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We're excited to see you guys. All right. Let's get into this Real Housewives of New York reunion part two. Thank Jehoshaphat. It was only two parts because I was almost going to throw something at the TV, but I really love my TV so much I couldn't by the end of this. I cannot believe they all caved. You bunch of fucking cavers. What's wrong with you people?
this was, this was a long, long episode. It was, it was supersized and yeah, they did all cave. I mean, you know, it's, I think though, like on a certain level, like I think we all feel bad for brand. She is a damaged person who has to lie to get through life. And like, I don't want to be friends with that. I don't even want to watch it, but I can still feel bad for her.
Like for the, the, the traumas in her life that have happened. really formed this as her personality. Like you do feel bad, but like, I don't, I hope Jessel does not. I hope Jessel moves onwards and upwards because Bryn really fucked with Jessel's marriage. Like really everything that Jessel says is like really true. And that's really devastating.
Well, it's not that I don't feel bad for Brynn's traumas, but I don't feel bad for Brynn in general. She's a fucking mess of a person. She's a destructive person, period. I try to separate people, like people that can, people that are just too destructive that don't warrant my time. Like you don't get to, you don't get to bluster with your stories anymore at this point.
You're just harmful and you're mean and you're a liar. You don't tell any fucking truth ever. And all you do is fuck with other people and try and ruin them. So people like that, no, I don't care about it. Like her stories are sad. Yes. But like, I get her away from me. Just go over there. Go over there. Yeah. Horrible. And her bad crying and the Botox is terrible. She can't even move her face.
And then she doesn't even cry. Like there were so many moments today where it's like, and the second no one bought it, she immediately drops it. There's no tears. Her face just goes completely blank. I mean, it's just creepy. Get her out of here. I'm done. I'm officially done.
Listen, you can be broken and damaged and you can be all those things. You can be a liar. You can be destructive. But if you're not campy and funny, then we have no use for you.
Humor will get the audience to forgive a lot. Yes. And you have... And not telling jokes.
It's not about telling jokes. It's like you have to have a certain camp value to you about a certain light delusion that we enjoy. But Brynn doesn't have that. And Brynn thinks she does.
Brynn's delusion is terrifying. Also, did you read that her line of, I'm like carbon monoxide that was stolen from a movie. You know that, right?
i didn't know that someone sent that to us what movie was it again i don't know mila kunis and something yeah someone said it was mila kunis was it black swan no no no i mean mila kunis has been in like two movies that i've seen black swan and forgetting sarah marshall and then uh nothing really since then and i think you know
Oh, I loved her in that one she did with Ashton Kutcher where they're basically standing up for the guy from that 70s show after his rape charges. That was a great film. Okay, so let's go to part two. The Real Housewives of New York City reunion starts now. Jessel, did you get boobs put on your face? I mean, there's just something different about you.
Well, I haven't finished my sentence, Andy. The answer is yes. You just have to let me finish my sentence. Also, Bryn, I mean, Bryn distorts my words and says I was talking about the love of my life who has been my husband for 10 years and the father of my children. And Jenna's like, an apology is more fucking works.
It's no more fucking words because honestly, the spin is really dark and I just cannot believe they would actually do that to her, Bryn.
But I didn't know. I'm sorry. I didn't know any of that. But you did. You did know. And you knew that wasn't her husband. And you actually, you chose to bring it up. And I just, I'm crying right now. I just can't believe you did it.
I'm just so upset about it. I want to prove to you that I'm not that person. I'm a sexy baby. And I want to earn back your friendship. And I'm like, absolutely like mortified. I mean, not by anything else I did this season, but this I'll be mortified about. You think I really want to fuck with someone's fucking marriage? Yes, Brynn. We all think you do.
Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Your whole shtick is fucking with people's marriages. I'm thinking when I do that, I always thought I was making a cute joke. No. And so, you know, still, still just ran deflecting. It was just a joke. So now everyone's talking over each other and she's like, oh my God, didn't anyone chastise me? Did everyone say like, oh my God, this is so horrible.
I mean, it was me that I said it. Now you apology and I'm sorry. Okay.
And, um, uh, and so she's like, and then she's, was she basically saying like, why didn't anyone like call me to task about lying?
It's like, it's not my, it's like, she's saying that nobody made it a big deal then, but now everybody's making it such a big deal. And she's sorry.
you know but that's you lied no one knew it was a lie no one knew it was real that's exactly right and so and that's how she works she just keeps spouting things that sound like oh well that's true but then they're not true at all they're all fucking she still lies she just adds lies on top of the other lies and sidelines
And Cy basically is like, you know, when I saw that, I sent a text message, you know, because I apologize. I felt bad after I saw that. And Ringo's like, congrats. And Jessel's like, you don't understand the work that I put through. You know, like, I don't want him to ever question my integrity.
