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In my head, I'm like, you're a fucking liar. You're a liar. Yeah.

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Damn. What if you ask it's something outside of your age-appropriate range? What do you want to ask? That's ballsy. What should we ask, Michael?

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Welcome back, everybody, and good morning. Today's episode, probably a darker topic than most people maybe want to start their Monday with, but I think it's incredibly important. I never shy away from these topics. I think they're critical. I think we have to have these conversations.

Welcome back, everybody, and good morning. Today's episode, probably a darker topic than most people maybe want to start their Monday with, but I think it's incredibly important. I never shy away from these topics. I think they're critical. I think we have to have these conversations.

They might've used the term second responders for your outfit. Yeah. So again, if there was a firefighter sitting here, I'd be using exactly the same thing, but just the other side of the coin.

They might've used the term second responders for your outfit. Yeah. So again, if there was a firefighter sitting here, I'd be using exactly the same thing, but just the other side of the coin.

You might actually believe it worked if that was 1905. Right. All right. Nowadays, I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. No, it's an interesting crew. My brother-in-law is a San Diego City Fire Captain. And actually, this episode won't come out probably for almost a month, actually, because we have a few backlog. But next week, we'll be in Canada snowboarding with them.

You might actually believe it worked if that was 1905. Right. All right. Nowadays, I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. No, it's an interesting crew. My brother-in-law is a San Diego City Fire Captain. And actually, this episode won't come out probably for almost a month, actually, because we have a few backlog. But next week, we'll be in Canada snowboarding with them.

It's true. It's like department-wide, East Coast, West Coast, it doesn't matter. There's going to be a guy who is a firefighter, just dick broom model.

It's true. It's like department-wide, East Coast, West Coast, it doesn't matter. There's going to be a guy who is a firefighter, just dick broom model.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're down like you can't see their front teeth. Sometimes I've seen it wrap under the chin, which I don't know how that works with a seal on a mask. And I don't care. It's not it's not my problem. Shooter's choice.

They're down like you can't see their front teeth. Sometimes I've seen it wrap under the chin, which I don't know how that works with a seal on a mask. And I don't care. It's not it's not my problem. Shooter's choice.

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Great for undercover work, but... God. Man. Okay, so, Pops, what a crazy area. Yeah, I was telling you on the walkover. I don't think people realize how active... in stretch than law enforcement is there and to include myself. So I was super fortunate. I happened to be in the area for a speech and a guy from the air division reached out, offered me a ride along. So I'm just sitting in the back.

Great for undercover work, but... God. Man. Okay, so, Pops, what a crazy area. Yeah, I was telling you on the walkover. I don't think people realize how active... in stretch than law enforcement is there and to include myself. So I was super fortunate. I happened to be in the area for a speech and a guy from the air division reached out, offered me a ride along. So I'm just sitting in the back.

I mean, it's like, I love rhetorical questions when people ask them to me. Hey, do you want to ride in the back of our LAPD helicopter? Yes. Yes, I do. And it was amazing. Their facility was cool. The number of helicopters they have were cool. And I don't know the exact number of radios. I'm going to guess it was something along. Actually, it probably wasn't radios, just frequencies. Five freaks.

I mean, it's like, I love rhetorical questions when people ask them to me. Hey, do you want to ride in the back of our LAPD helicopter? Yes. Yes, I do. And it was amazing. Their facility was cool. The number of helicopters they have were cool. And I don't know the exact number of radios. I'm going to guess it was something along. Actually, it probably wasn't radios, just frequencies. Five freaks.

But they certainly were on LAPD. I know for a fact they were on the sheriff's office frequency as well, probably fire. There was one frequency or channel that you could use to reach out directly to them and it would beep at them. And I think there was another one. In the three hours that we were flying, I am not joking.

But they certainly were on LAPD. I know for a fact they were on the sheriff's office frequency as well, probably fire. There was one frequency or channel that you could use to reach out directly to them and it would beep at them. And I think there was another one. In the three hours that we were flying, I am not joking.

There may have been a total combined time of 10 minutes where one of those radios was not active. And that helicopter was just all over the place. And people talk a lot about the gun laws in California. Almost every one of those calls was not necessarily gun violence, but kind of gun violence adjacent.

There may have been a total combined time of 10 minutes where one of those radios was not active. And that helicopter was just all over the place. And people talk a lot about the gun laws in California. Almost every one of those calls was not necessarily gun violence, but kind of gun violence adjacent.

Yeah. Or, you know, they would find it or they, Hey, they found a magazine or, Hey, and they're looking. And so, and it was, it was interesting. It was really cool to see how a little bit similar to us overseas. You can task shed stuff up because they have a better view. So they would work on coordination. You know, they were actually doing an aerial test.

Yeah. Or, you know, they would find it or they, Hey, they found a magazine or, Hey, and they're looking. And so, and it was, it was interesting. It was really cool to see how a little bit similar to us overseas. You can task shed stuff up because they have a better view. So they would work on coordination. You know, they were actually doing an aerial test.

They had surrounded the house, but they had them get on the, it must've been a very loud speaker and basically tell them to come out. I don't know how you don't have an entire block of people coming out of their home when that thing's circling overhead. Like I get that the light, the eye of God was on the house, but that thing was so loud. You could have heard it for blocks.

They had surrounded the house, but they had them get on the, it must've been a very loud speaker and basically tell them to come out. I don't know how you don't have an entire block of people coming out of their home when that thing's circling overhead. Like I get that the light, the eye of God was on the house, but that thing was so loud. You could have heard it for blocks.

There's just people just walking out. Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. I mean, you're talking the speaker on the helicopter. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the helicopters are loud. That speaker was louder. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, they're orbiting at a couple hundred feet. I don't know how you don't have everybody in an entire city block walking out with their arms up.

There's just people just walking out. Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. I mean, you're talking the speaker on the helicopter. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the helicopters are loud. That speaker was louder. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, they're orbiting at a couple hundred feet. I don't know how you don't have everybody in an entire city block walking out with their arms up.

All they hear is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they come out of their house.

All they hear is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they come out of their house.

back in those guys were working it though it was cool to see it was cool to see and you could tell that the officers on the ground appreciated when they showed up overhead absolutely because they actually I think on almost every every they would kind of loiter and then when they would hear something or get called they would haul ass and obviously without having to hit stop signs and they can just go straight as opposed to zigzagging right but I think almost every time if not every time the units on the ground

back in those guys were working it though it was cool to see it was cool to see and you could tell that the officers on the ground appreciated when they showed up overhead absolutely because they actually I think on almost every every they would kind of loiter and then when they would hear something or get called they would haul ass and obviously without having to hit stop signs and they can just go straight as opposed to zigzagging right but I think almost every time if not every time the units on the ground

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specifically said, thank you, which is cool. You can tell that they appreciated it being overhead. It's like a super small gesture, but it would be really easy to not say. And so the fact that they went out of the way to say that, I'm like, all right, these guys, they have a good relationship.

specifically said, thank you, which is cool. You can tell that they appreciated it being overhead. It's like a super small gesture, but it would be really easy to not say. And so the fact that they went out of the way to say that, I'm like, all right, these guys, they have a good relationship.

9.6. That is 8.7 times more population than the state of Montana. Yeah.

9.6. That is 8.7 times more population than the state of Montana. Yeah.

It's unbelievable. And then if you add San Diego to that, that's going to be another probably six to seven million. You're talking 15 million people easy in the first 120 miles north of the southern border of the US.

It's unbelievable. And then if you add San Diego to that, that's going to be another probably six to seven million. You're talking 15 million people easy in the first 120 miles north of the southern border of the US.

So my decided on my own, my dad wanted me to be a firefighter. I don't, do you, do you need us to cut that out of the episode? No. Michael, let's make note of this. I think that was an error. Yeah.

So my decided on my own, my dad wanted me to be a firefighter. I don't, do you, do you need us to cut that out of the episode? No. Michael, let's make note of this. I think that was an error. Yeah.

It is reasonable fears and unreasonable fears. Fires, fires are scary. Yeah. If you don't like tight spaces and you don't like masks and you don't like heat. Yeah. You probably shouldn't be either like a chef or a firefighter.

It is reasonable fears and unreasonable fears. Fires, fires are scary. Yeah. If you don't like tight spaces and you don't like masks and you don't like heat. Yeah. You probably shouldn't be either like a chef or a firefighter.

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Looking back, do you think that's a touch young for that job?

Looking back, do you think that's a touch young for that job?

Jesus. You're still 18, though.

Jesus. You're still 18, though.

And I'm going to add to that, I think we have to talk about the burden that this type of occupation places on the individuals. I'm not so sure... Actually, I'm positive. It's not for everybody. And I think there's a maximum exposure. My guest today is Garrett Maxey. He is a special victims unit detective, been in law enforcement for 12 years in the Idaho area.

And I'm going to add to that, I think we have to talk about the burden that this type of occupation places on the individuals. I'm not so sure... Actually, I'm positive. It's not for everybody. And I think there's a maximum exposure. My guest today is Garrett Maxey. He is a special victims unit detective, been in law enforcement for 12 years in the Idaho area.

Where, so there's, I know the San Quentin, Where are the other prisons in Cali? There's one up by Monterey. Right. It's basically the time you see the don't pick up hitchhiker signs. Yeah. Oh, yeah, 100%. You're driving through. Well, at least you got a pretty view there. Yeah. The desert. I'm trying to think. East of San Diego, I think there's one out in the desert. Yeah. Actually, you know what?

Where, so there's, I know the San Quentin, Where are the other prisons in Cali? There's one up by Monterey. Right. It's basically the time you see the don't pick up hitchhiker signs. Yeah. Oh, yeah, 100%. You're driving through. Well, at least you got a pretty view there. Yeah. The desert. I'm trying to think. East of San Diego, I think there's one out in the desert. Yeah. Actually, you know what?

There's a prison under where I used to skydive. Not directly under. Oh, no way. If you tried... You could make the yard, and I don't think you should try that at all. Nah. Okay, so southern San Diego, up in San Fran. How does that work? How do you – what's – If you're going to be held for a short period of time, do you go to jail? If it's more serious, you go to prison?

There's a prison under where I used to skydive. Not directly under. Oh, no way. If you tried... You could make the yard, and I don't think you should try that at all. Nah. Okay, so southern San Diego, up in San Fran. How does that work? How do you – what's – If you're going to be held for a short period of time, do you go to jail? If it's more serious, you go to prison?

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I don't know if I support that. I don't either. I would need to know why somebody was in prison for 40 years. And if it was super fucked up, maybe you don't get a radio.

I don't know if I support that. I don't either. I would need to know why somebody was in prison for 40 years. And if it was super fucked up, maybe you don't get a radio.

And yeah, I'm not saying I want to participate in any of the application of my concept. I'm just saying, I don't think a guy in prison for 40 years for something super fucked up should get a radio.

And yeah, I'm not saying I want to participate in any of the application of my concept. I'm just saying, I don't think a guy in prison for 40 years for something super fucked up should get a radio.

Does that just become a waste of time for cops?

Does that just become a waste of time for cops?

Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to see the stats on that. I'd love to see how many of them actually show up to their designated court hearing.

Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to see the stats on that. I'd love to see how many of them actually show up to their designated court hearing.

Yeah, yeah. How does that happen? How does somebody sit down and say, you know, here's a good idea? Yeah. The rape of an unconscious person, you know, it just doesn't sound as bad. Maybe it shouldn't be a felony. Who in their right mind says that?

Yeah, yeah. How does that happen? How does somebody sit down and say, you know, here's a good idea? Yeah. The rape of an unconscious person, you know, it just doesn't sound as bad. Maybe it shouldn't be a felony. Who in their right mind says that?

