Jon Fussell is the founder and CEO of Patriot Leadership Development. John spent his entire 20-year Naval career in the Naval Special Warfare Community. After serving in leadership positions at SEAL Teams Three, Ten, Four, and SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team Two he earned an assignment to Joint Special Operations Command's Naval Special Warfare Development Group. Throughout multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, he led our Nation’s most elite special mission units on hundreds of direct-action combat missions. Among other awards, he has earned four Bronze Stars with Valor, and two Presidential Unit Citations. Patriot Leadership Development: https://www.patriotld.com/ Today's Sponsors: Montana Knife Company - https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ LMNT - https://drinklmnt.com/CLEAREDHOT
Chapter 1: Who is John Fussell?
Ja.
Es ist einer der letzten. Sie schlagen es einfach auf, auf der Seite des Hills. Ich denke, wir sind hierher gekommen und wir haben aufgenommen. Wir waren hier ziemlich früh. Wir haben aufgenommen im Juni. Wir könnten, naja, wenn es war, ich versuche mich zurückzumachen. Wir haben einige ziemlich leichte Schneejahre gehabt. Selbst jetzt sind wir ein bisschen dünn, aber...
Yeah, there have been times where that's the last thing to open in Glacier Park. And for people listening, if you come to Glacier and you can go on the Going to the Sun Road, you should do it.
It's amazing. It's gorgeous. Yeah. So we came, we took off in like June of 2020. So we took off pretty early. It happened fast.
How much of a plan did you have when you departed Virginia?
Wir lebten also direkt außerhalb von Charlotte. Ich zeige euch, wie es dort aussah. Wir lebten außerhalb von Charlotte und mein Job ging sehr schnell remote, wahrscheinlich etwas schneller als die meisten. Nicht, weil ich einen Kristallball hatte, es ist einfach so.
I told my wife, I was like, hey, babe, remember that crazy idea you always had about driving the country that I was laughing your face about? She's like, yeah, you know, asshole. I think we can do it. Like, let's do it. So we, I mean, we came together. Did you have a Sprinter van at that time? Nope.
Hopefully you got in early, because let me tell you, the cost of Sprinter vans during the pandemic did not go down. We did. It was ridiculous.
I can tell you about, we did sell it because of that very fact. You probably broke even, I bet. We made a profit. Yeah. Ich meine, es war kriminell. Ich meine, ich war, wir waren auf der Straße und ich habe angefangen, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt, ich habe mich überlegt,
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Chapter 2: What challenges did John face during his military career?
You're gone.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
But I think you have to have the mentality going into that, you know, the whole Cortez, burn your ships kind of thing. That was my mentality. And I think most dudes that make it through, there's plenty of guys that come back and go through it later when they're a little bit more mature. Which isn't talked about a lot.
It's not talked about often. Most people think it's just graduate or quit, which, I mean, those are part of the options that happen in between there is a med role, performance role and an administrative drop, essentially. But Es ist oft vergessen, dass nur weil du diesen einen Fehler hast, welchen manche Leute enden, ihre Leben durch diesen Fehler zu definieren.
Sie können sich nicht mehr dorthin gehen. Du kannst dich aufhören, dich davon zu erlernen und zurück zu gehen. Es gab auch noch eine andere Sache. Nobody gives a shit in the teams. I never once asked a guy, hey man, how many times did you take you to get through buds? Right. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah.
And some of the best people, the best operators I was ever around come to find out later on, they did go through twice or they only a third time.
Like, oh, cool. I don't, I don't know. I'm just completely me just making up a fact or whatever. I would, I would speculate that of the guys that go through a second time, it was just a maturity thing. You went through pretty young, right?
Yes. I was barely 19.
The numbers are stacked against you. 18 and 19-year-olds don't. Fortunately, I'm an idiot.
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Chapter 3: How did COVID-19 influence John's family road trip?
Yeah, he's great. He's one of my favorite people. But his book, he did it the right way. His career path was amazing, unique, great timing, right place, right time for a bunch of amazing stuff. Didn't share anything that was on a level that he wasn't supposed to share. Didn't take credit for anything he didn't do. Yeah. Ich denke nicht, dass es jemandem eine schwierige Zeit gibt.
Ich war heute Morgen, schockierend genug kann ich manchmal nicht schlafen, also komme ich früh rein. Ich habe den letzten Draft des Buches gemacht, den ich beschlossen habe. Es gibt keine Kriegsgeschichten. Nicht einen einzigen. Wirklich? Denn das ist für mich Unterhaltung. I talked about failure. I talked about the first chapter is how I lost my trident the first time.
I like to say the first time. Hey, I got asked once by Jocko when I was on his podcast, what rank I got in the most trouble in. And I had to think about it deeply. And my answer is, I think it was an equal amount across the entire spectrum. I'm probably not the best person to work for. And I'm sure some of my bosses were like, you motherfucker. But the book itself is like,
Die Fehler, die ich gemacht habe, oder die Lessons, die ich gelernt habe, während ich in der Seel-Community war. Es hat diese Länge, aber es ist nicht komplett, es ist kein Seel-Buch. Es ist nicht so, hey, das ist, was Buds ist und all das. Aber das ist, was ich gelernt habe. Und ich hoffe, dass jemand anderes etwas damit machen kann, was mich durch den Weg gemacht hat.
Ja, keine Kriegsgeschichte, nichts. Ja, der Teil, den ich geschrieben habe, als ich geschossen wurde. Ich glaube, es war ein Paragraph. Ich war so, ich wurde geschossen. Ich landete auf meinem Rücken. Ende der Kriegsgeschichte.
Das ist es. Ja.
No heroic actions. I got pulled around a corner by my buddy who made the shirt that you're wearing. He literally dragged me around the corner. I argued with him about whether he should cut my pants. He's like, move your hand like direct pressure. He's got a pair of trauma shoes. Fucking arguing. God damn it. That was it. There's no heroic story or tale or anything like that.
I got asked to write that book for years and I finally did it because... What are the experiences that you and I have mean if we can't pass them on to somebody else? Yeah, that's fair. And I think that there's a way that you can do it without treading completely on that. But also, I earn the right to do with what I want to with my experiences, but I'm responsible for how I experience.
message that. If people are upset about that, that's my fault.
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