I don't want him to be eating his fried chicken and think for one moment while he's biting into that meat and getting mayonnaise all over his chin and lettuce everywhere on his lap. That he's wondering, oh, I wonder if my wife is cheating on me at this moment. I don't want that. I want him to be lost in his own slovenly, disgusting ways.
Yeah, he like gives me free reign. I can do whatever I want, you know. And now he's questioning me. And the other day was the first time I said, are you eating upon me? And he said, no, I'm eating upon you. It's just, it's over, Brian. You've done this. And she's like, oh, my God. I guess I just should have said nothing, period. Yeah, well, there's that.
So she says she's sorry again in her fake tears. And then Andy's like, give this tissue to Jessel. And Jenna's like, I did give it to her. Oh, wait, I used it. Sorry. That was a good monologue, though, that I gave, right? Did you believe it? God. I'm so embarrassed that I did that right now.
All right. I want to talk about the conversation that happened between Uba and Brynn on the last night of the Hamptons, specifically about the advice that you gave Uba about not being portrayed as an angry black woman. And so Brynn is like, we see a flashback of Brynn saying like, I want you to marry Oliver and I want you to, and I want Oliver to marry you.
And I don't want you coming up like an angry black woman, you know? So what was the context of that? And like, no one wants to speak up. Anyone?
No? But I just wanted to protect you, you know? And when you were saying they're going to give you the fair treatment because like Erin did, because she's white. And Erin's like, what? I didn't say that. She goes, you guys, you guys, she didn't say it. Why is everybody making me feel crazy if she said it? She goes, I would never sit here and not tell the truth. Oh, really?
Aaron is another big fucking liar. And I can't believe Aaron got off this entire reunion scot-free. Even this one. And Aaron's compulsively lying, too, during this one. But no one's furious, so I will be furious for them.
Yeah, so Erin is like, she didn't say they're gonna give Erin the fair treatment. And Uba's like, you come from a part of G, stay there. Okay, Brynn, no. So Brynn is like, no, no, no, sorry. Uba says Brynn. It's confusing because I've got a lot of capitalized words. I can't tell who's speaking, but I'm pretty sure that Brynn did not say swear to Allah. Yeah. So Uber's like, you start talking.
No, no, no, boo, boo, boo. Listen to me, boo. You know, you know what you and Oliver have now. Like, just no, boo, boo, boo, boo. And Bryn's like, I didn't say you can't do this. No, you lie left and right. If anyone believe you, Bryn, it is. It's whatever. It's not my business.
And she's like, you can't tell me that you think that was my intention, that I'm going to sit there and say that to you. You did sit there and say that to her. You said, don't be like this in front of Oliver or he's going to look at you as an angry black woman and dump you. We just saw the video. And she's like, oh, you're right. The angry black woman. And she's like, well, I tried to defend you.
I'm just protective of you because you're protective of me. And she goes, I don't care because I'm not. And Andy's like, OK, well, let me ask you this. Why insinuate to Uba that Oliver may not want to be with her if she acts a certain way? She goes, no, I didn't say Oliver wouldn't want to be with you. I said I want everything for you. No, you didn't. They just really never say it, babe.
But you did mention Oliver, and she was already insecure in a relationship, so it seemed like you might be weaponizing that. And the weapon had some new boobs, right? And Brynn's like, no, I wasn't weaponizing. I was being like sexifying it. I was like, don't allow my stupid ass to fuck up what you actually want and what matters in life.
this lie doesn't even make sense. Like it's clearly not what she said. And Uba's like, you know, do you know why I'm going to marry Oliver? Besides the fact that he's rich as fuck. He lets me be who I am. I sleep until 11. And they're like, oh my God. He's like, well, the internet didn't like the advice you had for Uba.
Twit from Ter said, Brynn telling Uba to stop being angry if she wants to marry her boyfriend. It's been a while since I heard something so microaggressive. And Sammy Jo says, for Aaron to be the one that's there to correct Brynn is wild. Because Aaron is also full of microaggressions and stupid fucking things to say. And Aaron goes, oh, really? Oh, Aaron, thanks a lot, Jody Lynn Sue.
So what was your reaction to the backlash? Um, first of all, like, don't bring Aaron into this. Like, poor Aaron. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was your reaction? Um, I think it was, like, hurtful. Like, I'm biracial and I identify as a black woman. And it was really hard to reach that and see that because, like, I know my intention, but, like, I said something wrong.
