We're Out of Time
Is this the WORST Drug Epidemic in History? Dr. Kenneth Spielvogel
Tue, 04 Feb 2025
Join Richard Taite and special guest Dr. Kenneth Spielvogel as they explore the impact of the drug epidemic on mental health in this thought-provoking video. Is this the worst drug epidemic in history? Watch to find out more. Dr. Kenneth Spielvogel is a Senior Medical Officer with a Special Interest in Addiction Medicine. For all things Richard Taite, the We're Out Of Time podcast, and Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa: https://linktr.ee/richardtaite Key moments from this conversation with Dr. Kenneth Spielvogel & Richard Taite. Intro 00:00 What dangers are youth facing today that they weren't a generation ago? 00:40 Are we seeing the first decrease in overdose-related deaths in the past half-decade? 01:38 What substance are some addicts using that isn't fit for humans? And WHAT animal is it intended for? 04:14 Fentanyl crisis, a matter of national security? 7:03 Did the policies of the past 4 years lead to the increase in drug trafficking? 11:16 What exactly is Pink Cocaine, and why has it been in the news lately? 19:43 What truly is the gateway drug? 22:10
Chapter 1: What dangers are youth facing today that they weren't a generation ago?
Interesting in 2024, there was actually the first year of a decrease in opioid-related deaths. You know why that was? I like to know like what we're going to go over so I can prepare. So I sound like I know what I'm talking about. Excellent. We don't need to prepare for this. Okay, well then let's just jump right into it. What I want to talk about today is all these new designer drugs, right?
Chapter 2: Are we seeing the first decrease in overdose-related deaths?
All the drugs that are out today, because it was different than when you and I were kids. When we were kids, there was cocaine, there was heroin, there was mushrooms, there was acid, there was alcohol.
and weed and weed that was it really right i mean he had some prescription pills right but but that was it and today you've got all this menagerie of stuff and it's more dangerous because we don't know what's in them they're all synthetic right Well, let's run through them. Let's do it. So, you know, Fennell's daddy, right?
So, interesting in 2024, there was actually the first year of a decrease in opioid-related deaths. You know why that was? Why? Because they're dead. That is so bad. But it's true, right? I mean, people are dead. Users are dead. And probably there's a little bit more street knowledge in Narcan. So those two are really it.
I don't think that usage wise, if they did it just like raw usage wise, I doubt we're going to see a big decline in usage, but number of deaths definitely decreased. You know, fentanyl is a drug that we use regularly in the hospital. It's used for acute pain. It's a great drug. It's a great drug in obstetrics. And I'll tell you why. Because number one, it's rapid onset.
Chapter 3: What is Pink Cocaine and why is it in the news?
So somebody comes in extreme pain, needs pain relief. Give a drug 50 to 100 micrograms. So now we know why they like it. Right. Fast onset. Well, it's the closest manufactured synthetic opioid to heroin. Right. So heroin is very fast. Right. So they are very similar as a drug. So rapid onset, rapid off, minimal crossing across the placenta. So you don't get a baby that's overly sedated.
So a great drug in obstetrics, a great drug for acute pain in the ER, in the OR even. Very potent with minimal use. Problem being, the difference between a therapeutic dose and a lethal dose is minuscule. It's drops of sand, grains of sand, if you will. When the DEA this past year in 2024 took pills that were illegally manufactured and The average, listen to this number, it's insane.
Chapter 4: Is the fentanyl crisis a matter of national security?
Chapter 5: What are the new designer drugs affecting communities?
So, interesting in 2024, there was actually the first year of a decrease in opioid-related deaths. You know why that was? Why? Because they're dead. That is so bad. But it's true, right? I mean, people are dead. Users are dead. And probably there's a little bit more street knowledge in Narcan. So those two are really it.
I don't think that usage wise, if they did it just like raw usage wise, I doubt we're going to see a big decline in usage, but number of deaths definitely decreased. You know, fentanyl is a drug that we use regularly in the hospital. It's used for acute pain. It's a great drug. It's a great drug in obstetrics. And I'll tell you why. Because number one, it's rapid onset.
