth is somewhere in the middle a lot of times or it's more nuanced or there's just more to know.
So you have to be careful because sometimes it could just move things over here where, again, the truth is somewhere in the middle a lot of times or it's more nuanced or there's just more to know.
What's the evidence, too?
What's the evidence, too?
Well, it's also about ratings, right?
Well, it's also about ratings, right?
No. No. No. What do you mean?
No. No. No. What do you mean?
Imagine if I was, like, saying things. Yeah, how'd that come across? Can we do that again?
Imagine if I was, like, saying things. Yeah, how'd that come across? Can we do that again?
You didn't even catch it. Oh, you fucker. Oh, wait a minute. Hey, you motherfucker. You're saying that Mark Zuckerberg and Mel Gibson get better ratings than me? This is bullshit. Occasionally.
You didn't even catch it. Oh, you fucker. Oh, wait a minute. Hey, you motherfucker. You're saying that Mark Zuckerberg and Mel Gibson get better ratings than me? This is bullshit. Occasionally.
on a podcast or whatever, when they say, you guys, all those people over there are wrong. I'm the one whistleblower. I figured out I'm the one. Now you do have Mavericks, but I always am weary of when I hear somebody go, all that, the entire medical establishment is wrong. And I'm right. And I go, I don't think so. I just don't think you know enough. I don't think you as one person.
on a podcast or whatever, when they say, you guys, all those people over there are wrong. I'm the one whistleblower. I figured out I'm the one. Now you do have Mavericks, but I always am weary of when I hear somebody go, all that, the entire medical establishment is wrong. And I'm right. And I go, I don't think so. I just don't think you know enough. I don't think you as one person.
I'm not going to just put all my bags. There is something called a scientific consensus. Sometimes that can be a bullshit consensus. We can be told that climate scientists all agree. It's not true. It's just how you get funding. So sometimes the incentive structures are there.
I'm not going to just put all my bags. There is something called a scientific consensus. Sometimes that can be a bullshit consensus. We can be told that climate scientists all agree. It's not true. It's just how you get funding. So sometimes the incentive structures are there.
Correct. Let's just be a little bit more, you know.
Correct. Let's just be a little bit more, you know.
I also know some CIA people, like real CIA people. And you talk to them and it's like, they're always like this. They're always like, dude, I wish we were as competent as people say. I mean, if you were involved- Talk to Evan Hafer.
I also know some CIA people, like real CIA people. And you talk to them and it's like, they're always like this. They're always like, dude, I wish we were as competent as people say. I mean, if you were involved- Talk to Evan Hafer.
Same thing. I said to him, I went to his wedding, and I loved everybody there because they were all his closest friends. Evan was there and stuff, and that was the first time I met Evan.
Same thing. I said to him, I went to his wedding, and I loved everybody there because they were all his closest friends. Evan was there and stuff, and that was the first time I met Evan.
And I'm just talking to these tier one guys and they just seemed so intelligent and they were so, and they were, and John Dudley was there and a lot of like great guys, but I'm talking to some pretty cool people, right? Who, who, who have done a lot with their life and they were well-rounded and everything else.
And I'm just talking to these tier one guys and they just seemed so intelligent and they were so, and they were, and John Dudley was there and a lot of like great guys, but I'm talking to some pretty cool people, right? Who, who, who have done a lot with their life and they were well-rounded and everything else.
And I said, man, I just think it'd be so fun to be in that, in a tier one unit because they're just all so, they're so smart and they're just, they just have such a wide breadth of knowledge. And he goes, God, you're so fucking wrong. Yeah.
And I said, man, I just think it'd be so fun to be in that, in a tier one unit because they're just all so, they're so smart and they're just, they just have such a wide breadth of knowledge. And he goes, God, you're so fucking wrong. Yeah.
You better dot your I's, cross your T's.
You better dot your I's, cross your T's.
That dude is so fucking smart. He's another guy who's very smart.
That dude is so fucking smart. He's another guy who's very smart.
He's also a CL Team 6 guy, so he's got some physicality.
He's also a CL Team 6 guy, so he's got some physicality.
Leah is built like a true athlete.
Leah is built like a true athlete.
You cannot be light in the ass.
You cannot be light in the ass.
My only regret is not going down that rabbit hole.
My only regret is not going down that rabbit hole.
Yeah. You don't train much anymore, right?
Yeah. You don't train much anymore, right?
Oh, dude, there's no financial stress at all. It's great. You know what? If I hustle until I'm 80, I'll be fine. Anyway. Oof. It's going to be really awkward when I call you at 75. I just need help this month. But anyway, so I fucking – I look at her and I go – she's like a girl from Jersey, like Irish-Italian chick, no nonsense. Been working since she was 16.
Oh, dude, there's no financial stress at all. It's great. You know what? If I hustle until I'm 80, I'll be fine. Anyway. Oof. It's going to be really awkward when I call you at 75. I just need help this month. But anyway, so I fucking – I look at her and I go – she's like a girl from Jersey, like Irish-Italian chick, no nonsense. Been working since she was 16.
That happened to me the other day. I trained at this in Nono's MMA, who I love it, down in Hermosa. and I love doing it, but I, of course, I'm rolling with a 26-year-old, and I'm like, let's go, and of course, I'm 57, and I see his ankle. Don't give me your ankle, bro. I'm an ankle guy. I pick his ankle, drive him to the ground, fucking poke that ankle.
That happened to me the other day. I trained at this in Nono's MMA, who I love it, down in Hermosa. and I love doing it, but I, of course, I'm rolling with a 26-year-old, and I'm like, let's go, and of course, I'm 57, and I see his ankle. Don't give me your ankle, bro. I'm an ankle guy. I pick his ankle, drive him to the ground, fucking poke that ankle.
Had trouble looking left for 11 days. All right? Fucking worth it.
Had trouble looking left for 11 days. All right? Fucking worth it.
I don't get hurt when I'm rolling with somebody who's really good.
I don't get hurt when I'm rolling with somebody who's really good.
I like to talk shit to guys who are way better.
I like to talk shit to guys who are way better.
Well, part of that also, I think that one of the, people don't talk about this. I think the Dagestanis, the Russians, like Marab.
Well, part of that also, I think that one of the, people don't talk about this. I think the Dagestanis, the Russians, like Marab.
Dude, I thought I was straight this whole time. God damn, son.
Dude, I thought I was straight this whole time. God damn, son.
I mean, that's a strong man is what I meant.
I mean, that's a strong man is what I meant.
I think his coach is a gold medalist Olympic wrestler. Here's the thing about those guys. I think one of their advantages that nobody talks about is that when you get a guy like Khabib, you get these Dagestanis, you get these Russians, these Armenians and stuff. They've been training probably since they were six. And so what happens is your tendons and everything gets really, really strong.
I think his coach is a gold medalist Olympic wrestler. Here's the thing about those guys. I think one of their advantages that nobody talks about is that when you get a guy like Khabib, you get these Dagestanis, you get these Russians, these Armenians and stuff. They've been training probably since they were six. And so what happens is your tendons and everything gets really, really strong.
And also, if you ever watch like Alexander Carell and the way they would warm up. Those guys, like Corellon could do a backflip, go splits and all that. Those guys, the way they warm up was, it was scientific.
And also, if you ever watch like Alexander Carell and the way they would warm up. Those guys, like Corellon could do a backflip, go splits and all that. Those guys, the way they warm up was, it was scientific.
And so, because they knew that the micro damage that happens, and so they would strengthen all the connective tissue first. And I think a lot of times, like guys like Marab, guys like Umar, Since they've been training so long, their bodies are different. They feel different. They are different. They're more rugged. So they don't get injured. They don't deal with injuries.
And so, because they knew that the micro damage that happens, and so they would strengthen all the connective tissue first. And I think a lot of times, like guys like Marab, guys like Umar, Since they've been training so long, their bodies are different. They feel different. They are different. They're more rugged. So they don't get injured. They don't deal with injuries.
One of the biggest things that is hard for a lot of guys.
One of the biggest things that is hard for a lot of guys.
They might get injured. I think they get injured less. They probably do. Or they train differently.
They might get injured. I think they get injured less. They probably do. Or they train differently.
developed to strike yeah but you also have to be like if you look at the the boxers like if you look floyd mayweather his father and his uncle said to him like they knew they were like boxing is just about as much about not getting hit like you can be great and everything else if if your emphasis isn't on every time you throw you got to be in a position where you're not going to get hit every time you step custom auto was that way too every time you you throw you step and
developed to strike yeah but you also have to be like if you look at the the boxers like if you look floyd mayweather his father and his uncle said to him like they knew they were like boxing is just about as much about not getting hit like you can be great and everything else if if your emphasis isn't on every time you throw you got to be in a position where you're not going to get hit every time you step custom auto was that way too every time you you throw you step and
And a huge part of that is it was all a foot game. And all of that is if you haven't been trained properly, as you're learning how to box, you're going to take a lot of damage. And you're fucked. You're fucked after a while. And if you look at those really good coaches, those old guys, Eddie Futch, who taught, who would teach the jab, your hand was here.
And a huge part of that is it was all a foot game. And all of that is if you haven't been trained properly, as you're learning how to box, you're going to take a lot of damage. And you're fucked. You're fucked after a while. And if you look at those really good coaches, those old guys, Eddie Futch, who taught, who would teach the jab, your hand was here.
Because instead of here, you were taking shots, you would be here. So if you watch him fight with Ken Norton when he fought Ali – He said, when you fight Ali, Ali's here when he jabs. He's doing this. I want your hand here. So you can see Norton catching Ali's jab and then, boom, answering back and catching Ali in the face.
Because instead of here, you were taking shots, you would be here. So if you watch him fight with Ken Norton when he fought Ali – He said, when you fight Ali, Ali's here when he jabs. He's doing this. I want your hand here. So you can see Norton catching Ali's jab and then, boom, answering back and catching Ali in the face.
Those little details make literally all the difference in whether you box five more years or if you're done five years earlier.
Those little details make literally all the difference in whether you box five more years or if you're done five years earlier.
So I'm with John Leguizamo. We were doing that movie Ride Along. And John goes, hey, stick around. We'll have some dinner with a friend of mine that's coming by. I didn't know who it was. Arnold shows up with his assistant. It's kind of cool. And I'm a fan.
So I'm with John Leguizamo. We were doing that movie Ride Along. And John goes, hey, stick around. We'll have some dinner with a friend of mine that's coming by. I didn't know who it was. Arnold shows up with his assistant. It's kind of cool. And I'm a fan.
He wasn't Jermaine. I mean, what's his name? Trevante Davis or anything.
He wasn't Jermaine. I mean, what's his name? Trevante Davis or anything.
Those Dagestanis are made of different fucking... He's Chechnyan.
Those Dagestanis are made of different fucking... He's Chechnyan.
When you have your hands up with him, he'll still concuss you. Yeah. He hits that hard. Just basic two, like ones and twos, maybe a hook once in a while.
When you have your hands up with him, he'll still concuss you. Yeah. He hits that hard. Just basic two, like ones and twos, maybe a hook once in a while.
So we're sitting there and I just read a book on California politics by Michael Lewis called Boomerang about sort of like how a lot of the towns like Stockton went broke because of the pension plans and all that shit. Blah, blah, blah.
So we're sitting there and I just read a book on California politics by Michael Lewis called Boomerang about sort of like how a lot of the towns like Stockton went broke because of the pension plans and all that shit. Blah, blah, blah.
He'll break your arms down.
He'll break your arms down.
They're going to fight again?
They're going to fight again?
I think the best fighter, I think you can make an argument for certainly top three fighters of all time.
I think the best fighter, I think you can make an argument for certainly top three fighters of all time.
It is that too, dude. It is that too. It's that too.
It is that too, dude. It is that too. It's that too.
I think he's incredible.
I think he's incredible.
I mean, I've watched every one of his fights. That dude is on such a different level.
I mean, I've watched every one of his fights. That dude is on such a different level.
He's fighting giants. He's fighting giants. When you're fighting a guy who's 60 pounds heavier with 10-ounce, 12-ounce gloves, it makes such a world of difference.
He's fighting giants. He's fighting giants. When you're fighting a guy who's 60 pounds heavier with 10-ounce, 12-ounce gloves, it makes such a world of difference.
But please understand, Usyk fought at, I think, 75 when he started out. He's not a big, frank guy.
But please understand, Usyk fought at, I think, 75 when he started out. He's not a big, frank guy.
Let's go, Andy. Let's go. I like it. We've got to get you an accountant, though. Don't spend too much of your money on that.
Let's go, Andy. Let's go. I like it. We've got to get you an accountant, though. Don't spend too much of your money on that.
I think there's also you've got to take the responsibility on of being a champion. It's hard to hold that. It's one thing. It's like starting a business. You can get people to know about your business. Running a business is very different.
I think there's also you've got to take the responsibility on of being a champion. It's hard to hold that. It's one thing. It's like starting a business. You can get people to know about your business. Running a business is very different.
That's why Jon Jones, to me, is just incredible.
That's why Jon Jones, to me, is just incredible.
The Cubans are amazing because they don't hit mitts. You'll have a guy, and they just move and move and move. And once in a while, the coach will lift a glove. About one shot. You know, move and move and move. It's all footwork.
The Cubans are amazing because they don't hit mitts. You'll have a guy, and they just move and move and move. And once in a while, the coach will lift a glove. About one shot. You know, move and move and move. It's all footwork.
What about cold plunges? That's controversial still, right?
What about cold plunges? That's controversial still, right?
Oh, because they drained it, right?
Oh, because they drained it, right?
What the fuck? Look how big it was. What in the world?
What the fuck? Look how big it was. What in the world?
So Dan Gable said he would do a sauna after working out because it raised his endurance.
So Dan Gable said he would do a sauna after working out because it raised his endurance.
I did that in fucking Sweden where I was with all these Vikings. It's fucking so funny.
I did that in fucking Sweden where I was with all these Vikings. It's fucking so funny.
Well, I guess we needed it to grow all the oranges, right?
Well, I guess we needed it to grow all the oranges, right?
There's a scene in a book called Blood Meridian where the guy chops a dude's head off with that fucking knife. Let me see that. Who gave me this?
There's a scene in a book called Blood Meridian where the guy chops a dude's head off with that fucking knife. Let me see that. Who gave me this?
I mean, that's a knife. I don't know what you'd do with this if you had to clear a brush.
I mean, that's a knife. I don't know what you'd do with this if you had to clear a brush.
What is this? It's a hacking knife. Who gave me that? It's when you're coming in and you want to just clear a house.
What is this? It's a hacking knife. Who gave me that? It's when you're coming in and you want to just clear a house.
What's the knife for? Just in case, bro.
What's the knife for? Just in case, bro.
Those axes look like they actually would work, too.
Those axes look like they actually would work, too.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous knife. That's an overkill. Do we know who gave it to me? If somebody wears that on their belt, I'm like, your dick is tiny. That's incredible.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous knife. That's an overkill. Do we know who gave it to me? If somebody wears that on their belt, I'm like, your dick is tiny. That's incredible.
Well, I want to see what happens because I think, first of all, rents are going to go through the roof. This is going to be crazy. Where's everybody going to live? It's a major housing shortage. This is a major problem.
Well, I want to see what happens because I think, first of all, rents are going to go through the roof. This is going to be crazy. Where's everybody going to live? It's a major housing shortage. This is a major problem.
I'll tell you what's going to happen, I think. I think people that own houses that are not in fire zones, even if they're small, are going to sell their houses for millions of dollars. Because you've got those very wealthy people going, I need a place, name a price. And your house might be worth $2 million, you're going to sell it for $4 million.
I'll tell you what's going to happen, I think. I think people that own houses that are not in fire zones, even if they're small, are going to sell their houses for millions of dollars. Because you've got those very wealthy people going, I need a place, name a price. And your house might be worth $2 million, you're going to sell it for $4 million.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
It's going to be completely fucked. And remember, Los Angeles has been the worst at building affordable housing or just housing in general. All the permitting you got to go through, all the red tape, they can't do it. There's so many issues. There's so many issues, but especially housing, especially. We have, what is it? I think the Poverty rate in Los Angeles is like second to none.
It's going to be completely fucked. And remember, Los Angeles has been the worst at building affordable housing or just housing in general. All the permitting you got to go through, all the red tape, they can't do it. There's so many issues. There's so many issues, but especially housing, especially. We have, what is it? I think the Poverty rate in Los Angeles is like second to none.
The schools are terrible. The homeless situation is, I think, the second. But hey, it's sunny.
The schools are terrible. The homeless situation is, I think, the second. But hey, it's sunny.
There's a lot of TikTok stars, and that's good for our culture. That's good for our culture.
There's a lot of TikTok stars, and that's good for our culture. That's good for our culture.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I appreciate it.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I appreciate it.
Well, I said to you when you signed that deal, I go, I say this to people about you. You've not changed even a little bit. Well, if anything, you've calmed down. You have peace of mind. But you've not changed as like in terms of like, you know, you become a very powerful, influential person. But I've never I haven't seen you change. I haven't seen you like it hasn't gone to your head. I said, why?
Well, I said to you when you signed that deal, I go, I say this to people about you. You've not changed even a little bit. Well, if anything, you've calmed down. You have peace of mind. But you've not changed as like in terms of like, you know, you become a very powerful, influential person. But I've never I haven't seen you change. I haven't seen you like it hasn't gone to your head. I said, why?
And you go, I think it's because I do something really difficult every day. And it just reminds me of what a bitch I am.
And you go, I think it's because I do something really difficult every day. And it just reminds me of what a bitch I am.
Oh, look at that. God bless him. God bless him. Dude, that's when you're really trying.
Oh, look at that. God bless him. God bless him. Dude, that's when you're really trying.
Yeah, it's so bad for you. Comments. It's so bad for you. I've never read one, especially good ones. I don't want to hear it because it's going to have power over me. I don't want to hear the good ones either.
Yeah, it's so bad for you. Comments. It's so bad for you. I've never read one, especially good ones. I don't want to hear it because it's going to have power over me. I don't want to hear the good ones either.
You know that kid Matan? Matan? He's that kid, this Israeli kid who's like 17 years old and a complete troll. I did his podcast. It was so fun. But he's just like, those kids at that age, they are about just, there's no reverence to anything. No. They want to tear it all down.
You know that kid Matan? Matan? He's that kid, this Israeli kid who's like 17 years old and a complete troll. I did his podcast. It was so fun. But he's just like, those kids at that age, they are about just, there's no reverence to anything. No. They want to tear it all down.
With his COVID mask on. That's just a last stand, bro. That's a last stand.
With his COVID mask on. That's just a last stand, bro. That's a last stand.
I don't know if the blame lays in the fire department, by the way, here. I think, you watch, I'm going to make a prediction. I bet it's just already happening. I promise you that the progressive government in Los Angeles and in Sacramento is going to blame not infrastructure, not government incompetence, not mismanagement, but climate change.
I don't know if the blame lays in the fire department, by the way, here. I think, you watch, I'm going to make a prediction. I bet it's just already happening. I promise you that the progressive government in Los Angeles and in Sacramento is going to blame not infrastructure, not government incompetence, not mismanagement, but climate change.
So her sexual proclivity is really what makes it.
So her sexual proclivity is really what makes it.
It's just ideas. Identity politics.
It's just ideas. Identity politics.
It's placing a group above an individual, right? So treat that person like an individual. I don't give a shit that she's into women. I don't care at all.
It's placing a group above an individual, right? So treat that person like an individual. I don't give a shit that she's into women. I don't care at all.
If she's competent, I'll fucking vote for her all day. I don't know if she is. I don't know enough about her record.
If she's competent, I'll fucking vote for her all day. I don't know if she is. I don't know enough about her record.
Well, that video I showed you of my friend's house that just disappeared. And then you remember I sent you that video of him driving down the PCH. Those guys are coming to my house because where I'm at is the only place that's where the air is breathable and all that. Well, we have a barrier between the 405 and also the airport. So it's really we're pretty safe.
Well, that video I showed you of my friend's house that just disappeared. And then you remember I sent you that video of him driving down the PCH. Those guys are coming to my house because where I'm at is the only place that's where the air is breathable and all that. Well, we have a barrier between the 405 and also the airport. So it's really we're pretty safe.
Until what happened? It got too expensive to do business. It got too expensive to shoot in L.A.
Until what happened? It got too expensive to do business. It got too expensive to shoot in L.A.
Taxes and everything else. It got too expensive. It is too expensive to open restaurants or anything else in L.A. So you've got this great sandwich chain I'm obsessed with called Snarf's, right? I just like their... I think they have one in Austin.
Taxes and everything else. It got too expensive. It is too expensive to open restaurants or anything else in L.A. So you've got this great sandwich chain I'm obsessed with called Snarf's, right? I just like their... I think they have one in Austin.
Yeah, I brought them here. Yeah. I love their sandwiches, dude. And... You know, that company is so good that I literally was... I want to get involved in the franchise business because I think they're crushing. And they will not open in Los Angeles. It's too expensive. There are too many... A friend of mine who you and I both know has businesses in Texas and businesses in Los Angeles.
Yeah, I brought them here. Yeah. I love their sandwiches, dude. And... You know, that company is so good that I literally was... I want to get involved in the franchise business because I think they're crushing. And they will not open in Los Angeles. It's too expensive. There are too many... A friend of mine who you and I both know has businesses in Texas and businesses in Los Angeles.
And a lot of them, okay? I'll tell you who it is later. Ooh, I love a suspense. So in his California businesses... He's been sued over 1,000 times. I think it's 1,002 times. 1,002 times in the 18 years he's been in business. In Texas, he's been sued once. Once. And in that case, they were right to sue them because they did something wrong.
And a lot of them, okay? I'll tell you who it is later. Ooh, I love a suspense. So in his California businesses... He's been sued over 1,000 times. I think it's 1,002 times. 1,002 times in the 18 years he's been in business. In Texas, he's been sued once. Once. And in that case, they were right to sue them because they did something wrong.
And it's pretty interesting because there's literally a difference in culture. There's a difference in the notion of I'm responsible for my actions. Somebody else is responsible for the state I'm in. And that is a mind virus that has taken over Los Angeles, taken over California, in my opinion. A lot of this is just mindset.
And it's pretty interesting because there's literally a difference in culture. There's a difference in the notion of I'm responsible for my actions. Somebody else is responsible for the state I'm in. And that is a mind virus that has taken over Los Angeles, taken over California, in my opinion. A lot of this is just mindset.
And I think it's very ironic, with all due respect, because I have a lot of friends who lost houses in the Palisades area and everything else. But... And I... If you had walked through the Palisades, you would have seen a lot—most of them voted for Karen Bass. I'm not saying Karen Bass deserves all this blame, but I'm saying there was a lot of Kamala stuff there, very little Trump stuff.
And I think it's very ironic, with all due respect, because I have a lot of friends who lost houses in the Palisades area and everything else. But... And I... If you had walked through the Palisades, you would have seen a lot—most of them voted for Karen Bass. I'm not saying Karen Bass deserves all this blame, but I'm saying there was a lot of Kamala stuff there, very little Trump stuff.
And it's ironic to me because I do think, to an extent, without having done enough research—but I've done some— that you have to lay at least some of the blame for this total inability to respond to government mismanagement.
And it's ironic to me because I do think, to an extent, without having done enough research—but I've done some— that you have to lay at least some of the blame for this total inability to respond to government mismanagement.
And the fact that this government, this progressive government in California, in Sacramento, in Los Angeles, put things like climate change and social justice ahead of fucking basic infrastructure. Basic infrastructure. You knew that they were predicting and they knew how dry this season was. Fucking eight months without rain. Okay, guys?
And the fact that this government, this progressive government in California, in Sacramento, in Los Angeles, put things like climate change and social justice ahead of fucking basic infrastructure. Basic infrastructure. You knew that they were predicting and they knew how dry this season was. Fucking eight months without rain. Okay, guys?
So we need to figure out there is a way to solve every problem. Do you need an army of firefighters? They cut 17%. I know.
So we need to figure out there is a way to solve every problem. Do you need an army of firefighters? They cut 17%. I know.
$17.6 million from the fire budget in Los Angeles.
$17.6 million from the fire budget in Los Angeles.
Well, to your point, this was a perfect storm to an extent, and there's a limit to what any fire department can do. There's a limit, right? We live in Los Angeles. Fires are a reality. Earthquakes are a reality. Mudslides are a reality. We know this. California is a tough place to live. It's great, but there are a lot of liabilities.
Well, to your point, this was a perfect storm to an extent, and there's a limit to what any fire department can do. There's a limit, right? We live in Los Angeles. Fires are a reality. Earthquakes are a reality. Mudslides are a reality. We know this. California is a tough place to live. It's great, but there are a lot of liabilities.
I just think if you know that that's the case, something went wrong. And our infrastructure, the fact that our fire hydrants and it happened in Colorado three years ago. But the fact that the fire hydrants lost pressure, you can predict these things.
I just think if you know that that's the case, something went wrong. And our infrastructure, the fact that our fire hydrants and it happened in Colorado three years ago. But the fact that the fire hydrants lost pressure, you can predict these things.
I love the Delta smelt.
I love the Delta smelt.
The homeless thing, too. You talk to progressives about the homeless thing. You know what they'll say? It's a housing shortage. No, it's not. It's a drug and mental health problem. Housing, housing, housing. Sorry.
The homeless thing, too. You talk to progressives about the homeless thing. You know what they'll say? It's a housing shortage. No, it's not. It's a drug and mental health problem. Housing, housing, housing. Sorry.
And so there's a vested interest in keeping homeless a problem.
And so there's a vested interest in keeping homeless a problem.
I know a guy who was a tier one guy who was dealing with real demons and he did one session of Ibogaine and it changed everything.
I know a guy who was a tier one guy who was dealing with real demons and he did one session of Ibogaine and it changed everything.
And that's surprising that Rick Perry, who's a Texas conservative.
And that's surprising that Rick Perry, who's a Texas conservative.
Repairs the neural pathways or something like that?
Repairs the neural pathways or something like that?
Well, they did a really interesting study on, or there was a guy, a journalist, I can't remember who it was talking about. They drew this comparison when the 60s music movement happened with Hendrix and all those guys. When they were taking psychedelics, incredible things were going on musically. Oh, yeah. Once they turned to cocaine and heroin, the music fucking died. Hairbands.
Well, they did a really interesting study on, or there was a guy, a journalist, I can't remember who it was talking about. They drew this comparison when the 60s music movement happened with Hendrix and all those guys. When they were taking psychedelics, incredible things were going on musically. Oh, yeah. Once they turned to cocaine and heroin, the music fucking died. Hairbands.
Whiplash, fucking engine closing.
Whiplash, fucking engine closing.
Is that a catalytic converter or a carburetor?
Is that a catalytic converter or a carburetor?
It gets like a... Fuck a gallon.
It gets like a... Fuck a gallon.
That's sacrilege, I guess.
That's sacrilege, I guess.
I like the old Aston Martins.
I like the old Aston Martins.
I drove a 1985 Porsche Targa. Dude, it's a stick shift. Oh, yeah. What a beautiful car. You feel everything, but God damn, it's beautiful. I mean, you're just zipping it.
I drove a 1985 Porsche Targa. Dude, it's a stick shift. Oh, yeah. What a beautiful car. You feel everything, but God damn, it's beautiful. I mean, you're just zipping it.
That's the only time I've driven a car and I went, I get it. I've never been into cars.
That's the only time I've driven a car and I went, I get it. I've never been into cars.
I drive a Tesla 3 with white interior, white exterior. I wanted to be as gay as I could.
I drive a Tesla 3 with white interior, white exterior. I wanted to be as gay as I could.
I drove the new electric Porsche.
I drove the new electric Porsche.
Yeah, that's 100 miles.
Yeah, that's 100 miles.
What can I pick one of those up for like a regular car? A regular one?
What can I pick one of those up for like a regular car? A regular one?
There's a company called- Not electric.
There's a company called- Not electric.
And I go – we had an evacuation order that they sent out by accident to people even down where I'm at. Yeah, what was that? It was some guy who –
And I go – we had an evacuation order that they sent out by accident to people even down where I'm at. Yeah, what was that? It was some guy who –
So you're not picking that thing up from this thing?
So you're not picking that thing up from this thing?
Because there's just very few of them.
Because there's just very few of them.
That's why I like my car so much. I like the Tesla. It's... I love it.
That's why I like my car so much. I like the Tesla. It's... I love it.
That thing is a- That's like grinding your own coffee. It's something about it.
That thing is a- That's like grinding your own coffee. It's something about it.
The sensations. There's a tactile sensation.
The sensations. There's a tactile sensation.
I think there's a huge value to that, like cooking. Oh, yeah. The fact that it takes- You take time to get good at something like cooking the perfect beef stew or whatever the fuck it is.
I think there's a huge value to that, like cooking. Oh, yeah. The fact that it takes- You take time to get good at something like cooking the perfect beef stew or whatever the fuck it is.
The smell of wood. Oh, yeah.
The smell of wood. Oh, yeah.
Convenience and abundance comes with a price like everything else. Sometimes that's a lack of connection. Sometimes just the actual process of doing shit, like the actual process of preparation and all that is a form of flow.
Convenience and abundance comes with a price like everything else. Sometimes that's a lack of connection. Sometimes just the actual process of doing shit, like the actual process of preparation and all that is a form of flow.
that you get into there's a great book called Beyond Boredom and Anxiety by Csikszentmihalyi I don't know what the fuck his name is he's like this Hungarian scientist he compares the flow state that rock climbers surgeons painters and conductors get into and it's all very similar because it takes incredible concentration when you're rock climbing and you don't want to fall I bet the rock climbers look at the painters like bitch you are not in the same flow state as me motherfucker no they're not because it's life and death right
that you get into there's a great book called Beyond Boredom and Anxiety by Csikszentmihalyi I don't know what the fuck his name is he's like this Hungarian scientist he compares the flow state that rock climbers surgeons painters and conductors get into and it's all very similar because it takes incredible concentration when you're rock climbing and you don't want to fall I bet the rock climbers look at the painters like bitch you are not in the same flow state as me motherfucker no they're not because it's life and death right
And it had no top. Dude, I thought I was going to pass out. I was like, I went to the mechanic. I think I'm going to pass out. I was all panicked. You know, he goes, it's just the way it is. I go, what do you mean it's the way it is?
And it had no top. Dude, I thought I was going to pass out. I was like, I went to the mechanic. I think I'm going to pass out. I was all panicked. You know, he goes, it's just the way it is. I go, what do you mean it's the way it is?
Fucking sold that thing for 500 bucks or something. I don't know.
Fucking sold that thing for 500 bucks or something. I don't know.
Well, you know what it is? They have a personality. There's something about getting into... I had a girlfriend who had a vintage Mercedes, and I swear to God, I got attached to that car. It felt like an experience. I would get in there, and it had a personality almost. It was like... 100%.
Well, you know what it is? They have a personality. There's something about getting into... I had a girlfriend who had a vintage Mercedes, and I swear to God, I got attached to that car. It felt like an experience. I would get in there, and it had a personality almost. It was like... 100%.
Because somebody had made that. Somebody had taken the time. A lot of that shit's made by hand, I think. Right.
Because somebody had made that. Somebody had taken the time. A lot of that shit's made by hand, I think. Right.
Like when something's really considered by craftsmen and you can't, you cannot replace the feel of like something that's been crafted out of leather.
Like when something's really considered by craftsmen and you can't, you cannot replace the feel of like something that's been crafted out of leather.
It's an artistic, it's an expression of artistry, man.
It's an artistic, it's an expression of artistry, man.
That's European, brother.
That's European, brother.
You know how much my three weighs? Almost 6,000 pounds.
You know how much my three weighs? Almost 6,000 pounds.
You used to like big trucks, too, though. You like the Denali's and stuff.
You used to like big trucks, too, though. You like the Denali's and stuff.
There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do.
That's the kind of car you take out on a countryside. Oh, yeah, man. And you wear a scarf.
That's the kind of car you take out on a countryside. Oh, yeah, man. And you wear a scarf.
Gloves, scarf, and you wear the glasses. I want to be European so badly sometimes. And your lady's doing this. You're going too fast. Yeah.
Gloves, scarf, and you wear the glasses. I want to be European so badly sometimes. And your lady's doing this. You're going too fast. Yeah.
It looks like an Arachnid.
It looks like an Arachnid.
Yeah, but it's also ridiculous. I mean, does it come with a Batman suit?
Yeah, but it's also ridiculous. I mean, does it come with a Batman suit?
Because it's just reliability, everything, or what?
Because it's just reliability, everything, or what?
Is that fin that was on there necessary?
Is that fin that was on there necessary?
Because you want to look like an asshole.
Because you want to look like an asshole.
I like that. That's a good look right there.
I like that. That's a good look right there.
Does the fin come up or something?
Does the fin come up or something?
That's a good-looking car.
That's a good-looking car.
Or are they very expensive?
Or are they very expensive?
When you run away from looters. Once I start selling theater tickets.
When you run away from looters. Once I start selling theater tickets.
I know. I got to do that. You've been telling me that a long time.
I know. I got to do that. You've been telling me that a long time.
I hope it is. But I have my other kids, so I have two families.
I hope it is. But I have my other kids, so I have two families.
Plus, when you're on the road like me, traveling from Texas is way easier than traveling from fucking Los Angeles.
Plus, when you're on the road like me, traveling from Texas is way easier than traveling from fucking Los Angeles.
You know, I got to tell you, the crazy thing about the Pacific Palisades was that eight years ago, probably eight, maybe almost nine years ago, I looked at houses there with my ex-wife. And we came so close to buying a house because it's such a beautiful place. We didn't buy it because it was a little too expensive, to be honest with you. It was just a little out of our price point.
You know, I got to tell you, the crazy thing about the Pacific Palisades was that eight years ago, probably eight, maybe almost nine years ago, I looked at houses there with my ex-wife. And we came so close to buying a house because it's such a beautiful place. We didn't buy it because it was a little too expensive, to be honest with you. It was just a little out of our price point.
You want to talk about one of the greatest comics, period? I watched that motherfucker and I'm like, and he's still doing it at his age.
You want to talk about one of the greatest comics, period? I watched that motherfucker and I'm like, and he's still doing it at his age.
Yeah. Well, these fires, I feel like these fires are kind of almost like my wake-up call.
Yeah. Well, these fires, I feel like these fires are kind of almost like my wake-up call.
You're going to have one too, huh?
You're going to have one too, huh?
We're smoking cigars like men. I like this new thing.
We're smoking cigars like men. I like this new thing.
I'm an idiot. I'm like... I can't figure shit out. How come you can't figure things out? Because I'm bad with that stuff, okay? That's why my wife was like, get out of here. You can't do it. I'll take care of it. I'm like, raise my kids. Save them. Tell my story. I'll be in Austin. Sorry about the fires. Tell them to watch your special. Tell all the kids at school to watch Daddy Special.
