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The Science of Healing Heartbreak with Florence Williams

Thu, 13 Feb 2025

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385. The Science of Healing Heartbreak with Florence Williams  Author and journalist, Florence Williams discusses the science of heartbreak and the key to healing.  -The four crucial steps to take when recovering from heartbreak  -What is actually happening in our bodies when we are heartbroken -Glennon’s surprising revelations about her own heartbreak  -How heartbreak and awe are intrinsically connected  Florence Williams is author of "The Nature Fix" and, most recently, Heartbreak: A Personal and Scientific Journey. Florence explores the connections between humans and the natural world, and reveals the profound psychological and physiological benefits of rewilding our lives. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: How does quitting social media affect mental health?

0.683 - 22.896 Glennon

Since November, Abby, Amanda, and I have been planning, dreaming up ways for this community to show up for each other, take care of each other, and continue building community. But you know that several months ago I quit social media, and the effects of that quitting on my nervous system, mind, and heart have been as dramatic as when I quit drinking.

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23.236 - 49.917 Glennon

It's been wild, and it's been extremely important for me to experience. Since that quitting, I have felt calmer, braver, and clearer, actually. And in the midst of that, we have come up with some honestly terrifyingly realer and more embodied ways to connect with you and as a community than on social media.

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50.057 - 68.224 Glennon

I want to keep showing up for each other and I want to keep building community now more than ever, but I don't want to do it on social media anymore. So here's what I'm telling you today. Soon I'm going to be inviting you into something special and the invitation is first going to go to you through my new newsletter.

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68.244 - 88.129 Glennon

Okay, I have a new newsletter and all of my invitations and Abby and Amanda's invitations to new projects, new events, all the beautiful offerings we're planning are going to come to you first on this newsletter. All right, now listen, if history proves to be an indicator, what will happen is the newsletter will go out.

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88.59 - 112.286 Glennon

Everyone who receives the newsletter will sign up for these offerings and then they will be sold out. That's what happens. And then everyone gets sad and mad who didn't get the invitation in time. And since I am in my programs, I know that will not be my responsibility, but still I don't want it to happen. So please sign up for the newsletter now so you won't be sad or mad later.

113.103 - 132.927 Glennon

And if you have friends that you think want to be part of these offerings in this moment, email them, tag them, whatever you need to do to get the newsletter to them because I won't be promoting it heavily on social media. Now, I can promise you two things about this newsletter. I will be writing to you directly. It will be me. I miss writing to you directly. I'm going to do it on the newsletter.

132.987 - 153.829 Glennon

It might be the only place that I'm doing that. And two, I will never sell or give or whatever people do with emails, okay? I will keep them safe and sacred. So here's what you do. Go to glennandoyle.com. You will see a sign-up box in the top middle of the page where you can submit your email address. If you're on Instagram, go to my page, click the link in bio.

154.169 - 171.777 Glennon

You will see sign up for newsletter as the second button. Click the button and submit your email address. That's it. We are going to keep showing up for each other. The invitations will start coming soon on the newsletter. So go register now and I'll see you there.

183.908 - 210.274 Glennon

Hello, pod squad. Today we have a good news, bad news, good news day, because today we are talking about heartbreak. And if you haven't had heartbreak, well, lucky, lucky you. And the only people that may be luckier than you are the people who have, because although it's something we would not wish on anyone, it really does

Chapter 2: Why is community building important post-social media?

548.121 - 567.775 Florence Williams

I finished making the salad, you know, put it on the table. At some point later, I managed to kind of grab his phone, which didn't have a passcode on it. And really read the rest of the message, read some other messages. And yeah, that was the beginning. Yeah, that was the beginning.

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568.608 - 590.063 Glennon

So eventually you're trying to figure out what to do. You send him to figure it out, right? Like go, you've got to figure out what you want. Can you tell us what this, what he said was so interesting and heartbreaking in a little way to me too, when he came back from his trip where he was trying to sort out what he wanted, what he said to you?

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590.083 - 616.397 Florence Williams

I think there were a couple of things that are really salient in my mind, but one of them is, well, I don't want to upset the apple cart. Let's just try to keep going. And that wasn't what I wanted to hear. You know, what I wanted to hear was, I still love you. I care about making this work. And it was more like, I don't want to upset the apple cart. So that, that was the first blow.

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616.697 - 624.403 Florence Williams

And then eventually there was another one where he said, I feel like I really need to go find my soulmate. Yeah.

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624.723 - 626.146 Glennon

Brutal again.

626.347 - 627.97 Florence Williams

Not coming back from that one.

629.554 - 651.239 Glennon

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So now it's settled down. And then it begins settling. You're like, okay, I'm a scientist. I can figure this out. I'm going to go figure it out. What are you just, for the people who are going through heartbreak or have been and thought it was just like a weakness in their minds, like they couldn't just figure it out and get over it.

651.799 - 658.263 Glennon

Tell us what you learned is like actually happening in our bodies when we are crushed like this.

658.837 - 676.78 Florence Williams

Yeah. And I think, you know, you're right to sort of point to our friends or when we see other people going through heartbreak. I know I had never experienced it before. And I always thought when my friends were going through this that they were being sort of dramatic. You know, it's like, oh, obviously he wasn't the right guy or wasn't the right girl. Just get over it.

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