And maybe even if I'm allowed to say certain terms, like, we can talk about things. Like, maybe it's not always appropriate to bring it back because, like, we, you know, identify as black, but, like, I haven't had the same...
experience with you and uber goes well i've had an excellent experience i have never had a bad experience being black everyone's like yeah i'm just saying like as a black woman in the world just no i get everything for free
And Brent's like, but I'm biracial. So I get that there's a difference. And Andy's like, wait a minute. Do black people get things for free? Oh my God. Sometimes Andy just listen, you know? She's like, I don't know. I'm so hot. I don't even care. You know, you understand getting upgraded. Guys holding my bag. I don't, you know, I don't even experience hardship.
And he's like, wait, is it because you're black or because you're hot? And she's like, it's because I'm hot and black. But Aaron's like, yeah, she's just so hot. I mean, I guess.
I love being hot and black. So then Aaron is like, I think the issue is that when you said that in your mind, you thought you were being protective, but it was out of context because it kind of felt like out of left field. Let me help you with this really simple way to apologize. And then he's like, yeah, I think that's what she's trying to apologize for. Yeah, I accept it.
As a hot person, I will accept your apology.
It is unkind for hot people to not accept apology from less hot people, Andy. So to the lady in the weird negligee, I forgive you. There. It's basically like giving to the Salvation's Army. Right, Andy? So then they cut for break and Bryn walks off alone. And Aaron's like, oh, my God. Is anyone, like, even friends with her? She's alone. I feel so bad. Yeah.
And they're like, yeah, I know. Someone should say something. Don't take the bait.
I love this. I was like, don't take the bait.
I really enjoyed Sigh in this reunion. I would say, you know, because everyone keeps talking about, like, what do we do with Roni? I think Sigh has actually earned a spot in the next one. I think that Sigh has not had good stuff to work with. Seeing her now this season, she is like... She does give like that honest sort of response and she is quick. And like, we didn't see it much last season.
Last season, she was grouchy and kind of annoying and very much about being an influencer. And this season she is giving real housewives, but she doesn't, I mean, look what she has to, to, to, to, to work off of bounce off of. So I feel like give, you know, put Cy and Jessel on a cast and Uba and then build around that with some like crazy people from the Upper East Side.
And I think we've got a show. Oh God, no.
I'm going to say the same thing I say when I walk into a Tender Greens. Throw it all away. All of it. Throw it all away. Unsavable. Bring me some French fries.
Uba makes me laugh, though. So, like, I feel like when people make me laugh, there's credit. Jaisal makes me laugh. And I'm saying, like, not because they make jokes, but because Uba says things like... Oh yeah, I'm hot. I get everything for free. So I love being hot.
Well, Uwe had a good segment, but this whole show has distressed me and it needs to go. There, that's where I stand. I'm not changing.
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So Jenna's like, I mean, it's just like she just talks in a circle. It's like insane. I have no idea what she's talking about. And so basically they're all talking about how nuts Brynn is. But they're all there were parts in this where I was like, God, this whole cast is really mean. Like, they do really kind of stand together and mean girl. Or like when they were with Minkoff later.
I was like, damn. Like, these girls are harsh. They were so mean. Yeah, they get, like, mean girly. But I don't really feel bad for Brynn. I just mostly feel afraid of the ladies. They're not fun. I just need more fun. Okay, so Rebecca comes, and she is getting out, you know, getting dressed and stuff. And meanwhile...
But see, Uba and Aaron are eating lunch and Uba's like, I really like that you are not letting anyone slide. And Aaron's like, but it's just so hard for me. Cause like, I feel bad when she cries. Don't you feel bad? I feel so bad. Let me show you how bad I feel while I sit here and eat salad and don't move to go comfort bread.
I know, right? let me just finish my sweet grain. Um, it was like, I mean, you think people are going to go through shit and then you hear other people's story and then you're like, we don't know what other people are carrying, you know?
So then, well, there's this one part where Uba's like, uh, are you kidding? Like, of course I feel bad. I didn't know that she knows the guy that assaulted her. I mean, God, do you know how that would feel? I don't think I'd be able to live here. And Aaron's just like, well, I would want him to go to jail. which is another like shaming of not calling the police on the guy.
Aaron's just so fucking gross.
Like I actually did not, I did not take that as shaming of not, I took it as like, it sucks that like that, that, that this is the way the situation is like, like, well, I took it that way because of what she said in the last reunion, which was just adding onto that.
Like, why aren't you calling? Why aren't you doing something like that? So then Jenna goes to Brynn's dressing room and tries to talk to her, I guess. And then Aaron's like, yeah, the thing with Brynn is that she believes everything she's saying. So that's what's scary. So now we go to Brynn's dressing room with Brynn and Jenna.
And Brynn's like, I feel dead inside, you know, like a sexy dead person. Beautiful little baby girl.