I'm an idiot. I'm like... I can't figure shit out. How come you can't figure things out? Because I'm bad with that stuff, okay? That's why my wife was like, get out of here. You can't do it. I'll take care of it. I'm like, raise my kids. Save them. Tell my story. I'll be in Austin. Sorry about the fires. Tell them to watch your special. Tell all the kids at school to watch Daddy Special.
Watch Daddy Special. It's going to be good. False gods. I'm excited, man.
Watch Daddy Special. It's going to be good. False gods. I'm excited, man.
Yeah, I think so, right?
Yeah, I think so, right?
I was like, I would rather, like, shoot it here, you know? Mm-hmm. Because you did that club right, man. You did that club right. It makes such a difference. Yeah. Well.
I was like, I would rather, like, shoot it here, you know? Mm-hmm. Because you did that club right, man. You did that club right. It makes such a difference. Yeah. Well.
That's it. I get a kick out of you because I don't know. You still have, like, for this podcast, what, three people that work for you? I mean four, but, you know, more than that.
That's it. I get a kick out of you because I don't know. You still have, like, for this podcast, what, three people that work for you? I mean four, but, you know, more than that.
My buddies, they're going to start a podcast. Well, we've got to get a production team. We've got to get this and that. I'm like, hey, bro.
My buddies, they're going to start a podcast. Well, we've got to get a production team. We've got to get this and that. I'm like, hey, bro.
You're fun to hang with. He's like a stoic.
You're fun to hang with. He's like a stoic.
But even for a smaller house, it was expensive, right? But it's beautiful.
But even for a smaller house, it was expensive, right? But it's beautiful.
fucked up because i don't know if you know this is gonna be this is gonna be shocking grab the table la's not run very well hold on i know hold on what the fuck you're saying because see here's the thing we have to worry about i know isn't the chief of fire department a lesbian now hold on let's not turn this into listen here's the bottom it's run amazing it's not about infrastructure infrastructure i won't sit here while you disparage the great people sir that are running los angeles sir infrastructure's got to take a backseat to climate change and social justice and homeless abatement which hasn't
fucked up because i don't know if you know this is gonna be this is gonna be shocking grab the table la's not run very well hold on i know hold on what the fuck you're saying because see here's the thing we have to worry about i know isn't the chief of fire department a lesbian now hold on let's not turn this into listen here's the bottom it's run amazing it's not about infrastructure infrastructure i won't sit here while you disparage the great people sir that are running los angeles sir infrastructure's got to take a backseat to climate change and social justice and homeless abatement which hasn't
And he's not trying to be – Anything he's not. So what happens in that position is that's kind of a big job. Right. And it'd be very easy to go, I'm part of this podcast. I'm a huge part of it. He doesn't get his ego.
And he's not trying to be – Anything he's not. So what happens in that position is that's kind of a big job. Right. And it'd be very easy to go, I'm part of this podcast. I'm a huge part of it. He doesn't get his ego.
The last thing you would ever think, the last thing is...
The last thing you would ever think, the last thing is...
We all have our role. We all do our thing.
We all have our role. We all do our thing.
Just give me a paid intern. It's fine.
Just give me a paid intern. It's fine.
I think what happens is it builds resentment if you're not- 100%. You got to be careful with all that.
I think what happens is it builds resentment if you're not- 100%. You got to be careful with all that.
that that house would burn down or there was a fire hazard especially down like where Gelson's was or the whole town that dude when I'm saying the town is gone you know the only structure that's standing is that guy Caruso that mayor the guy who ran for mayor narrowly lost to Karen Bass he built that mall out of fire retardant material and that's the only structures that pretty much downtown that are in the town of Pacific Palisades Frank Grillo our buddy his old house burned right to the ground just done
that that house would burn down or there was a fire hazard especially down like where Gelson's was or the whole town that dude when I'm saying the town is gone you know the only structure that's standing is that guy Caruso that mayor the guy who ran for mayor narrowly lost to Karen Bass he built that mall out of fire retardant material and that's the only structures that pretty much downtown that are in the town of Pacific Palisades Frank Grillo our buddy his old house burned right to the ground just done
Henry VIII said something like that. He said, every time I promote somebody, I create eight enemies and one ingrate. Something like that. I think that was the quote.
Henry VIII said something like that. He said, every time I promote somebody, I create eight enemies and one ingrate. Something like that. I think that was the quote.
He was terrible. Henry VIII was a fucking idiot. Maybe he's just a piece of shit. You know what he did, right? So the Catholic Church, he wanted a son, and his wife was barren, and he wanted an heir, and the Catholic Church would not... Codify his divorce. So he was like, okay, I'm gonna start the Anglican Church fuck off I'm gonna start my own church and it's gonna okay.
He was terrible. Henry VIII was a fucking idiot. Maybe he's just a piece of shit. You know what he did, right? So the Catholic Church, he wanted a son, and his wife was barren, and he wanted an heir, and the Catholic Church would not... Codify his divorce. So he was like, okay, I'm gonna start the Anglican Church fuck off I'm gonna start my own church and it's gonna okay.
It's gonna be okay with divorce So he created the Anglican Church and the great story of a man for all seasons Thomas Sir Thomas more was Thomas more would not join the Anglican Church and they killed him for it And he said I am more than my appetites.
It's gonna be okay with divorce So he created the Anglican Church and the great story of a man for all seasons Thomas Sir Thomas more was Thomas more would not join the Anglican Church and they killed him for it And he said I am more than my appetites.
I am more than you know, my body I am my principles and my principles are higher and I'm gonna stick to the Catholic Church kind of like, you know I wish I was
I am more than you know, my body I am my principles and my principles are higher and I'm gonna stick to the Catholic Church kind of like, you know I wish I was
Well, we all would, right?
Well, we all would, right?
All right? I was in acting class. As you remember that. And one of the... Kind of a famous actor. He did the scene. This is so great. He did the man for all seasons. And as he... So you do a scene. And a lot of working actors in the class. This is Los Angeles. And we all sit back. And now the great teacher will now break it apart. And he... The actor began to weep.
All right? I was in acting class. As you remember that. And one of the... Kind of a famous actor. He did the scene. This is so great. He did the man for all seasons. And as he... So you do a scene. And a lot of working actors in the class. This is Los Angeles. And we all sit back. And now the great teacher will now break it apart. And he... The actor began to weep.
And they said, why are you crying? And he says, because I'm not this man. I would have joined the Anglican church. And it bothers me that I'm not the kind of principled man that would stick to.
And they said, why are you crying? And he says, because I'm not this man. I would have joined the Anglican church. And it bothers me that I'm not the kind of principled man that would stick to.
He was one of my favorite actors, too. And I was like, there you go. At least you know your fucking limitations.
He was one of my favorite actors, too. And I was like, there you go. At least you know your fucking limitations.
Never say what you would do in an emergency because you don't know.
Never say what you would do in an emergency because you don't know.
Well, you better know you're vulnerable. Like, you walk around like a tough guy. Right. The real tough guys are the guys that have done a lot of shit or who've seen a lot of combat or at least been involved in, like, Evan Hafer, for example, has probably done a lot more than he... He never talks about any of it.
Well, you better know you're vulnerable. Like, you walk around like a tough guy. Right. The real tough guys are the guys that have done a lot of shit or who've seen a lot of combat or at least been involved in, like, Evan Hafer, for example, has probably done a lot more than he... He never talks about any of it.
You'll never hear him say anything, but... And for that matter, Andy Stump's the same way. They don't really tell you anything, but... They're very aware that, first of all, it's very easy to be killed. Very easy. I don't care how strong you are, what you bench. A tiny child can kill you with a gun. Right away. So you get a real sense.
You'll never hear him say anything, but... And for that matter, Andy Stump's the same way. They don't really tell you anything, but... They're very aware that, first of all, it's very easy to be killed. Very easy. I don't care how strong you are, what you bench. A tiny child can kill you with a gun. Right away. So you get a real sense.
Part of what's really good about just doing combat sports or doing any kind of, like, even a rough sport, contact sport, is that you come into contact with objective reality. It's very hard to start living this fake existence. And part of the problem, I think, with our society is a lot of people controlling the narrative.
Part of what's really good about just doing combat sports or doing any kind of, like, even a rough sport, contact sport, is that you come into contact with objective reality. It's very hard to start living this fake existence. And part of the problem, I think, with our society is a lot of people controlling the narrative.
don't really pay a price for being wrong because they live a life and they live a job where they're working, where they're working with their mouth. They're working with only their brain. And I think you get a lot from actually trying to grow your own food or doing whatever it is.
don't really pay a price for being wrong because they live a life and they live a job where they're working, where they're working with their mouth. They're working with only their brain. And I think you get a lot from actually trying to grow your own food or doing whatever it is.
You know, you've got to kind of come in, you own a farm and you realize that life eats life and things, everything of nature, mother nature is a motherfucker and wants to kill everything you try to grow. It gives you a very different perspective on reality and what the world is about.
You know, you've got to kind of come in, you own a farm and you realize that life eats life and things, everything of nature, mother nature is a motherfucker and wants to kill everything you try to grow. It gives you a very different perspective on reality and what the world is about.
Right. You ever see Steven Pinker's book, The Blank Slate? Those people have never been in contact with anybody white or Western, and the guys that get laid the most are the guys that kill the most people in combat and have their hair on their daggers. So they have their version of a fucking all-star quarterback, too, and he gets all the pussy. And they were like, what the fuck?
Right. You ever see Steven Pinker's book, The Blank Slate? Those people have never been in contact with anybody white or Western, and the guys that get laid the most are the guys that kill the most people in combat and have their hair on their daggers. So they have their version of a fucking all-star quarterback, too, and he gets all the pussy. And they were like, what the fuck?
And they literally attacked their reputations and everything. They drove them out of academia.
And they literally attacked their reputations and everything. They drove them out of academia.
And life takes a certain amount of aggression and competitive spirit or you're going to fucking get eaten.
And life takes a certain amount of aggression and competitive spirit or you're going to fucking get eaten.
Yeah, you're going to get fucked is really what happens. That's right. For sure. So don't – it's great. I love that we're all – it's all utopian until your kids don't have enough to eat. And then I'm going to kill – that's what happens. People are really kumbaya until your kids – have to struggle for resources, and then they become genocidal.
Yeah, you're going to get fucked is really what happens. That's right. For sure. So don't – it's great. I love that we're all – it's all utopian until your kids don't have enough to eat. And then I'm going to kill – that's what happens. People are really kumbaya until your kids – have to struggle for resources, and then they become genocidal.
Jared Diamond, who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel, did the study with the fucking people up in the Guinea highlands. The minute they started running out of resources, they would start coming up with stories about the other tribe over there that were basically, yeah, they eat their own kids. Yeah, they're fucking really evil.
Jared Diamond, who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel, did the study with the fucking people up in the Guinea highlands. The minute they started running out of resources, they would start coming up with stories about the other tribe over there that were basically, yeah, they eat their own kids. Yeah, they're fucking really evil.
Nobody in a million years. I'm telling you.
Nobody in a million years. I'm telling you.
Just to whip up, just to justify what they were about to do to that other tribe because they got their stuff.
Just to whip up, just to justify what they were about to do to that other tribe because they got their stuff.
I think what changed me a lot was when I was younger, I was accidentally around some pretty rough people, some criminals, people that were –
I think what changed me a lot was when I was younger, I was accidentally around some pretty rough people, some criminals, people that were –
bad violent or you know um and i think i remember going i remember it's very scary when you're around people that are you know like that and i never forgot it because i was pretty naive as most of us are coming up because i'd been around a good family and stuff like that and i saw how ugly and dangerous Some men can be, especially when nobody's looking. And I never forgot the idea.
bad violent or you know um and i think i remember going i remember it's very scary when you're around people that are you know like that and i never forgot it because i was pretty naive as most of us are coming up because i'd been around a good family and stuff like that and i saw how ugly and dangerous Some men can be, especially when nobody's looking. And I never forgot the idea.
I mean, I lived in. Remember, also, I was in the war in Lebanon.
I mean, I lived in. Remember, also, I was in the war in Lebanon.
So I think you I was I left and I was I left Lebanon when I was. I was 11 years old.
So I think you I was I left and I was I left Lebanon when I was. I was 11 years old.
Yeah, and then I went back. I went back when I was, I think, 15, 16, and I didn't recognize anything from my childhood. So I was in Lebanon for five years. And so I had wonderful memories. And then the war broke out and we were stuck. My father couldn't get back in because he was... And then we got evacuated. But I was living in the Holiday Inn for six months. And we had to sleep on the floor.
Yeah, and then I went back. I went back when I was, I think, 15, 16, and I didn't recognize anything from my childhood. So I was in Lebanon for five years. And so I had wonderful memories. And then the war broke out and we were stuck. My father couldn't get back in because he was... And then we got evacuated. But I was living in the Holiday Inn for six months. And we had to sleep on the floor.
And then finally we had to go down into the fucking underground parking lot because they were bombing. And you would wake up and you would hear machine guns and stuff. So you felt very out of sorts and very, very... It was very scary. You're a kid. And I remember seeing – on a balcony, I remember seeing planes bomb a gas station. I never forgot it.
And then finally we had to go down into the fucking underground parking lot because they were bombing. And you would wake up and you would hear machine guns and stuff. So you felt very out of sorts and very, very... It was very scary. You're a kid. And I remember seeing – on a balcony, I remember seeing planes bomb a gas station. I never forgot it.
I don't know. The wind blew a different direction or something.
I don't know. The wind blew a different direction or something.
I never forgot seeing the planes come in and the missiles dropped and just – the sound, dude, the sound. And I don't know if anybody who's been in war knows this, but I was on the beach. I was on Coral Beach. and it probably was in the 80s. I was 14, 15, 16, whatever I was. They shot a rocket over our head, okay? And I think it was a test fire.
I never forgot seeing the planes come in and the missiles dropped and just – the sound, dude, the sound. And I don't know if anybody who's been in war knows this, but I was on the beach. I was on Coral Beach. and it probably was in the 80s. I was 14, 15, 16, whatever I was. They shot a rocket over our head, okay? And I think it was a test fire.
Dude, when I tell you that the sound was so loud that we all fell on the ground. I fell down on the sand. The sound was so disoriented that everybody went down on their hands and knees. That's how loud it was over your head. And I think that when you are in that kind of proximity to...
Dude, when I tell you that the sound was so loud that we all fell on the ground. I fell down on the sand. The sound was so disoriented that everybody went down on their hands and knees. That's how loud it was over your head. And I think that when you are in that kind of proximity to...
violence like that and then later on when I was older I was around some people who were pretty rough you know and for me I always I knew that if the grid broke down that those people were going to take over and there was going to be no fucking mercy and I've never forgot that and so you could see with COVID the minute That law enforcement had to restrict their resources. You saw what happened.
violence like that and then later on when I was older I was around some people who were pretty rough you know and for me I always I knew that if the grid broke down that those people were going to take over and there was going to be no fucking mercy and I've never forgot that and so you could see with COVID the minute That law enforcement had to restrict their resources. You saw what happened.
No, I don't think any house withstands that kind of fire.
No, I don't think any house withstands that kind of fire.
Looting. You saw crime. You saw homelessness. And the fabric of a society can break down so fucking quickly. People don't realize it. Until you've been in countries where it's happened. And until you've been around... Men who negotiate the world in a violent way and maybe in ways that are a little bit outside the law. You don't know what you're doing, man. You've got no idea. So all those people.
Looting. You saw crime. You saw homelessness. And the fabric of a society can break down so fucking quickly. People don't realize it. Until you've been in countries where it's happened. And until you've been around... Men who negotiate the world in a violent way and maybe in ways that are a little bit outside the law. You don't know what you're doing, man. You've got no idea. So all those people.
And I love when the left starts talking about. you know, violent revolution and you're in college kid, you have no fucking idea. You don't, first of all, don't wake up that and don't wake up the conservative. Don't do that.
And I love when the left starts talking about. you know, violent revolution and you're in college kid, you have no fucking idea. You don't, first of all, don't wake up that and don't wake up the conservative. Don't do that.
Let's not even talk about it because I know a lot of guys that shoot real straight, you know, and often and yeah, and often and they're very comfortable and they're comfortable in those violent spaces.
Let's not even talk about it because I know a lot of guys that shoot real straight, you know, and often and yeah, and often and they're very comfortable and they're comfortable in those violent spaces.
Yeah. Let's not, let's not, let's not let those dogs slip.
Yeah. Let's not, let's not, let's not let those dogs slip.
His body just comes from enforcement. His traps, he just looks like a giant block. He's a born enforcer. He's not going to win a Nobel Prize for peace.
His body just comes from enforcement. His traps, he just looks like a giant block. He's a born enforcer. He's not going to win a Nobel Prize for peace.
You ever hear how Tim Kennedy talked about him?
You ever hear how Tim Kennedy talked about him?
You put him in a glass case and break in case of war?
You put him in a glass case and break in case of war?
Let's keep those guys on a – let's keep them over here on a leash.
Let's keep those guys on a – let's keep them over here on a leash.
Yes. And please understand the base of our republic also is that we have civilian control of a military. And that was a huge – in the election between I think Madison and Jefferson, the idea was – was it Madison or was it – Adams, I can't remember. But in the election was, should we have a standing army?
Yes. And please understand the base of our republic also is that we have civilian control of a military. And that was a huge – in the election between I think Madison and Jefferson, the idea was – was it Madison or was it – Adams, I can't remember. But in the election was, should we have a standing army?
Because traditionally in a republic, if you had a standing army, a very charismatic general like Napoleon would take over the army and take over the country. So that was a huge thing. James Madison was a genius at figuring out how to limit that. And he said, checks and balances, but you have to have civilian government in control of the military because military people arrive at military solutions.
Because traditionally in a republic, if you had a standing army, a very charismatic general like Napoleon would take over the army and take over the country. So that was a huge thing. James Madison was a genius at figuring out how to limit that. And he said, checks and balances, but you have to have civilian government in control of the military because military people arrive at military solutions.
It doesn't matter. How's that one house?
It doesn't matter. How's that one house?
Yeah. Fucking really important, man. Really important. Don't let guys like John McPhee, you need him in war, but God bless.
Yeah. Fucking really important, man. Really important. Don't let guys like John McPhee, you need him in war, but God bless.
Man, I really enjoyed having him on.
Man, I really enjoyed having him on.
He used the word viceroy, and he did it on purpose. It's like- But Eric comes from a position of how to solve problems. Yeah. When he was talking about Gaza, he said, we have the ability to frack. What that means is we can drill sideways. He said, you could have filled those tunnels with seawater instead of bombing the shit out of 70% of it and killing all those people.
He used the word viceroy, and he did it on purpose. It's like- But Eric comes from a position of how to solve problems. Yeah. When he was talking about Gaza, he said, we have the ability to frack. What that means is we can drill sideways. He said, you could have filled those tunnels with seawater instead of bombing the shit out of 70% of it and killing all those people.
You could have flooded those fuckers out. Because you drill... And I don't know if this is true. I don't know anything about fracking. But he does. And he said, you could have drilled fucking... this way, take the Mediterranean, fill all those tunnels with seawater, and they would have had to come up, and you would have been just fine, and just position people when they come out of the water.
You could have flooded those fuckers out. Because you drill... And I don't know if this is true. I don't know anything about fracking. But he does. And he said, you could have drilled fucking... this way, take the Mediterranean, fill all those tunnels with seawater, and they would have had to come up, and you would have been just fine, and just position people when they come out of the water.
Why didn't they choose that? A good question. The same reason that in Afghanistan, they had an oil reserve there in Afghanistan that was well-capped by the Soviets. Well-capped. We could have taken that cap off, and that oil, they had enough oil to not only fuel the entire country, but the whole war effort right there for about nine cents a gallon.
Why didn't they choose that? A good question. The same reason that in Afghanistan, they had an oil reserve there in Afghanistan that was well-capped by the Soviets. Well-capped. We could have taken that cap off, and that oil, they had enough oil to not only fuel the entire country, but the whole war effort right there for about nine cents a gallon.
No, that's wind. Look at that, though.
No, that's wind. Look at that, though.
But instead, we would get our oil from Saudi Arabia, et cetera, and have to ship it through Pakistan with all the roadblocks. It was about 900 bucks a gallon or some crazy shit. He was on my thing talking about it.
But instead, we would get our oil from Saudi Arabia, et cetera, and have to ship it through Pakistan with all the roadblocks. It was about 900 bucks a gallon or some crazy shit. He was on my thing talking about it.
Yeah, he's very smart. And Eric is, he's a problem solver. You can say whatever you want about him, but I really enjoy, he's a very smart guy. And I know people that work with him and for him.
Yeah, he's very smart. And Eric is, he's a problem solver. You can say whatever you want about him, but I really enjoy, he's a very smart guy. And I know people that work with him and for him.
Just so you can outrage me and give me more energy.
Just so you can outrage me and give me more energy.
But here's my other thing. Here's the question I have. Okay, so you see that, right? Now- Who is going to rebuild there and who's going to finance it? And then what kind of insurance are you going to be able to get? So are you going to get insurance? Is a bank going to finance that? Would you want to rebuild there when you have to wait for a gas station for a grocery store? There's nothing there.
But here's my other thing. Here's the question I have. Okay, so you see that, right? Now- Who is going to rebuild there and who's going to finance it? And then what kind of insurance are you going to be able to get? So are you going to get insurance? Is a bank going to finance that? Would you want to rebuild there when you have to wait for a gas station for a grocery store? There's nothing there.
This AI shit's getting crazy.
This AI shit's getting crazy.
Oh, wow. Oh, that's helpful.
Oh, wow. Oh, that's helpful.
Only if you want to save lives. Yeah. But again, this is social justice. Social justice. No, they care about representation. Ideology over effectiveness. Ideology over utility.
Only if you want to save lives. Yeah. But again, this is social justice. Social justice. No, they care about representation. Ideology over effectiveness. Ideology over utility.
There's a limit to what you can do. People, you know, they're not stupid. Americans, they reach their boring point.
There's a limit to what you can do. People, you know, they're not stupid. Americans, they reach their boring point.
Make everybody rise to the same level.
Make everybody rise to the same level.
Well, that's because they, again, they're framing the problem wrong. If you talk to those people, you talk to the people in charge of homelessness. A lot of times, I'm not saying a lot of them are, look, a lot of them are good people and a lot of them are smart and they know a lot more about it than I do.
Well, that's because they, again, they're framing the problem wrong. If you talk to those people, you talk to the people in charge of homelessness. A lot of times, I'm not saying a lot of them are, look, a lot of them are good people and a lot of them are smart and they know a lot more about it than I do.
So I don't like being the guy who's talking about like, but I'm just saying I like to be fair. I want to be fair. But I think when you're framing it just as a housing problem and an inequality problem, it's a fucking,
So I don't like being the guy who's talking about like, but I'm just saying I like to be fair. I want to be fair. But I think when you're framing it just as a housing problem and an inequality problem, it's a fucking,
And, you know, California was always, including under Democratic governors, California was always known as a place that was run very, very well with really responsible civic employees for a long time under Reardon and that and stuff.
And, you know, California was always, including under Democratic governors, California was always known as a place that was run very, very well with really responsible civic employees for a long time under Reardon and that and stuff.
Right. So to me, I don't know what happens to that very valuable property.
Right. So to me, I don't know what happens to that very valuable property.
So I had... I was with Arnold Schwarzenegger and I asked him, what was it like to be governor? And one of the things I got was that how little power he, he was not able to get a lot of things done, but I'll give you a classic example. He said, and I'm sorry if I'm paraphrasing, but he said something, he said, there was a water issue.
So I had... I was with Arnold Schwarzenegger and I asked him, what was it like to be governor? And one of the things I got was that how little power he, he was not able to get a lot of things done, but I'll give you a classic example. He said, and I'm sorry if I'm paraphrasing, but he said something, he said, there was a water issue.
And he said, these farmers over here are not using all that water. So here's ready. Here's what you do. Just take the water they're not using and give it to this, this part of the state over here. Let's not be able to just pipe it over here. And his senators said, Mr. Governor, you can't do that. He said, why?
And he said, these farmers over here are not using all that water. So here's ready. Here's what you do. Just take the water they're not using and give it to this, this part of the state over here. Let's not be able to just pipe it over here. And his senators said, Mr. Governor, you can't do that. He said, why?
He goes, because now you're asking me to go and ask my constituents to give up some of their water. They're going to use that against me in my next election. So Schwarzenegger goes, so then what the fuck are we going to do? And he goes, here's what you're going to do. You're going to make a speech and you're going to say exactly what you just said to us.
He goes, because now you're asking me to go and ask my constituents to give up some of their water. They're going to use that against me in my next election. So Schwarzenegger goes, so then what the fuck are we going to do? And he goes, here's what you're going to do. You're going to make a speech and you're going to say exactly what you just said to us.
And we're going to say yes, but then we're not going to really let it happen. Right. And he goes, that's how this works. He goes, how you're learning, baby. That's fucking California state politics.
And we're going to say yes, but then we're not going to really let it happen. Right. And he goes, that's how this works. He goes, how you're learning, baby. That's fucking California state politics.
Let me give you an example. So- Pete Hegseth seems like a great guy. I'm a fan. I don't know much about him, but he seems like the kind of guy I'd like to hang out and have a beer with. I'm sure he's very smart. Princeton, I think. Harvard. Bronze star. Wrote four books. Awesome. I'm sure he'll be a very effective Secretary of Defense.
Let me give you an example. So- Pete Hegseth seems like a great guy. I'm a fan. I don't know much about him, but he seems like the kind of guy I'd like to hang out and have a beer with. I'm sure he's very smart. Princeton, I think. Harvard. Bronze star. Wrote four books. Awesome. I'm sure he'll be a very effective Secretary of Defense.
However, that job, this DOD, I think has a million point one employees and a budget of $750 billion, maybe $850 billion. Now, just that is a massive, massive company, essentially. And that requires management on a different level. That skill set is very specific and very, very difficult and very strange. It doesn't mean that because you are a great soldier, you can necessarily do that.
However, that job, this DOD, I think has a million point one employees and a budget of $750 billion, maybe $850 billion. Now, just that is a massive, massive company, essentially. And that requires management on a different level. That skill set is very specific and very, very difficult and very strange. It doesn't mean that because you are a great soldier, you can necessarily do that.
And I'm saying I'm not I'm just using it as an example. So we have to get down to brass tacks and take politics out of this and get real fucking practical with all this stuff. I think with Elon Musk and with Vivek Ramaswamy, the US government is a very complicated organism and massive and does a lot of shit none of us even know about. You know, I always use this as an example.
And I'm saying I'm not I'm just using it as an example. So we have to get down to brass tacks and take politics out of this and get real fucking practical with all this stuff. I think with Elon Musk and with Vivek Ramaswamy, the US government is a very complicated organism and massive and does a lot of shit none of us even know about. You know, I always use this as an example.
Who the fuck keeps geese out of the airfields? The Department of Agriculture. Who keeps falcons on hand at most airports? Peregrine falcons. You know who does? The Department of Agriculture. You know why? Because they're territorial birds. They keep all the other birds out of the airfield. You know how to do that? Because I don't.
Who the fuck keeps geese out of the airfields? The Department of Agriculture. Who keeps falcons on hand at most airports? Peregrine falcons. You know who does? The Department of Agriculture. You know why? Because they're territorial birds. They keep all the other birds out of the airfield. You know how to do that? Because I don't.
Who gets sheep to graze at a higher altitude because of global warming and they don't want to graze when it's really hot? I don't know, but we have to do that if you want mutton and fucking wool. And there are scientists that have to figure that out. They're not political. There's a thousand things.
Who gets sheep to graze at a higher altitude because of global warming and they don't want to graze when it's really hot? I don't know, but we have to do that if you want mutton and fucking wool. And there are scientists that have to figure that out. They're not political. There's a thousand things.
Who manages all that nuclear waste in the ground and makes sure it doesn't get into the Columbia River and the waterways? Who manages our electric grid? Who keeps track, please, I'd like to know, of all these spent uranium rods, sir, that are used in all our diagnostic machines? Because if you detonate one of those motherfuckers over the Super Bowl, you have to clear out that city for 20 years.
Who manages all that nuclear waste in the ground and makes sure it doesn't get into the Columbia River and the waterways? Who manages our electric grid? Who keeps track, please, I'd like to know, of all these spent uranium rods, sir, that are used in all our diagnostic machines? Because if you detonate one of those motherfuckers over the Super Bowl, you have to clear out that city for 20 years.
The Department of Energy is the answer. That's Buttigieg. He's doing a great job.
The Department of Energy is the answer. That's Buttigieg. He's doing a great job.
Yeah, he's the nuclear secretary.
Yeah, he's the nuclear secretary.
That guy seems like fucking well put together.
That guy seems like fucking well put together.
And so Michael Lewis wrote a book called The Fifth Risk about this. A good book. Short. Very worth reading. Very fucking worth reading. I walk around talking about being a libertarian. As usual, I don't really know what government does. I was so kind of humbled by the book because I was like, there's a lot of shit I rely on.
And so Michael Lewis wrote a book called The Fifth Risk about this. A good book. Short. Very worth reading. Very fucking worth reading. I walk around talking about being a libertarian. As usual, I don't really know what government does. I was so kind of humbled by the book because I was like, there's a lot of shit I rely on.
People who are needy, people who are very elderly, people who are disabled, who live in places where they can't get food, our food banks feed those people. Meals on Wheels is a really big thing. So there's a lot of shit that the government does, and we feed a lot of people that couldn't feed themselves otherwise. So we have to be careful about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
People who are needy, people who are very elderly, people who are disabled, who live in places where they can't get food, our food banks feed those people. Meals on Wheels is a really big thing. So there's a lot of shit that the government does, and we feed a lot of people that couldn't feed themselves otherwise. So we have to be careful about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I think they should be put to death.
I think they should be put to death.
And once again, take politics out of it. Let's approach everything like it's a problem and stay agnostic about this shit. And sometimes you might have to be a little left. Sometimes you might have to be a little right. Respond to the fucking evidence and be humble about the fact that every time you step into a problem, you may not know anything. And that's what I try to do.
And once again, take politics out of it. Let's approach everything like it's a problem and stay agnostic about this shit. And sometimes you might have to be a little left. Sometimes you might have to be a little right. Respond to the fucking evidence and be humble about the fact that every time you step into a problem, you may not know anything. And that's what I try to do.
Fucking, why didn't you write, I hope you guys wrote that shit down. Where's my camera? You don't need to write it down, bro. You just said it from the heart. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, bro. Fucking hilarious. Yeah, why don't you be a governor? My buddy, my buddy, last time I did my podcast, my buddy AG goes like this. He goes, from Toe Hold, he goes, hey dude, loved your Rogan podcast.
Fucking, why didn't you write, I hope you guys wrote that shit down. Where's my camera? You don't need to write it down, bro. You just said it from the heart. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, bro. Fucking hilarious. Yeah, why don't you be a governor? My buddy, my buddy, last time I did my podcast, my buddy AG goes like this. He goes, from Toe Hold, he goes, hey dude, loved your Rogan podcast.
Next time you're on the biggest podcast in the world, make sure you talk about the fucking Bible some more.
Next time you're on the biggest podcast in the world, make sure you talk about the fucking Bible some more.
It's not only incredible, but I always think the fact that the Bible endures is interesting.
It's not only incredible, but I always think the fact that the Bible endures is interesting.
I have an opinion. Tell me. I think that if you read the Old Testament, which I've done three times, I would argue that—so what's a theme of a—any author writes a book, the theme is always the author's argument for how one should behave in the world, okay? It's a good way of looking at it. And I think that the central theme of the Bible, of the Old Testament, certainly is don't worship false gods.
I have an opinion. Tell me. I think that if you read the Old Testament, which I've done three times, I would argue that—so what's a theme of a—any author writes a book, the theme is always the author's argument for how one should behave in the world, okay? It's a good way of looking at it. And I think that the central theme of the Bible, of the Old Testament, certainly is don't worship false gods.
So what's that mean? If you try to worship false gods, if you put too much emphasis on money, on status, on power, whatever it is, on ideology, you will inevitably turn yourself into a circle. You'll be a snake eating its own tail. For whatever reason, human beings have a very hard time inventing and creating their own gods. And we always do it. The value of having a transcendent truth
So what's that mean? If you try to worship false gods, if you put too much emphasis on money, on status, on power, whatever it is, on ideology, you will inevitably turn yourself into a circle. You'll be a snake eating its own tail. For whatever reason, human beings have a very hard time inventing and creating their own gods. And we always do it. The value of having a transcendent truth
of something that you can't measure. It's very interesting that you can't measure it. So why do the Muslims, why do the Orthodox Jews not have any kind of picture of God? It's because you're putting a measurement around God. You're trying to define God, and that's not for you to do.
of something that you can't measure. It's very interesting that you can't measure it. So why do the Muslims, why do the Orthodox Jews not have any kind of picture of God? It's because you're putting a measurement around God. You're trying to define God, and that's not for you to do.
And there's something very valuable about not being able to do that because that transcendent truth is not for you to understand necessarily. It is for you to reach for. It is for you to be reverent of. It's for you to understand that something is watching you, that you will never get away with anything. And I'll quote Jordan Peterson. I love it because I've always thought this.
And there's something very valuable about not being able to do that because that transcendent truth is not for you to understand necessarily. It is for you to reach for. It is for you to be reverent of. It's for you to understand that something is watching you, that you will never get away with anything. And I'll quote Jordan Peterson. I love it because I've always thought this.
I think you agree with this. You don't get away with anything. You'll pay in full for everything you've done and haven't done. It's a great way of looking at things. Maybe it's wrong, but it's a good way to at least keep that in mind.
I think you agree with this. You don't get away with anything. You'll pay in full for everything you've done and haven't done. It's a great way of looking at things. Maybe it's wrong, but it's a good way to at least keep that in mind.
This kind of tragedy brings out the best in people and the worst in people. The one thing it does in these communities, it brings all these people together. My buddy started to cry because I was on the phone with him. He lost everything, right? And they're going to come stay with us. And he said, when I was on the phone, these people dropped by and dropped off clothes for them.
This kind of tragedy brings out the best in people and the worst in people. The one thing it does in these communities, it brings all these people together. My buddy started to cry because I was on the phone with him. He lost everything, right? And they're going to come stay with us. And he said, when I was on the phone, these people dropped by and dropped off clothes for them.
Well, also, like I always people talk about God. I kind of like replacing it with truth. So just just try to stay close to the truth, man. And it's hard. Sometimes the truth is really fucking inconvenient. It's really it's really it'll it might throw your whole life up in the air. You might have to burn off, you know, but I don't think, I think it's inevitable.
Well, also, like I always people talk about God. I kind of like replacing it with truth. So just just try to stay close to the truth, man. And it's hard. Sometimes the truth is really fucking inconvenient. It's really it's really it'll it might throw your whole life up in the air. You might have to burn off, you know, but I don't think, I think it's inevitable.
