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Chapter 1: What jobs did Maxine have before trucking?
I did have work for a city bus, and I came back to trucking, I want to say four years ago. And even my son, when he was little, I showed him the truck, and he said, my mom was driving the truck. I'm like, yeah, the bills got to be paid, baby. I saw it as a way to get my bills paid, and it seemed to have some enjoyment about it, I thought. And it does. We just need better pay.
This is Maxine. She is a 60-year-old long-haul truck driver based in North Carolina. How big is the truck? Oh, this is a 53-foot trailer. Oh, that's really big, right? That's it. Yes. Do people ask you to honk your horn all the time?
Chapter 2: What is Maxine's trucking experience?
Sometimes, especially babies, and I don't mind. I've had babies myself. They're all grown and grandbabies. I don't mind. I love everybody's babies.
Maxine took time off for a few other jobs, but she's been trucking off and on for different companies since 2004. She's driven routes all over the country, but right now she works what's called a dedicated route, which means she's always delivering home goods for a specific company through the same stretch of the country.
We talked on the phone before she headed out from North Carolina for her next drive to South Carolina and then on to Louisiana. Maxine is one of about three and a half million truckers in the U.S. who literally make the rest of our lives possible. She is an indispensable part of American life. And like a lot of truckers, she is not making enough to get by. Maxine works hard.
Week after week, she barely buys anything. And still, she can't always pay her bills. And she is not alone. This week, we're going to follow Maxine through a week of her life on the road and hear the benefits and the price of life as a trucker. I'm Courtney Harrell, and this is what we spend. The first thing to know about trucking is that the pay is confusing.
Chapter 3: How does the pay structure work for truck drivers?
You can get paid by the day, by the hour.
Companies typically choose how to pay based on the kind of route someone is driving. So hourly pay is more likely for local routes with frequent stops in a smaller area. But most long-haul truckers like Maxine are paid by the mile, not hours worked. How much you earn per mile is a calculation of a bunch of factors.
What you're carrying, how far you're driving, who you're driving for, and how many years you've been doing this. But no matter your rate, you only earn that if you're moving, on the road with a truck full of goods. How much money do you make?
Okay, so my taxes this year, I think it was $44,000. Okay. And it fell from grace. I was making like $1,600 a week. I saw my way of being able to get a home and a little bit of land and place the park truck trailer. But it went from that to my checks could be $380, $480 in one week, $500 in one week. What happened? That's what I want to know. They say it's the rates. And then the loads.
Chapter 4: What challenges does Maxine face with her paycheck?
Rates and loads. Basically, Maxine told me that these days there's less merchandise for her to carry and she's getting paid less to carry it. That is not just a Maxine problem. The freight market has been in a recession the last few years because when manufacturing, construction and retail markets slow down, there's just less goods to carry, fewer loads.
And that means there's less work available, which leads to lower rates.
And, you know, drivers get together and talk. As you can imagine, we're in the yard and we're walking outside talking to each other about loads. Like, hey, what's going on with you? What's going on with you? We're all saying, you know, the load issue. And this young man that used to work at Walmart, he was like, I might have to go back to Walmart because there's no loads.
I got bills, transport, blah, blah, blah, he was saying. And I prayed about it. I said, Lord, I don't know what type of mountains I got to climb and what's going to be thrown at me. But I can't keep going from job to job to job. They all seem to have problems with loads.
According to the most recent data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average trucker takes home about $57,000 a year, about $10,000 more than Maxine made last year. But remember, they're paid by the mile. So sometimes drivers like Maxine end up on the road for so long waiting for loads to come through that if they were paid hourly, they'd be making less than minimum wage.
I've had paychecks where it was zero, where I owed the company.
Oh, wow.
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Chapter 5: What are Maxine's living expenses?
Yeah, I got two paychecks in a row like that. Wait, what do you owe the company for? It's because I borrowed $500 advance from the next paycheck so I could make rent. Then say my next pay was only $480. Then I owe the company the rest of that advance, and then it'll go into the next week as well. And if, say, that week was the week that the truck set up,
And between sitting up and not having a load until the following week, then I won't have a paycheck that week either.
What do you do when you don't have a paycheck come through or when you get a paycheck that's like, I owe money?
Let me tell you, I came back to where I was living. I sat down with the manager. I never left them alone, the manager of the apartment complex. I always showed up when I told them I was going to show up if I had money or not. And I signed a promissory note to pay within six months, period. And he told me, he said, Maxine, we know, I believe you'll pay.
You've always told us what was up and was here. And if I had nothing left, I made sure he got paid and my other bills got paid. My finance company, my credit card, I didn't ditch out on nobody.
Maxine owes money to a finance company because she took out what's called a debt consolidation loan to reduce a bunch of her debt to one payment with a lower interest rate.
So now the game play is I pay off the credit card in a finance company. $296 with the finance company up the street. I think I got $1,800 left on theirs. And then I have another finance company that I pay $450 to a month. And there's $17,000.
