Jessica Kirson was a guest on WTF six years ago, when she talked with Marc about her start in comedy and her personal background. This time, she came back just to hang out and have some laughs. And for Marc at this exact moment in time, it was much needed and greatly appreciated. They talk about Jessica’s new special, I’m the Man, their experiences with crying, the never-ending fight against embarrassment, the many similarities from their New Jersey upbringings, and whatever else they’re thinking about during the hour. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What did Jessica Kirson discuss about her new special?
And I just think that, you know, I guess it's just a, I don't know if it's empathetic or I don't, I just, the feeling of that, it makes me, it tears me up.
Because they love something so much and it's a happy moment. It's beautiful.
Yeah, it's happy, but completely surprising. Right. Like never in their wildest fucking dreams ever think they'd even meet her. And they spend their lives being her. You know, out of homage, out of love. And just to see them have that moment, it's pretty human.
Yeah, it is. I know, I'm not going to watch it. It sounds too moving.
What, you don't cry?
No, I cry. Sometimes I put on music to make myself cry, because I'm having emotions and I can't get there. I didn't cry for years as a kid. This is horrible. But I really didn't, because my father did not have an easy time when I cried.
Yeah, I think I'm trying to remember. I seem to cry. Well, that's interesting about the music triggering the tears, because I'm doing my closing bit sort of about that. Yeah. About that. Not on purpose, but there are some things I'll listen to on purpose and they'll tear me up. But it never seems to be the appropriate moment to cry. It's always like a movie or a commercial or an animal video.
But when I'm in a relationship... Everything makes me cry. Yeah.
No, I just like, they're, I don't know. You know, I'm just, I'm not wired right. So what's going on?
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Chapter 2: How does crying relate to their experiences?
Yeah, he was always a Democrat.
Yeah.
And then, like a lot of people, a lot of Jewish people, he... Turned? Yeah.
Well, yeah, because they'd all sort of gotten away, or maybe were never really on board with this sort of progressive Jewish thing, you know, like the Jews in the 60s.
Yeah, my mom is, but yeah, you're right, my dad, yeah.
And then they realized, it's like, they're taking how much? Ha! And then it's sort of like, what are they doing to Israel? And that was it. It's both.
Yeah, you're right.
It's it. My money and Israel.
It's exactly what it was with him.
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Chapter 3: What are the cultural connections shared by Marc and Jessica?
Yeah.
So, you know, they feel like I have their back.
I've thought about that before and I've talked about it before. I don't think I talked about it with you. It seemed to me that there was a time in gay culture where it was kind of singular. And it was mostly gay men. But because the women were gay as well, they kind of had a... Yeah, that's true. You've got these tough butch lesbians. I guess we've got to go hang out with those guys.
What is she wearing? Yeah. Those guys. I'll become friends with her, because I need things fixed in my house. Yeah, it is a weird combination. Right? It is. It's real. Yeah, it's real. Older Lesbians have a thing about some gay men now, that they were there for them during AIDS. They really showed up. And I think some of them feel like gay men don't support them.
Oh, really?
That's the older generation.
Yeah.
I've heard that a lot.
Yeah, I once saw a sketch, it must have been at the Aspen Comedy Festival, that I thought was one of the best sketches about gay culture that I'd ever seen. Because it was really, it was about this gay couple who were the older generation. And they were just all sitting around with their leather hat. Wow!
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