And part of like, if you see great stories, you know, what's the definition of a tragedy? It's the hero or the protagonist doesn't learn from his mistakes and holds on. Moby Dick is a tragedy because Ahab will not give up on this fucking white whale that took his leg. And if you read the book, he just gets sucked in. You'd think it'd be some dramatic thing. In the book, Ahab gets caught
And part of like, if you see great stories, you know, what's the definition of a tragedy? It's the hero or the protagonist doesn't learn from his mistakes and holds on. Moby Dick is a tragedy because Ahab will not give up on this fucking white whale that took his leg. And if you read the book, he just gets sucked in. You'd think it'd be some dramatic thing. In the book, Ahab gets caught
by the whale, and he just dies this quick. It's just soundless. He just gets sucked in. Like, wait, dude, he's been in the book the whole time. What the fuck happened? That's how it happens, bro. You got sucked down, and the universe doesn't give a fuck. You're not important.
by the whale, and he just dies this quick. It's just soundless. He just gets sucked in. Like, wait, dude, he's been in the book the whole time. What the fuck happened? That's how it happens, bro. You got sucked down, and the universe doesn't give a fuck. You're not important.
But you spent all that time trying to get vengeance on a white whale, and that thing was like, he was just trying to run away. You get sucked in and you drown. It's a great way of looking at life. And as I get older, the one thing I would have told myself when I was younger, the one thing I would have told myself is I would have said, hey, listen, listen, fuckface.
But you spent all that time trying to get vengeance on a white whale, and that thing was like, he was just trying to run away. You get sucked in and you drown. It's a great way of looking at life. And as I get older, the one thing I would have told myself when I was younger, the one thing I would have told myself is I would have said, hey, listen, listen, fuckface.
You better tell the truth all the way across the board, all the way across.
You better tell the truth all the way across the board, all the way across.
You're so fucking right. Because you know what I always said to myself? I'm one of God's favorites. These things don't apply to me. I'm Peter Pan.
You're so fucking right. Because you know what I always said to myself? I'm one of God's favorites. These things don't apply to me. I'm Peter Pan.
Yeah, I didn't want to be too... The people I knew who got real famous actors, they were so buttoned down. They were so fucking afraid of everything. And I was like, hey, bro, I think sometimes you got to be willing to throw the whole fucking chessboard in the air.
Yeah, I didn't want to be too... The people I knew who got real famous actors, they were so buttoned down. They were so fucking afraid of everything. And I was like, hey, bro, I think sometimes you got to be willing to throw the whole fucking chessboard in the air.
And he's got a lot of money. And he started to cry, man. He was like, I can't tell you how many people have reached out.
And he's got a lot of money. And he started to cry, man. He was like, I can't tell you how many people have reached out.
Kill somebody like that.
Kill somebody like that.
It feels like nothing on your foot. Well, it hurt.
It feels like nothing on your foot. Well, it hurt.
Yeah, because that could have been you.
Yeah, because that could have been you.
that's why I think fighters who can, who have longevity are very special because one of the things, you know, if you like just box or Taekwondo, especially people don't realize that people get, would get knocked out all the time in our studio, but, but also boxing. Like when you get hit hard and you have trouble chewing for like two weeks or you get hit, like, like when I was sparring a lot,
that's why I think fighters who can, who have longevity are very special because one of the things, you know, if you like just box or Taekwondo, especially people don't realize that people get, would get knocked out all the time in our studio, but, but also boxing. Like when you get hit hard and you have trouble chewing for like two weeks or you get hit, like, like when I was sparring a lot,
I'm skeptical. Of course you are. Is this conspiracy?
I'm skeptical. Of course you are. Is this conspiracy?
I would get hit, man, and I would get fucking gun shy. And my trainer, Wayne McCulloch, would go, you're sparring today. And it was everything I could do not to turn my car around. It would almost turn me into a liar. I was like, I'm in the hospital. Oh, my car just got hit by a truck. Anything.
I would get hit, man, and I would get fucking gun shy. And my trainer, Wayne McCulloch, would go, you're sparring today. And it was everything I could do not to turn my car around. It would almost turn me into a liar. I was like, I'm in the hospital. Oh, my car just got hit by a truck. Anything.
But you'd get there and you'd have your fucking, I would wear a bar because I'm a bitch and a mouthpiece. And I was still always nervous. And I was fighting good guys, fighting guys like me, fucking weekend warriors.
But you'd get there and you'd have your fucking, I would wear a bar because I'm a bitch and a mouthpiece. And I was still always nervous. And I was fighting good guys, fighting guys like me, fucking weekend warriors.
I don't mind to take it. In 2018... Brian, pull that microphone up to your face a little bit. There you go. How's that? Perfect. All right. In 2018, individuals by the name of Amber and Marcus Capone founded an organization called VETS, Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions. Marcus Capone had been a special operator, and he had done multiple tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I don't mind to take it. In 2018... Brian, pull that microphone up to your face a little bit. There you go. How's that? Perfect. All right. In 2018, individuals by the name of Amber and Marcus Capone founded an organization called VETS, Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions. Marcus Capone had been a special operator, and he had done multiple tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
When he came home, finally from war, Amber described an individual who bore no resemblance to the man that she married. He came home as a severely traumatized individual and was met by a system which could not in any way effectively address the nature of his trauma.
When he came home, finally from war, Amber described an individual who bore no resemblance to the man that she married. He came home as a severely traumatized individual and was met by a system which could not in any way effectively address the nature of his trauma.
Recognizing that his life was at stake, as well as the future of her family, she became desperate and went online and discovered the existence of a compound called Ibogaine. She made arrangements for Marcus to receive treatment from an individual by the name of Martin Polanco, who operated a clinical operation called Mission Within.
Recognizing that his life was at stake, as well as the future of her family, she became desperate and went online and discovered the existence of a compound called Ibogaine. She made arrangements for Marcus to receive treatment from an individual by the name of Martin Polanco, who operated a clinical operation called Mission Within.
Amber, as a last shot at saving her family, sent him to Mexico to receive Ibogaine treatment. She said when he returned, he came back as the man she remembered marrying before he ever went to war again. as they learned about other friends of theirs who were coming back home with similar circumstances on the verge of familial dissolution. with Marcus and his friends at the verge of suicide.
Amber, as a last shot at saving her family, sent him to Mexico to receive Ibogaine treatment. She said when he returned, he came back as the man she remembered marrying before he ever went to war again. as they learned about other friends of theirs who were coming back home with similar circumstances on the verge of familial dissolution. with Marcus and his friends at the verge of suicide.
They began just as a friend group to put money together to send their close circle of individuals down to receive this treatment. They came together to form vets, and since 2018, over 1,000 veterans have traveled to the Ambeo Clinic south of Tijuana to receive Ibogaine treatment for symptoms of traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder.
They began just as a friend group to put money together to send their close circle of individuals down to receive this treatment. They came together to form vets, and since 2018, over 1,000 veterans have traveled to the Ambeo Clinic south of Tijuana to receive Ibogaine treatment for symptoms of traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder.
Because of the miraculous outcomes which were endorsed by the veterans who were receiving this treatment, a group of philanthropists funded a study out of Stanford University, which was led by Dr. Nolan Williams. And over the course of several years, a cohort of 30 veterans were evaluated. before and after Ibogaine treatment.
Because of the miraculous outcomes which were endorsed by the veterans who were receiving this treatment, a group of philanthropists funded a study out of Stanford University, which was led by Dr. Nolan Williams. And over the course of several years, a cohort of 30 veterans were evaluated. before and after Ibogaine treatment.
They were evaluated comprehensively through the administration of a battery of psychological tests to quantify the nature and duration of their symptoms. They underwent pre- and post-treatment MRI scans. These scans were compared against a database which had been compiled of hundreds of thousands of healthy adult brains covering the human lifespan
They were evaluated comprehensively through the administration of a battery of psychological tests to quantify the nature and duration of their symptoms. They underwent pre- and post-treatment MRI scans. These scans were compared against a database which had been compiled of hundreds of thousands of healthy adult brains covering the human lifespan
And through an algorithmic assessment, the question was, what was the physiological effect upon the human brain, if any? To explain these miraculous outcomes were Veterans who had been on the verge of suicide, who had been paralyzed by symptomatology associated with profound anxiety, profound depression.
And through an algorithmic assessment, the question was, what was the physiological effect upon the human brain, if any? To explain these miraculous outcomes were Veterans who had been on the verge of suicide, who had been paralyzed by symptomatology associated with profound anxiety, profound depression.
In many cases, veterans who were prescribed an array of habituate and pharmacology, which ineffectively addressed their symptomatology, were not just back to what they could remember being before they experienced their trauma, but had been liberated from that pharmacology.
In many cases, veterans who were prescribed an array of habituate and pharmacology, which ineffectively addressed their symptomatology, were not just back to what they could remember being before they experienced their trauma, but had been liberated from that pharmacology.
The results of that study are nothing short of miraculous when it comes to the way in which Ibogaine has been revealed to have significant neuroregenerative properties that impact the human brain with profound implications for conditions for which there are no current effective treatments. Specifically,
The results of that study are nothing short of miraculous when it comes to the way in which Ibogaine has been revealed to have significant neuroregenerative properties that impact the human brain with profound implications for conditions for which there are no current effective treatments. Specifically,
The white matter that covers the surface of our brains, which is the highway across which all of our thoughts and impulses travel, grew and thickened in size across the entire surface of each of these veterans' brains. The centers of the brain responsible for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size.
The white matter that covers the surface of our brains, which is the highway across which all of our thoughts and impulses travel, grew and thickened in size across the entire surface of each of these veterans' brains. The centers of the brain responsible for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size.
The average reversal of brain age among this cohort of 30 veterans was one and a half years, with the top five among that cohort seeing a reversal of brain age of almost five years. Right now, there are individuals who live offshore from the United States. who are using Ibogaine to effectively treat symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, and Parkinson's disease.
The average reversal of brain age among this cohort of 30 veterans was one and a half years, with the top five among that cohort seeing a reversal of brain age of almost five years. Right now, there are individuals who live offshore from the United States. who are using Ibogaine to effectively treat symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, and Parkinson's disease.
Just about two weeks ago, Governor Perry and I had the privilege of spending some time with a researcher who is based out of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. This researcher has developed a protocol for the treatment of Parkinson's symptoms with Ibogaine. We had the privilege of visiting with one of his patients who wishes to remain anonymous, as well as a family member of this patient.
Just about two weeks ago, Governor Perry and I had the privilege of spending some time with a researcher who is based out of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. This researcher has developed a protocol for the treatment of Parkinson's symptoms with Ibogaine. We had the privilege of visiting with one of his patients who wishes to remain anonymous, as well as a family member of this patient.
We were shown a video whereby this individual had developed Parkinson's disease at the age of 41. it had advanced so aggressively that by age 51, this gentleman was completely bed-fast.
We were shown a video whereby this individual had developed Parkinson's disease at the age of 41. it had advanced so aggressively that by age 51, this gentleman was completely bed-fast.
As a last resort, he underwent an invasive intracranial surgical procedure called deep brain stimulation, where they drilled holes through his skull and implanted electrodes, which were designed to stimulate the production of what is called
As a last resort, he underwent an invasive intracranial surgical procedure called deep brain stimulation, where they drilled holes through his skull and implanted electrodes, which were designed to stimulate the production of what is called
glioneurotropic growth factor, which essentially stimulates the dopamine receptors to produce dopamine, the absence of which is implicated in the development of Parkinson's disease. And while this gentleman was no longer bed-fast, he was not able to volitionally control his bodily movements.
glioneurotropic growth factor, which essentially stimulates the dopamine receptors to produce dopamine, the absence of which is implicated in the development of Parkinson's disease. And while this gentleman was no longer bed-fast, he was not able to volitionally control his bodily movements.
The video that we saw demonstrated his attempts to stand and walk, and the ability to walk was non-existent. After he had undergone the deep brain stimulation, he signed up for euthanasia services in the country in which he lives because it is legal and he was at the end of his rope.
The video that we saw demonstrated his attempts to stand and walk, and the ability to walk was non-existent. After he had undergone the deep brain stimulation, he signed up for euthanasia services in the country in which he lives because it is legal and he was at the end of his rope.
He underwent a four-week course of upward titration with low-dose Ibogaine that did not produce a psychoactive experience. And at the end of those four weeks, that gentleman was able to stand, walk, and function as a normal human being. The outcome is nothing short of miraculous.
He underwent a four-week course of upward titration with low-dose Ibogaine that did not produce a psychoactive experience. And at the end of those four weeks, that gentleman was able to stand, walk, and function as a normal human being. The outcome is nothing short of miraculous.
I had a public service career in the state of Kentucky, and the last stint of it involved my role as the chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission. Within that role, I designed for what, by lack of a better term, was the Kentucky Abagate Initiative.
I had a public service career in the state of Kentucky, and the last stint of it involved my role as the chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission. Within that role, I designed for what, by lack of a better term, was the Kentucky Abagate Initiative.
Dr. Williams has said, and I agree, that Ibogaine is the most sophisticated medication on the planet. The results of that Stanford study were published in a top five medical research journal called Nature Medicine on January 5, 2024. An organization called the Brain and Behavioral Research Foundation named that study as its number two study in terms of
Dr. Williams has said, and I agree, that Ibogaine is the most sophisticated medication on the planet. The results of that Stanford study were published in a top five medical research journal called Nature Medicine on January 5, 2024. An organization called the Brain and Behavioral Research Foundation named that study as its number two study in terms of
neuropharmacology in the world for the year 2024. I have become convinced that any system which maintains Ibogaine's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be tore apart brick by brick.
neuropharmacology in the world for the year 2024. I have become convinced that any system which maintains Ibogaine's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be tore apart brick by brick.
If I might provide some historical context on the reality that you have just articulated, In 1962, a heroin addict by the name of Howard Lotsoff, whose widow, Norma, is still living in New York City, he was part of an underground subculture in the early 60s known as the Yippies. And Howard came into contact with Ibogaine in 1962, and he took it out of curiosity just to see what would occur.
If I might provide some historical context on the reality that you have just articulated, In 1962, a heroin addict by the name of Howard Lotsoff, whose widow, Norma, is still living in New York City, he was part of an underground subculture in the early 60s known as the Yippies. And Howard came into contact with Ibogaine in 1962, and he took it out of curiosity just to see what would occur.
After he took it, he discovered that his desire for heroin had vanished, despite a nine-year hardcore dependency. Howard, along with a guy by the name of Stanley Glick, a gentleman by the name of Dana Beale, joined also by a guy by the name of Dr. Kenneth Alper, were the original pioneers.
After he took it, he discovered that his desire for heroin had vanished, despite a nine-year hardcore dependency. Howard, along with a guy by the name of Stanley Glick, a gentleman by the name of Dana Beale, joined also by a guy by the name of Dr. Kenneth Alper, were the original pioneers.
who essentially engaged in a decades-long process of developing observational field data which demonstrated that Ibogaine had the unique ability to resolve physiological dependence on opioids. The mechanism of action was not understood and is still not understood. What is known is that the opioid-dependent brain does not have the capacity to produce its own dopamine and serotonin.
who essentially engaged in a decades-long process of developing observational field data which demonstrated that Ibogaine had the unique ability to resolve physiological dependence on opioids. The mechanism of action was not understood and is still not understood. What is known is that the opioid-dependent brain does not have the capacity to produce its own dopamine and serotonin.
Dopamine and serotonin are our baseline survival chemicals. They drive all of our most fundamental human instincts. The drive to eat, the drive to drink, the drive to procreate. The human body's natural physical capacity to produce dopamine at its maximum, as measured in what's called nanograms per deciliter, is 125 nanograms per deciliter.
Dopamine and serotonin are our baseline survival chemicals. They drive all of our most fundamental human instincts. The drive to eat, the drive to drink, the drive to procreate. The human body's natural physical capacity to produce dopamine at its maximum, as measured in what's called nanograms per deciliter, is 125 nanograms per deciliter.
Opioids produce a dopamine response of 925 nanograms per deciliter, exceeded only by meth, which produces a dopamine response of 1,100 nanograms per deciliter. For years, individuals, as the opioid epidemic has played out in this country,
Opioids produce a dopamine response of 925 nanograms per deciliter, exceeded only by meth, which produces a dopamine response of 1,100 nanograms per deciliter. For years, individuals, as the opioid epidemic has played out in this country,
With the detonation of OxyContin and the Appalachian Mountains in 1996, for years we looked at this problem as one of profound moral failure by those who found themselves trapped in addiction. What I learned in my roles in government was that that was completely wrong.
With the detonation of OxyContin and the Appalachian Mountains in 1996, for years we looked at this problem as one of profound moral failure by those who found themselves trapped in addiction. What I learned in my roles in government was that that was completely wrong.
What we are seeing are the results of a profound neurochemical brain injury expressed by the shutdown of dopamine and serotonin in the brain due to opioid exposure.
What we are seeing are the results of a profound neurochemical brain injury expressed by the shutdown of dopamine and serotonin in the brain due to opioid exposure.
Ibogaine has the unique ability to restore the brain's dopamine and serotonin production to its pre-opioid exposure levels within 36 to 48 hours, thereby fully resolving physiological opioid dependence with a single administration for 80% of individuals the first time. That number goes to 97% with a second supportive dose. Wow.
Ibogaine has the unique ability to restore the brain's dopamine and serotonin production to its pre-opioid exposure levels within 36 to 48 hours, thereby fully resolving physiological opioid dependence with a single administration for 80% of individuals the first time. That number goes to 97% with a second supportive dose. Wow.
It is extraordinary, especially when we consider the outcomes that are produced by our existing treatment system. Addiction currently, you have two pathways. One is abstinence only, and the other is what's called medication for opioid use disorder, or what I refer to as opioid maintenance treatment. Outcomes associated with abstinence treatment are essentially a rate of success of 7%.
It is extraordinary, especially when we consider the outcomes that are produced by our existing treatment system. Addiction currently, you have two pathways. One is abstinence only, and the other is what's called medication for opioid use disorder, or what I refer to as opioid maintenance treatment. Outcomes associated with abstinence treatment are essentially a rate of success of 7%.
And the reason for that is because it takes the brain 18 months of complete abstinence from opioids to recover its own individual dopamine and serotonin production. You have to be completely abstinent for 18 months before the brain begins to heal. Ibogaine shortens that to 48 hours. It is something that is not understood, but is concrete and real.
And the reason for that is because it takes the brain 18 months of complete abstinence from opioids to recover its own individual dopamine and serotonin production. You have to be completely abstinent for 18 months before the brain begins to heal. Ibogaine shortens that to 48 hours. It is something that is not understood, but is concrete and real.
One other thing is important to mention about its physiological properties. Ibogaine can produce miraculous outcomes for individuals who find themselves substance dependent. Its applications haven't just been successful when it comes to opioid dependency. It is the only known substance to successfully treat meth dependency.
One other thing is important to mention about its physiological properties. Ibogaine can produce miraculous outcomes for individuals who find themselves substance dependent. Its applications haven't just been successful when it comes to opioid dependency. It is the only known substance to successfully treat meth dependency.
And when we consider that the current street economy, the prevailing combination is fentanyl and meth, There is no more compelling circumstance to demand the accelerated development of this therapeutic than the current reality of drug dependency and death in America. The risk comes with misadministration. There is a significant cardiac risk which accompanies Ibogaine. It has the propensity...
And when we consider that the current street economy, the prevailing combination is fentanyl and meth, There is no more compelling circumstance to demand the accelerated development of this therapeutic than the current reality of drug dependency and death in America. The risk comes with misadministration. There is a significant cardiac risk which accompanies Ibogaine. It has the propensity...
to prolong the beats between the heart, or what is called prolonged QT interval. The fancy word for it is Torsad syndrome. If an individual is given Ibogaine improperly, it will slow and stop their heart and they will die.
to prolong the beats between the heart, or what is called prolonged QT interval. The fancy word for it is Torsad syndrome. If an individual is given Ibogaine improperly, it will slow and stop their heart and they will die.
This is a very serious medication and it must at all times be administered by a medical professional with a background in interventional cardiology, supported by a nursing team that can deliver the administration of atropine to stabilize the heart's rhythm if it goes out of whack. during the course of treatment.
This is a very serious medication and it must at all times be administered by a medical professional with a background in interventional cardiology, supported by a nursing team that can deliver the administration of atropine to stabilize the heart's rhythm if it goes out of whack. during the course of treatment.
The other important thing to know is though that risk exists, it can be fully and completely mitigated by the co-administration of magnesium, a methodology that The best practice clinics in Mexico, I've had the privilege of going to two. The first was previously mentioned, which is Ambio, south of Tijuana, and the other is called Beyond, and it is in Cancun.
The other important thing to know is though that risk exists, it can be fully and completely mitigated by the co-administration of magnesium, a methodology that The best practice clinics in Mexico, I've had the privilege of going to two. The first was previously mentioned, which is Ambio, south of Tijuana, and the other is called Beyond, and it is in Cancun.
B-E-O-N-D. B-E-O-N-D. Yes, sir. Both of those clinics utilized the co-administration of magnesium in order to prevent the development of torsades. I explain all this to say to your audience, do not, under any circumstances, try to order Ibogaine online for self-administration. Do not free venture out into the world looking for any old clinic. Be very careful and selective.
B-E-O-N-D. B-E-O-N-D. Yes, sir. Both of those clinics utilized the co-administration of magnesium in order to prevent the development of torsades. I explain all this to say to your audience, do not, under any circumstances, try to order Ibogaine online for self-administration. Do not free venture out into the world looking for any old clinic. Be very careful and selective.
There are informational websites. One is maintained violated by the name of Juliana Mulligan called InterVision Ibogaine, which has a list of providers. As I said, I have been to both ABBO and beyond. They are clinical operations that adhere to the absolute best, highest standards of safety.
There are informational websites. One is maintained violated by the name of Juliana Mulligan called InterVision Ibogaine, which has a list of providers. As I said, I have been to both ABBO and beyond. They are clinical operations that adhere to the absolute best, highest standards of safety.
And you want to make sure, if you have a family member, that you're sending them to a place that recognizes them that Ibogaine is the very best possible beginning that you can give an individual to restore their lives in the aftermath of the devastation associated with addiction.
And you want to make sure, if you have a family member, that you're sending them to a place that recognizes them that Ibogaine is the very best possible beginning that you can give an individual to restore their lives in the aftermath of the devastation associated with addiction.
You want to make sure that the clinical staff is comprised of highly credentialed physicians, nurses with intensive care background and certification who are also believers in the advancement of this particular medication and who also have experience with it.
You want to make sure that the clinical staff is comprised of highly credentialed physicians, nurses with intensive care background and certification who are also believers in the advancement of this particular medication and who also have experience with it.
It needs to be delivered within a supportive therapeutic environment whereby you are within a community that is connected to your humanity where you have the ability to receive services that heal your mind, your body, and most importantly, your soul.
It needs to be delivered within a supportive therapeutic environment whereby you are within a community that is connected to your humanity where you have the ability to receive services that heal your mind, your body, and most importantly, your soul.
Is it all right if I talk about how I came to learn about this? I'm going to have to start at the beginning, and I will try to be as economical with the use of words as possible. I was raised in one of Virginia's five coal mining counties, Russell County, Virginia, which economically and culturally is much more similar to eastern Kentucky and
Is it all right if I talk about how I came to learn about this? I'm going to have to start at the beginning, and I will try to be as economical with the use of words as possible. I was raised in one of Virginia's five coal mining counties, Russell County, Virginia, which economically and culturally is much more similar to eastern Kentucky and
and southern West Virginia than it is to any other part of Virginia. I come out of a coal mining family. My grandfathers were both grade school educated. My father's father stopped attending school in the third grade. My mother's father stopped attending school in the sixth. Both of them are underground at the age of 16, and that's where they spent 40 years of their lives.
and southern West Virginia than it is to any other part of Virginia. I come out of a coal mining family. My grandfathers were both grade school educated. My father's father stopped attending school in the third grade. My mother's father stopped attending school in the sixth. Both of them are underground at the age of 16, and that's where they spent 40 years of their lives.
My family has been generationally devastated by profound effects of alcohol and substance abuse, as well as untreated mental illness. It has blighted us for as long as anyone can remember. This is the environment in which my parents grew up. They married early. My first memories as a child were of screaming, cussing, and chaos. I can remember my grandfathers who lived incredibly difficult lives.
My family has been generationally devastated by profound effects of alcohol and substance abuse, as well as untreated mental illness. It has blighted us for as long as anyone can remember. This is the environment in which my parents grew up. They married early. My first memories as a child were of screaming, cussing, and chaos. I can remember my grandfathers who lived incredibly difficult lives.
My mother's father was one of 16, had a pair of shoes given to him once a year. My father's father was one of 11. Neither one of them had a full set of fingers. You could hear my dad's dad breathe. 50 feet away from the combined effects of black lung and tuberculosis that he contracted in the coal camp in which my father was raised.
My mother's father was one of 16, had a pair of shoes given to him once a year. My father's father was one of 11. Neither one of them had a full set of fingers. You could hear my dad's dad breathe. 50 feet away from the combined effects of black lung and tuberculosis that he contracted in the coal camp in which my father was raised.
When I was a young boy and I would go and visit them, each of them, separately and independently, would at some point pull me aside and they would say, Papaw knows that you're scared and that you're anxious, but you need to know a couple of things. Number one, Papaw loves you. Number two, and most importantly, God loves you.
When I was a young boy and I would go and visit them, each of them, separately and independently, would at some point pull me aside and they would say, Papaw knows that you're scared and that you're anxious, but you need to know a couple of things. Number one, Papaw loves you. Number two, and most importantly, God loves you.
You have a special and unique purpose to achieve with your life that has been handed to you from on high. And no matter how scared you get, no matter how rough you think things are, if you will have faith that God will take care of you, you're going to come through just fine.
You have a special and unique purpose to achieve with your life that has been handed to you from on high. And no matter how scared you get, no matter how rough you think things are, if you will have faith that God will take care of you, you're going to come through just fine.
If my grandfathers had not provided me in those very early years with sanctuary from that early chaos, the stability of their love, and an affirmation of my spiritual significance, the chances are if I were alive at all, I certainly would not be sitting here
If my grandfathers had not provided me in those very early years with sanctuary from that early chaos, the stability of their love, and an affirmation of my spiritual significance, the chances are if I were alive at all, I certainly would not be sitting here
I would be looking to people like Governor Perry and people who held jobs like I once did wondering what they were going to do to pull me out of the ditch. I went through school at a time when Ronald Reagan was president. And just like the duckling to the duck, he was my North Star as to what America was all about.
I would be looking to people like Governor Perry and people who held jobs like I once did wondering what they were going to do to pull me out of the ditch. I went through school at a time when Ronald Reagan was president. And just like the duckling to the duck, he was my North Star as to what America was all about.
I had a very idealized version of American history and civics education delivered to me by grade school teachers who had come of age during World War II or ladies who had been trained by those teachers. Coming out of a working-class family, my dad was an installer for the telephone company and a lineman for 40 years.
I had a very idealized version of American history and civics education delivered to me by grade school teachers who had come of age during World War II or ladies who had been trained by those teachers. Coming out of a working-class family, my dad was an installer for the telephone company and a lineman for 40 years.
He had some struggles with alcohol when I was very young that he, through iron will, overcame, and today he is one of my absolute best and dear friends in this life. I was raised, along with my brother, to recognize the benchmarks of success as becoming either a doctor or a lawyer. I wasn't much good by way of math or science, but I could write and talk a little bit.
He had some struggles with alcohol when I was very young that he, through iron will, overcame, and today he is one of my absolute best and dear friends in this life. I was raised, along with my brother, to recognize the benchmarks of success as becoming either a doctor or a lawyer. I wasn't much good by way of math or science, but I could write and talk a little bit.
And I was also taught that law was the way in which you could defend truth, justice, and the American way. So with dewy-eyed optimism, I went to undergrad and had a wonderful time. And then I went to law school. And by the end of that first semester, with the acquisition of significant student loan debt, all of those dewy-eyed notions had been crushed and destroyed before my very eyes.
And I was also taught that law was the way in which you could defend truth, justice, and the American way. So with dewy-eyed optimism, I went to undergrad and had a wonderful time. And then I went to law school. And by the end of that first semester, with the acquisition of significant student loan debt, all of those dewy-eyed notions had been crushed and destroyed before my very eyes.
At the end of the three-year legal education process, I came to know and to understand that law has nothing to do with any of those things that I was raised to believe.
At the end of the three-year legal education process, I came to know and to understand that law has nothing to do with any of those things that I was raised to believe.
That law is often nothing other, oftentimes, than the tyrant's will, and always so when it is used to produce predetermined, manipulated outcomes in the hands of judges who drive results based on their own individual biases, predilections, and preferences.
That law is often nothing other, oftentimes, than the tyrant's will, and always so when it is used to produce predetermined, manipulated outcomes in the hands of judges who drive results based on their own individual biases, predilections, and preferences.
Because I owed such debt, my first job was to just get a job, and I found myself with an accidental career practicing workers' compensation law in Kentucky. I had the privilege of being mentored by a lady named Mary Kay Williams for one year. She had managed to achieve partnership with the law firm at which we worked together.
Because I owed such debt, my first job was to just get a job, and I found myself with an accidental career practicing workers' compensation law in Kentucky. I had the privilege of being mentored by a lady named Mary Kay Williams for one year. She had managed to achieve partnership with the law firm at which we worked together.
But in May of 2002, tragically at the age of 33, she died as a result of a fall from her attic at her home after a Memorial Day party. The next day I went into the office. A senior partner called me in and said, there's no easy time to have this discussion, so we're going to have it now. There is a 300-case caseload that Mary Kay handled. The bulk of those cases belong to Walmart stores.
But in May of 2002, tragically at the age of 33, she died as a result of a fall from her attic at her home after a Memorial Day party. The next day I went into the office. A senior partner called me in and said, there's no easy time to have this discussion, so we're going to have it now. There is a 300-case caseload that Mary Kay handled. The bulk of those cases belong to Walmart stores.
The state had received $842 million in settlements that will be paid out over the next 15 years by opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. And as the Kentucky Ibogaine Project was developed and executed, I was introduced to Governor Perry as someone who was a believer and advocate in the medicine. He and I developed...
The state had received $842 million in settlements that will be paid out over the next 15 years by opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. And as the Kentucky Ibogaine Project was developed and executed, I was introduced to Governor Perry as someone who was a believer and advocate in the medicine. He and I developed...
They are a significant client to this law firm. I don't know you, but you are one of the few associates of which she had glowing things to say. I need you to get in there and get your hands around that caseload and anchor this client to this firm.
They are a significant client to this law firm. I don't know you, but you are one of the few associates of which she had glowing things to say. I need you to get in there and get your hands around that caseload and anchor this client to this firm.
That touched off what was a 16-year legal career practicing workers' compensation law across Kentucky in the years which coincided with the onset and explosion of the opioid epidemic out of central and southern Appalachia.
That touched off what was a 16-year legal career practicing workers' compensation law across Kentucky in the years which coincided with the onset and explosion of the opioid epidemic out of central and southern Appalachia.
I traveled from one end of the state to the other representing Walmart, Tyson Foods, and Tennessee Valley Authority, practicing thousands of cases over the course of those years. I can remember taking the deposition of a particular individual who I would describe as representative of the dynamics of the opioid epidemic. This person was usually a middle-aged woman, somewhere between the ages of...
I traveled from one end of the state to the other representing Walmart, Tyson Foods, and Tennessee Valley Authority, practicing thousands of cases over the course of those years. I can remember taking the deposition of a particular individual who I would describe as representative of the dynamics of the opioid epidemic. This person was usually a middle-aged woman, somewhere between the ages of...
45 and 70 she would have worked tirelessly her entire life usually in eastern kentucky working in low skill low wage jobs convenience stores family dollars walmart's and she worked hard and she worked consistently and she would have been someone whose labor was a monument of devotion to her family At some point in time, she would have had a work accident, a slip and fall, or a lifting injury.
45 and 70 she would have worked tirelessly her entire life usually in eastern kentucky working in low skill low wage jobs convenience stores family dollars walmart's and she worked hard and she worked consistently and she would have been someone whose labor was a monument of devotion to her family At some point in time, she would have had a work accident, a slip and fall, or a lifting injury.
She would make her way to either a physician or, in some cases, a lawyer. She would undergo an evaluation, and she would endorse the existence of pain complaints throughout her body. This person would undergo a series of diagnostic studies that failed to reveal anything that was significant, certainly not enough to explain all of the pain symptoms that this person endorsed.
She would make her way to either a physician or, in some cases, a lawyer. She would undergo an evaluation, and she would endorse the existence of pain complaints throughout her body. This person would undergo a series of diagnostic studies that failed to reveal anything that was significant, certainly not enough to explain all of the pain symptoms that this person endorsed.
As a young lawyer, I took this lady's deposition probably 30 or 40 times. And I would get them to speak to their pain. I would get them to speak to their debility. And then I would pull out their medical records, which demonstrated that CT scans, MRIs, electrodiagnostic studies, all had failed to reveal any objective physiological explanation for their complaints of pain.
As a young lawyer, I took this lady's deposition probably 30 or 40 times. And I would get them to speak to their pain. I would get them to speak to their debility. And then I would pull out their medical records, which demonstrated that CT scans, MRIs, electrodiagnostic studies, all had failed to reveal any objective physiological explanation for their complaints of pain.
And being enthusiastic and wanting to defend the very best interests of my clients, I thought that I was being put on. that the plaintiff's lawyer had sat with this lady and had come up with a sob story to tell me in order to pull money out of my client's pockets.
And being enthusiastic and wanting to defend the very best interests of my clients, I thought that I was being put on. that the plaintiff's lawyer had sat with this lady and had come up with a sob story to tell me in order to pull money out of my client's pockets.
I was always very patient, and I was kind with the individual, but I would say, Ma'am, we have gone through a stack of medical records, and there does not appear to be anything wrong with you. And this lady would start to cry and she would say, Mr. Hubbard, I'm not a doctor and I can't tell you what's wrong with me.
I was always very patient, and I was kind with the individual, but I would say, Ma'am, we have gone through a stack of medical records, and there does not appear to be anything wrong with you. And this lady would start to cry and she would say, Mr. Hubbard, I'm not a doctor and I can't tell you what's wrong with me.
The only thing that I can tell you is from the time I open my eyes until I go to bed, I hurt from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet and I can't hardly make myself get up out of bed. This person's medical treatment
The only thing that I can tell you is from the time I open my eyes until I go to bed, I hurt from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet and I can't hardly make myself get up out of bed. This person's medical treatment
by the time they got to me, had consisted of the application of high-powered narcotic medications in response to their complaints, along with habituate and psychotropic medications, Oxycontin, Xanax, Xanaflex, the whole nine yards. If they were not physiologically disabled by their accident, they had been physiologically disabled by the pharmacology that had been thrown at them.
by the time they got to me, had consisted of the application of high-powered narcotic medications in response to their complaints, along with habituate and psychotropic medications, Oxycontin, Xanax, Xanaflex, the whole nine yards. If they were not physiologically disabled by their accident, they had been physiologically disabled by the pharmacology that had been thrown at them.