That's what I'm trying to do. And I don't understand how you could arrive at a place where you would make the punishment for that less severe. Right. But it's a nonviolent crime.

That's what I'm trying to do. And I don't understand how you could arrive at a place where you would make the punishment for that less severe. Right. But it's a nonviolent crime.

But then how do more than 50% of people vote for that? Or maybe it's not 50% of people, just the majority. So I don't under, I mean, there's probably my recollection of California. There were so many different propositions and bills.

But then how do more than 50% of people vote for that? Or maybe it's not 50% of people, just the majority. So I don't under, I mean, there's probably my recollection of California. There were so many different propositions and bills.

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Those two subscriptions are pretty cool. I am a member of both of those, and I appreciate both for what they are. I get the normal beans and then the exclusive ones as well. Looks like they also have rounds. For those of you, I'm going to call those K-cups if I'm wrong on that. I don't know. I don't drink coffee this way because I don't hate myself.

Well, it's a good way to decrease crime. It's by lowering the threshold as what's reported a crime.

Well, it's a good way to decrease crime. It's by lowering the threshold as what's reported a crime.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and I don't know a whole lot about the career of sheriffs other than through my local touch points. And I've seen a good buddy of mine. He navigates through, he did a drug task force. He is, uh, went back to working on patrol. He augments his, uh, I don't think he has a paramedic qual. EMT, maybe? He rides around in the technical rescue helicopter as well.

Well, and I don't know a whole lot about the career of sheriffs other than through my local touch points. And I've seen a good buddy of mine. He navigates through, he did a drug task force. He is, uh, went back to working on patrol. He augments his, uh, I don't think he has a paramedic qual. EMT, maybe? He rides around in the technical rescue helicopter as well.

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They have a deputy in that for as well. He's a detective now, which is shocking, and I feel like crime is not being solved because he doesn't pay attention to a lot. I feel like he could be surprised by his own shadow sometimes. So yeah, if crime is actually up in the valley, I would actually probably look in that direction. But so he's navigated around a little bit.

They have a deputy in that for as well. He's a detective now, which is shocking, and I feel like crime is not being solved because he doesn't pay attention to a lot. I feel like he could be surprised by his own shadow sometimes. So yeah, if crime is actually up in the valley, I would actually probably look in that direction. But so he's navigated around a little bit.

So of all the type of stuff that you could get into. Yeah. How did you find your way into the ICAC stuff? Which for people listening means internet crimes against children. Which to me, when I hear shit like that, I'm like thinking the darkest, deepest, most fucked up shit that human beings do.

So of all the type of stuff that you could get into. Yeah. How did you find your way into the ICAC stuff? Which for people listening means internet crimes against children. Which to me, when I hear shit like that, I'm like thinking the darkest, deepest, most fucked up shit that human beings do.

And I, it leaves me feeling pretty gross, you know, kind of a shared sentiment, law enforcement, wild, like, yeah, not that you don't want to be there to help, but it, that it takes a special type of person to be able to tolerate that. Yeah, I'd say so.

And I, it leaves me feeling pretty gross, you know, kind of a shared sentiment, law enforcement, wild, like, yeah, not that you don't want to be there to help, but it, that it takes a special type of person to be able to tolerate that. Yeah, I'd say so.

Yeah. It's just. Almost everybody I've talked to, there's a, they can, they believe people can change. Yeah. There's some pathway to forgiveness. And then you bring up things with little kids and they're like, no, no, kill that motherfucker. Yeah. Right. It's the wildest thing. Obviously, I don't condone that. I do. I 100 percent.

Yeah. It's just. Almost everybody I've talked to, there's a, they can, they believe people can change. Yeah. There's some pathway to forgiveness. And then you bring up things with little kids and they're like, no, no, kill that motherfucker. Yeah. Right. It's the wildest thing. Obviously, I don't condone that. I do. I 100 percent.

And I wish that they would federally allow me to do that because I feel like it's a service not being fucking utilized. But almost everybody has that line.

And I wish that they would federally allow me to do that because I feel like it's a service not being fucking utilized. But almost everybody has that line.

Give it to me.

Give it to me.

Well... I was going to say, have you tried making out with a dude for science? I haven't. Still open to that, yes. So how do you know? I don't. I don't. So you live in the gray area. You don't even fucking know. You don't even believe in science. It's hard to believe sometimes. I guess. Hard to believe sometimes. Yeah, I don't know. There is something in that step.

Well... I was going to say, have you tried making out with a dude for science? I haven't. Still open to that, yes. So how do you know? I don't. I don't. So you live in the gray area. You don't even fucking know. You don't even believe in science. It's hard to believe sometimes. I guess. Hard to believe sometimes. Yeah, I don't know. There is something in that step.

And the fact, you know, one of the things that is, again, it falls in line with that. How does this person or a person sit down and go, you okay? Rape of an unconscious person. We should probably round the edges on that and make the punishment less severe. The attempt to change pedophiles into a minor attracted individual is like a fucking razor blade on my skin.

And the fact, you know, one of the things that is, again, it falls in line with that. How does this person or a person sit down and go, you okay? Rape of an unconscious person. We should probably round the edges on that and make the punishment less severe. The attempt to change pedophiles into a minor attracted individual is like a fucking razor blade on my skin.

I can't believe that anybody would try to round the edges on that. Right. Right.

I can't believe that anybody would try to round the edges on that. Right. Right.

Oh, fuck, every day. And the problem is, he hears it, too. I was just going to say, does he hear it? Oh, my God. He wants to do merchandise. He has started... Were you there when he was telling... I think he was telling Leah, oh yeah, Flintlock. That's what everybody calls me. And I said to him, what?

Oh, fuck, every day. And the problem is, he hears it, too. I was just going to say, does he hear it? Oh, my God. He wants to do merchandise. He has started... Were you there when he was telling... I think he was telling Leah, oh yeah, Flintlock. That's what everybody calls me. And I said to him, what?

It fucking should because it's so horrible. Right.

It fucking should because it's so horrible. Right.

It leads people to believe that there's consent. And even in adult pornography, there's an argument to be made. There's a trafficking aspect of that. There's a monetary aspect of it. Consent. Yeah. Okay. Right. So in, how about this though? A child can't consent.

It leads people to believe that there's consent. And even in adult pornography, there's an argument to be made. There's a trafficking aspect of that. There's a monetary aspect of it. Consent. Yeah. Okay. Right. So in, how about this though? A child can't consent.

God. And everybody's known about the older creepy dudes forever and ever. Right. You know, the worst advice we give our kids. What's that? Stranger danger. How so? It's almost always somebody you fucking know. It's not a stranger. Yeah. I mean, I'll talk about this broadly because it just happened, but at the coffee shop where I met you, most of our staff is younger women. Okay.

God. And everybody's known about the older creepy dudes forever and ever. Right. You know, the worst advice we give our kids. What's that? Stranger danger. How so? It's almost always somebody you fucking know. It's not a stranger. Yeah. I mean, I'll talk about this broadly because it just happened, but at the coffee shop where I met you, most of our staff is younger women. Okay.

There is an interesting occurrence of older fucking men making comments. They are lucky that I haven't been there to hear one because I would come over the fucking counter. Yeah, man. And for the younger women, I worry because they're not recognizing – the slight pushing of boundaries to see what somebody can get away with. They're testing the water. Right. Make a little bit of a comment.

There is an interesting occurrence of older fucking men making comments. They are lucky that I haven't been there to hear one because I would come over the fucking counter. Yeah, man. And for the younger women, I worry because they're not recognizing – the slight pushing of boundaries to see what somebody can get away with. They're testing the water. Right. Make a little bit of a comment.

We had an incident where an older man was soliciting for hugs from the barista. And it breaks my heart because I want the people to understand that there's no reason for that. I don't give a fuck if that person reminds you of your grandfather because it's not. It's a random stranger. Notice they're not asking for hugs from everybody.

We had an incident where an older man was soliciting for hugs from the barista. And it breaks my heart because I want the people to understand that there's no reason for that. I don't give a fuck if that person reminds you of your grandfather because it's not. It's a random stranger. Notice they're not asking for hugs from everybody.

Notice that once you said yes the first time, it became more progressive. Notice that there was a phone number that was given to you after that. It's predation. Exactly. Exactly. I wish they would do it when I was there. Yeah, man. It's, I mean... But it worries me because... It wasn't recognized by the person it was happening to. And I had a conversation with the person about it.

Notice that once you said yes the first time, it became more progressive. Notice that there was a phone number that was given to you after that. It's predation. Exactly. Exactly. I wish they would do it when I was there. Yeah, man. It's, I mean... But it worries me because... It wasn't recognized by the person it was happening to. And I had a conversation with the person about it.

Yeah, because I called that episode Flintlock Friday because that was the technology that was current when he was fucking young. He goes, yeah, everybody calls me Flintlock. And I said, dad, not a single person anywhere is calling you Flintlock. And he says, that's not what I heard. And I'm like, where did you hear that from? And he goes, you know, just the people. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because I called that episode Flintlock Friday because that was the technology that was current when he was fucking young. He goes, yeah, everybody calls me Flintlock. And I said, dad, not a single person anywhere is calling you Flintlock. And he says, that's not what I heard. And I'm like, where did you hear that from? And he goes, you know, just the people. Oh, yeah.

And then I ejected for life the person associated because it happened to be in the store. Oh, man. And they approached me. And Michael was in there for that. I forgot about that. He noticed my knife hand when I was discussing. You should have cruised over, Michael. It looked really funny. It would have been a nice learning.

And then I ejected for life the person associated because it happened to be in the store. Oh, man. And they approached me. And Michael was in there for that. I forgot about that. He noticed my knife hand when I was discussing. You should have cruised over, Michael. It looked really funny. It would have been a nice learning.

It was like a nice E5 fucking counseling, just up one side and down the other with instructions to get your coffee and get the fuck out of here. Yeah. But stranger danger. I mean, you probably know the stats. Again, we'll get into the stuff that you were working on, but I bet more often than not, it probably wasn't a total stranger. Yeah. No, and you're 110% right.

It was like a nice E5 fucking counseling, just up one side and down the other with instructions to get your coffee and get the fuck out of here. Yeah. But stranger danger. I mean, you probably know the stats. Again, we'll get into the stuff that you were working on, but I bet more often than not, it probably wasn't a total stranger. Yeah. No, and you're 110% right.

There is the internet shit where they try to off-platform. Right. But it's like this fucking creepy uncle, you know?

There is the internet shit where they try to off-platform. Right. But it's like this fucking creepy uncle, you know?

Yeah. See, and that's a tool where maybe stranger danger actually is becoming more real because those tools didn't exist when you and I were growing up. Right, right. Like a dude who was kinked out on shit that is just horrendous, but they lived in... Florida, weird shit happens in Florida. I think we can all agree upon that. Florida man's a real thing. He is a feature, not a bug.

Yeah. See, and that's a tool where maybe stranger danger actually is becoming more real because those tools didn't exist when you and I were growing up. Right, right. Like a dude who was kinked out on shit that is just horrendous, but they lived in... Florida, weird shit happens in Florida. I think we can all agree upon that. Florida man's a real thing. He is a feature, not a bug.

Um, so let's just say Florida and you lived in California, right? 0% chance of having to worry about that. Correct. Now it's totally different.

Um, so let's just say Florida and you lived in California, right? 0% chance of having to worry about that. Correct. Now it's totally different.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. On the like online enticement? Yes. That makes more sense because they grew up with that tool. That's my thinking too. Yeah. That's my thinking too.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. On the like online enticement? Yes. That makes more sense because they grew up with that tool. That's my thinking too. Yeah. That's my thinking too.