So somebody comes in extreme pain, needs pain relief. Give a drug 50 to 100 micrograms. So now we know why they like it. Right. Fast onset. Well, it's the closest manufactured synthetic opioid to heroin. Right. So heroin is very fast. Right. So they are very similar as a drug. So rapid onset, rapid off, minimal crossing across the placenta. So you don't get a baby that's overly sedated.
So a great drug in obstetrics, a great drug for acute pain in the ER, in the OR even. Very potent with minimal use. Problem being, the difference between a therapeutic dose and a lethal dose is minuscule. It's drops of sand, grains of sand, if you will. When the DEA this past year in 2024 took pills that were illegally manufactured and The average, listen to this number, it's insane.
Wow.
Yep. That's why they're dropping. Right. And people will say, well, now we can screen and we can test and we have chem strips. Problem being, and I think we talked about this last time, right? It's like a chocolate chip cookie.
You get one little section of that cookie that's got more concentrated dose of fentanyl and you strip off a little bit of the pill and test it and it looks uniform and clean. It still isn't necessarily clean. That's right. So fentanyl is an ongoing problem. We can recognize that. You know, let's move on to another one. So carfentanil, which is, you know, essentially a drug unfit for human beings.
Listen to this. It's essentially a tranquilizer that was used to put down elephants in the zoo. So it's an elephant tranquilizer. Yes, literally. Yeah. No, no. But it wasn't even meant to like tranquilize them. It was meant to put them down. Put them down. Okay. So you're telling me, hold on. I want to get this straight. Yes.
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Chapter 6: How does Narcan contribute to combating opioid overdoses?
And she said, no. And I said, because when somebody like me, who looks like me, goes across the border, they are less likely to get checked. That's why. But they're just a mule. They were handed... the package right before they got to the border. And right when they passed the border, they handed off to another person, right, who distributes it along the street. And she wasn't hearing it.
Chapter 7: What is the role of xylosine in the drug epidemic?
She just couldn't do it. And I thought to myself, you know, you have to look at something as the truth, okay? You have to be real about it. Nothing has been done over the last four years regarding the fentanyl crisis.
The Democrats don't even talk about it.
The Republicans talk about it. And I'm in the business of treating drug addicts and alcoholics. So for me, I'm... grateful that this i'm grateful for this new chapter because i want to see if it happens because here there's hope over the last four years there hasn't been hope And I was gone for most of it. I think you bring up great points.
I mean, believe me, without getting into my political preferences, one of the first things I thought about with border security is if they can stop the flow, it's obviously going to help. Do I think it's going to eliminate? No. There's still going to be manufacturing in the United States. People are still going to be able to get supplies. The drive is too big. The payoff is too big.
I like the aspect of educating people on Narcan and making Narcan readily available. It'll help with fentanyl for sure. It has. It helps with heroin, helps with opioid overdoses. One drug it doesn't have, if we want to talk about another one, is xylosine. And xylosine is combined with fentanyl to create a drug called Trank. You know, it's a street name.
And that's the drug when, especially when looking back to Philly. So Philadelphia is one of the first places where we saw this as an epidemic. Seattle, it's definitely migrated across now. So the reason why they use xylosine, which is a drug that's used in veterinary medicine, So not for elephants, but used in veterinary medicine for anesthetic purposes for animals. Cheap, easy to get.
But what xylodine does is combined with fentanyl. So we talked about fentanyl being short onset, right? Short acting. So rapid onset, but the downside for addicts doesn't last very long. What am I going to do there? So add some trank to it. And now you get this longer lasting effect.
that's similar to that fentanyl high, but different, more of a very dissociated zombie-like state, which is why they started calling it the zombie drug. People walking around literally with rigid arms and legs in a zombie-like state. They look like they're rubbing their knuckles against the ground. Yeah. Awful. I mean, some of the images from Portland are just so disturbing.
Do you know what feels the best for these people? When they're, they've got a hole in their arm and you can see the bone. They literally take their shots and they do it on the flesh and inside the hole because it feels better for some reason. I don't get it. Yeah, there's probably some anesthetic element as well as rapid onset to it. So that's a downside, right?
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