I took this person's deposition hundreds of times. And one day driving down the road, it dawned on me that whether these ladies had physical symptoms which were identifiable or not, they were truly, genuinely experiencing profound pain which had caused significant debility. That pain was not physical. It was emotional and it was spiritual. These ladies had worked lifetimes looking at a dead end.
I took this person's deposition hundreds of times. And one day driving down the road, it dawned on me that whether these ladies had physical symptoms which were identifiable or not, they were truly, genuinely experiencing profound pain which had caused significant debility. That pain was not physical. It was emotional and it was spiritual. These ladies had worked lifetimes looking at a dead end.
And at the time that they had their work accident, it was the straw that broke the camel's back for any hope they had of a future defined by dignity and autonomy. And their hope had been broken. And that broken hope came through as profound physical pain that was rooted within their spirit.
And at the time that they had their work accident, it was the straw that broke the camel's back for any hope they had of a future defined by dignity and autonomy. And their hope had been broken. And that broken hope came through as profound physical pain that was rooted within their spirit.
By virtue of my connection to an expert who I had utilized in my workers' compensation cases, in December of 2016, I received a call from a member of the then-administration of Governor Matt Bevin, and they were looking for an individual who could come in and look at the state's Social Security disability system. That's a federal program that exists to help individuals
By virtue of my connection to an expert who I had utilized in my workers' compensation cases, in December of 2016, I received a call from a member of the then-administration of Governor Matt Bevin, and they were looking for an individual who could come in and look at the state's Social Security disability system. That's a federal program that exists to help individuals
individuals who are disabled as a result of either physical or mental maladies. And while it's a federal program, it is administered by the individual states. And I was asked, what do you know about Social Security disability? And I said, well, not much. I know it and workers' compensation go hand in hand. And I know that Kentucky, for as long as anyone can remember,
individuals who are disabled as a result of either physical or mental maladies. And while it's a federal program, it is administered by the individual states. And I was asked, what do you know about Social Security disability? And I said, well, not much. I know it and workers' compensation go hand in hand. And I know that Kentucky, for as long as anyone can remember,
has a significant portion of its adult population receiving that benefit. We've been second only to West Virginia for at least 30 years. And they said, well, we're looking for someone who can come in and evaluate the system, understand how it works, and understand why Kentucky has so many people receiving it. Is this a job that you think that you could do?
has a significant portion of its adult population receiving that benefit. We've been second only to West Virginia for at least 30 years. And they said, well, we're looking for someone who can come in and evaluate the system, understand how it works, and understand why Kentucky has so many people receiving it. Is this a job that you think that you could do?
And I said, I don't know, but I'll sure give it my best try, and it's an honor to be considered. I'll take it. So in February of 17, I went in and began to lead Kentucky's Social Security Disability System. My first job was to understand why things were the way they were.
And I said, I don't know, but I'll sure give it my best try, and it's an honor to be considered. I'll take it. So in February of 17, I went in and began to lead Kentucky's Social Security Disability System. My first job was to understand why things were the way they were.
I assembled a team of high-caliber intellects who had years, decades, of policy experience with the Social Security Disability Program. And I wrote down 19 different statistical metrics that I wish for us to evaluate around the enrollment into the Social Security Disability Program as well as different socioeconomic factors which were unique to Kentucky.
I assembled a team of high-caliber intellects who had years, decades, of policy experience with the Social Security Disability Program. And I wrote down 19 different statistical metrics that I wish for us to evaluate around the enrollment into the Social Security Disability Program as well as different socioeconomic factors which were unique to Kentucky.
And in October of 2017, we issued what was the very first of its kind retrospective study of the evolution of the Social Security Disability Program in Kentucky covering the years 1980 through 2015. And here were some of the statistics that were the highlights of that report. Between 1980 and 2015, Kentucky's population grew 20%. Enrollment in the Social Security Disability Program grew 249%.
And in October of 2017, we issued what was the very first of its kind retrospective study of the evolution of the Social Security Disability Program in Kentucky covering the years 1980 through 2015. And here were some of the statistics that were the highlights of that report. Between 1980 and 2015, Kentucky's population grew 20%. Enrollment in the Social Security Disability Program grew 249%.
Childhood enrollment. Now, these are children who are under the age of 18. Most of them come from highly impoverished backgrounds where there's very little opportunity to have what we can consider to be a conventional healthy childhood. Childhood enrollment grew 449% over those 35 years.
Childhood enrollment. Now, these are children who are under the age of 18. Most of them come from highly impoverished backgrounds where there's very little opportunity to have what we can consider to be a conventional healthy childhood. Childhood enrollment grew 449% over those 35 years.
We paired the enrollment statistics with the state's Medicaid database, which tracked the issuance of every single pill that was capable of habituation to the state's SSI Medicaid population. Between 2001 and 2015, the issuance of prescription opioids to adults within the Social Security Disability System grew 210% from 47 doses per adult to 147 doses per adult.
We paired the enrollment statistics with the state's Medicaid database, which tracked the issuance of every single pill that was capable of habituation to the state's SSI Medicaid population. Between 2001 and 2015, the issuance of prescription opioids to adults within the Social Security Disability System grew 210% from 47 doses per adult to 147 doses per adult.
The issuance of habituating psychotropic medications to children whether it was amphetamine, whether it was antidepressant, anything that could create physiological dependence grew 168% from 275 doses per child to 457 doses per SSI Medicaid child. My first month on the job,
The issuance of habituating psychotropic medications to children whether it was amphetamine, whether it was antidepressant, anything that could create physiological dependence grew 168% from 275 doses per child to 457 doses per SSI Medicaid child. My first month on the job,
we had the Social Security Administration's federal liaison to the state of Kentucky come in for what was called the home agency visit. This was a semi-annual review of the state's Social Security Disability Program and the way in which it was meeting federal performance standards.
we had the Social Security Administration's federal liaison to the state of Kentucky come in for what was called the home agency visit. This was a semi-annual review of the state's Social Security Disability Program and the way in which it was meeting federal performance standards.
I wish that I had had a recording of this meeting when it occurred because this person gave me a gift of truth right off the bat. I assembled the management team. I was sitting at the end of the table, and this person began by saying, folks, claims are down, and that's bad. because claims equal budget.
I wish that I had had a recording of this meeting when it occurred because this person gave me a gift of truth right off the bat. I assembled the management team. I was sitting at the end of the table, and this person began by saying, folks, claims are down, and that's bad. because claims equal budget.
I came to learn that the Social Security Disability Program was not necessarily run primarily for the benefit of the Social Security Disability recipients. It was run for the perpetual expansion of the SSA's own bureaucracy and that while Social Security disability benefits represented 16% of benefit payments within the system, it consumed 45% of the agency's budget.
I came to learn that the Social Security Disability Program was not necessarily run primarily for the benefit of the Social Security Disability recipients. It was run for the perpetual expansion of the SSA's own bureaucracy and that while Social Security disability benefits represented 16% of benefit payments within the system, it consumed 45% of the agency's budget.
In order to get more money, you must have more recipients, despite the nature of those outcomes. I came to also run the state's child support enforcement system. Within that role, it was perceived that the state was not delivering child support payments to children. It is the largest single anti-poverty program, not just in Kentucky, but in the country.
In order to get more money, you must have more recipients, despite the nature of those outcomes. I came to also run the state's child support enforcement system. Within that role, it was perceived that the state was not delivering child support payments to children. It is the largest single anti-poverty program, not just in Kentucky, but in the country.
Direct payment transfers from an obligated parent to the custodial parent. It was believed that there were a number of deadbeat dads who were just not paying the bill. And what I came to find out was that those officials who were responsible for running the program, and in Kentucky that was 120 individually elected county attorneys, in fact, had some systemic issues.
Direct payment transfers from an obligated parent to the custodial parent. It was believed that there were a number of deadbeat dads who were just not paying the bill. And what I came to find out was that those officials who were responsible for running the program, and in Kentucky that was 120 individually elected county attorneys, in fact, had some systemic issues.
There were a cohort of county attorneys who were running that program perfectly. There was another cohort that were running it with some degree of success, but not necessarily at top performance. And then there was another group that were running their operations horribly. I discovered that within the cohort of 117 elected officials, 40 of them
There were a cohort of county attorneys who were running that program perfectly. There was another cohort that were running it with some degree of success, but not necessarily at top performance. And then there was another group that were running their operations horribly. I discovered that within the cohort of 117 elected officials, 40 of them
owned their own property, which they then turned around and charged the child support program rent. Essentially, federal and state tax dollars through rent payments were going to allow for the acquisition of private real estate equity interest by elected officials at the county level, something that was immediately ended when I came into that job.
owned their own property, which they then turned around and charged the child support program rent. Essentially, federal and state tax dollars through rent payments were going to allow for the acquisition of private real estate equity interest by elected officials at the county level, something that was immediately ended when I came into that job.
Governor Bevin lost his race for re-election in 2019, and because of some of the measures that were taken to bring accountability, transparency, and performance expectations to that child support program, I was terminated from my job on hour one of day one of the administration of newly elected Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear.
Governor Bevin lost his race for re-election in 2019, and because of some of the measures that were taken to bring accountability, transparency, and performance expectations to that child support program, I was terminated from my job on hour one of day one of the administration of newly elected Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear.
I was picked up by a gentleman who is my dear friend by the name of Daniel Cameron, who had been elected Attorney General in 2019. He asked that I run his Office of Medicaid Fraud and Abuse Control, a law enforcement office which investigates and prosecutes medical providers for being engaged in fraud against the state's Medicaid system. This coincided with the onset of COVID.
I was picked up by a gentleman who is my dear friend by the name of Daniel Cameron, who had been elected Attorney General in 2019. He asked that I run his Office of Medicaid Fraud and Abuse Control, a law enforcement office which investigates and prosecutes medical providers for being engaged in fraud against the state's Medicaid system. This coincided with the onset of COVID.
I brought in a deputy by the name of Matt Kleinert, who was a Medicaid policy expert. And over the course of two years, despite the shutdown of the state's court system, we doubled the number. of criminal indictments and convictions of medical providers on that system.
I brought in a deputy by the name of Matt Kleinert, who was a Medicaid policy expert. And over the course of two years, despite the shutdown of the state's court system, we doubled the number. of criminal indictments and convictions of medical providers on that system.
A significant portion of that caseload was comprised of providers of opioid maintenance treatments who were using their clinics, which were intended to help those who were struggling with opioid addiction, as glorified drug dealing operations which fomented the diversion of Suboxone in every little town and county in Kentucky.
A significant portion of that caseload was comprised of providers of opioid maintenance treatments who were using their clinics, which were intended to help those who were struggling with opioid addiction, as glorified drug dealing operations which fomented the diversion of Suboxone in every little town and county in Kentucky.
and it was an eye-opening experience to recognize the predators within this universe of operation that is supposed to be restorative and helpful to people in recovery. Because of the way in which I believe I had developed a reputation as a no-nonsense, get-it-done public servant, the Deputy Attorney General at the time, his name was Barry Dunn,
and it was an eye-opening experience to recognize the predators within this universe of operation that is supposed to be restorative and helpful to people in recovery. Because of the way in which I believe I had developed a reputation as a no-nonsense, get-it-done public servant, the Deputy Attorney General at the time, his name was Barry Dunn,
asked me if I would have any interest in running the state's opioid commission. The Kentucky legislature had set up a framework to administer what is now $1 billion in settlements from opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. While the people at home are wonderful and beautiful,
asked me if I would have any interest in running the state's opioid commission. The Kentucky legislature had set up a framework to administer what is now $1 billion in settlements from opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. While the people at home are wonderful and beautiful,
Many of the conditions that exist there exist because of how terribly Kentucky state government has functioned since the end of the Civil War. Kentucky in many categories is first where one would wish to be last and last where folks would wish to be first.
Many of the conditions that exist there exist because of how terribly Kentucky state government has functioned since the end of the Civil War. Kentucky in many categories is first where one would wish to be last and last where folks would wish to be first.
It has one of the highest rates of childhood poverty in the country, one of the highest rates of child abuse in the country, one of the highest rates of parental incarceration in the country, one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the country, all of the tender and material that is necessary to create the devastation associated with the opioid epidemic.
It has one of the highest rates of childhood poverty in the country, one of the highest rates of child abuse in the country, one of the highest rates of parental incarceration in the country, one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the country, all of the tender and material that is necessary to create the devastation associated with the opioid epidemic.
Kentucky was like a drought-stricken forest, and OxyContin was the lightning bolt that set it on fire in 1996. Like Louisiana, there has been a history of systemic political corruption which has impaired the ability to produce progress for our people. So when I was asked if I had an interest in doing that job, I said, well, this is a very treacherous opportunity.
Kentucky was like a drought-stricken forest, and OxyContin was the lightning bolt that set it on fire in 1996. Like Louisiana, there has been a history of systemic political corruption which has impaired the ability to produce progress for our people. So when I was asked if I had an interest in doing that job, I said, well, this is a very treacherous opportunity.
Because with this amount of money coming in, there's going to be a lot of buzzards gathering around the wagon who are ready to pick the bones clean. If y'all will let me set up this commission and run it in a way that is accessible, accountable, and transparent to the people of Kentucky, I would be privileged to have the opportunity to do it.
Because with this amount of money coming in, there's going to be a lot of buzzards gathering around the wagon who are ready to pick the bones clean. If y'all will let me set up this commission and run it in a way that is accessible, accountable, and transparent to the people of Kentucky, I would be privileged to have the opportunity to do it.
Mr. Dunn looked at me and said, we wouldn't have it any other way. I had to go through an interview process. And through that process, the question was asked, what do we need to do with that money? And I said, well, let's recognize that while $842 million is a tremendous sum of money to the average ear, it's going to be paid to this state over 15 years.
Mr. Dunn looked at me and said, we wouldn't have it any other way. I had to go through an interview process. And through that process, the question was asked, what do we need to do with that money? And I said, well, let's recognize that while $842 million is a tremendous sum of money to the average ear, it's going to be paid to this state over 15 years.
At its height, Purdue Pharma was making $100 million a month off the sales of OxyContin. This settlement represents roughly eight and a half months of OxyContin sales, but we're going to be getting it over 15 years.
At its height, Purdue Pharma was making $100 million a month off the sales of OxyContin. This settlement represents roughly eight and a half months of OxyContin sales, but we're going to be getting it over 15 years.
These are crumbs off the tables of gluttons, and we have got to make sure that this one-time non-recurring revenue stream is utilized for its maximum best impact to pull this state out of this travesty.
These are crumbs off the tables of gluttons, and we have got to make sure that this one-time non-recurring revenue stream is utilized for its maximum best impact to pull this state out of this travesty.
And I said, one thing that we have got to look for is an opportunity to develop a breakthrough therapeutic that can deliver materially better outcomes than what we are getting with our existing system. Our existing system is unacceptably mediocre, and it is necessary if we're going to change generational dynamics to improve upon what we have.
And I said, one thing that we have got to look for is an opportunity to develop a breakthrough therapeutic that can deliver materially better outcomes than what we are getting with our existing system. Our existing system is unacceptably mediocre, and it is necessary if we're going to change generational dynamics to improve upon what we have.
We've got to look for Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid addiction. And I said, I don't know what that is, but I'm going to get to looking. In 2018, I came into knowledge of the psilocybin mushroom.
We've got to look for Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid addiction. And I said, I don't know what that is, but I'm going to get to looking. In 2018, I came into knowledge of the psilocybin mushroom.
and the way in which it has profound impacts on treatment-resistant anxiety and depression, and in the case of me in particular with my family's history, alcoholism. And I followed developments around its research applications over the next several years.
and the way in which it has profound impacts on treatment-resistant anxiety and depression, and in the case of me in particular with my family's history, alcoholism. And I followed developments around its research applications over the next several years.
I came into contact with an author who goes by the pen name of Juliana Christina, who wrote beautifully about her own experiences with the psilocybin mushroom, which helped her overcome a lifetime of debility anchored in anxiety, depression, and a near fatal eating disorder. On July the 29th, 2022, I reached out to her and I said, hey. This is who I am. I've been given this job.
I came into contact with an author who goes by the pen name of Juliana Christina, who wrote beautifully about her own experiences with the psilocybin mushroom, which helped her overcome a lifetime of debility anchored in anxiety, depression, and a near fatal eating disorder. On July the 29th, 2022, I reached out to her and I said, hey. This is who I am. I've been given this job.
What can you tell me about the universe of psychedelics and whether there is anything that shows special application or impact for opioid dependency? She said, have you ever heard of Ibogaine? I said, I had not. She said, I'm going to put you in touch with a woman by the name of Juliana Mulligan. You tell her that I sent you and ask her to tell you her story.
What can you tell me about the universe of psychedelics and whether there is anything that shows special application or impact for opioid dependency? She said, have you ever heard of Ibogaine? I said, I had not. She said, I'm going to put you in touch with a woman by the name of Juliana Mulligan. You tell her that I sent you and ask her to tell you her story.
So I reached out to Juliana, told her who I was, and I said, tell me your story. Juliana proceeded to tell me about her life with addiction as a young American woman. She herself had been a heroin addict. She had been incarcerated. She had been homeless. And at one point in time, She moved to Columbia to teach English as a second language.
So I reached out to Juliana, told her who I was, and I said, tell me your story. Juliana proceeded to tell me about her life with addiction as a young American woman. She herself had been a heroin addict. She had been incarcerated. She had been homeless. And at one point in time, She moved to Columbia to teach English as a second language.
And while there, she discovered that Columbia has open pharmacies that are unregulated. She said that she was able to go into a pharmacy in Columbia and get as much of what she wanted whenever she wanted. And she did. And she said one morning that she woke up and looked in the mirror and she said, I knew that I was going to die. This was it. And I was desperate to give myself a chance to live.
And while there, she discovered that Columbia has open pharmacies that are unregulated. She said that she was able to go into a pharmacy in Columbia and get as much of what she wanted whenever she wanted. And she did. And she said one morning that she woke up and looked in the mirror and she said, I knew that I was going to die. This was it. And I was desperate to give myself a chance to live.
And she said I had done every form of treatment that was known. I did abstinence. I did Suboxone. And she said what they didn't tell me about Suboxone was if you try to take yourself off of it, Suboxone withdrawal made my heroin withdrawal look like a cakewalk. It was one of the most horrific experiences I ever had in my life.
And she said I had done every form of treatment that was known. I did abstinence. I did Suboxone. And she said what they didn't tell me about Suboxone was if you try to take yourself off of it, Suboxone withdrawal made my heroin withdrawal look like a cakewalk. It was one of the most horrific experiences I ever had in my life.
She said, I found about this Ibogaine called, this alkaloid called Ibogaine through online internet research. And she said, what I didn't know was that there are a number of operations that operate within the underground that don't necessarily adhere to the necessary safety practices to assure that this treatment can both be safe and effective. She said, I made my way to Guatemala.
She said, I found about this Ibogaine called, this alkaloid called Ibogaine through online internet research. And she said, what I didn't know was that there are a number of operations that operate within the underground that don't necessarily adhere to the necessary safety practices to assure that this treatment can both be safe and effective. She said, I made my way to Guatemala.
I was in the hands of a practitioner who didn't know what they were doing. And I was given double the dose that I should have received. She said, I went into cardiac arrest six times and nearly died. She said, I remember waking up in the intensive care unit of a Guatemalan hospital, and she said, I felt the best I ever felt in my entire life.
I was in the hands of a practitioner who didn't know what they were doing. And I was given double the dose that I should have received. She said, I went into cardiac arrest six times and nearly died. She said, I remember waking up in the intensive care unit of a Guatemalan hospital, and she said, I felt the best I ever felt in my entire life.
Juliana put me in touch with a lady by the name of Adriana Kircher in New York City, who at the time ran a boutique law firm called the Plant Medicine Law Firm. Adriana and I had a brief introductory conversation. I told her, I said, I want to learn as much as I possibly can about Ibogaine. I've spoken with Juliana, and this sounds too good to be true.
Juliana put me in touch with a lady by the name of Adriana Kircher in New York City, who at the time ran a boutique law firm called the Plant Medicine Law Firm. Adriana and I had a brief introductory conversation. I told her, I said, I want to learn as much as I possibly can about Ibogaine. I've spoken with Juliana, and this sounds too good to be true.
I want to know if there's any legitimacy about this, and if so, perhaps what the state of Kentucky can do to move the needle on its development. She said, I have a Rolodex of people that I think could be helpful to you. Who would you like to meet? I said, well, I don't know the names of folks around this.
I want to know if there's any legitimacy about this, and if so, perhaps what the state of Kentucky can do to move the needle on its development. She said, I have a Rolodex of people that I think could be helpful to you. Who would you like to meet? I said, well, I don't know the names of folks around this.
I can just give you generally the category of folks that I would love to be able to speak with. I need to know who the foremost academic and medical researchers of this compound are. I need to understand the existence of any activist organizations that would have particular cultural relevance to Kentucky, a profoundly politically conservative and religiously fundamentalist state.
I can just give you generally the category of folks that I would love to be able to speak with. I need to know who the foremost academic and medical researchers of this compound are. I need to understand the existence of any activist organizations that would have particular cultural relevance to Kentucky, a profoundly politically conservative and religiously fundamentalist state.
And I said, finally, I need to know whether there are any philanthropists who are willing to support or who have an interest in an opportunity that may exist around Ibogaine. She said, all right, let me get to work. She said, would you be willing to travel to New York City if I hosted a dinner party for you? And I said, yes, but on one condition.
And I said, finally, I need to know whether there are any philanthropists who are willing to support or who have an interest in an opportunity that may exist around Ibogaine. She said, all right, let me get to work. She said, would you be willing to travel to New York City if I hosted a dinner party for you? And I said, yes, but on one condition.
I said, I work in a deeply politically conservative office, and I'm pretty sure I've got some people around me who would be ready to cut my head off if they knew that I was even sniffing around the area of psychedelics for a potential treatment.
I said, I work in a deeply politically conservative office, and I'm pretty sure I've got some people around me who would be ready to cut my head off if they knew that I was even sniffing around the area of psychedelics for a potential treatment.
I said, if I come, this has to be done completely confidentially, and everybody must take a vow of silence until such time as I can decide whether or not this is something to present to the office. My wife and I, along with one of my close friends by the name of Scott Hornbuckle, who was also an advisor to the commission who I brought in, traveled to New York City on December 5th of 2022.
I said, if I come, this has to be done completely confidentially, and everybody must take a vow of silence until such time as I can decide whether or not this is something to present to the office. My wife and I, along with one of my close friends by the name of Scott Hornbuckle, who was also an advisor to the commission who I brought in, traveled to New York City on December 5th of 2022.
On December 9th, we had this dinner party. I met with these individuals who had gathered, the researchers, the philanthropists, veteran activists who had gathered around Ibogaine. as well as the application of other psychedelics for the treatment of war-related trauma.
On December 9th, we had this dinner party. I met with these individuals who had gathered, the researchers, the philanthropists, veteran activists who had gathered around Ibogaine. as well as the application of other psychedelics for the treatment of war-related trauma.
When I got home to Kentucky on December 11th, they opened up their networks and put me in touch with Amber and Marcus Capone, Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and all other folks who have gathered around Ibogaine to push for its accessibility within the U.S. medical system.
When I got home to Kentucky on December 11th, they opened up their networks and put me in touch with Amber and Marcus Capone, Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and all other folks who have gathered around Ibogaine to push for its accessibility within the U.S. medical system.
On January 31st of 23, I gave a presentation to Attorney General Cameron and I said, I believe we have found Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity. And I laid out what the concrete realities are of Ibogaine, and they are three. Number one.
On January 31st of 23, I gave a presentation to Attorney General Cameron and I said, I believe we have found Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity. And I laid out what the concrete realities are of Ibogaine, and they are three. Number one.
It resolves physiological substance dependence on an accelerated timeframe in a manner that frees an individual from the physical consequences of their dependencies. Number two, it has a profound psychological effect for the individual, whereby on the back end of treatment, having been physiologically restored, they have a sense of ownership over their self and their future,
It resolves physiological substance dependence on an accelerated timeframe in a manner that frees an individual from the physical consequences of their dependencies. Number two, it has a profound psychological effect for the individual, whereby on the back end of treatment, having been physiologically restored, they have a sense of ownership over their self and their future,
whereby they will live a life that is defined by choice rather than compulsion, and that is a fundamental quality that one must have if they are going to rebuild their life. Finally, and most significantly,
whereby they will live a life that is defined by choice rather than compulsion, and that is a fundamental quality that one must have if they are going to rebuild their life. Finally, and most significantly,
Many people, the overwhelming majority of folks who have an Ibogaine experience, come away with an affirmation that they are a spiritual being who is made in the image of an eternal creator whose essence is pure and unconditional love, and that that creator has conferred a special and unique purpose on their life to be achieved. When those three qualities were properly understood,
Many people, the overwhelming majority of folks who have an Ibogaine experience, come away with an affirmation that they are a spiritual being who is made in the image of an eternal creator whose essence is pure and unconditional love, and that that creator has conferred a special and unique purpose on their life to be achieved. When those three qualities were properly understood,
Attorney General Cameron blessed me to lead the commission on the exploration of setting aside $42 million, 5% of the state's settlement funds, to create a public-private partnership.
Attorney General Cameron blessed me to lead the commission on the exploration of setting aside $42 million, 5% of the state's settlement funds, to create a public-private partnership.
whereby a drug developer would match the state's investment on the front end by assuming all legal, logistical, and financial risks associated with securing the FDA's approval to pursue clinical research trials for the development of Ibogaine as a breakthrough therapeutic treatment for opioid use disorder, co-occurring substance use disorder, and any other mental health conditions for which it demonstrated efficacy.
whereby a drug developer would match the state's investment on the front end by assuming all legal, logistical, and financial risks associated with securing the FDA's approval to pursue clinical research trials for the development of Ibogaine as a breakthrough therapeutic treatment for opioid use disorder, co-occurring substance use disorder, and any other mental health conditions for which it demonstrated efficacy.
We had a high-profile public announcement on May 31, 2023, to announce this exploration. We conducted three very high-profile public hearings, each of which lasted about five hours, about all aspects of Ibogaine. These hearings are available online as a formal part of the public record for anyone to view. The first hearing involved the science of Ibogaine.
We had a high-profile public announcement on May 31, 2023, to announce this exploration. We conducted three very high-profile public hearings, each of which lasted about five hours, about all aspects of Ibogaine. These hearings are available online as a formal part of the public record for anyone to view. The first hearing involved the science of Ibogaine.
It included the testimony of Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and Dr. Deborah Mash, who has been a pioneer around the development of Ibogaine's application to opioid addiction for over 30 years now. We had a second public hearing, which involved the testimonials of individuals who had received, provided, or had sent loved ones for Ibogaine treatment.
It included the testimony of Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and Dr. Deborah Mash, who has been a pioneer around the development of Ibogaine's application to opioid addiction for over 30 years now. We had a second public hearing, which involved the testimonials of individuals who had received, provided, or had sent loved ones for Ibogaine treatment.
All of this was done in a very high profile and publicly because we wanted the people of Kentucky to understand all Aspects of this opportunity its profundity and the way it could which it could transform not just the lives of their families But the future of this state that second public hearing was one of the most moving public proceedings of which I have ever been a part and I don't know how anyone in
All of this was done in a very high profile and publicly because we wanted the people of Kentucky to understand all Aspects of this opportunity its profundity and the way it could which it could transform not just the lives of their families But the future of this state that second public hearing was one of the most moving public proceedings of which I have ever been a part and I don't know how anyone in
could listen to those testimonials which included one from Governor Perry and come away with any other conclusion but that Ibogaine must be developed as expeditiously and safely as possible for the sake of our brothers and sisters in this country. The third hearing which occurred at the request of the University of Kentucky which along with Andy Beshear fought this proposal every step of the way
could listen to those testimonials which included one from Governor Perry and come away with any other conclusion but that Ibogaine must be developed as expeditiously and safely as possible for the sake of our brothers and sisters in this country. The third hearing which occurred at the request of the University of Kentucky which along with Andy Beshear fought this proposal every step of the way
centered on the question of whether the fda would even consider approving clinical trials given what was repeatedly asserted as the unacceptable level of cardiac risk associated with its application
centered on the question of whether the fda would even consider approving clinical trials given what was repeatedly asserted as the unacceptable level of cardiac risk associated with its application
Within that hearing, we were able to procure the testimony of the scientist general who was in charge of controlled substances research at the FDA, a gentleman by the name of Dr. Javier Munez, along with his colleague, Dr. Walter Dunn, who sat on the FDA's advisory board of psychopharmacology. I believe he still sits on there.
Within that hearing, we were able to procure the testimony of the scientist general who was in charge of controlled substances research at the FDA, a gentleman by the name of Dr. Javier Munez, along with his colleague, Dr. Walter Dunn, who sat on the FDA's advisory board of psychopharmacology. I believe he still sits on there.
And those gentlemen, after having heard the testimony as well as questioning from the University of Kentucky's representative, which suggested that the FDA would never approve it, began their testimony by saying, It has been asserted that the cardiac risk associated with Ibogaine would disqualify it from consideration by the FDA for clinical trials. That is absolutely and completely incorrect.
And those gentlemen, after having heard the testimony as well as questioning from the University of Kentucky's representative, which suggested that the FDA would never approve it, began their testimony by saying, It has been asserted that the cardiac risk associated with Ibogaine would disqualify it from consideration by the FDA for clinical trials. That is absolutely and completely incorrect.
The question for Ibogaine is not one of the existence of risk. The question is how and if that risk can be mitigated. And assuming that the drug developer can demonstrate that cardiac risk can be safely mitigated and controlled, there is no reason that we would not approve that clinical trial. And with that, the chief objection was nuked.
The question for Ibogaine is not one of the existence of risk. The question is how and if that risk can be mitigated. And assuming that the drug developer can demonstrate that cardiac risk can be safely mitigated and controlled, there is no reason that we would not approve that clinical trial. And with that, the chief objection was nuked.
We had one last piece of due diligence to perform before my commission, which had a membership of nine, was ready to cast a deciding vote to secure the allocation of this $42 million for what was going to be a fabulous leadership opportunity for the people of Kentucky to pioneer an entirely new field of biomedical research.
We had one last piece of due diligence to perform before my commission, which had a membership of nine, was ready to cast a deciding vote to secure the allocation of this $42 million for what was going to be a fabulous leadership opportunity for the people of Kentucky to pioneer an entirely new field of biomedical research.
That will revolutionize how we treat not just addiction, but the problems that we have all sat here and talked about already. And that was the delivery of testimony from Dr. Nolan Williams following the publication of his research in the journal Nature Medicine about the neuroregenerative properties of abrogating the brain as applied to the veteran population with TBI and PTSD.
That will revolutionize how we treat not just addiction, but the problems that we have all sat here and talked about already. And that was the delivery of testimony from Dr. Nolan Williams following the publication of his research in the journal Nature Medicine about the neuroregenerative properties of abrogating the brain as applied to the veteran population with TBI and PTSD.
Unfortunately, there was an election in Kentucky in 2023. My boss, Attorney General Cameron, ran for governor and lost. Andy Beshear was reelected. and a new Kentucky Attorney General took office. And while this new guy had gone in public and had expressed his open-minded willingness to give Ibogaine consideration,
Unfortunately, there was an election in Kentucky in 2023. My boss, Attorney General Cameron, ran for governor and lost. Andy Beshear was reelected. and a new Kentucky Attorney General took office. And while this new guy had gone in public and had expressed his open-minded willingness to give Ibogaine consideration,
I had briefed him individually before we had our public announcement in anticipation that he would take office. After he won, I reached out and asked if I could have an opportunity to brief him on all of the developmental energy which had gathered around this project.
I had briefed him individually before we had our public announcement in anticipation that he would take office. After he won, I reached out and asked if I could have an opportunity to brief him on all of the developmental energy which had gathered around this project.
That energy included the commitment of two significant philanthropic organizations, one of which was the Jurvetson Foundation, led by Stephen and Genevieve Jurvetson, The other was the Stephen and Alexander Cohen Foundation, led by Stephen and Alexander Cohen, and then the third was the Melissa Etheridge Foundation, all of which made commitments to partner with Kentucky to make this come to pass.
That energy included the commitment of two significant philanthropic organizations, one of which was the Jurvetson Foundation, led by Stephen and Genevieve Jurvetson, The other was the Stephen and Alexander Cohen Foundation, led by Stephen and Alexander Cohen, and then the third was the Melissa Etheridge Foundation, all of which made commitments to partner with Kentucky to make this come to pass.
We had secured the commitment of two drug developers who were willing to establish corporate presence in Kentucky and to anchor all of their research and development activity around its advanced therapeutic applications within that state. On the cusp of success, I was brought into a meeting on December 15th with the newly elected Attorney General and members of his transition team.
We had secured the commitment of two drug developers who were willing to establish corporate presence in Kentucky and to anchor all of their research and development activity around its advanced therapeutic applications within that state. On the cusp of success, I was brought into a meeting on December 15th with the newly elected Attorney General and members of his transition team.
And what I thought was going to be an opportunity to explain and secure approval for the finalization of this project turned into an ambush meeting. in which it was demanded that I resigned for having been an unapologetic advocate for Ibogaine research, something that the new Attorney General found highly objectionable. I walked out of that meeting and was in shock and despair.
And what I thought was going to be an opportunity to explain and secure approval for the finalization of this project turned into an ambush meeting. in which it was demanded that I resigned for having been an unapologetic advocate for Ibogaine research, something that the new Attorney General found highly objectionable. I walked out of that meeting and was in shock and despair.
not over the loss of my job, I was always going to be able to find another job, but for the loss of the opportunity for the long suffering people at home who deserved to have an opportunity to transform their future with what Ibogaine has the potential to do for them individually and collectively. And what has been a tremendously providential blessing
not over the loss of my job, I was always going to be able to find another job, but for the loss of the opportunity for the long suffering people at home who deserved to have an opportunity to transform their future with what Ibogaine has the potential to do for them individually and collectively. And what has been a tremendously providential blessing
Everything that happened in Kentucky was followed by a gentleman by the name of Rex Elsass. Mr. Elsass is an individual who in his prior life has been a high level Republican campaign ad producer. His firm is one of the top campaign producing ad companies for Republican candidates across the country, in the country.
Everything that happened in Kentucky was followed by a gentleman by the name of Rex Elsass. Mr. Elsass is an individual who in his prior life has been a high level Republican campaign ad producer. His firm is one of the top campaign producing ad companies for Republican candidates across the country, in the country.
Rex has a foundation called the Reed Foundation, which is named in honor of his son, Reed, who struggled for a decade with opioid addiction beginning when he was a 16-year-old in high school. Reed encountered plant medicine. with an ayahuasca five years before he passed away.
Rex has a foundation called the Reed Foundation, which is named in honor of his son, Reed, who struggled for a decade with opioid addiction beginning when he was a 16-year-old in high school. Reed encountered plant medicine. with an ayahuasca five years before he passed away.