I mean, if I try to apply this to my father, he wouldn't be able to entice anything because he'd be DMing Michael, you know, accidental pictures of his feet from his sofa, which let me tell you, nobody wants to see those Raven claws. 50 years of feet and rugby boots. You know what I mean, Michael? No, I didn't see the picture, thankfully.

I mean, if I try to apply this to my father, he wouldn't be able to entice anything because he'd be DMing Michael, you know, accidental pictures of his feet from his sofa, which let me tell you, nobody wants to see those Raven claws. 50 years of feet and rugby boots. You know what I mean, Michael? No, I didn't see the picture, thankfully.

I heard you, to totally tangent, I heard you scored another try playing rugby. I did. In practice. Let's clarify. In practice. What I hear when he says that is he was out on a field by himself with a ball running around, and he scored what he thought was basically a touchdown, but in rugby.

I heard you, to totally tangent, I heard you scored another try playing rugby. I did. In practice. Let's clarify. In practice. What I hear when he says that is he was out on a field by himself with a ball running around, and he scored what he thought was basically a touchdown, but in rugby.

Essentially, that's what happened. That's what I told Leah today. Because she was all excited. Oh, I heard Michael scored another try. We were at breakfast today. It's like my middle son's home from college. And these two fucksticks are over at the house with my dad. He could watch rugby for 10 centuries straight. And they're talking about all these drills.

Essentially, that's what happened. That's what I told Leah today. Because she was all excited. Oh, I heard Michael scored another try. We were at breakfast today. It's like my middle son's home from college. And these two fucksticks are over at the house with my dad. He could watch rugby for 10 centuries straight. And they're talking about all these drills.

That dude tried to tell me. So did he follow you, Michael? No. Okay. So he did a recent episode. We were talking about Instagram. Okay. Two days later. My sister hits me up over text and says, I think somebody is pretending to be dad on Instagram because I just got this essentially non filled out account. But the name was Vaughn Stumpf and it just followed me.

That dude tried to tell me. So did he follow you, Michael? No. Okay. So he did a recent episode. We were talking about Instagram. Okay. Two days later. My sister hits me up over text and says, I think somebody is pretending to be dad on Instagram because I just got this essentially non filled out account. But the name was Vaughn Stumpf and it just followed me.

And yeah, Leah's all excited that Michael scored a try. I'm like, listen, there was nobody else there. Nobody was chasing him. Let's back it off the edge here a little bit. Yeah, that's basically what happened. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I tell her you are out in the field by our townhouse and that's where you score all the tries. Yeah. Nobody else is out there. I just do my own practices.

And yeah, Leah's all excited that Michael scored a try. I'm like, listen, there was nobody else there. Nobody was chasing him. Let's back it off the edge here a little bit. Yeah, that's basically what happened. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I tell her you are out in the field by our townhouse and that's where you score all the tries. Yeah. Nobody else is out there. I just do my own practices.

That's what I'm talking about. Put it on the board.

That's what I'm talking about. Put it on the board.

Yeah. So, stranger danger. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So how did you, so the guy was asking you, how can you not work these things? Was that kind of your intro? Kind of sorta. Yeah.

Yeah. So, stranger danger. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So how did you, so the guy was asking you, how can you not work these things? Was that kind of your intro? Kind of sorta. Yeah.

Pretty easy transfer. You don't have to go back through an Academy, any of that stuff. It's like a lateral Academy. Okay. Yeah. So it was like, I feel like that's a little bit of a gentleman's course. It was, I'll tell you what. I mean, so all the other California probably should be at a certain amount of experience level.

Pretty easy transfer. You don't have to go back through an Academy, any of that stuff. It's like a lateral Academy. Okay. Yeah. So it was like, I feel like that's a little bit of a gentleman's course. It was, I'll tell you what. I mean, so all the other California probably should be at a certain amount of experience level.

Listen, dude, we've played this game. Yeah.

Listen, dude, we've played this game. Yeah.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Yep.

Yep.

I moved from Southern California up here too. I totally understand what you're saying.

I moved from Southern California up here too. I totally understand what you're saying.

Is it still a felony, though? In Idaho? Okay. Oh, yeah. How about weed? It's still a misdemeanor. Michael, well, it's federally illegal. What is it? It's recreational and medicinal here, right? Yes. So that's not a misdemeanor at all? No, I don't think so. That's weird that it can be state legal, but federally legal. Yeah, I don't know how that works. I don't understand how it works either. Yeah.

Is it still a felony, though? In Idaho? Okay. Oh, yeah. How about weed? It's still a misdemeanor. Michael, well, it's federally illegal. What is it? It's recreational and medicinal here, right? Yes. So that's not a misdemeanor at all? No, I don't think so. That's weird that it can be state legal, but federally legal. Yeah, I don't know how that works. I don't understand how it works either. Yeah.

I'd say we're a couple of election cycles, though. I feel like they probably at some point will decriminalize weed. Probably. I think more than half the states are already at least medicinal, if not recreational. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah.

I'd say we're a couple of election cycles, though. I feel like they probably at some point will decriminalize weed. Probably. I think more than half the states are already at least medicinal, if not recreational. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah.

Just help out. Do you have to go to a different school or additional training to become a detective? Yes. What do they teach you? It's like basics of investigations. Okay. I think it could be... Like a process or are you... I mean... Not quite. Yeah. I mean... Not quite.

Just help out. Do you have to go to a different school or additional training to become a detective? Yes. What do they teach you? It's like basics of investigations. Okay. I think it could be... Like a process or are you... I mean... Not quite. Yeah. I mean... Not quite.

Again, I think people think Sherlock Holmes would be a non-fictional detective where you're out there and you're just leaping to conclusions and... A CSI laboratory can get your results in six minutes as opposed to six months. Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

Again, I think people think Sherlock Holmes would be a non-fictional detective where you're out there and you're just leaping to conclusions and... A CSI laboratory can get your results in six minutes as opposed to six months. Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

So we need to check to see if somebody is pretending to be dad online. This is the same time period he got his new phone. Okay. So of which he needs fucking help. So I'm over there and I was going to try to sneak Life 360 on there so I could track him and his wife. He is now agreeing that it's probably a good idea that it's on there.

So we need to check to see if somebody is pretending to be dad online. This is the same time period he got his new phone. Okay. So of which he needs fucking help. So I'm over there and I was going to try to sneak Life 360 on there so I could track him and his wife. He is now agreeing that it's probably a good idea that it's on there.

What kind of additional training do they, do they give you to prepare you for the shit you're going to see in the special victims or ICAC world?

What kind of additional training do they, do they give you to prepare you for the shit you're going to see in the special victims or ICAC world?

I think if they did that, somebody who went through something like that would just be like, yeah, I'll go back on the street.

I think if they did that, somebody who went through something like that would just be like, yeah, I'll go back on the street.

So when we find them in a park somewhere lost, we can go get them. I'm scrolling through the apps and I see the Instagram app on there. I'm like, hmm. Click on it. Von Stumpf, all lowercase, no profile picture, zero posts, following seven different versions of my name, none of which is the correct account, and my sister. So I started asking him about it. Dad, why'd you download Instagram?

So when we find them in a park somewhere lost, we can go get them. I'm scrolling through the apps and I see the Instagram app on there. I'm like, hmm. Click on it. Von Stumpf, all lowercase, no profile picture, zero posts, following seven different versions of my name, none of which is the correct account, and my sister. So I started asking him about it. Dad, why'd you download Instagram?

Did you ever roll up any of those guys, catch them? What are they like when you're sitting across the table from them? And I'm curious as to, I mean, obviously the, the, the internet lives forever to a degree, you know, that people try to obfuscate and hide stuff, but you know, there's white hackers or white hat hackers and all that stuff that help law enforcement.

Did you ever roll up any of those guys, catch them? What are they like when you're sitting across the table from them? And I'm curious as to, I mean, obviously the, the, the internet lives forever to a degree, you know, that people try to obfuscate and hide stuff, but you know, there's white hackers or white hat hackers and all that stuff that help law enforcement.

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He's like, I didn't. And his wife starts chiming in. You know he doesn't know how to do that. There's no way he did it. Like, do you think a fucking mouse came in here and started typing, you know, downloading Instagram? Finally, he admits, he's like, well, I was curious what it was. And I just started pushing buttons. I didn't know what I was doing. Like, you randomly, this is the...

He's like, I didn't. And his wife starts chiming in. You know he doesn't know how to do that. There's no way he did it. Like, do you think a fucking mouse came in here and started typing, you know, downloading Instagram? Finally, he admits, he's like, well, I was curious what it was. And I just started pushing buttons. I didn't know what I was doing. Like, you randomly, this is the...

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Because I imagine it like... you know, the matrix where he puts the fucking massive file down, Mr. Anderson and then winds it and flips it open and starts going through the pages. Do you lay it out for them or do they know they're fucked when they're sitting there anyway?

Because I imagine it like... you know, the matrix where he puts the fucking massive file down, Mr. Anderson and then winds it and flips it open and starts going through the pages. Do you lay it out for them or do they know they're fucked when they're sitting there anyway?

I suspect they have a pretty good suspicion.

I suspect they have a pretty good suspicion.

I wish it would happen more. I would again volunteer my services to any agency that needs help with this. I just need a blanket pardon and an address and an eight and a half by 11 glossy headshot.

I wish it would happen more. I would again volunteer my services to any agency that needs help with this. I just need a blanket pardon and an address and an eight and a half by 11 glossy headshot.

I condone pedophiles taking their own lives. I would be, I would feel comfortable going on record with that. I'm okay with the pedophile killing themselves. I don't say that. And I don't say that lightly. And there's very few things that I would be okay with that with, but somebody that harms children like that, fuck off into the sunset.

I condone pedophiles taking their own lives. I would be, I would feel comfortable going on record with that. I'm okay with the pedophile killing themselves. I don't say that. And I don't say that lightly. And there's very few things that I would be okay with that with, but somebody that harms children like that, fuck off into the sunset.

It's not a good experience. And I appreciate that. Even among criminals, there's honor among thieves. And from what I've heard from some people who are deeply in the know, it is a rough ride. No pun intended.

It's not a good experience. And I appreciate that. Even among criminals, there's honor among thieves. And from what I've heard from some people who are deeply in the know, it is a rough ride. No pun intended.

Right.

Right.

Michael.

Michael.

I believe I've seen you in both of those shirts often at the same time. We're going to need to open a case. First off, don't ever wear your Star Wars shirt again because that's what it means now. We're going to double leg anybody we see wearing a Star Wars shirt on the street. For the record, I don't have a Star Wars shirt. Yes, you do. I just want people to know that.

I believe I've seen you in both of those shirts often at the same time. We're going to need to open a case. First off, don't ever wear your Star Wars shirt again because that's what it means now. We're going to double leg anybody we see wearing a Star Wars shirt on the street. For the record, I don't have a Star Wars shirt. Yes, you do. I just want people to know that.

You know, the theory that if you gave a fleet of monkeys a typewriter, they would at some point produce Shakespeare's greatest works. Right. So randomly he claims he created an account with his name, which is V-A-U-G-H-N. A lot of people just put Vaughn, V-O-N. And I'm just – I can't – for whatever reason, he is emotionally unwilling to admit that he just created an Instagram account.

You know, the theory that if you gave a fleet of monkeys a typewriter, they would at some point produce Shakespeare's greatest works. Right. So randomly he claims he created an account with his name, which is V-A-U-G-H-N. A lot of people just put Vaughn, V-O-N. And I'm just – I can't – for whatever reason, he is emotionally unwilling to admit that he just created an Instagram account.