Is that debt from regular living expenses or is there a larger expense that is just from bills?
That's from me not making the money that I need.
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Chapter 6: How does Maxine manage her expenses on the road?
I kind of, um, well... After life hit me, I looked at... You know, you have the B and the C plan. Yeah. Because originally, as a child, you know, it was medical, the medical field and nursing. I kind of clicked with that, you know. And I had the issues that was horrible throughout my youth. And... I went through a lot of abusive stuff. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. He was a monster.
But when I got into my adult life and I started looking at, you know, other plans and my father always said, you know, you're really good with driving. My mother said that, too. I would go with the church members, especially elderly church members, and get them to church. I'll give you an example. When I started driving buses, I had one of the most toughest instructors to check me.
And when he told me, he said, Maxine, you're putting me to sleep. I was like, dang, I got it. If I could put your butt to sleep, amen. Yeah, I mean, that is impressive. Wow. So when I got my chance to learn how to drive the trailers, I did.
So you had your parents saying you were a good driver.
Yeah.
But what else was it about trucking that made you be like, oh, as soon as I get the chance to do that, that's what I'm going to do?
Just driving makes me calm. Driving calms me down. I feel safe when I'm driving. And... That's probably from my background, my childhood and teenagehood and stuff, just being in a space where I feel comfortable and it worked out.
Maxine went to trucking school in Kansas, where she learned a bunch of driving techniques that would help once she was out there on her own. Like how to turn no matter how long the wheels span. How to keep control through high-grade hills. How to see the road in front of a long-nose truck. And she learned a healthy respect for the massive machines. Learned to stay vigilant all the time.
And she loved it. What is the best part of the job?
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Chapter 7: What does Maxine enjoy about being a truck driver?
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Audio diary day one. I'm recording in Polk, Florida in a company tractor trailer at a rest stop.
today i started my morning out as usual you start your pre-trips starting inside the truck and then outside the truck checking everything out thoroughly after things are clear and you can get on the road you start your travel and it was a really good morning for travel very nice very nice drive i kept driving to around 10 took a quick break
in uh the florida welcome trucks rest stop uh off of 75 south which was a very very very nice looking rest stop um very clean looking i got to talk to a few people as i went about my business so i uh didn't hang around long had to get back do a 30 minute break and uh got back on 75 south
and uh you know cars are gonna cut through traffic and cut the trucks off that's pretty normal the better thing is not to cut them off and not to get in front of them some cars will speed as if they're gonna keep their speed and get in front of the truck and all of a sudden slow completely down to almost a stop And they love to do this going downhill.
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Chapter 8: What does a day in Maxine's life look like?
I got to a stop, truck stop. This is a little different. This is called a gas and go is where I perched tonight. The gas and go is like a mini grocery store. They have everything from frozen meats, which I did need for my little freezer in my truck. So I grabbed up just a few cold items for that freezer. Some turkey sausages, some corn.
I think I got sweet peas, which I love sweet peas, especially with my rice. and throw those items in the fridge. And I tried their potatoes. They got a little deli in there. They make the best wedge potatoes. Also, I saw a little brownie and I almost didn't allow myself to have it, but I did. And I'm glad I did. That was a very, very good brownie. So I spent tonight $42.06, which is crazy.
But I now have food in the freezer. That'll last me a month.
Are you in the truck right now? I am. Yeah, will you just kind of describe the inside of it to me? Like, what would I see if I was in there?
Well, when you get in and you'll see the steering wheel, the seats, and... And all of the electronic equipment and things. And then there's a bed. I don't have the best hips and back. So I have two mattresses. Cubbies in the front. And in the back area, there's cabinets I put food in. And I have some cooking things so I can cook. A little glance. And that's G-A-L-A-N-Z.
Those things are wonderful things. refrigerator and and a little oven i've had the refrigerator oven in here the refrigerator i bought the oven one of the drivers had a glance and he gave me a glance how do you cook in there well i have um a little pan uh we have an inverter that you can plug it up to and um a buddy of mine gave me a coffee pot that boils water in seconds so i get my my uh
As long as Maxine stays at her current job, she's always driving the same truck. So all these things in her kitchen, plus the tea and the extra mattress and an old picture of her son's basketball team, make the truck she spends so much time in feel more like her own.
This is Audio Diary 3. I started my day pretty much the same. I made the two and a half hour drive from that gas and go to the Alabama 280 West. And that was for the delivery of the freight. And I got it there a few days early. So they allowed me to park the trailer, and then I could bobtail out. And the part of the truck that's only the truck without the trailer is called a bobtail.
So I bobtail out. I headed to the Loves. It was about 45 minutes, maybe 53 minutes away through the mountains. And those It had its high points and low drops, you know, lots of curves in the road. But once I got to the Loves, I did go buy a Taco Bell and get a quesadilla. I spent $8. And inside Loves, I spent another $8. So that's a total of $16 for the day.
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