Rex became a believer in plant medicine because of the therapeutic response Reed experienced after that exposure to ayahuasca. Rex was introduced to me, ironically, by Melissa Etheridge in February of 23. He showed up at every Kentucky hearing, he showed up at our public announcement, and he said, whatever you need to help make this successful, I'm available to you anytime.
Rex became a believer in plant medicine because of the therapeutic response Reed experienced after that exposure to ayahuasca. Rex was introduced to me, ironically, by Melissa Etheridge in February of 23. He showed up at every Kentucky hearing, he showed up at our public announcement, and he said, whatever you need to help make this successful, I'm available to you anytime.
The Reed Foundation stands for rescuing everyone in distress because Reed, unfortunately and tragically in 2019, died of a fentanyl overdose. Rex became involved with the Kentucky movement because he believed had Reed had an opportunity to receive Ibogaine treatment, he would be alive today.
The Reed Foundation stands for rescuing everyone in distress because Reed, unfortunately and tragically in 2019, died of a fentanyl overdose. Rex became involved with the Kentucky movement because he believed had Reed had an opportunity to receive Ibogaine treatment, he would be alive today.
When I walked out of that meeting thinking that it was all over, I called Rex and I said, they've killed it. This is over. All that work and all that effort is vanished. He said, if I can procure opportunities for you,
When I walked out of that meeting thinking that it was all over, I called Rex and I said, they've killed it. This is over. All that work and all that effort is vanished. He said, if I can procure opportunities for you,
to speak to what ibogaine can do to other elected officials across the country with whom i have relationships would you be willing to work with my foundation so that we can attempt to preserve what has been done here and transplant it to a state that has leadership with the vision and courage to complete the job that you have begun
to speak to what ibogaine can do to other elected officials across the country with whom i have relationships would you be willing to work with my foundation so that we can attempt to preserve what has been done here and transplant it to a state that has leadership with the vision and courage to complete the job that you have begun
Joe, at this point, I had staked everything that I had become by way of reputation and by way of knowledge on this opportunity. I came, just as Governor Perry has, to believe that this was the opportunity of a lifetime to generate tremendous progress on behalf of everyone who needs all of the restorative power that Ibogaine can deliver.
Joe, at this point, I had staked everything that I had become by way of reputation and by way of knowledge on this opportunity. I came, just as Governor Perry has, to believe that this was the opportunity of a lifetime to generate tremendous progress on behalf of everyone who needs all of the restorative power that Ibogaine can deliver.
And I said, this is the mission of my life, and I will go anywhere, I will talk to anyone, and will do whatever is necessary to keep this alive.
And I said, this is the mission of my life, and I will go anywhere, I will talk to anyone, and will do whatever is necessary to keep this alive.
And thank the Lord, with the leadership of Governor Perry and his allyship, here we sit on the cusp of an opportunity for the state of Texas to finish the job that was begun in Kentucky, and I hope and pray with all my might that that is exactly what we see happen over the course of the next five months.
And thank the Lord, with the leadership of Governor Perry and his allyship, here we sit on the cusp of an opportunity for the state of Texas to finish the job that was begun in Kentucky, and I hope and pray with all my might that that is exactly what we see happen over the course of the next five months.
Let's assume a successful outcome within the Texas legislature where a $50 million appropriation out of a projected $20 billion surplus comes to pass and is signed by Governor Abbott. Once that occurs, the very first step would be to issue a notice of funding opportunity to solicit proposals from drug developers who have the capacity to develop Ibogaine as a medication for opioid use disorder.
Let's assume a successful outcome within the Texas legislature where a $50 million appropriation out of a projected $20 billion surplus comes to pass and is signed by Governor Abbott. Once that occurs, the very first step would be to issue a notice of funding opportunity to solicit proposals from drug developers who have the capacity to develop Ibogaine as a medication for opioid use disorder.
Within that notice of funding opportunity, a drug developer will be asked to provide information related to how they would design a clinical trial, how they would recruit clinical trial participants. how they would go about administering Ibogaine in such a way as to safely eliminate the cardiac risk so as to assure successful treatment outcomes without complication.
Within that notice of funding opportunity, a drug developer will be asked to provide information related to how they would design a clinical trial, how they would recruit clinical trial participants. how they would go about administering Ibogaine in such a way as to safely eliminate the cardiac risk so as to assure successful treatment outcomes without complication.
And as importantly, since we are talking about the use of the people's money, How the drug developer would propose to recognize the state of Texas' perpetual interest in any patentable intellectual property that is generated as a result of this project, people in your audience should know.
And as importantly, since we are talking about the use of the people's money, How the drug developer would propose to recognize the state of Texas' perpetual interest in any patentable intellectual property that is generated as a result of this project, people in your audience should know.
that buprenorphine, which is the generic name for brand-named suboxone, sublocate, and other derivatives, was created with a direct $62.5 million giveaway by the federal government to create the baseline compound. It was handed over to the pharmaceutical industry. Each company put its own twist on it, and then it proceeded to reap 100% of the return on the people's investment.
that buprenorphine, which is the generic name for brand-named suboxone, sublocate, and other derivatives, was created with a direct $62.5 million giveaway by the federal government to create the baseline compound. It was handed over to the pharmaceutical industry. Each company put its own twist on it, and then it proceeded to reap 100% of the return on the people's investment.
That cannot and will not happen around any project associated with Ibogaine that involves public money. There has to be return on investment to the state for the purposes of building out the treatment infrastructure that is needed to assure successful long-term outcomes.
That cannot and will not happen around any project associated with Ibogaine that involves public money. There has to be return on investment to the state for the purposes of building out the treatment infrastructure that is needed to assure successful long-term outcomes.
Bearing in mind, Ibogaine gives a person the very best possible beginning that they can receive through physiological restoration to pursue what will still be a very long-term and difficult recovery process. that requires the delivery of long-term integration and support services that are necessary to help someone become equipped to rebuild their lives.
Bearing in mind, Ibogaine gives a person the very best possible beginning that they can receive through physiological restoration to pursue what will still be a very long-term and difficult recovery process. that requires the delivery of long-term integration and support services that are necessary to help someone become equipped to rebuild their lives.
Once those proposals are solicited and reviewed, the drug developer that is best positioned to get this across the line who also demonstrates their financial capacity to match the state's investment will be selected. Once selected, the drug developer will assume all of the legal, financial and logistical risks associated with getting it all the way up to the FDA's approval mark.
Once those proposals are solicited and reviewed, the drug developer that is best positioned to get this across the line who also demonstrates their financial capacity to match the state's investment will be selected. Once selected, the drug developer will assume all of the legal, financial and logistical risks associated with getting it all the way up to the FDA's approval mark.
Once the FDA signs off on the conduct of clinical trials, The money of the people of Texas will go to pay for the occurrence of those clinical trials in the state of Texas at medical facilities which are equipped with the requisite level of expertise related to cardiac intervention and cardiac support as well as anything and everything related to recovery for an individual who is opioid dependent.
Once the FDA signs off on the conduct of clinical trials, The money of the people of Texas will go to pay for the occurrence of those clinical trials in the state of Texas at medical facilities which are equipped with the requisite level of expertise related to cardiac intervention and cardiac support as well as anything and everything related to recovery for an individual who is opioid dependent.
The beautiful aspect of Texas, as I have come to learn, is the immense amount of fabulous medical expertise that exists here. Whether we're talking about the Texas Medical Center that is in Houston, which is just a marvelous human accomplishment.
The beautiful aspect of Texas, as I have come to learn, is the immense amount of fabulous medical expertise that exists here. Whether we're talking about the Texas Medical Center that is in Houston, which is just a marvelous human accomplishment.
And I will add one other thing, and this truly is fabulous. Considering where things were one year and one day ago, I sat down and wrote my resignation letter over this. While Texas stands the opportunity to be the leader, right now there are high-level organizational efforts underway.
And I will add one other thing, and this truly is fabulous. Considering where things were one year and one day ago, I sat down and wrote my resignation letter over this. While Texas stands the opportunity to be the leader, right now there are high-level organizational efforts underway.
to join Texas in this endeavor within the states of Ohio, Washington State, Arizona, which includes the involvement of outgoing U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, who's ready to roll up her sleeves and help activists there and researchers on the ground, including Dr. Sue Sisley, who's been at this for decades, New Mexico, Missouri.
to join Texas in this endeavor within the states of Ohio, Washington State, Arizona, which includes the involvement of outgoing U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, who's ready to roll up her sleeves and help activists there and researchers on the ground, including Dr. Sue Sisley, who's been at this for decades, New Mexico, Missouri.
All of these are states in which there are individuals who are committed to helping Texas finish the job that was begun in Kentucky. And for my people at home, I'm going to use this opportunity to say that there is one incredibly brave state legislature who is the only legislature elected physician to serve in the Kentucky legislature by the name of Senator Donald Douglas.
All of these are states in which there are individuals who are committed to helping Texas finish the job that was begun in Kentucky. And for my people at home, I'm going to use this opportunity to say that there is one incredibly brave state legislature who is the only legislature elected physician to serve in the Kentucky legislature by the name of Senator Donald Douglas.
professional relationship. He was a vocal supporter and participant in the initiative itself. He appeared by video to give a testimonial about the immense potential around the development of Ibogaine. And he also was so wonderfully helpful as to procure an op-ed in Newsweek magazine in October of last year endorsing the initiative.
professional relationship. He was a vocal supporter and participant in the initiative itself. He appeared by video to give a testimonial about the immense potential around the development of Ibogaine. And he also was so wonderfully helpful as to procure an op-ed in Newsweek magazine in October of last year endorsing the initiative.
Senator Douglas recognizes, based on his medical training, what a profound opportunity this is. Dr. Douglas, along with some other concerned citizens within the state of Kentucky, aims to take up the gauntlet when the legislature reconvenes in January to see to it that Kentucky's opportunity to participate in this is salvaged.
Senator Douglas recognizes, based on his medical training, what a profound opportunity this is. Dr. Douglas, along with some other concerned citizens within the state of Kentucky, aims to take up the gauntlet when the legislature reconvenes in January to see to it that Kentucky's opportunity to participate in this is salvaged.
And I look forward to doing whatever I can to help get my people at home right alongside Texas to make this a reality.
And I look forward to doing whatever I can to help get my people at home right alongside Texas to make this a reality.
Amen. You have just hit for me what this is all about. We have sat here and talked about TBI and PTSD, the horrors and the cruelty of war that 20 years of conflict has put upon innocent young men and women of this country who have volunteered to go and lay their lives down for her who have had to come back and beg, beg. for access to what can alleviate their suffering.
Amen. You have just hit for me what this is all about. We have sat here and talked about TBI and PTSD, the horrors and the cruelty of war that 20 years of conflict has put upon innocent young men and women of this country who have volunteered to go and lay their lives down for her who have had to come back and beg, beg. for access to what can alleviate their suffering.
We've sat here and talked about the opioid epidemic, its monstrosities, the way in which it is the gravest engineered humanitarian catastrophe to play out in this country's history. All of these are symptoms of profound spiritual affliction which is destroying the core of what the United States has always been.
We've sat here and talked about the opioid epidemic, its monstrosities, the way in which it is the gravest engineered humanitarian catastrophe to play out in this country's history. All of these are symptoms of profound spiritual affliction which is destroying the core of what the United States has always been.
The greatest attribute that Ibogaine has is its ability to affirm the reality of our human divinity. We are not the result of a random accident of astrophysics and chemistry.
The greatest attribute that Ibogaine has is its ability to affirm the reality of our human divinity. We are not the result of a random accident of astrophysics and chemistry.
We are the images of an eternal Creator who put us here for a purpose, to be able to see and perceive the Creator's majesty as reflected most especially within us as individual human beings who have received the gift of love, of perception, of discernment, and the ability to connect to the majestic eternal love of that Creator. Ibogaine delivers it. I can attest to the fact that it delivers it.
We are the images of an eternal Creator who put us here for a purpose, to be able to see and perceive the Creator's majesty as reflected most especially within us as individual human beings who have received the gift of love, of perception, of discernment, and the ability to connect to the majestic eternal love of that Creator. Ibogaine delivers it. I can attest to the fact that it delivers it.
My wife and I traveled to Tijuana a year ago. She had been on Celexa for 21 years to manage symptoms of a profound mood disorder which manifested through psychotic mood swings that have affected her since the birth of her son. I have known her for 23 years. And when we decided, I'll back up to this.
My wife and I traveled to Tijuana a year ago. She had been on Celexa for 21 years to manage symptoms of a profound mood disorder which manifested through psychotic mood swings that have affected her since the birth of her son. I have known her for 23 years. And when we decided, I'll back up to this.
If I were going to be an advocate for this, I thought that it was necessary to take my own medicine. If I'm going to get out here and advocate for it, I need to be brave enough to man up and to receive it. And so the week after Thanksgiving of last year,
If I were going to be an advocate for this, I thought that it was necessary to take my own medicine. If I'm going to get out here and advocate for it, I need to be brave enough to man up and to receive it. And so the week after Thanksgiving of last year,
By deliberate choice and at the invitation of Jonathan Dickinson and Trevor Miller, I traveled down to Tijuana along with my wife to receive Ibogaine to understand what it would do. My wife decided that she wished to receive it as well.
By deliberate choice and at the invitation of Jonathan Dickinson and Trevor Miller, I traveled down to Tijuana along with my wife to receive Ibogaine to understand what it would do. My wife decided that she wished to receive it as well.
She is very much a left-brain rationalist and was not someone who came to the realm of psychedelics with any degree of enthusiasm, but she wanted to see if there was the potential that she could be freed of her necessity to take Celexa every day.
She is very much a left-brain rationalist and was not someone who came to the realm of psychedelics with any degree of enthusiasm, but she wanted to see if there was the potential that she could be freed of her necessity to take Celexa every day.
Before we went down, I was told that she would have to be completely Celexa free for five days because if the SSRI was in her system, it would defeat Ibogaine's therapeutic restoration. When they told me that, I was in despair because I said there is no way that I will ever be able to get her to Mexico after five days without Celexa.
Before we went down, I was told that she would have to be completely Celexa free for five days because if the SSRI was in her system, it would defeat Ibogaine's therapeutic restoration. When they told me that, I was in despair because I said there is no way that I will ever be able to get her to Mexico after five days without Celexa.
In fact, if we go one day without her taking it, I can't be in the house with her. It is unbearable, it is dangerous, and it cannot happen. We will not be able to make it. They said, we're going to give you a regimen of supplementation to give her that will keep her stable. She's going to get edgy on you, but you'll get her down here. Joe, we went down there.
In fact, if we go one day without her taking it, I can't be in the house with her. It is unbearable, it is dangerous, and it cannot happen. We will not be able to make it. They said, we're going to give you a regimen of supplementation to give her that will keep her stable. She's going to get edgy on you, but you'll get her down here. Joe, we went down there.
We received it on Tuesday evening, November the 28th. My wife took her last Celexa on November 23rd of 2023, and she has not had one since. Before we came here, we went to beyond. and we received Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT there as well, in order to understand how each operation effectuates the safe delivery of this medication.
We received it on Tuesday evening, November the 28th. My wife took her last Celexa on November 23rd of 2023, and she has not had one since. Before we came here, we went to beyond. and we received Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT there as well, in order to understand how each operation effectuates the safe delivery of this medication.
and what I can personally attest for me and for her, collectively and together, Ibogaine paired with 5-MeO-DMT has been the most profound spiritual experience either of us have ever encountered. I am 100% persuaded that these substances are divine medications that are engineered from on high
and what I can personally attest for me and for her, collectively and together, Ibogaine paired with 5-MeO-DMT has been the most profound spiritual experience either of us have ever encountered. I am 100% persuaded that these substances are divine medications that are engineered from on high
so that we can heal what we do to ourselves, what we do to each other, and be affirmed by the love of our Creator, which is eternal and almighty. Amen.
so that we can heal what we do to ourselves, what we do to each other, and be affirmed by the love of our Creator, which is eternal and almighty. Amen.
They're there for a purpose. There is no greater gift we can give to our brothers and sisters in this society than to affirm the love of their Creator for them. Amen. If that had not been affirmed for me as a child, I would not be sitting here. It is the single most important thing that we can do.
They're there for a purpose. There is no greater gift we can give to our brothers and sisters in this society than to affirm the love of their Creator for them. Amen. If that had not been affirmed for me as a child, I would not be sitting here. It is the single most important thing that we can do.
And it's therapeutic benefits upon the physiology of the human being is another affirmation of the realities that we're sitting here talking about.
And it's therapeutic benefits upon the physiology of the human being is another affirmation of the realities that we're sitting here talking about.
I agree. Anything else, gentlemen? One thing I'd like to add from a technical perspective, and then if it's all right, I'll finish out with some observations that I have come to through those years of service that we've discussed.
I agree. Anything else, gentlemen? One thing I'd like to add from a technical perspective, and then if it's all right, I'll finish out with some observations that I have come to through those years of service that we've discussed.
When it comes to how to do this, Governor Perry and I are able to recognize the blessing of a legion of people who've been working at this for decades in obscurity and at great risk. We will be able hopefully around this project to bring all those who have labored around Ibogaine for years now and to draw upon their expertise as to how best to deliver
When it comes to how to do this, Governor Perry and I are able to recognize the blessing of a legion of people who've been working at this for decades in obscurity and at great risk. We will be able hopefully around this project to bring all those who have labored around Ibogaine for years now and to draw upon their expertise as to how best to deliver
what I would describe as the platinum standard model for an Ibogaine-based treatment and recovery system that maximizes all of its therapeutic benefits, whether they be for substance use disorder, polysubstance use disorder, TBI, PTSD, or other degenerative conditions that have significant detrimental impact on the brain. And I'll finish my part of this discussion with this.
what I would describe as the platinum standard model for an Ibogaine-based treatment and recovery system that maximizes all of its therapeutic benefits, whether they be for substance use disorder, polysubstance use disorder, TBI, PTSD, or other degenerative conditions that have significant detrimental impact on the brain. And I'll finish my part of this discussion with this.
We have sat here and talked about specific reality and the way in which public policy has impacted it and what its potentials are to generate human progress. As you know, there are a variety of faith traditions around the world which have common themes within them. Those themes are often told within those faith traditions as parables.
We have sat here and talked about specific reality and the way in which public policy has impacted it and what its potentials are to generate human progress. As you know, there are a variety of faith traditions around the world which have common themes within them. Those themes are often told within those faith traditions as parables.
What your audience has listened to with us is a parable about contemporary American society and where we are. I think most folks would agree that we find ourselves in the midst of an existential struggle for this country's survival. We are living within the most beautifully dynamic multicultural society which has ever existed in human history.
What your audience has listened to with us is a parable about contemporary American society and where we are. I think most folks would agree that we find ourselves in the midst of an existential struggle for this country's survival. We are living within the most beautifully dynamic multicultural society which has ever existed in human history.
For all of our material wealth and technological prowess, we are also living in a brutally dehumanizing era that is hostile to individual identity. Citizens are viewed as fungible revenue units who are plugged into a set of actuarial variables designed to reduce their lives to reasonably predictable revenue streams.
For all of our material wealth and technological prowess, we are also living in a brutally dehumanizing era that is hostile to individual identity. Citizens are viewed as fungible revenue units who are plugged into a set of actuarial variables designed to reduce their lives to reasonably predictable revenue streams.
we find ourselves with massive government systems which enthrone themselves on the subjugation of powerless people. Those systems commodify problems that they are supposed to solve and they monetize sustained human misery. Government must be made to function honestly, accountably, and responsibly to the genuine needs of the American people.
we find ourselves with massive government systems which enthrone themselves on the subjugation of powerless people. Those systems commodify problems that they are supposed to solve and they monetize sustained human misery. Government must be made to function honestly, accountably, and responsibly to the genuine needs of the American people.
Because if it does not, our society will inevitably collapse beneath the enormity of its corrupt decrepitudes. This is going to require a shift in social consciousness that is rooted and our universal kinship as images of an eternal creator whose essence is almighty, unconditional love for all of us.
Because if it does not, our society will inevitably collapse beneath the enormity of its corrupt decrepitudes. This is going to require a shift in social consciousness that is rooted and our universal kinship as images of an eternal creator whose essence is almighty, unconditional love for all of us.
As your listeners hear this episode, I hope that they will hope and pray for everyone who has gathered around this cause that we will be successful. Because if we are, we will hasten the day when we can deliver good titans unto the meek, bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. Lord, hasten the day.
As your listeners hear this episode, I hope that they will hope and pray for everyone who has gathered around this cause that we will be successful. Because if we are, we will hasten the day when we can deliver good titans unto the meek, bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. Lord, hasten the day.
And thank you for the privilege of sitting with you this afternoon. Thank you. It was my privilege.
And thank you for the privilege of sitting with you this afternoon. Thank you. It was my privilege.
He has been a tremendous supporter, mentor, and I am privileged to call him.
He has been a tremendous supporter, mentor, and I am privileged to call him.
That's good. He's great. Jamie, find him. That's good. I'll wait till Jamie gets back. You like this, you old fuck? That's pretty good. There's one with him with the schmo. Yeah, he can fucking freestyle. Dude. Okay, who won this fight? Uncle Ive? I'm going to go with the beard guy. 100% Uncle Ive.
That's good. He's great. Jamie, find him. That's good. I'll wait till Jamie gets back. You like this, you old fuck? That's pretty good. There's one with him with the schmo. Yeah, he can fucking freestyle. Dude. Okay, who won this fight? Uncle Ive? I'm going to go with the beard guy. 100% Uncle Ive.
Great conditioning. Look at that. Son of a gun strikes 28 to 17. Wow. He's just more active. More active. So Strickland's down two rounds now.
Great conditioning. Look at that. Son of a gun strikes 28 to 17. Wow. He's just more active. More active. So Strickland's down two rounds now.
It's just not his style.
It's just not his style.
See, I would give DDP the advantage over Hamza right now. That's a bet on it.
See, I would give DDP the advantage over Hamza right now. That's a bet on it.
He didn't do that to Kamaru Usman. He didn't do it to Gilbert Burns. We go on the third, fourth, and fifth.
He didn't do that to Kamaru Usman. He didn't do it to Gilbert Burns. We go on the third, fourth, and fifth.
But again, he gassed out against Usman. That was at 85.
But again, he gassed out against Usman. That was at 85.
Man, what are you doing? Good 85. You're flipping around.
Man, what are you doing? Good 85. You're flipping around.
Got a big head.
Got a big head.
If someone goes, how's Brian Callen? Nah. I listen.
If someone goes, how's Brian Callen? Nah. I listen.
Now Mikey signed with the UFC, right?
Now Mikey signed with the UFC, right?
Not for fighting.
Not for fighting.
You know who seems to be doing good is Frank Trigg. You see him as a ref out there? Yeah, that's what you want looking nice and fat.
You know who seems to be doing good is Frank Trigg. You see him as a ref out there? Yeah, that's what you want looking nice and fat.
Yeah, it's probably the beginning. But that's like a tribal thing, right? That's like a New Zealand tattoo.
Yeah, it's probably the beginning. But that's like a tribal thing, right? That's like a New Zealand tattoo.
They're also both older. I think Tatiana's 31, and then the homegirl, Whaley, is what, 34?
They're also both older. I think Tatiana's 31, and then the homegirl, Whaley, is what, 34?
I agree. I agree. Facts.
I agree. I agree. Facts.
I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm like, you gay? Wait, does she have a fake ass or no?
I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm like, you gay? Wait, does she have a fake ass or no?
I went like this. Yes. What does he hunt? And then my favorite goes, I bow hunt.
I went like this. Yes. What does he hunt? And then my favorite goes, I bow hunt.
Because I saw Joe go, I saw Joe go, do you?
Because I saw Joe go, I saw Joe go, do you?
Yeah, because you shoot bows and arrows.
Yeah, because you shoot bows and arrows.
That's like saying I play laser tag.
That's like saying I play laser tag.
Lighter weight class female, like older, they turn into fucking gremlins. How about fucking Pantoja?
Lighter weight class female, like older, they turn into fucking gremlins. How about fucking Pantoja?
If you're going to talk bows with Joe or pool or even cars, you better come correct.
If you're going to talk bows with Joe or pool or even cars, you better come correct.
But the narrative on that too, like the media is like, you know, he's a UFC fighter and he's driving for Uber Eats. It's like he also fought once in three years. Like that's on you, Doug.
But the narrative on that too, like the media is like, you know, he's a UFC fighter and he's driving for Uber Eats. It's like he also fought once in three years. Like that's on you, Doug.
It is hard to explain. It's very complicated. What's it on?
It is hard to explain. It's very complicated. What's it on?
I can't get into it.
I can't get into it.
Like a bad kid. What? What did I do? Look at Izzy right there. Joe, I thought you were going to say he went out and got knocked out or something.
Like a bad kid. What? What did I do? Look at Izzy right there. Joe, I thought you were going to say he went out and got knocked out or something.
But he wasn't controversial.
But he wasn't controversial.
Mighty Mouse was like the nicest guy ever. Bro, that Ray Borg fight? Dude, I was about to say that.
Mighty Mouse was like the nicest guy ever. Bro, that Ray Borg fight? Dude, I was about to say that.
They're both from the Caucus Mountains. They are. Yeah, but one guy trains in Jersey. What are we doing here? And also, Murab. He's living in Vegas now.
They're both from the Caucus Mountains. They are. Yeah, but one guy trains in Jersey. What are we doing here? And also, Murab. He's living in Vegas now.
Yeah, anaconda.
Yeah, anaconda.
All right. All right. The kid's aware. He's aware.
All right. All right. The kid's aware. He's aware.
Rape joke. Let's go. Do they still call it the rape joke?
Rape joke. Let's go. Do they still call it the rape joke?
So if we're not calling it the rape truck, what should we refer to it as? I don't know. What did they tell you to call it, Joe?
So if we're not calling it the rape truck, what should we refer to it as? I don't know. What did they tell you to call it, Joe?
But they also shouldn't be ringside. Sure they should.
But they also shouldn't be ringside. Sure they should.
Yeah, but they can get swayed by the crowd. No. They should be in a disclosed area.
Yeah, but they can get swayed by the crowd. No. They should be in a disclosed area.
That's rare. Because a lot of times when it's so atrocious, dude, you're talking about that dude gets half his fucking pay, you idiots. I know.
That's rare. Because a lot of times when it's so atrocious, dude, you're talking about that dude gets half his fucking pay, you idiots. I know.
And did they go to any of your fights? No. I was going to say, they think the mom's the fighter. Little do they know the dad. No, it's funny.
And did they go to any of your fights? No. I was going to say, they think the mom's the fighter. Little do they know the dad. No, it's funny.
Did you get kicked in the thigh, though? Not a ton, right?
Did you get kicked in the thigh, though? Not a ton, right?
I can't believe this guy's still even in the fight, though. It's a good fight.
I can't believe this guy's still even in the fight, though. It's a good fight.
How many fucking 30 takedowns? Shot 30 takedowns? Animal. You do 30 takedowns in this fucking studio, you're a fucking dog. It's one of my favorite moments ever in the corner.
How many fucking 30 takedowns? Shot 30 takedowns? Animal. You do 30 takedowns in this fucking studio, you're a fucking dog. It's one of my favorite moments ever in the corner.
Everything.
Everything.
But he's 7-0, undefeated prospect.
But he's 7-0, undefeated prospect.
You know what I love about it? Longo picked Wyman second. Wyman goes, what the fuck? Who did he pick first?
You know what I love about it? Longo picked Wyman second. Wyman goes, what the fuck? Who did he pick first?
They're on the same team, bud. Oh, my goodness. The Miami roster. I don't know how they get this fucking cash.
They're on the same team, bud. Oh, my goodness. The Miami roster. I don't know how they get this fucking cash.
It reminds me of Kane. Remember Kane had that weird cardio? Oh, yeah.
It reminds me of Kane. Remember Kane had that weird cardio? Oh, yeah.
They said he took two months off in his heyday.
They said he took two months off in his heyday.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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James Gunn. Did they try canceling James Gunn for being mean on set?
James Gunn. Did they try canceling James Gunn for being mean on set?
Do you think the studios tell Mark Ruffalo, like, shut the fuck up, dude.
Do you think the studios tell Mark Ruffalo, like, shut the fuck up, dude.
No, he wants to go up to 205 and fight Yuri.
No, he wants to go up to 205 and fight Yuri.
You don't want to fight the big boys. Yuri's a thin 205-er.
You don't want to fight the big boys. Yuri's a thin 205-er.
See, I feel like MVP doesn't have that.
See, I feel like MVP doesn't have that.
They lost a wrestler.
They lost a wrestler.
It's like being CFL world champion.
It's like being CFL world champion.
There's so many question marks that we don't know how good John is.
There's so many question marks that we don't know how good John is.
So what does that mean?
So what does that mean?
He's got to be able to.
He's got to be able to.
Like the bulldog guillotine is like, hey, dude. At this level?
Like the bulldog guillotine is like, hey, dude. At this level?
A lot of big guys don't have a guard. He's been doing jiu-jitsu in his diapers, man. You're talking about, there's pictures of him at four years old.
A lot of big guys don't have a guard. He's been doing jiu-jitsu in his diapers, man. You're talking about, there's pictures of him at four years old.
I agree, but as athletic as he is and growing up in that culture, the guard's not going to be shit.
I agree, but as athletic as he is and growing up in that culture, the guard's not going to be shit.
Look at her.
Look at her.
Whaley probably has a little advantage on the feet, but... A lot more championship experience.
Whaley probably has a little advantage on the feet, but... A lot more championship experience.
I almost dropped. Oh, my goodness. I almost called you a maggot. Oh, my goodness.
I almost dropped. Oh, my goodness. I almost called you a maggot. Oh, my goodness.
In that aisle of wrestling, she took it down in 40 seconds.
In that aisle of wrestling, she took it down in 40 seconds.
I don't think she's going to need to. That takedown's too easy. She's going to finish her.
I don't think she's going to need to. That takedown's too easy. She's going to finish her.
Doesn't have an incline machine like Brandon Callum.
Doesn't have an incline machine like Brandon Callum.
Her hands are closed. She didn't take it down again, but she'll step over. He's got to get it with the control.
Her hands are closed. She didn't take it down again, but she'll step over. He's got to get it with the control.
I was on the same card. I fought Gonzaga. Yeah, that was the fight he fought Lesnar. And when we were doing the fucking pre-shoot stuff, he took his shirt off and I'm like waiting to go.
I was on the same card. I fought Gonzaga. Yeah, that was the fight he fought Lesnar. And when we were doing the fucking pre-shoot stuff, he took his shirt off and I'm like waiting to go.
No, we have.
No, we have.
And he goes, dude, just shut the fuck up.
And he goes, dude, just shut the fuck up.
She does the same takedown over and over.
She does the same takedown over and over.
Guys, guys, guys, I'm a fan of her. I would beat the shit out of her. Yeah, but you're 280 pounds.
Guys, guys, guys, I'm a fan of her. I would beat the shit out of her. Yeah, but you're 280 pounds.
Because he kind of does a character, you know, and he's doing his thing. But Theo's so fucking funny, he breaks like three times. He just can't. He just can't.
Because he kind of does a character, you know, and he's doing his thing. But Theo's so fucking funny, he breaks like three times. He just can't. He just can't.
Because Theo's talking about black ducks. He goes, you need to get you some black ducks. Dude, it's so funny.
Because Theo's talking about black ducks. He goes, you need to get you some black ducks. Dude, it's so funny.
He's the best. He broke Kat like four times.
He's the best. He broke Kat like four times.
He's fucking amazing.
He's fucking amazing.
Contractor's Showdown?
Contractor's Showdown?
It's like 35 hours. It's smart. You guys should do it. That's what athletes do.
It's like 35 hours. It's smart. You guys should do it. That's what athletes do.
That's fucking great. How do you have time to do this, man? With all your jujitsu.
That's fucking great. How do you have time to do this, man? With all your jujitsu.
You make the time.
You make the time.
Well, there's a kid who does the simulation. They made a movie out of it. He played Gran Turismo. Then he actually raced for Nismo. Yeah. That's funny. And came in third.
Well, there's a kid who does the simulation. They made a movie out of it. He played Gran Turismo. Then he actually raced for Nismo. Yeah. That's funny. And came in third.
Yeah, you're going to fall. He walks weird, too.
Yeah, you're going to fall. He walks weird, too.
I think DDP is.
I think DDP is.
Jake Matthews is always exciting.
Jake Matthews is always exciting.
But he's a little reckless, so he'll win like three and then lose one.
But he's a little reckless, so he'll win like three and then lose one.
Greatest defensive fighter we've seen. Just one left hook. Starched him. Starched him.
Greatest defensive fighter we've seen. Just one left hook. Starched him. Starched him.
Oh, his legacy is— I think with Alex, there's a difference between MMA striking, like the elite strikers, and then actual elite strikers.
Oh, his legacy is— I think with Alex, there's a difference between MMA striking, like the elite strikers, and then actual elite strikers.
Great conditioning. Look at that. Son of a gun strikes 28 to 17. Wow. He's just more active. More active. So Strickland's down two rounds now.
It's just not his style.
See, I would give DDP the advantage over Hamza right now. That's a bet on it.
He didn't do that to Kamaru Usman. He didn't do it to Gilbert Burns. We go on the third, fourth, and fifth.
But again, he gassed out against Usman. That was at 85.
Man, what are you doing? Good 85. You're flipping around.
Got a big head.
If someone goes, how's Brian Callen? Nah. I listen.
Now Mikey signed with the UFC, right?
Not for fighting.
You know who seems to be doing good is Frank Trigg. You see him as a ref out there? Yeah, that's what you want looking nice and fat.
Yeah, it's probably the beginning. But that's like a tribal thing, right? That's like a New Zealand tattoo.
They're also both older. I think Tatiana's 31, and then the homegirl, Whaley, is what, 34?
I agree. I agree. Facts.
I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm like, you gay? Wait, does she have a fake ass or no?
I went like this. Yes. What does he hunt? And then my favorite goes, I bow hunt.
Because I saw Joe go, I saw Joe go, do you?
Yeah, because you shoot bows and arrows.
That's like saying I play laser tag.
Lighter weight class female, like older, they turn into fucking gremlins. How about fucking Pantoja?
If you're going to talk bows with Joe or pool or even cars, you better come correct.
But the narrative on that too, like the media is like, you know, he's a UFC fighter and he's driving for Uber Eats. It's like he also fought once in three years. Like that's on you, Doug.
It is hard to explain. It's very complicated. What's it on?
I can't get into it.
Like a bad kid. What? What did I do? Look at Izzy right there. Joe, I thought you were going to say he went out and got knocked out or something.
But he wasn't controversial.
Mighty Mouse was like the nicest guy ever. Bro, that Ray Borg fight? Dude, I was about to say that.
They're both from the Caucus Mountains. They are. Yeah, but one guy trains in Jersey. What are we doing here? And also, Murab. He's living in Vegas now.