It's always anime or Star Wars. How do they act when you're laying it out and they realize they're fucked?

It's always anime or Star Wars. How do they act when you're laying it out and they realize they're fucked?

Jails patrol, major crimes, and what we talked a lot about was his time in ICAC, Internet Crimes Against Children. To me, this is the worst of the worst, what these people are exposed to. And I mean those who are trying to stop these individuals. What they're exposed to is unbelievable. I don't even have the vocabulary for the behaviors and activities of those that they are after.

Jails patrol, major crimes, and what we talked a lot about was his time in ICAC, Internet Crimes Against Children. To me, this is the worst of the worst, what these people are exposed to. And I mean those who are trying to stop these individuals. What they're exposed to is unbelievable. I don't even have the vocabulary for the behaviors and activities of those that they are after.

Right. Mr. Anderson. Right.

Right. Mr. Anderson. Right.

And finally, also there's a variety of probably other fucking legal means that you could get back at your wife if you wanted to. Right. Or don't be a dipshit. Maybe sit down and talk with your wife.

And finally, also there's a variety of probably other fucking legal means that you could get back at your wife if you wanted to. Right. Or don't be a dipshit. Maybe sit down and talk with your wife.

Right. Yeah, exactly.

Right. Yeah, exactly.

which still I don't think is quite enough, but it's enough. If every day somebody is wearing him like a condom while fucking somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. That's where my mind goes. I don't think he's having a good time. I hope it's the worst ever. Yeah. His not that it would be better if it was somebody who was unknown, his fucking niece. Yeah.

which still I don't think is quite enough, but it's enough. If every day somebody is wearing him like a condom while fucking somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. That's where my mind goes. I don't think he's having a good time. I hope it's the worst ever. Yeah. His not that it would be better if it was somebody who was unknown, his fucking niece. Yeah.

And again, this is where the stranger danger thing, we have to do a better job of, of presenting a realistic picture of where the danger comes from. And it might be coming more real because of the ability of the interconnectedness, but that story, that level of connection, somebody that you knew is so much more common in this, in the conversations that I've had than the random unknown. Yeah.

And again, this is where the stranger danger thing, we have to do a better job of, of presenting a realistic picture of where the danger comes from. And it might be coming more real because of the ability of the interconnectedness, but that story, that level of connection, somebody that you knew is so much more common in this, in the conversations that I've had than the random unknown. Yeah.

It's like upwards of 80% of abuse cases.

It's like upwards of 80% of abuse cases.

I did. I think I did have him follow you or I did that for him. So you might have a, a Vaughn stump following you. Okay. Maybe I haven't seen it, but I'll check the next day. He just, he's like, I don't know how to use this thing. I could just push buttons.

I did. I think I did have him follow you or I did that for him. So you might have a, a Vaughn stump following you. Okay. Maybe I haven't seen it, but I'll check the next day. He just, he's like, I don't know how to use this thing. I could just push buttons.

Go look through their rooms. Yeah, and that brings up an interesting – so answer as broadly as you need to. I'm curious in that – oh, you said it was adjudicated. Yes. But again, obviously, answer however you're most comfortable. In that situation, how was that uncle able to –

Go look through their rooms. Yeah, and that brings up an interesting – so answer as broadly as you need to. I'm curious in that – oh, you said it was adjudicated. Yes. But again, obviously, answer however you're most comfortable. In that situation, how was that uncle able to –

convince her that a, what was happening was normal in any way, shape or form and B get her to a place where the burner conversations, not telling an adult, how, how does that happen?

convince her that a, what was happening was normal in any way, shape or form and B get her to a place where the burner conversations, not telling an adult, how, how does that happen?

Well, I mean, there's a level of proximity. So we know how they met, right? It wasn't a creepy dude with an ice cream van down by the river. Correct. Which Michael would fall for 100% of the time, if I'm being honest. So it's not that, right? So they're probably fucking having Thanksgiving, whatever it may be, whatever. And so I'm fascinated how...

Well, I mean, there's a level of proximity. So we know how they met, right? It wasn't a creepy dude with an ice cream van down by the river. Correct. Which Michael would fall for 100% of the time, if I'm being honest. So it's not that, right? So they're probably fucking having Thanksgiving, whatever it may be, whatever. And so I'm fascinated how...

How do they convince the, maybe she was just too young to understand, but the burner phone, the sneaking out, how?

How do they convince the, maybe she was just too young to understand, but the burner phone, the sneaking out, how?

Yeah, the boundaries just get pushed and pushed and pushed, microscopically.

Yeah, the boundaries just get pushed and pushed and pushed, microscopically.

So my sister texts me a picture of his feet that he had sent to her accidentally while trying to text her, the camera icon popped up, captured a picture of his feet. And he's just like, I didn't know how to get off the screen. So I just kept heading the arrow button until it went away. So, and then here's the thing.

So my sister texts me a picture of his feet that he had sent to her accidentally while trying to text her, the camera icon popped up, captured a picture of his feet. And he's just like, I didn't know how to get off the screen. So I just kept heading the arrow button until it went away. So, and then here's the thing.

I don't think I have it. I also feel like the legal system should allow before they're sent to prison, somewhere between five to 30 minutes alone in the room with the person. And whatever happens, just kind of happens. It is what it is. You have a 30 minute pardon. Have that. What happens in here? We don't know. There's no cameras. There's no windows. The door locks from the outside.

I don't think I have it. I also feel like the legal system should allow before they're sent to prison, somewhere between five to 30 minutes alone in the room with the person. And whatever happens, just kind of happens. It is what it is. You have a 30 minute pardon. Have that. What happens in here? We don't know. There's no cameras. There's no windows. The door locks from the outside.

We're just going to put you in there and we'll be back in 30. Yeah.

We're just going to put you in there and we'll be back in 30. Yeah.

It's wild how well they can do. So in that instance, the parents found the burner phone. When people are into this type of shit, is there almost a community of people that communicate back and forth? I'm curious how a lot of the, I mean, the reality is, the hard, hard reality to absorb is,

It's wild how well they can do. So in that instance, the parents found the burner phone. When people are into this type of shit, is there almost a community of people that communicate back and forth? I'm curious how a lot of the, I mean, the reality is, the hard, hard reality to absorb is,

If there's a smart person out there that wants to do really fucked up shit and they're able to compartmentalize it well, it may never hit law enforcement radar. Yeah. So I'm curious if there's any tendencies, and it's not like I'm trying to give a shopping list to people that maybe, you never know where this might go. Right.

If there's a smart person out there that wants to do really fucked up shit and they're able to compartmentalize it well, it may never hit law enforcement radar. Yeah. So I'm curious if there's any tendencies, and it's not like I'm trying to give a shopping list to people that maybe, you never know where this might go. Right.

Yeah, he's fantastic on the show, but this is the shit I have to deal with off of the show. Or, you know, we're at dinner, you know, recently Leah had me tell him the story about when I flushed an orange down the toilet when I was young. We're at dinner the other night and he is trying to convince people that I did that when I was 13.

Yeah, he's fantastic on the show, but this is the shit I have to deal with off of the show. Or, you know, we're at dinner, you know, recently Leah had me tell him the story about when I flushed an orange down the toilet when I was young. We're at dinner the other night and he is trying to convince people that I did that when I was 13.

So again, answer however you want to, but it seems as if there would be a slip up or an error along the way where it finally lands on radar for law enforcement.

So again, answer however you want to, but it seems as if there would be a slip up or an error along the way where it finally lands on radar for law enforcement.

So I like hide burner phone better. Yeah. You know, I mean, but I actually, I'm legitimately thinking about that as we're having this conversation because I have an immense amount of empathy for the victim and absolutely none for the fucking predator.

So I like hide burner phone better. Yeah. You know, I mean, but I actually, I'm legitimately thinking about that as we're having this conversation because I have an immense amount of empathy for the victim and absolutely none for the fucking predator.

I don't think some of them can stop.

I don't think some of them can stop.

They can't. Well, the problem with that problem is... they don't allow for what I consider to be the reasonable solution, which is lights out.

They can't. Well, the problem with that problem is... they don't allow for what I consider to be the reasonable solution, which is lights out.

Meanwhile, where we lived at that time, I couldn't have been more than eight or nine years old. So he's with fingernails holding on to fucking reality.

Meanwhile, where we lived at that time, I couldn't have been more than eight or nine years old. So he's with fingernails holding on to fucking reality.

Your day is coming. Well, let me ask you this along those lines. In your experience, when you're getting to that point where the objections or denial is a weakening and then you finally, it's like, hey man, how often Do they want to flip on somebody else?

Your day is coming. Well, let me ask you this along those lines. In your experience, when you're getting to that point where the objections or denial is a weakening and then you finally, it's like, hey man, how often Do they want to flip on somebody else?

And I ask this because the local cops here, even like the petty theft, they're like, hey, if I were to have information for you, could I enjoy not being in jail for 96 hours? And they'll try to tell you where a stolen bicycle is. So it's not as if people in the criminal world are unwilling to flip on others. I'm curious, though, how it is with something of this level.

And I ask this because the local cops here, even like the petty theft, they're like, hey, if I were to have information for you, could I enjoy not being in jail for 96 hours? And they'll try to tell you where a stolen bicycle is. So it's not as if people in the criminal world are unwilling to flip on others. I'm curious, though, how it is with something of this level.

Yeah. And yeah, Shady Acres. Shady Acres is the name of the home I'm going to put him in. Or at least that's the name of the home I tell him I'm going to put him in. And my sister and I have agreed that, yeah, we're just going to keep doing that until he believes it.

Yeah. And yeah, Shady Acres. Shady Acres is the name of the home I'm going to put him in. Or at least that's the name of the home I tell him I'm going to put him in. And my sister and I have agreed that, yeah, we're just going to keep doing that until he believes it.

And are they more lone wolves, or do you find that there are groups of people that communicate?

And are they more lone wolves, or do you find that there are groups of people that communicate?

They could maybe flip and like, hey, this is where I communicate with people who are like-minded.

They could maybe flip and like, hey, this is where I communicate with people who are like-minded.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, if they did have access to something or a portal or... Because I feel like law enforcement, and I say this, I've never spent a second in it, is a chess match. Yes. I mean, it's the same thing as what I used to do overseas, too. We would have a tactic. They would watch. They would evolve. Sometimes they would fuck us up. We would watch. And it was just constantly back and forth.

I mean, if they did have access to something or a portal or... Because I feel like law enforcement, and I say this, I've never spent a second in it, is a chess match. Yes. I mean, it's the same thing as what I used to do overseas, too. We would have a tactic. They would watch. They would evolve. Sometimes they would fuck us up. We would watch. And it was just constantly back and forth.

So... I have to believe that the people that participate in this understand that they're broken in some way. Yeah. But they also probably understand that there are others out there like them. And isolation, if COVID taught us anything, is that isolation fucks human beings up. Yes.

So... I have to believe that the people that participate in this understand that they're broken in some way. Yeah. But they also probably understand that there are others out there like them. And isolation, if COVID taught us anything, is that isolation fucks human beings up. Yes.

And not that I want there to be a portal or way for these people to either share access and means or their own tactics, techniques, and procedures, but... They're out there trying to figure out ways to do what they do to avoid and evade law enforcement. And I feel like they're constantly out there looking for ways to communicate with others who are like-minded. Sure.

And not that I want there to be a portal or way for these people to either share access and means or their own tactics, techniques, and procedures, but... They're out there trying to figure out ways to do what they do to avoid and evade law enforcement. And I feel like they're constantly out there looking for ways to communicate with others who are like-minded. Sure.