Yeah, anaconda.
All right. All right. The kid's aware. He's aware.
Rape joke. Let's go. Do they still call it the rape joke?
So if we're not calling it the rape truck, what should we refer to it as? I don't know. What did they tell you to call it, Joe?
But they also shouldn't be ringside. Sure they should.
Yeah, but they can get swayed by the crowd. No. They should be in a disclosed area.
That's rare. Because a lot of times when it's so atrocious, dude, you're talking about that dude gets half his fucking pay, you idiots. I know.
And did they go to any of your fights? No. I was going to say, they think the mom's the fighter. Little do they know the dad. No, it's funny.
Did you get kicked in the thigh, though? Not a ton, right?
I can't believe this guy's still even in the fight, though. It's a good fight.
How many fucking 30 takedowns? Shot 30 takedowns? Animal. You do 30 takedowns in this fucking studio, you're a fucking dog. It's one of my favorite moments ever in the corner.
Everything.
But he's 7-0, undefeated prospect.
You know what I love about it? Longo picked Wyman second. Wyman goes, what the fuck? Who did he pick first?
They're on the same team, bud. Oh, my goodness. The Miami roster. I don't know how they get this fucking cash.
It reminds me of Kane. Remember Kane had that weird cardio? Oh, yeah.
They said he took two months off in his heyday.
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James Gunn. Did they try canceling James Gunn for being mean on set?
Do you think the studios tell Mark Ruffalo, like, shut the fuck up, dude.
No, he wants to go up to 205 and fight Yuri.
You don't want to fight the big boys. Yuri's a thin 205-er.
See, I feel like MVP doesn't have that.
They lost a wrestler.
It's like being CFL world champion.
There's so many question marks that we don't know how good John is.
So what does that mean?
He's got to be able to.
Like the bulldog guillotine is like, hey, dude. At this level?
A lot of big guys don't have a guard. He's been doing jiu-jitsu in his diapers, man. You're talking about, there's pictures of him at four years old.
I agree, but as athletic as he is and growing up in that culture, the guard's not going to be shit.
Look at her.
Whaley probably has a little advantage on the feet, but... A lot more championship experience.
I almost dropped. Oh, my goodness. I almost called you a maggot. Oh, my goodness.
In that aisle of wrestling, she took it down in 40 seconds.
I don't think she's going to need to. That takedown's too easy. She's going to finish her.
Doesn't have an incline machine like Brandon Callum.
Her hands are closed. She didn't take it down again, but she'll step over. He's got to get it with the control.
I was on the same card. I fought Gonzaga. Yeah, that was the fight he fought Lesnar. And when we were doing the fucking pre-shoot stuff, he took his shirt off and I'm like waiting to go.
No, we have.
And he goes, dude, just shut the fuck up.
She does the same takedown over and over.
Guys, guys, guys, I'm a fan of her. I would beat the shit out of her. Yeah, but you're 280 pounds.
Because he kind of does a character, you know, and he's doing his thing. But Theo's so fucking funny, he breaks like three times. He just can't. He just can't.
Because Theo's talking about black ducks. He goes, you need to get you some black ducks. Dude, it's so funny.
He's the best. He broke Kat like four times.
He's fucking amazing.
Contractor's Showdown?
It's like 35 hours. It's smart. You guys should do it. That's what athletes do.
That's fucking great. How do you have time to do this, man? With all your jujitsu.
You make the time.
Well, there's a kid who does the simulation. They made a movie out of it. He played Gran Turismo. Then he actually raced for Nismo. Yeah. That's funny. And came in third.
Yeah, you're going to fall. He walks weird, too.
I think DDP is.
Jake Matthews is always exciting.
But he's a little reckless, so he'll win like three and then lose one.
Greatest defensive fighter we've seen. Just one left hook. Starched him. Starched him.
Oh, his legacy is— I think with Alex, there's a difference between MMA striking, like the elite strikers, and then actual elite strikers.
I just don't want to be played.
You know what I think meditation does? I think the point is, and I don't meditate a lot, is to get out of the way. To get out of the way.
I heard a sports psychologist say that. He teaches baseball players. He would teach them.
he would do this mantra which was one two get out of the way so when you're trying to hit a ball because it's really precise and you can't be overthinking you've got to just be totally reactive right your your your eye and your hands have to be married and motherfuckers are throwing 100 mile an hour balls and shit like yeah and um you ever you ever done that you ever stood in at a plate and had guys throw 100 miles an hour i have
It's fucking terrifying. The idea of hitting that thing. Dude, it's terrifying. Yeah. But I wanted to try it and I wanted to see what it was like. And when your job depends on it, when everything rides on it, you better get out of your own way. And guys get the yips. That's why guys will go on hitting streaks and then they'll go on long dry spells because they get in their own way.
You know what I mean, though? I don't want to be played. I don't know what's true anymore.
But I think part of like all of that meditation, Jamie, pull up the fucking Indian army. Did you see this? They were hiking in the Himalayas and they came across a Bodhisattva or a monk who was meditating in the snow and it was 40 below.
Yes, sir. You might want to bring this up so it can just... You know what Customano used to tell Mike Tyson?
There's a guy meditating covered in snow. And it's fucking unbelievable. Whoa. That might be true, Bubba.
Yeah, they find these guys out there.
But there's a guy covered in snow, and he's not moving. And the Indian Army came across him.
Well, you know those dudes in—you ever read Shantaram? You know those guys who take a vow to never sit down? They stand up. Oh, God.
You see? I told you. I'm already like, I don't know.
Their knees must be destroyed. They're the standing yogis. How bad are their knees? No, no. They get varicose veins. Their bodies, their feet start to melt. What? But they smoke copious amounts of weed. I mean, they're always high. Constantly.
But they take a vow never to ever, ever sit. They are standing their whole life. So they sleep standing up in slings.
You can look that up. Just to fuck you up some more.
Yeah, they're like the famous standing yogis or something they're called. Where from, maybe?
India, I think in Calcutta.
At the end of the day, they're trying to get laid.
I think a lot of people are dealing with trauma. I think a lot of times you're going to either kill yourself or do something crazy, right? Sometimes.
You know? I don't think you become a monk or a shaman. Joseph Campbell did a whole thing. Every shaman he studied – he was an expert at comparing Western and Eastern traditions. And he said every shaman – ever had gone through some kind of a mental breakdown, usually in their teens. And they came out of it because they had a society, a village that helped them through it.
That sort of like understood that it was a schizophrenic break, but they were going through something and there was something on the other side of that. So they wouldn't medicate them.
It's not a good... What did you have before?
I saw that with my own eyes in 1984 in China. So this is how this guy stands.
Donations. No, they curved one leg. Left his arm in the air, too.
Forever. He keeps his arm up. Since 1973.
Yeah, I gave you two arms.
That's not the point, man.
What does he do? What is that forever? So that's black power.
If you extend your fingers, it's racist.
White power is just... Yeah, that's not... And Hitler did this.
The New York Post is very conservative.
That Justin Baldoni thing?
When you see what the New York Times did to Baldoni, where they took every one of those things out of context, and Baldoni was like, really? How about I see you for $250 million? And he's got fucking 90 pages of receipts. It's going to be very interesting.
Yeah, I don't understand it.
Yeah, that's what I like about the marketplace. The marketplace will find people that you can rely on.
I feel like YouTube and now Facebook, they're all coming around.
But I got to tell you, I do think this is how there's a sea change here. You got to have people with opposing points of view that are pro-business, et cetera. You have just all progressives in Sacramento and if you've got on the city council. But you know what? Until Angelenos wake up and start voting for intelligent people- Who are not, forget right or left.
What is that? I don't understand that.
Tomorrow night. Tonight I'm doing two shows just to warm up. Theo Vaughn's stopping by, which I'm excited about.
Sold out already, all shows. Of course. Which is exciting. Of course.
How about practical people who understand infrastructure?
Because the roads, I lived there, man. The roads, the fucking power line, it's all from 1950s, okay? So let's wake the fuck up.
Yes, I forgot about those from space. I wonder who's controlling those.
Yes, the invisible circle of Jews. Every conspiracy theory always goes right back to that. I'm just saying.
They blame the Black Plague on them. They're like, you guys cover your wells. My thing about that is whenever people go bad on the Jews, I'm always like, yeah. Do you like Hollywood? They invented that.
They're incredible. Nobody wants to.
Let's just talk about art and everything else. Einstein, Freud.
You think? That's sitcom money.
No, that's a high wage, sir. 750 grand for a city employer who's- For someone just like, fill that one. How the- How are the aquifers today? Get the water in that one. You know what? We got to protect the Delta smelt, whatever the fuck that is.
It goes on and on. How many comics?
My wife, I smoked one of these and I didn't brush my teeth. I woke up the next morning and my wife said, your breath is four dimensional.
I might be doing that, too, if my survival depended on it.
Let's set them up. Let's set them up. Have we ever, has there been any, what is with the list? Here's my theory on the Jeffrey Epstein thing. See what you think.
I think that the people are so powerful that I know in certain cases the lawyers go to the lawyers of these powerful people. And they go, how you doing? Now. Now. We got some evidence that your client, who's a family man and everything else, was banging girls on Jeffrey's Island.
Sure. Hey, dude. Hold on. What kind of podcast is this?
As I put this shit cigar in my mouth.
Yeah, it's great. But I think what happened was there was a lot of money and every one of those fucking people got paid off. I think it just went away because there's money. They came to these really rich people and they were like, What's your privacy worth? What's your reputation worth? How about $10 million?
He was very good at laundering money, I guess.
Right. He was like, this is a construct.
I would tell you his theory on what he thinks this whole thing is, this whole, you know, it's a simulation or whatever. Because, you know, so Newton, there's Newtonian physics, right, which is this matter here. And then there's quantum physics, study of the electron that Einstein was the pioneer of and blah, blah, blah.
So Einstein was working on what's called a theory of everything, which was the bridge. Because a lot of times the rules in this ether, in Newtonian, in the world that we live in, are different when it comes to gravity and light than they are on a quantum level. So what is the bridge? How do we bring them together? How do we reconcile both realities? Right. So that's the theory of everything.
So Eric is obsessed with that and kind of works on that.
Yeah, so his idea is that maybe the singularity is already here, and maybe we're already machines. So watch this. So we're already machines replicating better machines, better versions of ourselves. And it's kind of an interesting thing because it kind of dovetails with Buddhism, right? So watch this. I'm going to do an experiment on you that a Buddhist Rinpoche will ask somebody.
Oh, should I get prepared? Get in the lotus position. There it is. Oh. There it is. Dude, good breathing. I'm ready. Good breathing.
Here's my whole philosophy. You guys know, you know that we have a Tinder box. You can say there are a lot of people that live there. The fires are always a potential. If that's the case, then please make sure the fire hydrants... We've got to be able to figure it out. California came up with AI. Silicon Valley was pretty innovative people.
It doesn't work for me.
My buddy did that shit. He did the toad thing.
He called me up. He goes, everything's different now. I'm like, all right, calm down.
Yeah, you hear those guys a lot. That's kind of why I'm... Like Zen masters will say, I have nothing to teach you because once you, the part of you. So the idea would be you can't improve yourself. What? Because the part of you that wants to improve yourself is the part that needs improving.
So until you get out of, until you get out of your own way and you realize that you, this, this construct called yourself is an imagined construct. You've invented this. So like Sam Harrison, he studies the Vedanta, right? So in his book, Spirituality Without Religion, he does this experiment, which the Buddhists will have you do. They'll say, so you're watching me right now. I'm talking.
Now, there's this guy named Joe Rogan, okay? And we know Joe Rogan's got this. But for a second, try to locate where you really are. In other words, where are you actually listening to me from? Where are you? Where is the seat of your attention? Are you behind your face? Are you here? And if you try to do that, it's kind of impossible to locate where...
I turned to the other member. He's not ready yet. He's not ready. We have to break him down further.
Because the idea would be you can observe your brain, so you can observe your thoughts. You can observe your body, and you can observe your emotions. You can actually step outside and watch that stuff. And they get really good at that. They get really good at realizing that you're none of those things. You might be the observer, whoever that is or whatever that is. And that's kind of where they...
It's kind of an interesting exercise. That's why you see these dudes, that guy, that monk who set himself on fire, right, in 1963. Oh, the Vietnam photo? Now, David Halberstam from the New York Times said he didn't make a sound. They watched him, and he literally, they heard the air leave his lungs, and he just fell over.
Let's figure out a way to keep the fucking... Very different people.
Well, she was also probably asleep or something.
Yeah, but he also didn't move.
So he left his body. He was watching himself. That would be the idea behind- That's what they would say.
Yeah. Well, have you seen those videos? How about when the Indian Army went up? This is recent. That is such a fucking crazy photo.
To protest the way the president of South Vietnam at the time, who was a staunch Roman Catholic, was treating Buddhists. And he said, please have some compassion and lit himself on fire.
What a bad motherfucker.
Because you're attached to a sensation.
If you burn me with this cigar, I'd be like, fuck it! I can't do that.
Well, get some people down in government who are innovative like that. What the fuck are we doing? I don't want to do that job. Do you know the city council of Los Angeles? Four of the members of the city council are far left social Democrats. How about that? There's zero pushback on ideas. It's just all ideology.
Yeah, when we were younger, both you and I, we'd start shouting our opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about winning.
I feel like I did a little bit, too. Yeah.
That's what my aunt and uncle said. They go, we just can't believe you're not in jail or fucking on drugs.
My parents were awesome, though.
Fidelity to authority, too.
And also, the left has also become very good at destruction in a lot of ways. I'm not saying the right doesn't have its problems, but the left has become... Like, you and I were talking about this. Like, if you disagree with the left, they will come after everything. Everything. The right kind of goes, you're an idiot, and they'll make fun of you and do a meme about you. Yeah.
But the left, you know, and that's... That's what I call the make or break machine. You know, if you look at, um, and this is one of the things I talk about with my, my specialists that just, you, you, you take Caitlyn Jenner who came out, uh, Bruce Jenner has an operation for eight, eight hours comes as, as, as Caitlyn Jenner. A minute later, it was an eight hour.
The first one was about eight hours on the face. Did a great job by the way. By the way, how about this? Can I just say this? Like, don't say you'd fuck her. No, no, no. Take it easy. But I'm just saying. Don't say it. I'm just saying. You're thinking of saying it. How about a little something for the surgeon? He should have won artist of the year. Bruce Jenner was a 65-year-old man.
Looked like a 45-year-old woman. Came out of it. But a minute later, won woman of the year. All right, dude. Listen, we all have our taste, okay? I'm sorry.
I'm saying with makeup on Glamour magazine, look very good.
That's why I don't take any advice on health from 26-year-olds.
I got to warm my feet up in the morning.
Correct. I'm calcifying, motherfucker. None of your shit's going to help my calcification. I'm dying. I have arthritis. So do I. Yeah. So do I. I got to warm my feet up before I get out of the car. Okay? I have a whole thing about that, but... You know, that's the reality of getting older.
I know. He's got a thick neck. He's got a perm. He's actually handsome. He's wearing a jewel. He's wearing his jewelry. Very expensive watch. He looks great.
I was telling you this the other day. I think his political transformation is interesting because, now there's a cynical view. It's from jujitsu. Agreed. When you do MMA and you're around other men and your testosterone goes up, you start to feel your body. You put your hands on the world. You're going to have a different perspective, for real. It's going to change.
Of course I didn't brush my teeth before I went to bed. Give a fuck. You know what I mean? You're married. You're married. She was like, I love you so much. Your breath is four dimensional. You know, these fires.
They have done studies, I believe, Jamie, you can look this up, where when they raise a man's testosterone, he becomes more conservative, more right wing.
And now his whole life up here. Now he's down here.
Yeah. His voice sounds different even. Yeah, he's good. He's becoming a man. Well, fucking broke. Men are raised by women in our schools and stuff. And because of this, probably in the past 30 years, masculinity was always considered, they were taught it's a liability.
Well, the woke ideology had a major problem, which was it was reductive. Right? It would reduce a complicated world to a binary world, which is ironic, by the way. But it would sort of say, I can solve all this. There are oppressors and oppressed. There's power and powerless people.
black and white also there's no forgiveness zero forgiveness don't apologize they'll really crucify you and you can't there's no retribution there's no way to come back but my 13 year old son you can see these kids now at 13 don't start talking to him about this shit because these kids are like they've already been they figured it out at 13 I'm telling you my son was like I don't feel I don't like this shit I want to do jujitsu and wrestle all the time fuck off also podcasts correct
I have a whole joke about that. It's like there are a couple of things. My whole joke is this. I can't call my friends. I had this joke. I was like, if I call my friends and I'm like, I'm sad, my friends can call me. You got the wrong number, pussy. And it's like, Joe Rogan, that's a mean way to talk to me, you know? But it's true. I remember one time I called you. This is fucking great.
I called you and I remember my audition went bad and it was like the third, I would get right there. I was about to, and back then, remember, if you got a TV show, your money problems were gone for a while. All I thought about was I get to drink great wine and buy a fucking house and take a minute, right?
you're thinking of a nice car remember that and I fucking called you and I go like this I go fuck dude I don't know I was good and he goes you can't be good you gotta be great I go I know I know I know I just I don't know I'm just I don't know I just can't I can't figure it out and I was bummed right and I was basically saying I'm sad and you fucking go you go yeah and he goes what do you want to do tonight I go I don't know I just let it down he goes
Hey, you'll be all right. Let's just fucking go out and eat and do something. You'll figure it out. Fucking relax. Don't get all mopey about this shit. I was like, okay. And that was it.
My favorite was that one of the women said, you want people to look like you.
And I'm like, hey, listen, hey, lady, when my house is on fire and I'm trying to get my kids out, I'm not going to be like, hey, can I get some people that look like me? Because this doesn't make me feel safe.
I remember you bought that Acura, the new Acura.
Yeah, dude. I loved it. You used to pick me up in that shit. I was like, what the fuck?
You remember when I was doing that? I finally got my own show. I'm doing those shows. I was like, I fucking do it. I don't like this. I want to do stand-up now. Now I told you. The cool thing about being 57, I'm enjoying stand-up more now than I ever have. Well, you're smarter now.
They can be white as the driven snow. If they look like a white walker and they can get me out of that fucking fire, I'm in. I want Brian Shaw.
With a mustache that goes like this.
I'm so gay that when I saw they came by, I saw some firemen, and I didn't know what to do. I wanted to say something like, go get them, guys, or something like that. And I literally went like this. I went – I saluted them.
Tom is the best. So did I. So did I. I was in college. And I was at the Improv in New York, and my father took me to, we sat there and watched Dom Herrera. I remember that's why when I come off stage at the Laugh Factory, and I was still a little in awe of Dom. And Dom goes, Bri, come over here. And I was like, oh, maybe he's going to give me some pointers, you know.
And I go, he goes, you know what I love about your act? I go, what? And he goes, you don't go for the laughs.
He's a real comic, man.
I have two small children now because what I want to do is what you want to do is you want to get divorced and then you want to have get married again to a woman who's 23 years younger and then have two more kids because that's good.
Yeah, but my wife is so funny because my wife is very handy, and I said – And we had an evacuation where I looked at her and I go, I got to go do Joe's podcast and then shoot my special at the mothership. But I feel guilty about leaving you here. And she goes, what are you going to do? You can't change a tire. I got this.
So it doesn't matter if it's solids or strips?
Yeah. But I'm saying when you master something like that, I'm not saying your marriage is going to be great. I'm saying when you master something like that, it's a very good way to really get to know yourself.
So he changed to a different –
And when you have a match, how many games are you playing?
Wait, a race, 120 games?
I'm in an area where I'm good.
That becomes a physical game too now. Now you're actually an athlete a little bit. Well, sort of.
Yeah, but your body can't break down.
You never get really big fatzos that can handle... There used to be a guy... What I love about The Hustler, one of the greatest movies ever with Paul Newman, is when Jackie... What the fuck's his name? Gleason. Jackie Gleason said, it really came down to character. He washed his hands, washed his face, and drew a blank and came back and beat him.
That was a really interesting lesson for me as a young man.
But everything at the highest level is those micro adjustments.
They say when Rafa Nadal is one of the greatest tennis players ever. When he won Wimbledon, they're all clapping. He comes in and the legend goes, I don't know if it's true, but I heard it makes sense. He's coming in and he's going like this. He goes, I think my grip, I think I want to, he's not even paying attention. He's talking to his coach.
I feel like my grip should be just a little bit like that or still making micro adjustments. You just won Wimbledon.
But isn't stand-up like, so I'm going to shoot this special, and I'm going to throw it away, and I've got to start again. And just because I've done five specials doesn't mean it's going to be easier. It's going to be a motherfucker because I've got to come up with – I've got to make sure I don't repeat myself. I've got to make sure I'm not – You've got to have something to say.
You've got something to say? You can't get calcified?
Do you ever get tired of talking to – do you ever get tired of doing this podcast even though you have very interesting people?
I like trying to think about- Yeah, because you have a lot of problem solvers on this podcast, too.
We all were. Yeah. I think what was interesting is we would, I'd have these opinions and I'd, I'd, I'd state these truths and then like somebody would Google it and be like, Hey, Hey dude, no. It's like I had this hilarious fucking typical Brian. I'm talking about cows, grass fed, all this shit. Hey, Hey man, I've never been on a farm. Okay. Never, never raised cows.
The farmer goes, Hey, I love your podcast. Brian's wrong about everything he said, but it's cool. I fucking emailed the guy back, you know, I'm talking to him. And he gave me an education. He's like, I mean, what you're saying is just not true when it comes to how you raise cows. And there was a thousand things, of course, I had no idea. That's the biggest liability, I think, in a lot of ways.
Yeah, this is like Mike Catherwood. You know Mike? Great guy. Do you know Mike Catherwood? He was on Loveline.
Psycho Mike Hathaway. That's right. So Mike comes down with his wife, who's an actress, and they're like, I'm going to be in Austin on the outskirts, and I want to live on a farm. Did he move here? Yeah, he's a kid from L.A. He goes, I get here, and we got guinea fowl. We got little sheep. We got rabbits. We got all— And fucking the snakes are eating all my eggs.
The guinea fowl getting decimated by coyotes, foxes, whatever the fuck it is out there. I mean, everything's dying. I'm just getting decimated by hawks coming in. I'll take your bunnies. That's adorable. You think you can raise bunnies? So they're just getting decimated. Guess what they did? What's the one change they made?
They got two Anatolian shepherds.
And bro, he said, even the fucking snakes are on those. He's like, those fucking dogs are just like, coyotes? Excuse me, sir?
Those fucking things will just patrol your grounds, and anything on four legs is going to pay a very dear price.
Count me in. I'll wear a tweed jacket. I'll smoke cigars. I'm not going to do any of the work, but I'll supervise.
But what if you had out like a big pond with fish? Yeah. So you can fish.
You had land you can shoot your own... Let me tell you about freshwater fish. Yeah?
Yeah, mercury is not good for the body.
Did I ever tell you the conversation I had with Arnold Schwarzenegger? I was with John Leguizamo.
Well, that was the Great Migration, right? So from the South, a huge number of black people went up to Detroit looking for jobs. And the problem was when they got to there, first of all, the auto industry started to get decimated because it started to move toward Japan and different countries. In the 50s? I can't remember. See when the Great Migration was. It was before that.
This was before that. I was doing that movie.
Well, they had jobs and there was a whole thriving community. But really what happened also is that the auto workers union, I'm sorry, but it kept black people out of it. There's a lot of racism that went on. So a lot of people couldn't find jobs.
Well, it was like the Puerto Rican exodus from Puerto Rico to New York. They went up there looking for manufacturing jobs. Then the manufacturing jobs coincided with moving south. So you had this massive number of people who didn't have anywhere to go.
Well, the biggest thing that every mainstream publication is in crisis, and I think they've earned it. They've deserved it. The New York Times still makes money, but primarily not because of their articles that people read. It's primarily because they're crosswords. They're puzzles.
But when you take things out of context and you have journalists that are 26 years old and have an ideological bent, the rest of us are going, the news doesn't reflect the world I live in. Whatever the fuck you're saying, I don't know who this is. I've never seen this. I live in a very different world. And it's going to be interesting to see.
I think there's a liability, though, where podcasts take the place of mainstream media in some ways, because then you have somebody who's very good at talking for three hours and they can really sway a lot of people. But that's one side of their story. So now you have just that.
So you have to be careful because sometimes it could just move things over here where, again, the truth is somewhere in the middle a lot of times or it's more nuanced or there's just more to know.
What's the evidence, too?
Well, it's also about ratings, right?
No. No. No. What do you mean?
Imagine if I was, like, saying things. Yeah, how'd that come across? Can we do that again?
You didn't even catch it. Oh, you fucker. Oh, wait a minute. Hey, you motherfucker. You're saying that Mark Zuckerberg and Mel Gibson get better ratings than me? This is bullshit. Occasionally.
on a podcast or whatever, when they say, you guys, all those people over there are wrong. I'm the one whistleblower. I figured out I'm the one. Now you do have Mavericks, but I always am weary of when I hear somebody go, all that, the entire medical establishment is wrong. And I'm right. And I go, I don't think so. I just don't think you know enough. I don't think you as one person.
I'm not going to just put all my bags. There is something called a scientific consensus. Sometimes that can be a bullshit consensus. We can be told that climate scientists all agree. It's not true. It's just how you get funding. So sometimes the incentive structures are there.
Correct. Let's just be a little bit more, you know.
I also know some CIA people, like real CIA people. And you talk to them and it's like, they're always like this. They're always like, dude, I wish we were as competent as people say. I mean, if you were involved- Talk to Evan Hafer.
Same thing. I said to him, I went to his wedding, and I loved everybody there because they were all his closest friends. Evan was there and stuff, and that was the first time I met Evan.
And I'm just talking to these tier one guys and they just seemed so intelligent and they were so, and they were, and John Dudley was there and a lot of like great guys, but I'm talking to some pretty cool people, right? Who, who, who have done a lot with their life and they were well-rounded and everything else.
And I said, man, I just think it'd be so fun to be in that, in a tier one unit because they're just all so, they're so smart and they're just, they just have such a wide breadth of knowledge. And he goes, God, you're so fucking wrong. Yeah.
You better dot your I's, cross your T's.
That dude is so fucking smart. He's another guy who's very smart.
He's also a CL Team 6 guy, so he's got some physicality.
Leah is built like a true athlete.
You cannot be light in the ass.
My only regret is not going down that rabbit hole.
Yeah. You don't train much anymore, right?
Oh, dude, there's no financial stress at all. It's great. You know what? If I hustle until I'm 80, I'll be fine. Anyway. Oof. It's going to be really awkward when I call you at 75. I just need help this month. But anyway, so I fucking – I look at her and I go – she's like a girl from Jersey, like Irish-Italian chick, no nonsense. Been working since she was 16.
That happened to me the other day. I trained at this in Nono's MMA, who I love it, down in Hermosa. and I love doing it, but I, of course, I'm rolling with a 26-year-old, and I'm like, let's go, and of course, I'm 57, and I see his ankle. Don't give me your ankle, bro. I'm an ankle guy. I pick his ankle, drive him to the ground, fucking poke that ankle.
Had trouble looking left for 11 days. All right? Fucking worth it.
I don't get hurt when I'm rolling with somebody who's really good.
I like to talk shit to guys who are way better.
Well, part of that also, I think that one of the, people don't talk about this. I think the Dagestanis, the Russians, like Marab.
Dude, I thought I was straight this whole time. God damn, son.
I mean, that's a strong man is what I meant.
I think his coach is a gold medalist Olympic wrestler. Here's the thing about those guys. I think one of their advantages that nobody talks about is that when you get a guy like Khabib, you get these Dagestanis, you get these Russians, these Armenians and stuff. They've been training probably since they were six. And so what happens is your tendons and everything gets really, really strong.
And also, if you ever watch like Alexander Carell and the way they would warm up. Those guys, like Corellon could do a backflip, go splits and all that. Those guys, the way they warm up was, it was scientific.
And so, because they knew that the micro damage that happens, and so they would strengthen all the connective tissue first. And I think a lot of times, like guys like Marab, guys like Umar, Since they've been training so long, their bodies are different. They feel different. They are different. They're more rugged. So they don't get injured. They don't deal with injuries.
One of the biggest things that is hard for a lot of guys.
They might get injured. I think they get injured less. They probably do. Or they train differently.
developed to strike yeah but you also have to be like if you look at the the boxers like if you look floyd mayweather his father and his uncle said to him like they knew they were like boxing is just about as much about not getting hit like you can be great and everything else if if your emphasis isn't on every time you throw you got to be in a position where you're not going to get hit every time you step custom auto was that way too every time you you throw you step and
And a huge part of that is it was all a foot game. And all of that is if you haven't been trained properly, as you're learning how to box, you're going to take a lot of damage. And you're fucked. You're fucked after a while. And if you look at those really good coaches, those old guys, Eddie Futch, who taught, who would teach the jab, your hand was here.
Because instead of here, you were taking shots, you would be here. So if you watch him fight with Ken Norton when he fought Ali – He said, when you fight Ali, Ali's here when he jabs. He's doing this. I want your hand here. So you can see Norton catching Ali's jab and then, boom, answering back and catching Ali in the face.
Those little details make literally all the difference in whether you box five more years or if you're done five years earlier.
So I'm with John Leguizamo. We were doing that movie Ride Along. And John goes, hey, stick around. We'll have some dinner with a friend of mine that's coming by. I didn't know who it was. Arnold shows up with his assistant. It's kind of cool. And I'm a fan.
He wasn't Jermaine. I mean, what's his name? Trevante Davis or anything.
Those Dagestanis are made of different fucking... He's Chechnyan.
When you have your hands up with him, he'll still concuss you. Yeah. He hits that hard. Just basic two, like ones and twos, maybe a hook once in a while.
So we're sitting there and I just read a book on California politics by Michael Lewis called Boomerang about sort of like how a lot of the towns like Stockton went broke because of the pension plans and all that shit. Blah, blah, blah.
He'll break your arms down.
They're going to fight again?
I think the best fighter, I think you can make an argument for certainly top three fighters of all time.
It is that too, dude. It is that too. It's that too.
I think he's incredible.
I mean, I've watched every one of his fights. That dude is on such a different level.
He's fighting giants. He's fighting giants. When you're fighting a guy who's 60 pounds heavier with 10-ounce, 12-ounce gloves, it makes such a world of difference.
But please understand, Usyk fought at, I think, 75 when he started out. He's not a big, frank guy.
Let's go, Andy. Let's go. I like it. We've got to get you an accountant, though. Don't spend too much of your money on that.
I think there's also you've got to take the responsibility on of being a champion. It's hard to hold that. It's one thing. It's like starting a business. You can get people to know about your business. Running a business is very different.
That's why Jon Jones, to me, is just incredible.
The Cubans are amazing because they don't hit mitts. You'll have a guy, and they just move and move and move. And once in a while, the coach will lift a glove. About one shot. You know, move and move and move. It's all footwork.
What about cold plunges? That's controversial still, right?
Oh, because they drained it, right?
What the fuck? Look how big it was. What in the world?
So Dan Gable said he would do a sauna after working out because it raised his endurance.
I did that in fucking Sweden where I was with all these Vikings. It's fucking so funny.
Well, I guess we needed it to grow all the oranges, right?
There's a scene in a book called Blood Meridian where the guy chops a dude's head off with that fucking knife. Let me see that. Who gave me this?
I mean, that's a knife. I don't know what you'd do with this if you had to clear a brush.
What is this? It's a hacking knife. Who gave me that? It's when you're coming in and you want to just clear a house.
What's the knife for? Just in case, bro.
Those axes look like they actually would work, too.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous knife. That's an overkill. Do we know who gave it to me? If somebody wears that on their belt, I'm like, your dick is tiny. That's incredible.
Well, I want to see what happens because I think, first of all, rents are going to go through the roof. This is going to be crazy. Where's everybody going to live? It's a major housing shortage. This is a major problem.
I'll tell you what's going to happen, I think. I think people that own houses that are not in fire zones, even if they're small, are going to sell their houses for millions of dollars. Because you've got those very wealthy people going, I need a place, name a price. And your house might be worth $2 million, you're going to sell it for $4 million.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
It's going to be completely fucked. And remember, Los Angeles has been the worst at building affordable housing or just housing in general. All the permitting you got to go through, all the red tape, they can't do it. There's so many issues. There's so many issues, but especially housing, especially. We have, what is it? I think the Poverty rate in Los Angeles is like second to none.
The schools are terrible. The homeless situation is, I think, the second. But hey, it's sunny.
There's a lot of TikTok stars, and that's good for our culture. That's good for our culture.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I appreciate it.
Well, I said to you when you signed that deal, I go, I say this to people about you. You've not changed even a little bit. Well, if anything, you've calmed down. You have peace of mind. But you've not changed as like in terms of like, you know, you become a very powerful, influential person. But I've never I haven't seen you change. I haven't seen you like it hasn't gone to your head. I said, why?
And you go, I think it's because I do something really difficult every day. And it just reminds me of what a bitch I am.
Oh, look at that. God bless him. God bless him. Dude, that's when you're really trying.
Yeah, it's so bad for you. Comments. It's so bad for you. I've never read one, especially good ones. I don't want to hear it because it's going to have power over me. I don't want to hear the good ones either.
You know that kid Matan? Matan? He's that kid, this Israeli kid who's like 17 years old and a complete troll. I did his podcast. It was so fun. But he's just like, those kids at that age, they are about just, there's no reverence to anything. No. They want to tear it all down.
With his COVID mask on. That's just a last stand, bro. That's a last stand.
I don't know if the blame lays in the fire department, by the way, here. I think, you watch, I'm going to make a prediction. I bet it's just already happening. I promise you that the progressive government in Los Angeles and in Sacramento is going to blame not infrastructure, not government incompetence, not mismanagement, but climate change.
So her sexual proclivity is really what makes it.
It's just ideas. Identity politics.
It's placing a group above an individual, right? So treat that person like an individual. I don't give a shit that she's into women. I don't care at all.
If she's competent, I'll fucking vote for her all day. I don't know if she is. I don't know enough about her record.
Well, that video I showed you of my friend's house that just disappeared. And then you remember I sent you that video of him driving down the PCH. Those guys are coming to my house because where I'm at is the only place that's where the air is breathable and all that. Well, we have a barrier between the 405 and also the airport. So it's really we're pretty safe.
Until what happened? It got too expensive to do business. It got too expensive to shoot in L.A.
Taxes and everything else. It got too expensive. It is too expensive to open restaurants or anything else in L.A. So you've got this great sandwich chain I'm obsessed with called Snarf's, right? I just like their... I think they have one in Austin.
Yeah, I brought them here. Yeah. I love their sandwiches, dude. And... You know, that company is so good that I literally was... I want to get involved in the franchise business because I think they're crushing. And they will not open in Los Angeles. It's too expensive. There are too many... A friend of mine who you and I both know has businesses in Texas and businesses in Los Angeles.
And a lot of them, okay? I'll tell you who it is later. Ooh, I love a suspense. So in his California businesses... He's been sued over 1,000 times. I think it's 1,002 times. 1,002 times in the 18 years he's been in business. In Texas, he's been sued once. Once. And in that case, they were right to sue them because they did something wrong.
And it's pretty interesting because there's literally a difference in culture. There's a difference in the notion of I'm responsible for my actions. Somebody else is responsible for the state I'm in. And that is a mind virus that has taken over Los Angeles, taken over California, in my opinion. A lot of this is just mindset.
And I think it's very ironic, with all due respect, because I have a lot of friends who lost houses in the Palisades area and everything else. But... And I... If you had walked through the Palisades, you would have seen a lot—most of them voted for Karen Bass. I'm not saying Karen Bass deserves all this blame, but I'm saying there was a lot of Kamala stuff there, very little Trump stuff.
And it's ironic to me because I do think, to an extent, without having done enough research—but I've done some— that you have to lay at least some of the blame for this total inability to respond to government mismanagement.
And the fact that this government, this progressive government in California, in Sacramento, in Los Angeles, put things like climate change and social justice ahead of fucking basic infrastructure. Basic infrastructure. You knew that they were predicting and they knew how dry this season was. Fucking eight months without rain. Okay, guys?
So we need to figure out there is a way to solve every problem. Do you need an army of firefighters? They cut 17%. I know.
$17.6 million from the fire budget in Los Angeles.
Well, to your point, this was a perfect storm to an extent, and there's a limit to what any fire department can do. There's a limit, right? We live in Los Angeles. Fires are a reality. Earthquakes are a reality. Mudslides are a reality. We know this. California is a tough place to live. It's great, but there are a lot of liabilities.
I just think if you know that that's the case, something went wrong. And our infrastructure, the fact that our fire hydrants and it happened in Colorado three years ago. But the fact that the fire hydrants lost pressure, you can predict these things.
I love the Delta smelt.
The homeless thing, too. You talk to progressives about the homeless thing. You know what they'll say? It's a housing shortage. No, it's not. It's a drug and mental health problem. Housing, housing, housing. Sorry.
And so there's a vested interest in keeping homeless a problem.
I know a guy who was a tier one guy who was dealing with real demons and he did one session of Ibogaine and it changed everything.
And that's surprising that Rick Perry, who's a Texas conservative.
Repairs the neural pathways or something like that?
Well, they did a really interesting study on, or there was a guy, a journalist, I can't remember who it was talking about. They drew this comparison when the 60s music movement happened with Hendrix and all those guys. When they were taking psychedelics, incredible things were going on musically. Oh, yeah. Once they turned to cocaine and heroin, the music fucking died. Hairbands.
Whiplash, fucking engine closing.
Is that a catalytic converter or a carburetor?
It gets like a... Fuck a gallon.
That's sacrilege, I guess.
I like the old Aston Martins.
I drove a 1985 Porsche Targa. Dude, it's a stick shift. Oh, yeah. What a beautiful car. You feel everything, but God damn, it's beautiful. I mean, you're just zipping it.
That's the only time I've driven a car and I went, I get it. I've never been into cars.
I drive a Tesla 3 with white interior, white exterior. I wanted to be as gay as I could.
I drove the new electric Porsche.
Yeah, that's 100 miles.
What can I pick one of those up for like a regular car? A regular one?
There's a company called- Not electric.
And I go – we had an evacuation order that they sent out by accident to people even down where I'm at. Yeah, what was that? It was some guy who –
So you're not picking that thing up from this thing?
Because there's just very few of them.
That's why I like my car so much. I like the Tesla. It's... I love it.
That thing is a- That's like grinding your own coffee. It's something about it.
The sensations. There's a tactile sensation.
I think there's a huge value to that, like cooking. Oh, yeah. The fact that it takes- You take time to get good at something like cooking the perfect beef stew or whatever the fuck it is.
The smell of wood. Oh, yeah.
Convenience and abundance comes with a price like everything else. Sometimes that's a lack of connection. Sometimes just the actual process of doing shit, like the actual process of preparation and all that is a form of flow.
that you get into there's a great book called Beyond Boredom and Anxiety by Csikszentmihalyi I don't know what the fuck his name is he's like this Hungarian scientist he compares the flow state that rock climbers surgeons painters and conductors get into and it's all very similar because it takes incredible concentration when you're rock climbing and you don't want to fall I bet the rock climbers look at the painters like bitch you are not in the same flow state as me motherfucker no they're not because it's life and death right
And it had no top. Dude, I thought I was going to pass out. I was like, I went to the mechanic. I think I'm going to pass out. I was all panicked. You know, he goes, it's just the way it is. I go, what do you mean it's the way it is?
Fucking sold that thing for 500 bucks or something. I don't know.
Well, you know what it is? They have a personality. There's something about getting into... I had a girlfriend who had a vintage Mercedes, and I swear to God, I got attached to that car. It felt like an experience. I would get in there, and it had a personality almost. It was like... 100%.
Because somebody had made that. Somebody had taken the time. A lot of that shit's made by hand, I think. Right.
Like when something's really considered by craftsmen and you can't, you cannot replace the feel of like something that's been crafted out of leather.
It's an artistic, it's an expression of artistry, man.
That's European, brother.
You know how much my three weighs? Almost 6,000 pounds.
You used to like big trucks, too, though. You like the Denali's and stuff.
There's nothing you can do.
That's the kind of car you take out on a countryside. Oh, yeah, man. And you wear a scarf.
Gloves, scarf, and you wear the glasses. I want to be European so badly sometimes. And your lady's doing this. You're going too fast. Yeah.
It looks like an Arachnid.
Yeah, but it's also ridiculous. I mean, does it come with a Batman suit?
Because it's just reliability, everything, or what?
Is that fin that was on there necessary?
Because you want to look like an asshole.
I like that. That's a good look right there.
Does the fin come up or something?
That's a good-looking car.
Or are they very expensive?
When you run away from looters. Once I start selling theater tickets.
I know. I got to do that. You've been telling me that a long time.
I hope it is. But I have my other kids, so I have two families.
Plus, when you're on the road like me, traveling from Texas is way easier than traveling from fucking Los Angeles.
You know, I got to tell you, the crazy thing about the Pacific Palisades was that eight years ago, probably eight, maybe almost nine years ago, I looked at houses there with my ex-wife. And we came so close to buying a house because it's such a beautiful place. We didn't buy it because it was a little too expensive, to be honest with you. It was just a little out of our price point.
You want to talk about one of the greatest comics, period? I watched that motherfucker and I'm like, and he's still doing it at his age.
Yeah. Well, these fires, I feel like these fires are kind of almost like my wake-up call.
You're going to have one too, huh?
We're smoking cigars like men. I like this new thing.
I'm an idiot. I'm like... I can't figure shit out. How come you can't figure things out? Because I'm bad with that stuff, okay? That's why my wife was like, get out of here. You can't do it. I'll take care of it. I'm like, raise my kids. Save them. Tell my story. I'll be in Austin. Sorry about the fires. Tell them to watch your special. Tell all the kids at school to watch Daddy Special.
Watch Daddy Special. It's going to be good. False gods. I'm excited, man.
Yeah, I think so, right?
I was like, I would rather, like, shoot it here, you know? Mm-hmm. Because you did that club right, man. You did that club right. It makes such a difference. Yeah. Well.
That's it. I get a kick out of you because I don't know. You still have, like, for this podcast, what, three people that work for you? I mean four, but, you know, more than that.
My buddies, they're going to start a podcast. Well, we've got to get a production team. We've got to get this and that. I'm like, hey, bro.
You're fun to hang with. He's like a stoic.
But even for a smaller house, it was expensive, right? But it's beautiful.
fucked up because i don't know if you know this is gonna be this is gonna be shocking grab the table la's not run very well hold on i know hold on what the fuck you're saying because see here's the thing we have to worry about i know isn't the chief of fire department a lesbian now hold on let's not turn this into listen here's the bottom it's run amazing it's not about infrastructure infrastructure i won't sit here while you disparage the great people sir that are running los angeles sir infrastructure's got to take a backseat to climate change and social justice and homeless abatement which hasn't
And he's not trying to be – Anything he's not. So what happens in that position is that's kind of a big job. Right. And it'd be very easy to go, I'm part of this podcast. I'm a huge part of it. He doesn't get his ego.
The last thing you would ever think, the last thing is...
We all have our role. We all do our thing.
Just give me a paid intern. It's fine.
I think what happens is it builds resentment if you're not- 100%. You got to be careful with all that.
that that house would burn down or there was a fire hazard especially down like where Gelson's was or the whole town that dude when I'm saying the town is gone you know the only structure that's standing is that guy Caruso that mayor the guy who ran for mayor narrowly lost to Karen Bass he built that mall out of fire retardant material and that's the only structures that pretty much downtown that are in the town of Pacific Palisades Frank Grillo our buddy his old house burned right to the ground just done
Henry VIII said something like that. He said, every time I promote somebody, I create eight enemies and one ingrate. Something like that. I think that was the quote.
He was terrible. Henry VIII was a fucking idiot. Maybe he's just a piece of shit. You know what he did, right? So the Catholic Church, he wanted a son, and his wife was barren, and he wanted an heir, and the Catholic Church would not... Codify his divorce. So he was like, okay, I'm gonna start the Anglican Church fuck off I'm gonna start my own church and it's gonna okay.
It's gonna be okay with divorce So he created the Anglican Church and the great story of a man for all seasons Thomas Sir Thomas more was Thomas more would not join the Anglican Church and they killed him for it And he said I am more than my appetites.
I am more than you know, my body I am my principles and my principles are higher and I'm gonna stick to the Catholic Church kind of like, you know I wish I was
Well, we all would, right?
All right? I was in acting class. As you remember that. And one of the... Kind of a famous actor. He did the scene. This is so great. He did the man for all seasons. And as he... So you do a scene. And a lot of working actors in the class. This is Los Angeles. And we all sit back. And now the great teacher will now break it apart. And he... The actor began to weep.
And they said, why are you crying? And he says, because I'm not this man. I would have joined the Anglican church. And it bothers me that I'm not the kind of principled man that would stick to.
He was one of my favorite actors, too. And I was like, there you go. At least you know your fucking limitations.
Never say what you would do in an emergency because you don't know.
Well, you better know you're vulnerable. Like, you walk around like a tough guy. Right. The real tough guys are the guys that have done a lot of shit or who've seen a lot of combat or at least been involved in, like, Evan Hafer, for example, has probably done a lot more than he... He never talks about any of it.
You'll never hear him say anything, but... And for that matter, Andy Stump's the same way. They don't really tell you anything, but... They're very aware that, first of all, it's very easy to be killed. Very easy. I don't care how strong you are, what you bench. A tiny child can kill you with a gun. Right away. So you get a real sense.
Part of what's really good about just doing combat sports or doing any kind of, like, even a rough sport, contact sport, is that you come into contact with objective reality. It's very hard to start living this fake existence. And part of the problem, I think, with our society is a lot of people controlling the narrative.
don't really pay a price for being wrong because they live a life and they live a job where they're working, where they're working with their mouth. They're working with only their brain. And I think you get a lot from actually trying to grow your own food or doing whatever it is.
You know, you've got to kind of come in, you own a farm and you realize that life eats life and things, everything of nature, mother nature is a motherfucker and wants to kill everything you try to grow. It gives you a very different perspective on reality and what the world is about.
Right. You ever see Steven Pinker's book, The Blank Slate? Those people have never been in contact with anybody white or Western, and the guys that get laid the most are the guys that kill the most people in combat and have their hair on their daggers. So they have their version of a fucking all-star quarterback, too, and he gets all the pussy. And they were like, what the fuck?
And they literally attacked their reputations and everything. They drove them out of academia.
And life takes a certain amount of aggression and competitive spirit or you're going to fucking get eaten.
Yeah, you're going to get fucked is really what happens. That's right. For sure. So don't – it's great. I love that we're all – it's all utopian until your kids don't have enough to eat. And then I'm going to kill – that's what happens. People are really kumbaya until your kids – have to struggle for resources, and then they become genocidal.
Jared Diamond, who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel, did the study with the fucking people up in the Guinea highlands. The minute they started running out of resources, they would start coming up with stories about the other tribe over there that were basically, yeah, they eat their own kids. Yeah, they're fucking really evil.
Nobody in a million years. I'm telling you.
Just to whip up, just to justify what they were about to do to that other tribe because they got their stuff.
I think what changed me a lot was when I was younger, I was accidentally around some pretty rough people, some criminals, people that were –
bad violent or you know um and i think i remember going i remember it's very scary when you're around people that are you know like that and i never forgot it because i was pretty naive as most of us are coming up because i'd been around a good family and stuff like that and i saw how ugly and dangerous Some men can be, especially when nobody's looking. And I never forgot the idea.
I mean, I lived in. Remember, also, I was in the war in Lebanon.
So I think you I was I left and I was I left Lebanon when I was. I was 11 years old.
Yeah, and then I went back. I went back when I was, I think, 15, 16, and I didn't recognize anything from my childhood. So I was in Lebanon for five years. And so I had wonderful memories. And then the war broke out and we were stuck. My father couldn't get back in because he was... And then we got evacuated. But I was living in the Holiday Inn for six months. And we had to sleep on the floor.
And then finally we had to go down into the fucking underground parking lot because they were bombing. And you would wake up and you would hear machine guns and stuff. So you felt very out of sorts and very, very... It was very scary. You're a kid. And I remember seeing – on a balcony, I remember seeing planes bomb a gas station. I never forgot it.
I don't know. The wind blew a different direction or something.
I never forgot seeing the planes come in and the missiles dropped and just – the sound, dude, the sound. And I don't know if anybody who's been in war knows this, but I was on the beach. I was on Coral Beach. and it probably was in the 80s. I was 14, 15, 16, whatever I was. They shot a rocket over our head, okay? And I think it was a test fire.
Dude, when I tell you that the sound was so loud that we all fell on the ground. I fell down on the sand. The sound was so disoriented that everybody went down on their hands and knees. That's how loud it was over your head. And I think that when you are in that kind of proximity to...
violence like that and then later on when I was older I was around some people who were pretty rough you know and for me I always I knew that if the grid broke down that those people were going to take over and there was going to be no fucking mercy and I've never forgot that and so you could see with COVID the minute That law enforcement had to restrict their resources. You saw what happened.
No, I don't think any house withstands that kind of fire.
Looting. You saw crime. You saw homelessness. And the fabric of a society can break down so fucking quickly. People don't realize it. Until you've been in countries where it's happened. And until you've been around... Men who negotiate the world in a violent way and maybe in ways that are a little bit outside the law. You don't know what you're doing, man. You've got no idea. So all those people.
And I love when the left starts talking about. you know, violent revolution and you're in college kid, you have no fucking idea. You don't, first of all, don't wake up that and don't wake up the conservative. Don't do that.
Let's not even talk about it because I know a lot of guys that shoot real straight, you know, and often and yeah, and often and they're very comfortable and they're comfortable in those violent spaces.
Yeah. Let's not, let's not, let's not let those dogs slip.
His body just comes from enforcement. His traps, he just looks like a giant block. He's a born enforcer. He's not going to win a Nobel Prize for peace.
You ever hear how Tim Kennedy talked about him?
You put him in a glass case and break in case of war?
Let's keep those guys on a – let's keep them over here on a leash.
Yes. And please understand the base of our republic also is that we have civilian control of a military. And that was a huge – in the election between I think Madison and Jefferson, the idea was – was it Madison or was it – Adams, I can't remember. But in the election was, should we have a standing army?
Because traditionally in a republic, if you had a standing army, a very charismatic general like Napoleon would take over the army and take over the country. So that was a huge thing. James Madison was a genius at figuring out how to limit that. And he said, checks and balances, but you have to have civilian government in control of the military because military people arrive at military solutions.
It doesn't matter. How's that one house?
Yeah. Fucking really important, man. Really important. Don't let guys like John McPhee, you need him in war, but God bless.
Man, I really enjoyed having him on.
He used the word viceroy, and he did it on purpose. It's like- But Eric comes from a position of how to solve problems. Yeah. When he was talking about Gaza, he said, we have the ability to frack. What that means is we can drill sideways. He said, you could have filled those tunnels with seawater instead of bombing the shit out of 70% of it and killing all those people.
You could have flooded those fuckers out. Because you drill... And I don't know if this is true. I don't know anything about fracking. But he does. And he said, you could have drilled fucking... this way, take the Mediterranean, fill all those tunnels with seawater, and they would have had to come up, and you would have been just fine, and just position people when they come out of the water.
Why didn't they choose that? A good question. The same reason that in Afghanistan, they had an oil reserve there in Afghanistan that was well-capped by the Soviets. Well-capped. We could have taken that cap off, and that oil, they had enough oil to not only fuel the entire country, but the whole war effort right there for about nine cents a gallon.
No, that's wind. Look at that, though.
But instead, we would get our oil from Saudi Arabia, et cetera, and have to ship it through Pakistan with all the roadblocks. It was about 900 bucks a gallon or some crazy shit. He was on my thing talking about it.
Yeah, he's very smart. And Eric is, he's a problem solver. You can say whatever you want about him, but I really enjoy, he's a very smart guy. And I know people that work with him and for him.
Just so you can outrage me and give me more energy.
But here's my other thing. Here's the question I have. Okay, so you see that, right? Now- Who is going to rebuild there and who's going to finance it? And then what kind of insurance are you going to be able to get? So are you going to get insurance? Is a bank going to finance that? Would you want to rebuild there when you have to wait for a gas station for a grocery store? There's nothing there.
This AI shit's getting crazy.
Oh, wow. Oh, that's helpful.
Only if you want to save lives. Yeah. But again, this is social justice. Social justice. No, they care about representation. Ideology over effectiveness. Ideology over utility.
There's a limit to what you can do. People, you know, they're not stupid. Americans, they reach their boring point.
Make everybody rise to the same level.
Well, that's because they, again, they're framing the problem wrong. If you talk to those people, you talk to the people in charge of homelessness. A lot of times, I'm not saying a lot of them are, look, a lot of them are good people and a lot of them are smart and they know a lot more about it than I do.
So I don't like being the guy who's talking about like, but I'm just saying I like to be fair. I want to be fair. But I think when you're framing it just as a housing problem and an inequality problem, it's a fucking,
And, you know, California was always, including under Democratic governors, California was always known as a place that was run very, very well with really responsible civic employees for a long time under Reardon and that and stuff.
Right. So to me, I don't know what happens to that very valuable property.
So I had... I was with Arnold Schwarzenegger and I asked him, what was it like to be governor? And one of the things I got was that how little power he, he was not able to get a lot of things done, but I'll give you a classic example. He said, and I'm sorry if I'm paraphrasing, but he said something, he said, there was a water issue.
And he said, these farmers over here are not using all that water. So here's ready. Here's what you do. Just take the water they're not using and give it to this, this part of the state over here. Let's not be able to just pipe it over here. And his senators said, Mr. Governor, you can't do that. He said, why?
He goes, because now you're asking me to go and ask my constituents to give up some of their water. They're going to use that against me in my next election. So Schwarzenegger goes, so then what the fuck are we going to do? And he goes, here's what you're going to do. You're going to make a speech and you're going to say exactly what you just said to us.
And we're going to say yes, but then we're not going to really let it happen. Right. And he goes, that's how this works. He goes, how you're learning, baby. That's fucking California state politics.
Let me give you an example. So- Pete Hegseth seems like a great guy. I'm a fan. I don't know much about him, but he seems like the kind of guy I'd like to hang out and have a beer with. I'm sure he's very smart. Princeton, I think. Harvard. Bronze star. Wrote four books. Awesome. I'm sure he'll be a very effective Secretary of Defense.
However, that job, this DOD, I think has a million point one employees and a budget of $750 billion, maybe $850 billion. Now, just that is a massive, massive company, essentially. And that requires management on a different level. That skill set is very specific and very, very difficult and very strange. It doesn't mean that because you are a great soldier, you can necessarily do that.
And I'm saying I'm not I'm just using it as an example. So we have to get down to brass tacks and take politics out of this and get real fucking practical with all this stuff. I think with Elon Musk and with Vivek Ramaswamy, the US government is a very complicated organism and massive and does a lot of shit none of us even know about. You know, I always use this as an example.
Who the fuck keeps geese out of the airfields? The Department of Agriculture. Who keeps falcons on hand at most airports? Peregrine falcons. You know who does? The Department of Agriculture. You know why? Because they're territorial birds. They keep all the other birds out of the airfield. You know how to do that? Because I don't.
Who gets sheep to graze at a higher altitude because of global warming and they don't want to graze when it's really hot? I don't know, but we have to do that if you want mutton and fucking wool. And there are scientists that have to figure that out. They're not political. There's a thousand things.
Who manages all that nuclear waste in the ground and makes sure it doesn't get into the Columbia River and the waterways? Who manages our electric grid? Who keeps track, please, I'd like to know, of all these spent uranium rods, sir, that are used in all our diagnostic machines? Because if you detonate one of those motherfuckers over the Super Bowl, you have to clear out that city for 20 years.
The Department of Energy is the answer. That's Buttigieg. He's doing a great job.
Yeah, he's the nuclear secretary.
That guy seems like fucking well put together.
And so Michael Lewis wrote a book called The Fifth Risk about this. A good book. Short. Very worth reading. Very fucking worth reading. I walk around talking about being a libertarian. As usual, I don't really know what government does. I was so kind of humbled by the book because I was like, there's a lot of shit I rely on.
People who are needy, people who are very elderly, people who are disabled, who live in places where they can't get food, our food banks feed those people. Meals on Wheels is a really big thing. So there's a lot of shit that the government does, and we feed a lot of people that couldn't feed themselves otherwise. So we have to be careful about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I think they should be put to death.
And once again, take politics out of it. Let's approach everything like it's a problem and stay agnostic about this shit. And sometimes you might have to be a little left. Sometimes you might have to be a little right. Respond to the fucking evidence and be humble about the fact that every time you step into a problem, you may not know anything. And that's what I try to do.
Fucking, why didn't you write, I hope you guys wrote that shit down. Where's my camera? You don't need to write it down, bro. You just said it from the heart. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, bro. Fucking hilarious. Yeah, why don't you be a governor? My buddy, my buddy, last time I did my podcast, my buddy AG goes like this. He goes, from Toe Hold, he goes, hey dude, loved your Rogan podcast.
Next time you're on the biggest podcast in the world, make sure you talk about the fucking Bible some more.
It's not only incredible, but I always think the fact that the Bible endures is interesting.
I have an opinion. Tell me. I think that if you read the Old Testament, which I've done three times, I would argue that—so what's a theme of a—any author writes a book, the theme is always the author's argument for how one should behave in the world, okay? It's a good way of looking at it. And I think that the central theme of the Bible, of the Old Testament, certainly is don't worship false gods.
So what's that mean? If you try to worship false gods, if you put too much emphasis on money, on status, on power, whatever it is, on ideology, you will inevitably turn yourself into a circle. You'll be a snake eating its own tail. For whatever reason, human beings have a very hard time inventing and creating their own gods. And we always do it. The value of having a transcendent truth
of something that you can't measure. It's very interesting that you can't measure it. So why do the Muslims, why do the Orthodox Jews not have any kind of picture of God? It's because you're putting a measurement around God. You're trying to define God, and that's not for you to do.
And there's something very valuable about not being able to do that because that transcendent truth is not for you to understand necessarily. It is for you to reach for. It is for you to be reverent of. It's for you to understand that something is watching you, that you will never get away with anything. And I'll quote Jordan Peterson. I love it because I've always thought this.
I think you agree with this. You don't get away with anything. You'll pay in full for everything you've done and haven't done. It's a great way of looking at things. Maybe it's wrong, but it's a good way to at least keep that in mind.
This kind of tragedy brings out the best in people and the worst in people. The one thing it does in these communities, it brings all these people together. My buddy started to cry because I was on the phone with him. He lost everything, right? And they're going to come stay with us. And he said, when I was on the phone, these people dropped by and dropped off clothes for them.
Well, also, like I always people talk about God. I kind of like replacing it with truth. So just just try to stay close to the truth, man. And it's hard. Sometimes the truth is really fucking inconvenient. It's really it's really it'll it might throw your whole life up in the air. You might have to burn off, you know, but I don't think, I think it's inevitable.
And part of like, if you see great stories, you know, what's the definition of a tragedy? It's the hero or the protagonist doesn't learn from his mistakes and holds on. Moby Dick is a tragedy because Ahab will not give up on this fucking white whale that took his leg. And if you read the book, he just gets sucked in. You'd think it'd be some dramatic thing. In the book, Ahab gets caught
by the whale, and he just dies this quick. It's just soundless. He just gets sucked in. Like, wait, dude, he's been in the book the whole time. What the fuck happened? That's how it happens, bro. You got sucked down, and the universe doesn't give a fuck. You're not important.
But you spent all that time trying to get vengeance on a white whale, and that thing was like, he was just trying to run away. You get sucked in and you drown. It's a great way of looking at life. And as I get older, the one thing I would have told myself when I was younger, the one thing I would have told myself is I would have said, hey, listen, listen, fuckface.
You better tell the truth all the way across the board, all the way across.
You're so fucking right. Because you know what I always said to myself? I'm one of God's favorites. These things don't apply to me. I'm Peter Pan.
Yeah, I didn't want to be too... The people I knew who got real famous actors, they were so buttoned down. They were so fucking afraid of everything. And I was like, hey, bro, I think sometimes you got to be willing to throw the whole fucking chessboard in the air.
And he's got a lot of money. And he started to cry, man. He was like, I can't tell you how many people have reached out.
Kill somebody like that.
It feels like nothing on your foot. Well, it hurt.
Yeah, because that could have been you.
that's why I think fighters who can, who have longevity are very special because one of the things, you know, if you like just box or Taekwondo, especially people don't realize that people get, would get knocked out all the time in our studio, but, but also boxing. Like when you get hit hard and you have trouble chewing for like two weeks or you get hit, like, like when I was sparring a lot,
I'm skeptical. Of course you are. Is this conspiracy?
I would get hit, man, and I would get fucking gun shy. And my trainer, Wayne McCulloch, would go, you're sparring today. And it was everything I could do not to turn my car around. It would almost turn me into a liar. I was like, I'm in the hospital. Oh, my car just got hit by a truck. Anything.
But you'd get there and you'd have your fucking, I would wear a bar because I'm a bitch and a mouthpiece. And I was still always nervous. And I was fighting good guys, fighting guys like me, fucking weekend warriors.
I don't mind to take it. In 2018... Brian, pull that microphone up to your face a little bit. There you go. How's that? Perfect. All right. In 2018, individuals by the name of Amber and Marcus Capone founded an organization called VETS, Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions. Marcus Capone had been a special operator, and he had done multiple tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
When he came home, finally from war, Amber described an individual who bore no resemblance to the man that she married. He came home as a severely traumatized individual and was met by a system which could not in any way effectively address the nature of his trauma.
Recognizing that his life was at stake, as well as the future of her family, she became desperate and went online and discovered the existence of a compound called Ibogaine. She made arrangements for Marcus to receive treatment from an individual by the name of Martin Polanco, who operated a clinical operation called Mission Within.
Amber, as a last shot at saving her family, sent him to Mexico to receive Ibogaine treatment. She said when he returned, he came back as the man she remembered marrying before he ever went to war again. as they learned about other friends of theirs who were coming back home with similar circumstances on the verge of familial dissolution. with Marcus and his friends at the verge of suicide.
They began just as a friend group to put money together to send their close circle of individuals down to receive this treatment. They came together to form vets, and since 2018, over 1,000 veterans have traveled to the Ambeo Clinic south of Tijuana to receive Ibogaine treatment for symptoms of traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder.
Because of the miraculous outcomes which were endorsed by the veterans who were receiving this treatment, a group of philanthropists funded a study out of Stanford University, which was led by Dr. Nolan Williams. And over the course of several years, a cohort of 30 veterans were evaluated. before and after Ibogaine treatment.
They were evaluated comprehensively through the administration of a battery of psychological tests to quantify the nature and duration of their symptoms. They underwent pre- and post-treatment MRI scans. These scans were compared against a database which had been compiled of hundreds of thousands of healthy adult brains covering the human lifespan
And through an algorithmic assessment, the question was, what was the physiological effect upon the human brain, if any? To explain these miraculous outcomes were Veterans who had been on the verge of suicide, who had been paralyzed by symptomatology associated with profound anxiety, profound depression.
In many cases, veterans who were prescribed an array of habituate and pharmacology, which ineffectively addressed their symptomatology, were not just back to what they could remember being before they experienced their trauma, but had been liberated from that pharmacology.
The results of that study are nothing short of miraculous when it comes to the way in which Ibogaine has been revealed to have significant neuroregenerative properties that impact the human brain with profound implications for conditions for which there are no current effective treatments. Specifically,
The white matter that covers the surface of our brains, which is the highway across which all of our thoughts and impulses travel, grew and thickened in size across the entire surface of each of these veterans' brains. The centers of the brain responsible for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size.
The average reversal of brain age among this cohort of 30 veterans was one and a half years, with the top five among that cohort seeing a reversal of brain age of almost five years. Right now, there are individuals who live offshore from the United States. who are using Ibogaine to effectively treat symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, and Parkinson's disease.
Just about two weeks ago, Governor Perry and I had the privilege of spending some time with a researcher who is based out of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. This researcher has developed a protocol for the treatment of Parkinson's symptoms with Ibogaine. We had the privilege of visiting with one of his patients who wishes to remain anonymous, as well as a family member of this patient.
We were shown a video whereby this individual had developed Parkinson's disease at the age of 41. it had advanced so aggressively that by age 51, this gentleman was completely bed-fast.
As a last resort, he underwent an invasive intracranial surgical procedure called deep brain stimulation, where they drilled holes through his skull and implanted electrodes, which were designed to stimulate the production of what is called
glioneurotropic growth factor, which essentially stimulates the dopamine receptors to produce dopamine, the absence of which is implicated in the development of Parkinson's disease. And while this gentleman was no longer bed-fast, he was not able to volitionally control his bodily movements.
The video that we saw demonstrated his attempts to stand and walk, and the ability to walk was non-existent. After he had undergone the deep brain stimulation, he signed up for euthanasia services in the country in which he lives because it is legal and he was at the end of his rope.
He underwent a four-week course of upward titration with low-dose Ibogaine that did not produce a psychoactive experience. And at the end of those four weeks, that gentleman was able to stand, walk, and function as a normal human being. The outcome is nothing short of miraculous.
I had a public service career in the state of Kentucky, and the last stint of it involved my role as the chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission. Within that role, I designed for what, by lack of a better term, was the Kentucky Abagate Initiative.
Dr. Williams has said, and I agree, that Ibogaine is the most sophisticated medication on the planet. The results of that Stanford study were published in a top five medical research journal called Nature Medicine on January 5, 2024. An organization called the Brain and Behavioral Research Foundation named that study as its number two study in terms of
neuropharmacology in the world for the year 2024. I have become convinced that any system which maintains Ibogaine's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be tore apart brick by brick.
If I might provide some historical context on the reality that you have just articulated, In 1962, a heroin addict by the name of Howard Lotsoff, whose widow, Norma, is still living in New York City, he was part of an underground subculture in the early 60s known as the Yippies. And Howard came into contact with Ibogaine in 1962, and he took it out of curiosity just to see what would occur.
After he took it, he discovered that his desire for heroin had vanished, despite a nine-year hardcore dependency. Howard, along with a guy by the name of Stanley Glick, a gentleman by the name of Dana Beale, joined also by a guy by the name of Dr. Kenneth Alper, were the original pioneers.
who essentially engaged in a decades-long process of developing observational field data which demonstrated that Ibogaine had the unique ability to resolve physiological dependence on opioids. The mechanism of action was not understood and is still not understood. What is known is that the opioid-dependent brain does not have the capacity to produce its own dopamine and serotonin.
Dopamine and serotonin are our baseline survival chemicals. They drive all of our most fundamental human instincts. The drive to eat, the drive to drink, the drive to procreate. The human body's natural physical capacity to produce dopamine at its maximum, as measured in what's called nanograms per deciliter, is 125 nanograms per deciliter.
Opioids produce a dopamine response of 925 nanograms per deciliter, exceeded only by meth, which produces a dopamine response of 1,100 nanograms per deciliter. For years, individuals, as the opioid epidemic has played out in this country,
With the detonation of OxyContin and the Appalachian Mountains in 1996, for years we looked at this problem as one of profound moral failure by those who found themselves trapped in addiction. What I learned in my roles in government was that that was completely wrong.
What we are seeing are the results of a profound neurochemical brain injury expressed by the shutdown of dopamine and serotonin in the brain due to opioid exposure.
Ibogaine has the unique ability to restore the brain's dopamine and serotonin production to its pre-opioid exposure levels within 36 to 48 hours, thereby fully resolving physiological opioid dependence with a single administration for 80% of individuals the first time. That number goes to 97% with a second supportive dose. Wow.
It is extraordinary, especially when we consider the outcomes that are produced by our existing treatment system. Addiction currently, you have two pathways. One is abstinence only, and the other is what's called medication for opioid use disorder, or what I refer to as opioid maintenance treatment. Outcomes associated with abstinence treatment are essentially a rate of success of 7%.
And the reason for that is because it takes the brain 18 months of complete abstinence from opioids to recover its own individual dopamine and serotonin production. You have to be completely abstinent for 18 months before the brain begins to heal. Ibogaine shortens that to 48 hours. It is something that is not understood, but is concrete and real.
One other thing is important to mention about its physiological properties. Ibogaine can produce miraculous outcomes for individuals who find themselves substance dependent. Its applications haven't just been successful when it comes to opioid dependency. It is the only known substance to successfully treat meth dependency.
And when we consider that the current street economy, the prevailing combination is fentanyl and meth, There is no more compelling circumstance to demand the accelerated development of this therapeutic than the current reality of drug dependency and death in America. The risk comes with misadministration. There is a significant cardiac risk which accompanies Ibogaine. It has the propensity...
to prolong the beats between the heart, or what is called prolonged QT interval. The fancy word for it is Torsad syndrome. If an individual is given Ibogaine improperly, it will slow and stop their heart and they will die.
This is a very serious medication and it must at all times be administered by a medical professional with a background in interventional cardiology, supported by a nursing team that can deliver the administration of atropine to stabilize the heart's rhythm if it goes out of whack. during the course of treatment.
The other important thing to know is though that risk exists, it can be fully and completely mitigated by the co-administration of magnesium, a methodology that The best practice clinics in Mexico, I've had the privilege of going to two. The first was previously mentioned, which is Ambio, south of Tijuana, and the other is called Beyond, and it is in Cancun.
B-E-O-N-D. B-E-O-N-D. Yes, sir. Both of those clinics utilized the co-administration of magnesium in order to prevent the development of torsades. I explain all this to say to your audience, do not, under any circumstances, try to order Ibogaine online for self-administration. Do not free venture out into the world looking for any old clinic. Be very careful and selective.