Outside of the purview of law enforcement.

Outside of the purview of law enforcement.

He's the worst. That'll be us one day to our kids.

He's the worst. That'll be us one day to our kids.

Yeah. Michael, get on now and follow Von Stumpf. See if you can find it on IG. Yeah, I was going to find them. V-A-U-G-H-N-S-T-U. Anybody who hears this, hop on there and... Give my dad a... Oh, here it is. Yeah. Did you notice how the profile is completely not set up? Yeah. No posts. No posts, no profile picture. Because he says, well, what do you do with it? What do you put on there?

Yeah. Michael, get on now and follow Von Stumpf. See if you can find it on IG. Yeah, I was going to find them. V-A-U-G-H-N-S-T-U. Anybody who hears this, hop on there and... Give my dad a... Oh, here it is. Yeah. Did you notice how the profile is completely not set up? Yeah. No posts. No posts, no profile picture. Because he says, well, what do you do with it? What do you put on there?

And like you said, the encryption is evolving as well, too. Yeah. Yeah, that is an uphill battle for sure.

And like you said, the encryption is evolving as well, too. Yeah. Yeah, that is an uphill battle for sure.

How does this work? And I said, these are questions you could have asked before you opened this account. I said, most of the time people... I said, if you follow people... you kind of get to see what they post. It's a curated collection of what people it's pick. What I said was it's mostly pictures. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I can take pictures. I'm like, fuck.

How does this work? And I said, these are questions you could have asked before you opened this account. I said, most of the time people... I said, if you follow people... you kind of get to see what they post. It's a curated collection of what people it's pick. What I said was it's mostly pictures. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I can take pictures. I'm like, fuck.

Here's a fucked up question. Have you ever heard of somebody who specialized in ICAC stuff that ended up actually being one of these predators?

Here's a fucked up question. Have you ever heard of somebody who specialized in ICAC stuff that ended up actually being one of these predators?

Um, I feel like that should be in the world we live in. I would like to imagine a world where you don't have to ask that question. I would too. I would too. It's like saying, Hey, do you eat your own shit? Like, why would anybody ask that? Of course I don't eat my own shit. Yeah.

Um, I feel like that should be in the world we live in. I would like to imagine a world where you don't have to ask that question. I would too. I would too. It's like saying, Hey, do you eat your own shit? Like, why would anybody ask that? Of course I don't eat my own shit. Yeah.

Shockingly enough, they spend time where children are.

Shockingly enough, they spend time where children are.

I mean, think about the long game that that person would play. Correct. To get into that unit. Well, not only that. I mean, I would assume that they probably didn't develop a... Desire for that because they volunteered for that unit. So you probably can imagine that it was even maybe before fucking who knows lifelong.

I mean, think about the long game that that person would play. Correct. To get into that unit. Well, not only that. I mean, I would assume that they probably didn't develop a... Desire for that because they volunteered for that unit. So you probably can imagine that it was even maybe before fucking who knows lifelong.

So they bury that and then wear a mask that's good enough that they get into law enforcement. Right. Work their way towards that unit. I mean, that's a long game. It is. It is. And I...

So they bury that and then wear a mask that's good enough that they get into law enforcement. Right. Work their way towards that unit. I mean, that's a long game. It is. It is. And I...

It's even more fucked up and tedious.

It's even more fucked up and tedious.

Not politicians, though. Never. Cops and firemen, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never politicians, ever, ever. I like the cops or the firemen that end up pyromaniacs and they're bored, so they're lighting fires. Yeah, man.

Not politicians, though. Never. Cops and firemen, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never politicians, ever, ever. I like the cops or the firemen that end up pyromaniacs and they're bored, so they're lighting fires. Yeah, man.

You gotta make them somehow. Goddamn building codes just keep getting better with these auto sprinklers. Sons of bitches. Well, I mean, again, if you were a pyromaniac, And you had some intelligence. And again, I'm not trying to give an instruction manual. Yeah. But these are the things that I think about when I can't sleep. Like, what would a pyromaniac do if he loved fire?

You gotta make them somehow. Goddamn building codes just keep getting better with these auto sprinklers. Sons of bitches. Well, I mean, again, if you were a pyromaniac, And you had some intelligence. And again, I'm not trying to give an instruction manual. Yeah. But these are the things that I think about when I can't sleep. Like, what would a pyromaniac do if he loved fire?

Probably fucking work with fire. Right. You know, he's either a Hollywood pyrotechnic specialist or probably an FDNY dude. And I don't know why I just said New York, but whatever. There's a lot of firemen there. Where was the movie Backdraft, Michael? Which is, I know, a movie you haven't seen. Was it Chicago? I haven't seen it. This fucking kid, dude. I swear to God. We got some Backdraft, though.

Probably fucking work with fire. Right. You know, he's either a Hollywood pyrotechnic specialist or probably an FDNY dude. And I don't know why I just said New York, but whatever. There's a lot of firemen there. Where was the movie Backdraft, Michael? Which is, I know, a movie you haven't seen. Was it Chicago? I haven't seen it. This fucking kid, dude. I swear to God. We got some Backdraft, though.

I'm telling you, there's a good chance that he would have posted that picture by accident and not known it. And, uh, So, yeah, for all the people out there who keep encouraging my dad, at some point you're going to get what you asked for and you may not like it.

I'm telling you, there's a good chance that he would have posted that picture by accident and not known it. And, uh, So, yeah, for all the people out there who keep encouraging my dad, at some point you're going to get what you asked for and you may not like it.

I'm not even a fireman. I've seen that multiple times. He hasn't seen the Budok Saints. Was it Chicago? I can't find it. Unbelievable. Yeah, but Bull, spoiler alert to a 30-year-old movie, was lighting fires. Yeah, exactly. Imagine that. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a massive sex ring at either Disneyland or Disney World, to be honest.

I'm not even a fireman. I've seen that multiple times. He hasn't seen the Budok Saints. Was it Chicago? I can't find it. Unbelievable. Yeah, but Bull, spoiler alert to a 30-year-old movie, was lighting fires. Yeah, exactly. Imagine that. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a massive sex ring at either Disneyland or Disney World, to be honest.

Right.

Right.

I mean— I have to imagine that those task force— however they're structured, I have to imagine that they understand that there is a limited amount of time where people can tolerate exposure to that.

I mean— I have to imagine that those task force— however they're structured, I have to imagine that they understand that there is a limited amount of time where people can tolerate exposure to that.

That most people aren't going to do it for a decade or two.

That most people aren't going to do it for a decade or two.

Well, I was going to ask when you went to whoever you needed to go and say, hey, you were done. I'm assuming they didn't like, hey, man, get back in there. Just give me the gravity of the subject matter. Oh, dude, for sure.

Well, I was going to ask when you went to whoever you needed to go and say, hey, you were done. I'm assuming they didn't like, hey, man, get back in there. Just give me the gravity of the subject matter. Oh, dude, for sure.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, here's an idea, right? You heard about the explosive pagers for Hamas? Yeah. That's where my mind goes. Oh, man. A little pressure sensor in there? Yeah. I got an idea. Let's put about a pound and a half of C4 in that motherfucker. Oh, man.

I mean, here's an idea, right? You heard about the explosive pagers for Hamas? Yeah. That's where my mind goes. Oh, man. A little pressure sensor in there? Yeah. I got an idea. Let's put about a pound and a half of C4 in that motherfucker. Oh, man.

I don't think it'll ever get to a million. Did you follow Michael? I did. He's probably at eight.

I don't think it'll ever get to a million. Did you follow Michael? I did. He's probably at eight.

Maybe. It was Stumpf.Andy, Andy Stumpf. I mean, I don't. And again, just pushing buttons, right? Just accidentally followed five different incorrect versions of my username.

Maybe. It was Stumpf.Andy, Andy Stumpf. I mean, I don't. And again, just pushing buttons, right? Just accidentally followed five different incorrect versions of my username.

Oh, really a whole three or four days. Yeah. Thanks.

Oh, really a whole three or four days. Yeah. Thanks.

And then you went to an additional unit, the special victims unit. Right. I mean, man, that's a step, I'll say, back towards that direction, separated by some layers for sure. Why did you want to do that?

And then you went to an additional unit, the special victims unit. Right. I mean, man, that's a step, I'll say, back towards that direction, separated by some layers for sure. Why did you want to do that?

Yeah. Yeah. And my sister. And I'll get him to follow Michael. And then Michael, you know what? I'm going to let you mentor him. No. Yeah. I do not get paid enough for that. Nobody does. It wouldn't matter if I paid you in gold bars. It's not enough. Send them a DM and see what happens. No. I don't think you would even know that that happened.

Yeah. Yeah. And my sister. And I'll get him to follow Michael. And then Michael, you know what? I'm going to let you mentor him. No. Yeah. I do not get paid enough for that. Nobody does. It wouldn't matter if I paid you in gold bars. It's not enough. Send them a DM and see what happens. No. I don't think you would even know that that happened.

How long have you been a cop now? Gosh. Or a deputy? Yeah. I know the terms are not interchangeable. I got hired in 2013. All right, so 12 years. Yeah. How does it work in Idaho? Is it a certain number of years or 55?

How long have you been a cop now? Gosh. Or a deputy? Yeah. I know the terms are not interchangeable. I got hired in 2013. All right, so 12 years. Yeah. How does it work in Idaho? Is it a certain number of years or 55?

Yeah. I don't, I don't quite understand the math. Like I would just start that job at 72 then and do eight years. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't, I don't quite understand the math. Like I would just start that job at 72 then and do eight years. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't get time. Yeah. Is there a way to use technology to reduce the burden on the humans that have to deal with that stuff? Like I didn't realize you had to watch the video with two different forms or watch it once and then listen to it. I got, I, there's gotta be a way that no human could do that without screaming on their fucking eggs here.

I don't get time. Yeah. Is there a way to use technology to reduce the burden on the humans that have to deal with that stuff? Like I didn't realize you had to watch the video with two different forms or watch it once and then listen to it. I got, I, there's gotta be a way that no human could do that without screaming on their fucking eggs here.

I don't know if it's that it's less, but I think the threshold to reach it is more. God, I had not thought about the difference of it actually being a human victim versus AI generated.

I don't know if it's that it's less, but I think the threshold to reach it is more. God, I had not thought about the difference of it actually being a human victim versus AI generated.

It's a real desire, though.

It's a real desire, though.

I do like those YouTube videos where the people get busted in Walmart and they try to run. They're screaming, help me, help me. It's like, we're about to help you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, what's crazy though, is that some civilians are doing that like full vigilante style. Yeah. Not advisable. Not advised.

I do like those YouTube videos where the people get busted in Walmart and they try to run. They're screaming, help me, help me. It's like, we're about to help you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, what's crazy though, is that some civilians are doing that like full vigilante style. Yeah. Not advisable. Not advised.

Is that enough? Let's say somebody does that. They go to Walmart, they tackle the Dukes. I've seen a video like this. Law enforcement eventually shows up.

Is that enough? Let's say somebody does that. They go to Walmart, they tackle the Dukes. I've seen a video like this. Law enforcement eventually shows up.

I don't, it's like citizens arrest. Fuck. I guess. I don't know. Is there enough probable cause for you guys to start looking into that behavior? Can you just, you know what I mean? Like, yes. Can you take the word like this guy was, I'm here. He was supposed to be my 12 year old sister. They could show you that. Is that enough PC to get you guys looking in that direction of that person?

I don't, it's like citizens arrest. Fuck. I guess. I don't know. Is there enough probable cause for you guys to start looking into that behavior? Can you just, you know what I mean? Like, yes. Can you take the word like this guy was, I'm here. He was supposed to be my 12 year old sister. They could show you that. Is that enough PC to get you guys looking in that direction of that person?

The app, the icon itself is not even on any of the home screens. So it's, you know, as you swipe to the right, they're clustered. First off, I don't know if he even knows how to do that. But I'm pretty sure he'll never be able to find it again. But I don't know. He might have four years left before he heads into Shady Acres. So I don't know. What do you think, Michael?

The app, the icon itself is not even on any of the home screens. So it's, you know, as you swipe to the right, they're clustered. First off, I don't know if he even knows how to do that. But I'm pretty sure he'll never be able to find it again. But I don't know. He might have four years left before he heads into Shady Acres. So I don't know. What do you think, Michael?

I would say so. Would I take that person to jail? I don't know. I was going to say, cause if you don't take him to jail, he might change his behavior and get the fuck out of there. Sure.

I would say so. Would I take that person to jail? I don't know. I was going to say, cause if you don't take him to jail, he might change his behavior and get the fuck out of there. Sure.

That's what I'm saying. Could they start looking? Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Could they start looking? Yeah.

As much as I appreciate the and understand the headspace of the vigilante video.

As much as I appreciate the and understand the headspace of the vigilante video.

Yeah. It's tough.

Yeah. It's tough.

Yeah. Um, the reality is though, like you said, it might get a bunch of likes. Nothing may be happening to that person. It may be the cracking the door and finally the spotlight is put onto them. Right.

Yeah. Um, the reality is though, like you said, it might get a bunch of likes. Nothing may be happening to that person. It may be the cracking the door and finally the spotlight is put onto them. Right.

Boom. Those videos are also amazing.

Boom. Those videos are also amazing.

Well, and they're also living in, you know, silver bracelets. Yes. So something is immediately going to happen to them. Correct. Yeah.

Well, and they're also living in, you know, silver bracelets. Yes. So something is immediately going to happen to them. Correct. Yeah.

So we talk a lot about that. But we also talk a lot about, like I mentioned in the intro, the burden and cost that it places on people who have to knowingly go into this world. Somebody has to. We have to have an ability to find these people where they are. And the people that do that, man, they get nothing but respect for me.

So we talk a lot about that. But we also talk a lot about, like I mentioned in the intro, the burden and cost that it places on people who have to knowingly go into this world. Somebody has to. We have to have an ability to find these people where they are. And the people that do that, man, they get nothing but respect for me.

Yeah. I mean, I want to ask you, I'm curious. I don't know how you could answer this question, though, without educating people. And that is, I'm just fascinated by the level of sophistication. There has to be probably a case or a person that sticks out of like, holy shit, had never thought of that. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I want to ask you, I'm curious. I don't know how you could answer this question, though, without educating people. And that is, I'm just fascinated by the level of sophistication. There has to be probably a case or a person that sticks out of like, holy shit, had never thought of that. Yeah.

Should we just lean into his social presence? Yes. Yes. What would you recommend as his profile picture of Santa Claus? The Playgirl photo. Well... You used to work, you know, internet crimes against children. How does a group rugby photo from the 1920s, where they're not wearing anything but their cleats, I don't know if that is necessarily safe for internet consumption.

Should we just lean into his social presence? Yes. Yes. What would you recommend as his profile picture of Santa Claus? The Playgirl photo. Well... You used to work, you know, internet crimes against children. How does a group rugby photo from the 1920s, where they're not wearing anything but their cleats, I don't know if that is necessarily safe for internet consumption.

And I don't know how you could even talk about that without educating people or giving somebody an idea. Yeah. But have you found... In that predator pool, highly intelligent, highly sophisticated people that have gotten away with this for a long time. Absolutely. Absolutely. Was it a – broadly, was it a stupid small mistake that they made that got them on your radar or was it somebody else?

And I don't know how you could even talk about that without educating people or giving somebody an idea. Yeah. But have you found... In that predator pool, highly intelligent, highly sophisticated people that have gotten away with this for a long time. Absolutely. Absolutely. Was it a – broadly, was it a stupid small mistake that they made that got them on your radar or was it somebody else?

Was it a tip? I mean –

Was it a tip? I mean –

I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that means.

I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that means.

That's not a browser. I'm already like, I got to go. Oh dude. Yeah.

That's not a browser. I'm already like, I got to go. Oh dude. Yeah.

Perfect. Yes. Perfect. Yeah. Cool. I have immediately disqualified myself if I have to understand that.

Perfect. Yes. Perfect. Yeah. Cool. I have immediately disqualified myself if I have to understand that.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So I'm the dude, I'm my dad in this scenario when it comes to that type of stuff.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So I'm the dude, I'm my dad in this scenario when it comes to that type of stuff.

Yeah. All right. So there are some savants and super high level sophisticated people. Yes. What's the dumbest criminal you've ever come across? Because there's got to be the other side of the bell curve. Gosh, there's there is definitely the other side of the bell curve. Yeah. And generally they think they're the smart ones. That's one of my favorite features of these people.

Yeah. All right. So there are some savants and super high level sophisticated people. Yes. What's the dumbest criminal you've ever come across? Because there's got to be the other side of the bell curve. Gosh, there's there is definitely the other side of the bell curve. Yeah. And generally they think they're the smart ones. That's one of my favorite features of these people.

I've heard Oregon has taken another look at their decriminalization policy. I sure hope so. Almost as if decriminalizing everything solves nothing.

I've heard Oregon has taken another look at their decriminalization policy. I sure hope so. Almost as if decriminalizing everything solves nothing.

I think I can one up that. Apparently, this is not uncommon, and I bet you've encountered this. And this is, again, through my local buddies. They roll somebody up. OK. In their pockets is a shit ton of whatever. And they say, well, these aren't my pants. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude. Have you ever heard that one, Michael? Oh, man. Apparently, it's incredibly common. Yeah.

I think I can one up that. Apparently, this is not uncommon, and I bet you've encountered this. And this is, again, through my local buddies. They roll somebody up. OK. In their pockets is a shit ton of whatever. And they say, well, these aren't my pants. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude. Have you ever heard that one, Michael? Oh, man. Apparently, it's incredibly common. Yeah.

But like, well, sir or ma'am, whose fucking pants are these?

But like, well, sir or ma'am, whose fucking pants are these?

Yeah, they've been worn so well. And your Zinn, I was going to say dip, but your little Zinn thing has just worn through. And it's weird that your wallet has the exact same imprint on these. Yeah, these aren't my pants.

Yeah, they've been worn so well. And your Zinn, I was going to say dip, but your little Zinn thing has just worn through. And it's weird that your wallet has the exact same imprint on these. Yeah, these aren't my pants.

I don't know. My buddies tell me that shit happens all the time, all the time. And I think it's a pain.

I don't know. My buddies tell me that shit happens all the time, all the time. And I think it's a pain.

The picture would be very small on the Instagram profile picture, but that's what it is.

The picture would be very small on the Instagram profile picture, but that's what it is.

We just haven't found it yet. All right. So let's reverse engineer this and think about this from the perspective of probably I would say from the lens of the parents more than the minor, because I feel like I have more listeners that are of age than are of age. Given what you've seen, where would you start parents on keeping their kids safer? I'm not going to use the word safe.

We just haven't found it yet. All right. So let's reverse engineer this and think about this from the perspective of probably I would say from the lens of the parents more than the minor, because I feel like I have more listeners that are of age than are of age. Given what you've seen, where would you start parents on keeping their kids safer? I'm not going to use the word safe.

I'm going to say safer. Yeah.

I'm going to say safer. Yeah.

There's risk to everything. If they leave your house, there's risk, but let's be honest. if you have a large family and they come over for Thanksgiving, they may not be safe even inside of your own house. Right. Depending. So safer.

There's risk to everything. If they leave your house, there's risk, but let's be honest. if you have a large family and they come over for Thanksgiving, they may not be safe even inside of your own house. Right. Depending. So safer.

Have you found that with victims, that is something, a conversation that is often not had? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely happens. I was going to say, or is that a barrier that a family member might be able to break their way through? Because from a stranger... I see what you're saying. Like a stranger, that seems like it could be a harder barrier. Yes.

Have you found that with victims, that is something, a conversation that is often not had? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely happens. I was going to say, or is that a barrier that a family member might be able to break their way through? Because from a stranger... I see what you're saying. Like a stranger, that seems like it could be a harder barrier. Yes.

And not that it should be a softer barrier, but we're talking about not fully formed brains. Sure. Family. Oh, he hugs mom and dad. You know what I mean? This is uncle so-and-so.

And not that it should be a softer barrier, but we're talking about not fully formed brains. Sure. Family. Oh, he hugs mom and dad. You know what I mean? This is uncle so-and-so.

The amount of pubic hair. Did you notice that, Michael? Because I know you surveyed that picture closely. Yeah. You were pinching it. Yeah. Did you notice that, though? I did, unfortunately. Yeah. Heavy, heavy, heavy. Yeah. I mean, people live your life however you want to. I'm not saying you should be a hairless cat, but...

The amount of pubic hair. Did you notice that, Michael? Because I know you surveyed that picture closely. Yeah. You were pinching it. Yeah. Did you notice that, though? I did, unfortunately. Yeah. Heavy, heavy, heavy. Yeah. I mean, people live your life however you want to. I'm not saying you should be a hairless cat, but...

Oh, my God. I can't even fathom being a teacher on the receiving end of that. Yeah, man. I'm assuming that's a mandatory report in every state. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So.

Oh, my God. I can't even fathom being a teacher on the receiving end of that. Yeah, man. I'm assuming that's a mandatory report in every state. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So.

Are they generally open about saying that or is that something you have to claw out?

Are they generally open about saying that or is that something you have to claw out?

And they just blah, everything. Well, they probably think it's, or it's been conditioned into them that it's normal. So why would they talk about it?

And they just blah, everything. Well, they probably think it's, or it's been conditioned into them that it's normal. So why would they talk about it?

So I've heard this, never tried it, but I've heard it because I don't have Snapchat nor do I want it. Yeah, man. Or ticky talky. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

So I've heard this, never tried it, but I've heard it because I don't have Snapchat nor do I want it. Yeah, man. Or ticky talky. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

I have had people on the show who specialize in that and they did a little research before coming on the episode and trust me, anything you could possibly want is for sale.

I have had people on the show who specialize in that and they did a little research before coming on the episode and trust me, anything you could possibly want is for sale.

I mean, kids are curious. Kids are sneaky. I worry sometimes you hear parents say, well, I'm going to have an electronics-free household to a certain degree. Right. Or to a certain age. But if they go to school with people that have smartphones, they have access to a smartphone. Correct. And it's so easy to, oh, in this little bubble of the world that we can control, this doesn't exist.

I mean, kids are curious. Kids are sneaky. I worry sometimes you hear parents say, well, I'm going to have an electronics-free household to a certain degree. Right. Or to a certain age. But if they go to school with people that have smartphones, they have access to a smartphone. Correct. And it's so easy to, oh, in this little bubble of the world that we can control, this doesn't exist.

With my own kids, the older they got, the more influence their social circle had. And it was competing at best. Probably the kids had more influence over them at a certain age than I did. I mean, they've heard me say the same thing over and over again, but they're like, shut the fuck up, dad. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, go ahead and take a smartphone away from your kid or don't give them one.

With my own kids, the older they got, the more influence their social circle had. And it was competing at best. Probably the kids had more influence over them at a certain age than I did. I mean, they've heard me say the same thing over and over again, but they're like, shut the fuck up, dad. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, go ahead and take a smartphone away from your kid or don't give them one.