There are informational websites. One is maintained violated by the name of Juliana Mulligan called InterVision Ibogaine, which has a list of providers. As I said, I have been to both ABBO and beyond. They are clinical operations that adhere to the absolute best, highest standards of safety.
And you want to make sure, if you have a family member, that you're sending them to a place that recognizes them that Ibogaine is the very best possible beginning that you can give an individual to restore their lives in the aftermath of the devastation associated with addiction.
You want to make sure that the clinical staff is comprised of highly credentialed physicians, nurses with intensive care background and certification who are also believers in the advancement of this particular medication and who also have experience with it.
It needs to be delivered within a supportive therapeutic environment whereby you are within a community that is connected to your humanity where you have the ability to receive services that heal your mind, your body, and most importantly, your soul.
Is it all right if I talk about how I came to learn about this? I'm going to have to start at the beginning, and I will try to be as economical with the use of words as possible. I was raised in one of Virginia's five coal mining counties, Russell County, Virginia, which economically and culturally is much more similar to eastern Kentucky and
and southern West Virginia than it is to any other part of Virginia. I come out of a coal mining family. My grandfathers were both grade school educated. My father's father stopped attending school in the third grade. My mother's father stopped attending school in the sixth. Both of them are underground at the age of 16, and that's where they spent 40 years of their lives.
My family has been generationally devastated by profound effects of alcohol and substance abuse, as well as untreated mental illness. It has blighted us for as long as anyone can remember. This is the environment in which my parents grew up. They married early. My first memories as a child were of screaming, cussing, and chaos. I can remember my grandfathers who lived incredibly difficult lives.
My mother's father was one of 16, had a pair of shoes given to him once a year. My father's father was one of 11. Neither one of them had a full set of fingers. You could hear my dad's dad breathe. 50 feet away from the combined effects of black lung and tuberculosis that he contracted in the coal camp in which my father was raised.
When I was a young boy and I would go and visit them, each of them, separately and independently, would at some point pull me aside and they would say, Papaw knows that you're scared and that you're anxious, but you need to know a couple of things. Number one, Papaw loves you. Number two, and most importantly, God loves you.
You have a special and unique purpose to achieve with your life that has been handed to you from on high. And no matter how scared you get, no matter how rough you think things are, if you will have faith that God will take care of you, you're going to come through just fine.
If my grandfathers had not provided me in those very early years with sanctuary from that early chaos, the stability of their love, and an affirmation of my spiritual significance, the chances are if I were alive at all, I certainly would not be sitting here
I would be looking to people like Governor Perry and people who held jobs like I once did wondering what they were going to do to pull me out of the ditch. I went through school at a time when Ronald Reagan was president. And just like the duckling to the duck, he was my North Star as to what America was all about.
I had a very idealized version of American history and civics education delivered to me by grade school teachers who had come of age during World War II or ladies who had been trained by those teachers. Coming out of a working-class family, my dad was an installer for the telephone company and a lineman for 40 years.
He had some struggles with alcohol when I was very young that he, through iron will, overcame, and today he is one of my absolute best and dear friends in this life. I was raised, along with my brother, to recognize the benchmarks of success as becoming either a doctor or a lawyer. I wasn't much good by way of math or science, but I could write and talk a little bit.
And I was also taught that law was the way in which you could defend truth, justice, and the American way. So with dewy-eyed optimism, I went to undergrad and had a wonderful time. And then I went to law school. And by the end of that first semester, with the acquisition of significant student loan debt, all of those dewy-eyed notions had been crushed and destroyed before my very eyes.
At the end of the three-year legal education process, I came to know and to understand that law has nothing to do with any of those things that I was raised to believe.
That law is often nothing other, oftentimes, than the tyrant's will, and always so when it is used to produce predetermined, manipulated outcomes in the hands of judges who drive results based on their own individual biases, predilections, and preferences.
Because I owed such debt, my first job was to just get a job, and I found myself with an accidental career practicing workers' compensation law in Kentucky. I had the privilege of being mentored by a lady named Mary Kay Williams for one year. She had managed to achieve partnership with the law firm at which we worked together.
But in May of 2002, tragically at the age of 33, she died as a result of a fall from her attic at her home after a Memorial Day party. The next day I went into the office. A senior partner called me in and said, there's no easy time to have this discussion, so we're going to have it now. There is a 300-case caseload that Mary Kay handled. The bulk of those cases belong to Walmart stores.
The state had received $842 million in settlements that will be paid out over the next 15 years by opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. And as the Kentucky Ibogaine Project was developed and executed, I was introduced to Governor Perry as someone who was a believer and advocate in the medicine. He and I developed...
They are a significant client to this law firm. I don't know you, but you are one of the few associates of which she had glowing things to say. I need you to get in there and get your hands around that caseload and anchor this client to this firm.
That touched off what was a 16-year legal career practicing workers' compensation law across Kentucky in the years which coincided with the onset and explosion of the opioid epidemic out of central and southern Appalachia.
I traveled from one end of the state to the other representing Walmart, Tyson Foods, and Tennessee Valley Authority, practicing thousands of cases over the course of those years. I can remember taking the deposition of a particular individual who I would describe as representative of the dynamics of the opioid epidemic. This person was usually a middle-aged woman, somewhere between the ages of...
45 and 70 she would have worked tirelessly her entire life usually in eastern kentucky working in low skill low wage jobs convenience stores family dollars walmart's and she worked hard and she worked consistently and she would have been someone whose labor was a monument of devotion to her family At some point in time, she would have had a work accident, a slip and fall, or a lifting injury.
She would make her way to either a physician or, in some cases, a lawyer. She would undergo an evaluation, and she would endorse the existence of pain complaints throughout her body. This person would undergo a series of diagnostic studies that failed to reveal anything that was significant, certainly not enough to explain all of the pain symptoms that this person endorsed.
As a young lawyer, I took this lady's deposition probably 30 or 40 times. And I would get them to speak to their pain. I would get them to speak to their debility. And then I would pull out their medical records, which demonstrated that CT scans, MRIs, electrodiagnostic studies, all had failed to reveal any objective physiological explanation for their complaints of pain.
And being enthusiastic and wanting to defend the very best interests of my clients, I thought that I was being put on. that the plaintiff's lawyer had sat with this lady and had come up with a sob story to tell me in order to pull money out of my client's pockets.
I was always very patient, and I was kind with the individual, but I would say, Ma'am, we have gone through a stack of medical records, and there does not appear to be anything wrong with you. And this lady would start to cry and she would say, Mr. Hubbard, I'm not a doctor and I can't tell you what's wrong with me.
The only thing that I can tell you is from the time I open my eyes until I go to bed, I hurt from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet and I can't hardly make myself get up out of bed. This person's medical treatment
by the time they got to me, had consisted of the application of high-powered narcotic medications in response to their complaints, along with habituate and psychotropic medications, Oxycontin, Xanax, Xanaflex, the whole nine yards. If they were not physiologically disabled by their accident, they had been physiologically disabled by the pharmacology that had been thrown at them.
I took this person's deposition hundreds of times. And one day driving down the road, it dawned on me that whether these ladies had physical symptoms which were identifiable or not, they were truly, genuinely experiencing profound pain which had caused significant debility. That pain was not physical. It was emotional and it was spiritual. These ladies had worked lifetimes looking at a dead end.
And at the time that they had their work accident, it was the straw that broke the camel's back for any hope they had of a future defined by dignity and autonomy. And their hope had been broken. And that broken hope came through as profound physical pain that was rooted within their spirit.
By virtue of my connection to an expert who I had utilized in my workers' compensation cases, in December of 2016, I received a call from a member of the then-administration of Governor Matt Bevin, and they were looking for an individual who could come in and look at the state's Social Security disability system. That's a federal program that exists to help individuals
individuals who are disabled as a result of either physical or mental maladies. And while it's a federal program, it is administered by the individual states. And I was asked, what do you know about Social Security disability? And I said, well, not much. I know it and workers' compensation go hand in hand. And I know that Kentucky, for as long as anyone can remember,
has a significant portion of its adult population receiving that benefit. We've been second only to West Virginia for at least 30 years. And they said, well, we're looking for someone who can come in and evaluate the system, understand how it works, and understand why Kentucky has so many people receiving it. Is this a job that you think that you could do?
And I said, I don't know, but I'll sure give it my best try, and it's an honor to be considered. I'll take it. So in February of 17, I went in and began to lead Kentucky's Social Security Disability System. My first job was to understand why things were the way they were.
I assembled a team of high-caliber intellects who had years, decades, of policy experience with the Social Security Disability Program. And I wrote down 19 different statistical metrics that I wish for us to evaluate around the enrollment into the Social Security Disability Program as well as different socioeconomic factors which were unique to Kentucky.
And in October of 2017, we issued what was the very first of its kind retrospective study of the evolution of the Social Security Disability Program in Kentucky covering the years 1980 through 2015. And here were some of the statistics that were the highlights of that report. Between 1980 and 2015, Kentucky's population grew 20%. Enrollment in the Social Security Disability Program grew 249%.
Childhood enrollment. Now, these are children who are under the age of 18. Most of them come from highly impoverished backgrounds where there's very little opportunity to have what we can consider to be a conventional healthy childhood. Childhood enrollment grew 449% over those 35 years.
We paired the enrollment statistics with the state's Medicaid database, which tracked the issuance of every single pill that was capable of habituation to the state's SSI Medicaid population. Between 2001 and 2015, the issuance of prescription opioids to adults within the Social Security Disability System grew 210% from 47 doses per adult to 147 doses per adult.
The issuance of habituating psychotropic medications to children whether it was amphetamine, whether it was antidepressant, anything that could create physiological dependence grew 168% from 275 doses per child to 457 doses per SSI Medicaid child. My first month on the job,
we had the Social Security Administration's federal liaison to the state of Kentucky come in for what was called the home agency visit. This was a semi-annual review of the state's Social Security Disability Program and the way in which it was meeting federal performance standards.
I wish that I had had a recording of this meeting when it occurred because this person gave me a gift of truth right off the bat. I assembled the management team. I was sitting at the end of the table, and this person began by saying, folks, claims are down, and that's bad. because claims equal budget.
I came to learn that the Social Security Disability Program was not necessarily run primarily for the benefit of the Social Security Disability recipients. It was run for the perpetual expansion of the SSA's own bureaucracy and that while Social Security disability benefits represented 16% of benefit payments within the system, it consumed 45% of the agency's budget.
In order to get more money, you must have more recipients, despite the nature of those outcomes. I came to also run the state's child support enforcement system. Within that role, it was perceived that the state was not delivering child support payments to children. It is the largest single anti-poverty program, not just in Kentucky, but in the country.
Direct payment transfers from an obligated parent to the custodial parent. It was believed that there were a number of deadbeat dads who were just not paying the bill. And what I came to find out was that those officials who were responsible for running the program, and in Kentucky that was 120 individually elected county attorneys, in fact, had some systemic issues.
There were a cohort of county attorneys who were running that program perfectly. There was another cohort that were running it with some degree of success, but not necessarily at top performance. And then there was another group that were running their operations horribly. I discovered that within the cohort of 117 elected officials, 40 of them
owned their own property, which they then turned around and charged the child support program rent. Essentially, federal and state tax dollars through rent payments were going to allow for the acquisition of private real estate equity interest by elected officials at the county level, something that was immediately ended when I came into that job.
Governor Bevin lost his race for re-election in 2019, and because of some of the measures that were taken to bring accountability, transparency, and performance expectations to that child support program, I was terminated from my job on hour one of day one of the administration of newly elected Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear.
I was picked up by a gentleman who is my dear friend by the name of Daniel Cameron, who had been elected Attorney General in 2019. He asked that I run his Office of Medicaid Fraud and Abuse Control, a law enforcement office which investigates and prosecutes medical providers for being engaged in fraud against the state's Medicaid system. This coincided with the onset of COVID.
I brought in a deputy by the name of Matt Kleinert, who was a Medicaid policy expert. And over the course of two years, despite the shutdown of the state's court system, we doubled the number. of criminal indictments and convictions of medical providers on that system.
A significant portion of that caseload was comprised of providers of opioid maintenance treatments who were using their clinics, which were intended to help those who were struggling with opioid addiction, as glorified drug dealing operations which fomented the diversion of Suboxone in every little town and county in Kentucky.
and it was an eye-opening experience to recognize the predators within this universe of operation that is supposed to be restorative and helpful to people in recovery. Because of the way in which I believe I had developed a reputation as a no-nonsense, get-it-done public servant, the Deputy Attorney General at the time, his name was Barry Dunn,
asked me if I would have any interest in running the state's opioid commission. The Kentucky legislature had set up a framework to administer what is now $1 billion in settlements from opioid distributors and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. While the people at home are wonderful and beautiful,
Many of the conditions that exist there exist because of how terribly Kentucky state government has functioned since the end of the Civil War. Kentucky in many categories is first where one would wish to be last and last where folks would wish to be first.
It has one of the highest rates of childhood poverty in the country, one of the highest rates of child abuse in the country, one of the highest rates of parental incarceration in the country, one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the country, all of the tender and material that is necessary to create the devastation associated with the opioid epidemic.
Kentucky was like a drought-stricken forest, and OxyContin was the lightning bolt that set it on fire in 1996. Like Louisiana, there has been a history of systemic political corruption which has impaired the ability to produce progress for our people. So when I was asked if I had an interest in doing that job, I said, well, this is a very treacherous opportunity.
Because with this amount of money coming in, there's going to be a lot of buzzards gathering around the wagon who are ready to pick the bones clean. If y'all will let me set up this commission and run it in a way that is accessible, accountable, and transparent to the people of Kentucky, I would be privileged to have the opportunity to do it.
Mr. Dunn looked at me and said, we wouldn't have it any other way. I had to go through an interview process. And through that process, the question was asked, what do we need to do with that money? And I said, well, let's recognize that while $842 million is a tremendous sum of money to the average ear, it's going to be paid to this state over 15 years.
At its height, Purdue Pharma was making $100 million a month off the sales of OxyContin. This settlement represents roughly eight and a half months of OxyContin sales, but we're going to be getting it over 15 years.
These are crumbs off the tables of gluttons, and we have got to make sure that this one-time non-recurring revenue stream is utilized for its maximum best impact to pull this state out of this travesty.
And I said, one thing that we have got to look for is an opportunity to develop a breakthrough therapeutic that can deliver materially better outcomes than what we are getting with our existing system. Our existing system is unacceptably mediocre, and it is necessary if we're going to change generational dynamics to improve upon what we have.
We've got to look for Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid addiction. And I said, I don't know what that is, but I'm going to get to looking. In 2018, I came into knowledge of the psilocybin mushroom.
and the way in which it has profound impacts on treatment-resistant anxiety and depression, and in the case of me in particular with my family's history, alcoholism. And I followed developments around its research applications over the next several years.
I came into contact with an author who goes by the pen name of Juliana Christina, who wrote beautifully about her own experiences with the psilocybin mushroom, which helped her overcome a lifetime of debility anchored in anxiety, depression, and a near fatal eating disorder. On July the 29th, 2022, I reached out to her and I said, hey. This is who I am. I've been given this job.
What can you tell me about the universe of psychedelics and whether there is anything that shows special application or impact for opioid dependency? She said, have you ever heard of Ibogaine? I said, I had not. She said, I'm going to put you in touch with a woman by the name of Juliana Mulligan. You tell her that I sent you and ask her to tell you her story.
So I reached out to Juliana, told her who I was, and I said, tell me your story. Juliana proceeded to tell me about her life with addiction as a young American woman. She herself had been a heroin addict. She had been incarcerated. She had been homeless. And at one point in time, She moved to Columbia to teach English as a second language.
And while there, she discovered that Columbia has open pharmacies that are unregulated. She said that she was able to go into a pharmacy in Columbia and get as much of what she wanted whenever she wanted. And she did. And she said one morning that she woke up and looked in the mirror and she said, I knew that I was going to die. This was it. And I was desperate to give myself a chance to live.
And she said I had done every form of treatment that was known. I did abstinence. I did Suboxone. And she said what they didn't tell me about Suboxone was if you try to take yourself off of it, Suboxone withdrawal made my heroin withdrawal look like a cakewalk. It was one of the most horrific experiences I ever had in my life.
She said, I found about this Ibogaine called, this alkaloid called Ibogaine through online internet research. And she said, what I didn't know was that there are a number of operations that operate within the underground that don't necessarily adhere to the necessary safety practices to assure that this treatment can both be safe and effective. She said, I made my way to Guatemala.
I was in the hands of a practitioner who didn't know what they were doing. And I was given double the dose that I should have received. She said, I went into cardiac arrest six times and nearly died. She said, I remember waking up in the intensive care unit of a Guatemalan hospital, and she said, I felt the best I ever felt in my entire life.
Juliana put me in touch with a lady by the name of Adriana Kircher in New York City, who at the time ran a boutique law firm called the Plant Medicine Law Firm. Adriana and I had a brief introductory conversation. I told her, I said, I want to learn as much as I possibly can about Ibogaine. I've spoken with Juliana, and this sounds too good to be true.
I want to know if there's any legitimacy about this, and if so, perhaps what the state of Kentucky can do to move the needle on its development. She said, I have a Rolodex of people that I think could be helpful to you. Who would you like to meet? I said, well, I don't know the names of folks around this.
I can just give you generally the category of folks that I would love to be able to speak with. I need to know who the foremost academic and medical researchers of this compound are. I need to understand the existence of any activist organizations that would have particular cultural relevance to Kentucky, a profoundly politically conservative and religiously fundamentalist state.
And I said, finally, I need to know whether there are any philanthropists who are willing to support or who have an interest in an opportunity that may exist around Ibogaine. She said, all right, let me get to work. She said, would you be willing to travel to New York City if I hosted a dinner party for you? And I said, yes, but on one condition.
I said, I work in a deeply politically conservative office, and I'm pretty sure I've got some people around me who would be ready to cut my head off if they knew that I was even sniffing around the area of psychedelics for a potential treatment.
I said, if I come, this has to be done completely confidentially, and everybody must take a vow of silence until such time as I can decide whether or not this is something to present to the office. My wife and I, along with one of my close friends by the name of Scott Hornbuckle, who was also an advisor to the commission who I brought in, traveled to New York City on December 5th of 2022.
On December 9th, we had this dinner party. I met with these individuals who had gathered, the researchers, the philanthropists, veteran activists who had gathered around Ibogaine. as well as the application of other psychedelics for the treatment of war-related trauma.
When I got home to Kentucky on December 11th, they opened up their networks and put me in touch with Amber and Marcus Capone, Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and all other folks who have gathered around Ibogaine to push for its accessibility within the U.S. medical system.
On January 31st of 23, I gave a presentation to Attorney General Cameron and I said, I believe we have found Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity. And I laid out what the concrete realities are of Ibogaine, and they are three. Number one.
It resolves physiological substance dependence on an accelerated timeframe in a manner that frees an individual from the physical consequences of their dependencies. Number two, it has a profound psychological effect for the individual, whereby on the back end of treatment, having been physiologically restored, they have a sense of ownership over their self and their future,
whereby they will live a life that is defined by choice rather than compulsion, and that is a fundamental quality that one must have if they are going to rebuild their life. Finally, and most significantly,
Many people, the overwhelming majority of folks who have an Ibogaine experience, come away with an affirmation that they are a spiritual being who is made in the image of an eternal creator whose essence is pure and unconditional love, and that that creator has conferred a special and unique purpose on their life to be achieved. When those three qualities were properly understood,
Attorney General Cameron blessed me to lead the commission on the exploration of setting aside $42 million, 5% of the state's settlement funds, to create a public-private partnership.
whereby a drug developer would match the state's investment on the front end by assuming all legal, logistical, and financial risks associated with securing the FDA's approval to pursue clinical research trials for the development of Ibogaine as a breakthrough therapeutic treatment for opioid use disorder, co-occurring substance use disorder, and any other mental health conditions for which it demonstrated efficacy.
We had a high-profile public announcement on May 31, 2023, to announce this exploration. We conducted three very high-profile public hearings, each of which lasted about five hours, about all aspects of Ibogaine. These hearings are available online as a formal part of the public record for anyone to view. The first hearing involved the science of Ibogaine.
It included the testimony of Dr. Nolan Williams, Dr. Kenneth Alper, and Dr. Deborah Mash, who has been a pioneer around the development of Ibogaine's application to opioid addiction for over 30 years now. We had a second public hearing, which involved the testimonials of individuals who had received, provided, or had sent loved ones for Ibogaine treatment.
All of this was done in a very high profile and publicly because we wanted the people of Kentucky to understand all Aspects of this opportunity its profundity and the way it could which it could transform not just the lives of their families But the future of this state that second public hearing was one of the most moving public proceedings of which I have ever been a part and I don't know how anyone in
could listen to those testimonials which included one from Governor Perry and come away with any other conclusion but that Ibogaine must be developed as expeditiously and safely as possible for the sake of our brothers and sisters in this country. The third hearing which occurred at the request of the University of Kentucky which along with Andy Beshear fought this proposal every step of the way
centered on the question of whether the fda would even consider approving clinical trials given what was repeatedly asserted as the unacceptable level of cardiac risk associated with its application
Within that hearing, we were able to procure the testimony of the scientist general who was in charge of controlled substances research at the FDA, a gentleman by the name of Dr. Javier Munez, along with his colleague, Dr. Walter Dunn, who sat on the FDA's advisory board of psychopharmacology. I believe he still sits on there.
And those gentlemen, after having heard the testimony as well as questioning from the University of Kentucky's representative, which suggested that the FDA would never approve it, began their testimony by saying, It has been asserted that the cardiac risk associated with Ibogaine would disqualify it from consideration by the FDA for clinical trials. That is absolutely and completely incorrect.
The question for Ibogaine is not one of the existence of risk. The question is how and if that risk can be mitigated. And assuming that the drug developer can demonstrate that cardiac risk can be safely mitigated and controlled, there is no reason that we would not approve that clinical trial. And with that, the chief objection was nuked.
We had one last piece of due diligence to perform before my commission, which had a membership of nine, was ready to cast a deciding vote to secure the allocation of this $42 million for what was going to be a fabulous leadership opportunity for the people of Kentucky to pioneer an entirely new field of biomedical research.
That will revolutionize how we treat not just addiction, but the problems that we have all sat here and talked about already. And that was the delivery of testimony from Dr. Nolan Williams following the publication of his research in the journal Nature Medicine about the neuroregenerative properties of abrogating the brain as applied to the veteran population with TBI and PTSD.
Unfortunately, there was an election in Kentucky in 2023. My boss, Attorney General Cameron, ran for governor and lost. Andy Beshear was reelected. and a new Kentucky Attorney General took office. And while this new guy had gone in public and had expressed his open-minded willingness to give Ibogaine consideration,
I had briefed him individually before we had our public announcement in anticipation that he would take office. After he won, I reached out and asked if I could have an opportunity to brief him on all of the developmental energy which had gathered around this project.
That energy included the commitment of two significant philanthropic organizations, one of which was the Jurvetson Foundation, led by Stephen and Genevieve Jurvetson, The other was the Stephen and Alexander Cohen Foundation, led by Stephen and Alexander Cohen, and then the third was the Melissa Etheridge Foundation, all of which made commitments to partner with Kentucky to make this come to pass.
We had secured the commitment of two drug developers who were willing to establish corporate presence in Kentucky and to anchor all of their research and development activity around its advanced therapeutic applications within that state. On the cusp of success, I was brought into a meeting on December 15th with the newly elected Attorney General and members of his transition team.
And what I thought was going to be an opportunity to explain and secure approval for the finalization of this project turned into an ambush meeting. in which it was demanded that I resigned for having been an unapologetic advocate for Ibogaine research, something that the new Attorney General found highly objectionable. I walked out of that meeting and was in shock and despair.
not over the loss of my job, I was always going to be able to find another job, but for the loss of the opportunity for the long suffering people at home who deserved to have an opportunity to transform their future with what Ibogaine has the potential to do for them individually and collectively. And what has been a tremendously providential blessing
Everything that happened in Kentucky was followed by a gentleman by the name of Rex Elsass. Mr. Elsass is an individual who in his prior life has been a high level Republican campaign ad producer. His firm is one of the top campaign producing ad companies for Republican candidates across the country, in the country.
Rex has a foundation called the Reed Foundation, which is named in honor of his son, Reed, who struggled for a decade with opioid addiction beginning when he was a 16-year-old in high school. Reed encountered plant medicine. with an ayahuasca five years before he passed away.
Rex became a believer in plant medicine because of the therapeutic response Reed experienced after that exposure to ayahuasca. Rex was introduced to me, ironically, by Melissa Etheridge in February of 23. He showed up at every Kentucky hearing, he showed up at our public announcement, and he said, whatever you need to help make this successful, I'm available to you anytime.
The Reed Foundation stands for rescuing everyone in distress because Reed, unfortunately and tragically in 2019, died of a fentanyl overdose. Rex became involved with the Kentucky movement because he believed had Reed had an opportunity to receive Ibogaine treatment, he would be alive today.
When I walked out of that meeting thinking that it was all over, I called Rex and I said, they've killed it. This is over. All that work and all that effort is vanished. He said, if I can procure opportunities for you,
to speak to what ibogaine can do to other elected officials across the country with whom i have relationships would you be willing to work with my foundation so that we can attempt to preserve what has been done here and transplant it to a state that has leadership with the vision and courage to complete the job that you have begun
Joe, at this point, I had staked everything that I had become by way of reputation and by way of knowledge on this opportunity. I came, just as Governor Perry has, to believe that this was the opportunity of a lifetime to generate tremendous progress on behalf of everyone who needs all of the restorative power that Ibogaine can deliver.
And I said, this is the mission of my life, and I will go anywhere, I will talk to anyone, and will do whatever is necessary to keep this alive.
And thank the Lord, with the leadership of Governor Perry and his allyship, here we sit on the cusp of an opportunity for the state of Texas to finish the job that was begun in Kentucky, and I hope and pray with all my might that that is exactly what we see happen over the course of the next five months.
Let's assume a successful outcome within the Texas legislature where a $50 million appropriation out of a projected $20 billion surplus comes to pass and is signed by Governor Abbott. Once that occurs, the very first step would be to issue a notice of funding opportunity to solicit proposals from drug developers who have the capacity to develop Ibogaine as a medication for opioid use disorder.
Within that notice of funding opportunity, a drug developer will be asked to provide information related to how they would design a clinical trial, how they would recruit clinical trial participants. how they would go about administering Ibogaine in such a way as to safely eliminate the cardiac risk so as to assure successful treatment outcomes without complication.
And as importantly, since we are talking about the use of the people's money, How the drug developer would propose to recognize the state of Texas' perpetual interest in any patentable intellectual property that is generated as a result of this project, people in your audience should know.
that buprenorphine, which is the generic name for brand-named suboxone, sublocate, and other derivatives, was created with a direct $62.5 million giveaway by the federal government to create the baseline compound. It was handed over to the pharmaceutical industry. Each company put its own twist on it, and then it proceeded to reap 100% of the return on the people's investment.
That cannot and will not happen around any project associated with Ibogaine that involves public money. There has to be return on investment to the state for the purposes of building out the treatment infrastructure that is needed to assure successful long-term outcomes.
Bearing in mind, Ibogaine gives a person the very best possible beginning that they can receive through physiological restoration to pursue what will still be a very long-term and difficult recovery process. that requires the delivery of long-term integration and support services that are necessary to help someone become equipped to rebuild their lives.
Once those proposals are solicited and reviewed, the drug developer that is best positioned to get this across the line who also demonstrates their financial capacity to match the state's investment will be selected. Once selected, the drug developer will assume all of the legal, financial and logistical risks associated with getting it all the way up to the FDA's approval mark.
Once the FDA signs off on the conduct of clinical trials, The money of the people of Texas will go to pay for the occurrence of those clinical trials in the state of Texas at medical facilities which are equipped with the requisite level of expertise related to cardiac intervention and cardiac support as well as anything and everything related to recovery for an individual who is opioid dependent.
The beautiful aspect of Texas, as I have come to learn, is the immense amount of fabulous medical expertise that exists here. Whether we're talking about the Texas Medical Center that is in Houston, which is just a marvelous human accomplishment.
And I will add one other thing, and this truly is fabulous. Considering where things were one year and one day ago, I sat down and wrote my resignation letter over this. While Texas stands the opportunity to be the leader, right now there are high-level organizational efforts underway.
to join Texas in this endeavor within the states of Ohio, Washington State, Arizona, which includes the involvement of outgoing U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, who's ready to roll up her sleeves and help activists there and researchers on the ground, including Dr. Sue Sisley, who's been at this for decades, New Mexico, Missouri.
All of these are states in which there are individuals who are committed to helping Texas finish the job that was begun in Kentucky. And for my people at home, I'm going to use this opportunity to say that there is one incredibly brave state legislature who is the only legislature elected physician to serve in the Kentucky legislature by the name of Senator Donald Douglas.
professional relationship. He was a vocal supporter and participant in the initiative itself. He appeared by video to give a testimonial about the immense potential around the development of Ibogaine. And he also was so wonderfully helpful as to procure an op-ed in Newsweek magazine in October of last year endorsing the initiative.
Senator Douglas recognizes, based on his medical training, what a profound opportunity this is. Dr. Douglas, along with some other concerned citizens within the state of Kentucky, aims to take up the gauntlet when the legislature reconvenes in January to see to it that Kentucky's opportunity to participate in this is salvaged.
And I look forward to doing whatever I can to help get my people at home right alongside Texas to make this a reality.
Amen. You have just hit for me what this is all about. We have sat here and talked about TBI and PTSD, the horrors and the cruelty of war that 20 years of conflict has put upon innocent young men and women of this country who have volunteered to go and lay their lives down for her who have had to come back and beg, beg. for access to what can alleviate their suffering.
We've sat here and talked about the opioid epidemic, its monstrosities, the way in which it is the gravest engineered humanitarian catastrophe to play out in this country's history. All of these are symptoms of profound spiritual affliction which is destroying the core of what the United States has always been.
The greatest attribute that Ibogaine has is its ability to affirm the reality of our human divinity. We are not the result of a random accident of astrophysics and chemistry.
We are the images of an eternal Creator who put us here for a purpose, to be able to see and perceive the Creator's majesty as reflected most especially within us as individual human beings who have received the gift of love, of perception, of discernment, and the ability to connect to the majestic eternal love of that Creator. Ibogaine delivers it. I can attest to the fact that it delivers it.
My wife and I traveled to Tijuana a year ago. She had been on Celexa for 21 years to manage symptoms of a profound mood disorder which manifested through psychotic mood swings that have affected her since the birth of her son. I have known her for 23 years. And when we decided, I'll back up to this.
If I were going to be an advocate for this, I thought that it was necessary to take my own medicine. If I'm going to get out here and advocate for it, I need to be brave enough to man up and to receive it. And so the week after Thanksgiving of last year,
By deliberate choice and at the invitation of Jonathan Dickinson and Trevor Miller, I traveled down to Tijuana along with my wife to receive Ibogaine to understand what it would do. My wife decided that she wished to receive it as well.
She is very much a left-brain rationalist and was not someone who came to the realm of psychedelics with any degree of enthusiasm, but she wanted to see if there was the potential that she could be freed of her necessity to take Celexa every day.
Before we went down, I was told that she would have to be completely Celexa free for five days because if the SSRI was in her system, it would defeat Ibogaine's therapeutic restoration. When they told me that, I was in despair because I said there is no way that I will ever be able to get her to Mexico after five days without Celexa.
In fact, if we go one day without her taking it, I can't be in the house with her. It is unbearable, it is dangerous, and it cannot happen. We will not be able to make it. They said, we're going to give you a regimen of supplementation to give her that will keep her stable. She's going to get edgy on you, but you'll get her down here. Joe, we went down there.
We received it on Tuesday evening, November the 28th. My wife took her last Celexa on November 23rd of 2023, and she has not had one since. Before we came here, we went to beyond. and we received Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT there as well, in order to understand how each operation effectuates the safe delivery of this medication.
and what I can personally attest for me and for her, collectively and together, Ibogaine paired with 5-MeO-DMT has been the most profound spiritual experience either of us have ever encountered. I am 100% persuaded that these substances are divine medications that are engineered from on high
so that we can heal what we do to ourselves, what we do to each other, and be affirmed by the love of our Creator, which is eternal and almighty. Amen.
They're there for a purpose. There is no greater gift we can give to our brothers and sisters in this society than to affirm the love of their Creator for them. Amen. If that had not been affirmed for me as a child, I would not be sitting here. It is the single most important thing that we can do.
And it's therapeutic benefits upon the physiology of the human being is another affirmation of the realities that we're sitting here talking about.
I agree. Anything else, gentlemen? One thing I'd like to add from a technical perspective, and then if it's all right, I'll finish out with some observations that I have come to through those years of service that we've discussed.
When it comes to how to do this, Governor Perry and I are able to recognize the blessing of a legion of people who've been working at this for decades in obscurity and at great risk. We will be able hopefully around this project to bring all those who have labored around Ibogaine for years now and to draw upon their expertise as to how best to deliver
what I would describe as the platinum standard model for an Ibogaine-based treatment and recovery system that maximizes all of its therapeutic benefits, whether they be for substance use disorder, polysubstance use disorder, TBI, PTSD, or other degenerative conditions that have significant detrimental impact on the brain. And I'll finish my part of this discussion with this.
We have sat here and talked about specific reality and the way in which public policy has impacted it and what its potentials are to generate human progress. As you know, there are a variety of faith traditions around the world which have common themes within them. Those themes are often told within those faith traditions as parables.
What your audience has listened to with us is a parable about contemporary American society and where we are. I think most folks would agree that we find ourselves in the midst of an existential struggle for this country's survival. We are living within the most beautifully dynamic multicultural society which has ever existed in human history.
For all of our material wealth and technological prowess, we are also living in a brutally dehumanizing era that is hostile to individual identity. Citizens are viewed as fungible revenue units who are plugged into a set of actuarial variables designed to reduce their lives to reasonably predictable revenue streams.
we find ourselves with massive government systems which enthrone themselves on the subjugation of powerless people. Those systems commodify problems that they are supposed to solve and they monetize sustained human misery. Government must be made to function honestly, accountably, and responsibly to the genuine needs of the American people.
Because if it does not, our society will inevitably collapse beneath the enormity of its corrupt decrepitudes. This is going to require a shift in social consciousness that is rooted and our universal kinship as images of an eternal creator whose essence is almighty, unconditional love for all of us.
As your listeners hear this episode, I hope that they will hope and pray for everyone who has gathered around this cause that we will be successful. Because if we are, we will hasten the day when we can deliver good titans unto the meek, bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. Lord, hasten the day.
And thank you for the privilege of sitting with you this afternoon. Thank you. It was my privilege.
He has been a tremendous supporter, mentor, and I am privileged to call him.
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