If they're ever unsupervised with their friends who have a smartphone, I hate to tell you, they're looking up shit or exposed to stuff you don't want them to see. Yeah.

If they're ever unsupervised with their friends who have a smartphone, I hate to tell you, they're looking up shit or exposed to stuff you don't want them to see. Yeah.

It wasn't actually the 20s, but I just, that's when I tell him he was bored. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. He's old as shit.

It wasn't actually the 20s, but I just, that's when I tell him he was bored. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. He's old as shit.

I was just going to say, I have tried to hammer into my kids that the internet is forever. Anything that you ever type into your phone, regardless of how pissed you are, how upset you are, you should at some point in time think at a job interview, somebody's going to slide something across the table and say... Is this yours? Yeah. It lives forever.

I was just going to say, I have tried to hammer into my kids that the internet is forever. Anything that you ever type into your phone, regardless of how pissed you are, how upset you are, you should at some point in time think at a job interview, somebody's going to slide something across the table and say... Is this yours? Yeah. It lives forever.

Pictures, random thoughts you want to type away on whatever. Yeah. It doesn't disappear. And you have to remember that.

Pictures, random thoughts you want to type away on whatever. Yeah. It doesn't disappear. And you have to remember that.

Till you get a warrant. Exactly.

Till you get a warrant. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. I think they have developed electricity like in his early 20s, but oh well. Yeah. So point being, welcome to the show and try to keep the mic about a fist away. Yeah. I mean, I know what I want to talk about. I want to talk about the type of casework that you do.

Yeah. Yeah. I think they have developed electricity like in his early 20s, but oh well. Yeah. So point being, welcome to the show and try to keep the mic about a fist away. Yeah. I mean, I know what I want to talk about. I want to talk about the type of casework that you do.

But you can. I mean, at the young age or early teen years, your optic on time is the end of the day. It's the longest amount of time anybody's ever lived. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'll never make my way through this. I'm going to be embarrassed forever. This is all the people are. No, that's none of that shit's true. None of that's true.

But you can. I mean, at the young age or early teen years, your optic on time is the end of the day. It's the longest amount of time anybody's ever lived. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'll never make my way through this. I'm going to be embarrassed forever. This is all the people are. No, that's none of that shit's true. None of that's true.

Yeah, that's probably using some AI and looking for that in the digital signature of the picture. Yes, yes, exactly. That's a beautiful use for that type of AI.

Yeah, that's probably using some AI and looking for that in the digital signature of the picture. Yes, yes, exactly. That's a beautiful use for that type of AI.

Well, and I mean, I noticed Michael taking notes off the corner of my eye. It's like, take it down.com. It's like, son of a bitch, I finally have a route to freedom.

Well, and I mean, I noticed Michael taking notes off the corner of my eye. It's like, take it down.com. It's like, son of a bitch, I finally have a route to freedom.

I'm on the website right now. I'm not even joking. He's just airdropping shit from his own. He's like, get this one, then this one, then this one. There has to be some lore in the ICAC world of people working in that. What is the most prolific case of Predator targeting... Oh man. There's gotta be some ones that are just like, like unbelievable scope, size or scale.

I'm on the website right now. I'm not even joking. He's just airdropping shit from his own. He's like, get this one, then this one, then this one. There has to be some lore in the ICAC world of people working in that. What is the most prolific case of Predator targeting... Oh man. There's gotta be some ones that are just like, like unbelievable scope, size or scale.

Yeah. You know, my dad was so like, why do you go sheriff over PD? I bet you there's a nice potentially friendly slash unfriendly rivalry between the two.

Yeah. You know, my dad was so like, why do you go sheriff over PD? I bet you there's a nice potentially friendly slash unfriendly rivalry between the two.

No, probably not. No tuna, extra tuna rations for him.

No, probably not. No tuna, extra tuna rations for him.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Somebody needs to be just... But fucking that dude until Elon Musk calls him for advice on his tunneling company. And even then, in my mind, that's not enough.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Somebody needs to be just... But fucking that dude until Elon Musk calls him for advice on his tunneling company. And even then, in my mind, that's not enough.

Yeah. What do you think, if you could lay out the rest of your career, what kind of stuff do you want to do? Do you think you'll stay in the SVU stuff? Do you look ahead two and a half year, five year, 10 year?

Yeah. What do you think, if you could lay out the rest of your career, what kind of stuff do you want to do? Do you think you'll stay in the SVU stuff? Do you look ahead two and a half year, five year, 10 year?

I didn't realize all the different task force jobs that were available, interagency stuff. I didn't get that until I became friends with some guys locally. I was like, you're doing what? You guys are doing what? You're attached to who? Like, fuck. Okay. It's a lot more than people would think just sitting in a patrol car. Oh, yeah. What do the sheriffs call their vehicles? Is it a patrol car?

I didn't realize all the different task force jobs that were available, interagency stuff. I didn't get that until I became friends with some guys locally. I was like, you're doing what? You guys are doing what? You're attached to who? Like, fuck. Okay. It's a lot more than people would think just sitting in a patrol car. Oh, yeah. What do the sheriffs call their vehicles? Is it a patrol car?

Like a radio car. That's what I've always called it. They're in trucks. Would you just call it a patrol truck? Gosh, I guess. Or suburbans.

Like a radio car. That's what I've always called it. They're in trucks. Would you just call it a patrol truck? Gosh, I guess. Or suburbans.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A buddy of mine watches a lot of Netflix in his shop.

A buddy of mine watches a lot of Netflix in his shop.

Yeah, you're just trying to make it to the end of your shift. What would you change if you're king for a day in law enforcement? What would you change about the occupation? That's a great question.

Yeah, you're just trying to make it to the end of your shift. What would you change if you're king for a day in law enforcement? What would you change about the occupation? That's a great question.

I don't feel like I can sustain this anymore. That's a super dangerous lie when people tell themselves they can't do anything else. Yeah, it is. Or the sunken cost fallacy where I've been doing this for a decade. I can't start over. You have no idea where your life could be. I've had to reinvent myself multiple times because I'm an idiot and don't think about my future very much.

I don't feel like I can sustain this anymore. That's a super dangerous lie when people tell themselves they can't do anything else. Yeah, it is. Or the sunken cost fallacy where I've been doing this for a decade. I can't start over. You have no idea where your life could be. I've had to reinvent myself multiple times because I'm an idiot and don't think about my future very much.

And I put myself in these places where I'm like, well, I guess I better figure this shit out real fast. And then you look back a few years later and you realize, none of these opportunities that I have now would have even been possible had I stayed the path I was on. Right. Right. And that makes total sense. And that's not always the case.

And I put myself in these places where I'm like, well, I guess I better figure this shit out real fast. And then you look back a few years later and you realize, none of these opportunities that I have now would have even been possible had I stayed the path I was on. Right. Right. And that makes total sense. And that's not always the case.

I'm not trying to paint a rainbow picture for people of, ah, fuck it, let's just reinvent. I'm not saying that. Yeah. But if you need to, just don't lie to yourself and say you can't do anything else. Yeah, man. And super tragic.

I'm not trying to paint a rainbow picture for people of, ah, fuck it, let's just reinvent. I'm not saying that. Yeah. But if you need to, just don't lie to yourself and say you can't do anything else. Yeah, man. And super tragic.

Cause if you're just asking for help is a sign of strength, not a sign of weakness.

Cause if you're just asking for help is a sign of strength, not a sign of weakness.

Well, shit, man, we've been at it a few hours. Your wife is probably waiting for you at the coffee shop. What do you want to close it out with?

Well, shit, man, we've been at it a few hours. Your wife is probably waiting for you at the coffee shop. What do you want to close it out with?

They design phones for that. Are there any good state or federal resources or websites you would point parents at for educational services?

They design phones for that. Are there any good state or federal resources or websites you would point parents at for educational services?

Just shooting from the hip here. Yeah, man.

Just shooting from the hip here. Yeah, man.

Yeah, that makes sense. Cool, man. I'm not going to bother. I mean, I know you're still active, so you probably don't want to put out your social handle or a way for people to get a hold of you. Yeah. You know, I...

Yeah, that makes sense. Cool, man. I'm not going to bother. I mean, I know you're still active, so you probably don't want to put out your social handle or a way for people to get a hold of you. Yeah. You know, I...

L-A-S-D.

L-A-S-D.

Dude, that's my dad's retirement job. Yeah. Social media account manager. That's a really good idea. I will legitimately pitch that to him today, and I bet I can get him to say yes. And I bet I could find him a client or two. Perfect. Yeah. He'll start with Debbie. Which is his wife.

Dude, that's my dad's retirement job. Yeah. Social media account manager. That's a really good idea. I will legitimately pitch that to him today, and I bet I can get him to say yes. And I bet I could find him a client or two. Perfect. Yeah. He'll start with Debbie. Which is his wife.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool, man.

Cool, man.

Yeah, I think we did a good job of not educating predators and hopefully giving parents some good ideas. That's the name of the game, man.

Yeah, I think we did a good job of not educating predators and hopefully giving parents some good ideas. That's the name of the game, man.

Michael and I suck too. Michael sucks more than me, but... More than most people, actually. Oh, bro. Guess what? You're never going to master it, and there's always somebody out there that has your number. Oh, 100%.

Michael and I suck too. Michael sucks more than me, but... More than most people, actually. Oh, bro. Guess what? You're never going to master it, and there's always somebody out there that has your number. Oh, 100%.

Do they have a separate academy from the PD guys? Yes. Of course they do. Yeah. That could have nothing to do with the rivalry.

Do they have a separate academy from the PD guys? Yes. Of course they do. Yeah. That could have nothing to do with the rivalry.

Yeah, it's a fucking rough intro.

Yeah, it's a fucking rough intro.

Yeah. Good for you. Good for you, though. it was from my buddy who was a cop who wouldn't shut the fuck up about jujitsu. Nice. He got his blue belt shortly after I started. He is still a blue belt. Yeah. That's how often he comes to class. It'd be like that sometimes. Hey, listen, shift work sucks. All right. What was the last time? I'm not going to use any names.

Yeah. Good for you. Good for you, though. it was from my buddy who was a cop who wouldn't shut the fuck up about jujitsu. Nice. He got his blue belt shortly after I started. He is still a blue belt. Yeah. That's how often he comes to class. It'd be like that sometimes. Hey, listen, shift work sucks. All right. What was the last time? I'm not going to use any names.

So like a hypothetical, like when was the last time you saw Nelson in class? Um, Was it last year? Definitely last year. Well, he blew his knee out.

So like a hypothetical, like when was the last time you saw Nelson in class? Um, Was it last year? Definitely last year. Well, he blew his knee out.

But before that, I hadn't seen him in there for eight months. Yeah.

But before that, I hadn't seen him in there for eight months. Yeah.

I was at his blue belt Ironman as a one stripe white belt. The motherfucker is still blue belt. It'd be like that sometimes, man. You know what he says? He's like, I know enough. I can handle most people. Yeah. I just, I want to entice him. I need to steal a car and figure out and get him to pull me over. There's a lot of ways this could go south and I could get shot and killed. Oh, man.

I was at his blue belt Ironman as a one stripe white belt. The motherfucker is still blue belt. It'd be like that sometimes, man. You know what he says? He's like, I know enough. I can handle most people. Yeah. I just, I want to entice him. I need to steal a car and figure out and get him to pull me over. There's a lot of ways this could go south and I could get shot and killed. Oh, man.

But I need to, I want to fucking tackle him and just beat the shit out of him.

But I need to, I want to fucking tackle him and just beat the shit out of him.

Probably a miss.

Probably a miss.

Yeah. It's an uphill battle for sure. Yeah, man. Cool. Let's get you back to your wife. Cool. Thanks, brother. Of course.

Yeah. It's an uphill battle for sure. Yeah, man. Cool. Let's get you back to your wife. Cool. Thanks, brother. Of course.

And I'll never stop talking about this topic because, I mean, people who listen to the podcast understand the potato peeler theory that I have. Still waiting for a federal, state, local agency to reach out for me. I'll donate my services, but I don't know if that call will ever come. Let's get into the episode. But before that, stick with me. Give me 90 seconds. Let's pay the bills.

And I'll never stop talking about this topic because, I mean, people who listen to the podcast understand the potato peeler theory that I have. Still waiting for a federal, state, local agency to reach out for me. I'll donate my services, but I don't know if that call will ever come. Let's get into the episode. But before that, stick with me. Give me 90 seconds. Let's pay the bills.

I have it on good authority. It's identical curriculum and length.

I have it on good authority. It's identical curriculum and length.

There was a time in the military where those existed. I don't know what they've done with them, but it was a TTO card, a training timeout. A training timeout card. Yeah, which is really reflective of a combat environment. You can really use those, and your enemy will certainly respect when you are emotionally at your brink. Yes. Yeah. Legitimately, though. I remember hearing about that.

There was a time in the military where those existed. I don't know what they've done with them, but it was a TTO card, a training timeout. A training timeout card. Yeah, which is really reflective of a combat environment. You can really use those, and your enemy will certainly respect when you are emotionally at your brink. Yes. Yeah. Legitimately, though. I remember hearing about that.

Training timeout cards. Was that before or after your time? It was kind of in the middle, actually. Okay. Yeah. And again, I heard that. 15th hand from people who, you know, had new people who were going through it. So there was probably some validity to it. And I will admit some of that was probably blown well out of proportion.

Training timeout cards. Was that before or after your time? It was kind of in the middle, actually. Okay. Yeah. And again, I heard that. 15th hand from people who, you know, had new people who were going through it. So there was probably some validity to it. And I will admit some of that was probably blown well out of proportion.

So, so LAPD, LASO, LAFD. Yes. Do they ever, does like LAPD and the fire department ever gang up and harass the sheriff? Do you guys ever gang up with the fire department and harass the PD? Because that gets tough when there's three entities on scene. Oh yeah. Do you know what all, you know what LAPD, LASO and the fire department all have in common? They all wanted to be firefighters.

So, so LAPD, LASO, LAFD. Yes. Do they ever, does like LAPD and the fire department ever gang up and harass the sheriff? Do you guys ever gang up with the fire department and harass the PD? Because that gets tough when there's three entities on scene. Oh yeah. Do you know what all, you know what LAPD, LASO and the fire department all have in common? They all wanted to be firefighters.

See, I knew it was going to go there.

See, I knew it was going to go there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't think that's the case. I've heard that the LA Fire Department secures the scene for you guys, and then you guys go in.

I don't think that's the case. I've heard that the LA Fire Department secures the scene for you guys, and then you guys go in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it was...

I mean, it was...

12.

12.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now.

Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now.

Ja, genau.

Ja, genau.

Nein.

Nein.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy.

10%.

10%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Not comparatively.

Not comparatively.

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How do you get yourself out of it?

How do you get yourself out of it?

Hold on a second. What satellites were jammed?

Hold on a second. What satellites were jammed?

What the fuck were you using satellites for?

What the fuck were you using satellites for?

It's not often talked about, the number of people who made that choice.

It's not often talked about, the number of people who made that choice.

Where were you when they started to fall?

Where were you when they started to fall?

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He is the founder of Montana Knife Company, the youngest master bladesmith, real overachieving asshole, if you will. The knives he make, the makes, are right down the road in Frenchtown, Montana, about 90 miles from where I'm sitting right now. Born and bred in Montana, Montana inspired, but truly inspired.

Did you hear them falling? The buildings?

Did you hear them falling? The buildings?

truly a global brand they are exploding i'm looking at right now the mini speed goat they're rotating banner across the top shows a small variety of the knives that they have to offer i'm just going to rotate down and it's going to show you the stuff that they have in stock some of the versions are going to be sold out but you'll you'll tell immediately different blade types

truly a global brand they are exploding i'm looking at right now the mini speed goat they're rotating banner across the top shows a small variety of the knives that they have to offer i'm just going to rotate down and it's going to show you the stuff that they have in stock some of the versions are going to be sold out but you'll you'll tell immediately different blade types

Was it clearing it all at that point?

Was it clearing it all at that point?

Chef, butcher, meat eater edition knives, collaborations. This is a great chef knife, the Meat Church chef knife. I'm just going to click view all and let's see what they have to offer. Actually, I'm going to go up here to just shop knives. all knives, not the ones that are in stock. I'll talk about that in a minute. And I'm just going to scroll through this.

Chef, butcher, meat eater edition knives, collaborations. This is a great chef knife, the Meat Church chef knife. I'm just going to click view all and let's see what they have to offer. Actually, I'm going to go up here to just shop knives. all knives, not the ones that are in stock. I'll talk about that in a minute. And I'm just going to scroll through this.

It's a very nearly impossible thing to compute.

It's a very nearly impossible thing to compute.

Why'd you choose New York over LA? Not, and let me tell you, I don't know much about the acting scene, but for most people, and maybe this is something from TV and movies, where do young people go when they want to be discovered? They head to the West coast to LA. Why you chose New York over that?

Why'd you choose New York over LA? Not, and let me tell you, I don't know much about the acting scene, but for most people, and maybe this is something from TV and movies, where do young people go when they want to be discovered? They head to the West coast to LA. Why you chose New York over that?

Like same sitcom type stuff, movie type stuff?

Like same sitcom type stuff, movie type stuff?

actor a thespian if you will and honestly this is my favorite part about the podcast this is what i enjoy the most being exposed to people that i probably never would have had the chance to be exposed to sitting down having a conversation with them about what makes them tick specifically and i'm going to read this right from his website he has a play called the american soldier

actor a thespian if you will and honestly this is my favorite part about the podcast this is what i enjoy the most being exposed to people that i probably never would have had the chance to be exposed to sitting down having a conversation with them about what makes them tick specifically and i'm going to read this right from his website he has a play called the american soldier

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For those of you who are watching along on video, you can see the ridiculous amount of offerings that they have. You'll also notice that the vast majorities of these say sold out. And the reason for that is, is that they sell out within 60 seconds, 120 seconds. So be quick when you get the notification that they're back in stock. They're releasing them Thursdays and Saturdays.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Time and context is a bitch.

Time and context is a bitch.

Unless you were directly tied to the monetary value of the military industrial complex.

Unless you were directly tied to the monetary value of the military industrial complex.

I think they did okay.

I think they did okay.

Shareholders might have been happy for about two decades. Probably still are to some degree. For sure, for sure. Why'd you leave New York? Because I was asking where you came from here today and you said back in Tejas.

Shareholders might have been happy for about two decades. Probably still are to some degree. For sure, for sure. Why'd you leave New York? Because I was asking where you came from here today and you said back in Tejas.

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But one of the main reasons why they're happening is the Santa Ana winds, which are uncontrollable, but they're a yearly event.

But one of the main reasons why they're happening is the Santa Ana winds, which are uncontrollable, but they're a yearly event.

And I used to experience them because I lived in San Diego. When those suckers would turn on, it feels like a hairdryer coming out of the Eastern California mountains.

And I used to experience them because I lived in San Diego. When those suckers would turn on, it feels like a hairdryer coming out of the Eastern California mountains.

It would. Would help. Yes. I don't mean, man. Yeah, of course. Undoubtedly, it would help. I'm reading reports of 80, 90 miles per hour sustained wind. I don't know if there's enough water in the world to stop that.

It would. Would help. Yes. I don't mean, man. Yeah, of course. Undoubtedly, it would help. I'm reading reports of 80, 90 miles per hour sustained wind. I don't know if there's enough water in the world to stop that.

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Secondly, if you're going to buy something at some point in time in their purchasing portal, they're going to ask you how you heard about Montana Knife Company. Do me a favor, put down Cleared Hot or Andy Stumpf, whichever one of those options actually present themselves, because I'm not sure. Or both. Or don't put anything down. It's up to you. But that's how you can help me help them.

By guys, you mean soldiers?

By guys, you mean soldiers?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have never been a huge fan of, I guess I consume it digitally and you know, the times never had a subscription even on digital.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have never been a huge fan of, I guess I consume it digitally and you know, the times never had a subscription even on digital.

Let's get back into the show.

Let's get back into the show.

Um, we're so old.

Um, we're so old.

And where would you go? Do I take, do I get to take the knowledge with me or is it a clean slate? Yeah.

And where would you go? Do I take, do I get to take the knowledge with me or is it a clean slate? Yeah.

Because I can't put my finger on the pace of our evolution and trajectory. I just am fascinated to know where it leads.

Because I can't put my finger on the pace of our evolution and trajectory. I just am fascinated to know where it leads.

We kind of know what that was like.

We kind of know what that was like.

Sure.

Sure.

But you can gather some information about it now. True. Forward, you can gather none. I'd rather be a cosmonaut and go forward.

But you can gather some information about it now. True. Forward, you can gather none. I'd rather be a cosmonaut and go forward.

I am neither a military buff nor a history buff. Or the combination of the two, a military history buff. Okay. Just because you serve in the military doesn't necessarily mean you are steeped in all the knowledge. No, no, no.

I am neither a military buff nor a history buff. Or the combination of the two, a military history buff. Okay. Just because you serve in the military doesn't necessarily mean you are steeped in all the knowledge. No, no, no.

Resoundingly no.

Resoundingly no.

Okay. I still think I would go forward because that's the true unknown. Even the 1500s, we could make an approximation based off the information that we do have because we do have information. Yeah. We don't know about tomorrow, though. And I'm telling you, with technology, the pace that things are evolving, I got to see it a little bit. Yeah. No, I hear you. Yeah.

Okay. I still think I would go forward because that's the true unknown. Even the 1500s, we could make an approximation based off the information that we do have because we do have information. Yeah. We don't know about tomorrow, though. And I'm telling you, with technology, the pace that things are evolving, I got to see it a little bit. Yeah. No, I hear you. Yeah.

Yeah, the subways from a New Yorker. I mean, obviously, almost every day that goes by, that's not happening.

Yeah, the subways from a New Yorker. I mean, obviously, almost every day that goes by, that's not happening.

The problem is you'd be in your little bubble and somebody would come cut you in pieces with your lightsaber and you wouldn't be able to come back with any information.

The problem is you'd be in your little bubble and somebody would come cut you in pieces with your lightsaber and you wouldn't be able to come back with any information.

I was going to say, you go forward and it's just black and you're sitting there like.

I was going to say, you go forward and it's just black and you're sitting there like.

you know can we go backwards 20 years we're all we're all we're all holograms yeah yeah you're like or just the world's not there anymore that's even scarier because we're idiots with nuclear weapons and somebody decided to let one off the chain and yeah you're just in the shadows like can we rewind 20 years and you're still in the shadows like shit can we ride 20 more and just figure out exactly what happened and where yeah we could warn people probably i don't know if they'd pay attention

you know can we go backwards 20 years we're all we're all we're all holograms yeah yeah you're like or just the world's not there anymore that's even scarier because we're idiots with nuclear weapons and somebody decided to let one off the chain and yeah you're just in the shadows like can we rewind 20 years and you're still in the shadows like shit can we ride 20 more and just figure out exactly what happened and where yeah we could warn people probably i don't know if they'd pay attention

They're hard people.

They're hard people.