Yeah, well, out there, everyone's having a hard time. Like, this is fucking hard. Okay? Everyone's like, yeah, I just want a hug. Don't throw me at me. And Jenna's like, well.
Don't be mad at me. Like, I'm scared. It's like, I'm scared of everyone. You're not scared of everyone. You're scared of consequences. Now, go take it.
So then in Raquel's dressing room, so I was like, did she say I tormented her? She said I made her life hell. And Raquel's like, yeah, for like five weeks. She's like, yeah, what did I do? She's like, you didn't do shit like me this entire season. Yeah, even Andy's like, what did she do? Right. Yeah, like, what did I do? Okay, you've said it five times. I get it now.
I'm starting to feel tormented also.
So Brynn's still doing her like, everybody hates me, and they want to rip my head off, and anything I do is going to be like, she's just trying to manipulate, you know? Like, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately, it's not between a rock and a really hot, hard someone else's husband.
um yeah i mean people it sucks it sucks for brin right now of course it does suck because now like if she's trying to make like an honest you know overture to to make amends to grow to build back up trust whatever it's gonna be hard people are gonna think the worst because that's what happens when you lie and manipulate all the time that when you finally decide you're not gonna be that person anymore people are not just going to accept it on face value sorry it is well and also the fact that
You waited for this entire season to air and you didn't text anybody and be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. That was harsh. Or listen, you know, can we make up after that trip? Like, can we talk it out? Nothing. You wait for the cameras to be there so you can cry and make it look like everybody's victimizing you and not buying it, madam. No. So I agrees. She's like the water works like clockworks.
I've never seen something so performative. That bitch needs an Oscar.
So, um, Jenna's just giving advice to Brynn, like, you know, you just have to say sorry, you know, and then that's over. You just, you don't need to dig in. You're making it harder on yourself. Just say sorry. So then, uh, in Aaron's dressing room, she's still talking to Jessel and she's like, yeah. And I mean, all Brynn does is make fun of you. You're supposed to be close. Yeah.
You know who else does that? You. Yeah. With Brynn, you're constantly degrading Jessel and constantly talking down to her and constantly saying shitty things to her. And Jessel's just letting you slide.
Yeah. He was so fucking awful. Like, there's one thing projected and another that's happening behind my back. I just don't like that. So back to Brynn's room, Jenna's like... No one thinks you have bad intentions. It's just that we all think you're kind of a shitty person who lies and maybe shouldn't be around us anymore. But not bad intentions. Good intentions, for sure. Good intentions to lie.
Like you were going to use that lying for charity. We all believe that. But the thing is, it's all about intentions. It's like... No, like actually, if anything, the big catchphrase of the past four years is impact over intentions, bitch. Impact over intentions.
But even if it was intentions, your intentions are terrible. Your intentions are to make it look like Jessa was in love with some other guy other than her husband or like wanted her ex. I mean, your intentions were shitty. So you can't rely on that. So anyway, welcome back to the Real Housewives of New York City reunion. Okay, the city never sleeps. Let's welcome Rebecca Minkoff to the chat.
Rebecca, have you ever dried your hair before? It looks wet on purpose, Andy.
Okay, well.
I left my cake out in the rain. Am I right, guys?
Okay, have a seat.
So how are you feeling here being tonight? Would Ron L. Hubbard approve? And she's like, you know, I mean, everyone looks great. Hi, ladies. And everyone hates her. I don't remember everybody hating Rebecca. Yeah. I know that people have problems with the Scientology and this and that. But what the fuck did Rebecca do? You all liked her two seconds ago. How do all of you in unison hate her now?
well because i guarantee there's been like chatter that they've probably all been texting and aaron is you know aaron obviously has a beef with rebecca so she probably has been texting with all of them like rebecca kind of sucks right like she's supposed to help the show and she's not on the show she's not sharing where she's probably poisoned the well um and like i think i think what it is is uh no i'm sorry to interrupt you i just want to give my thing before we move on
I think what it is with her is that they saw the audience reaction not liking her, and now they're just all like, fuck her. Especially Aaron, because I think Aaron is very in tune with that stuff. And I think they're just like, fuck this girl now.
They also probably did not get enough free shit from her. So Andy is like, all right, so Brynn, you and Rebecca hashed things out in Puerto Rico, and you said you might even go shopping together. What has happened? And Brynn's like, not yet, but I saw.
Um, because by the way, one thing we never got into, which I was hoping we'd get into was, uh, the whole, um, Rebecca and Brynn fight about like the, when you're a parent, you'll know. Cause I would have liked that to be really relitigated just for the fun of it. So then Rebecca's like, yeah. Um, when are we going to the Rexis? And she goes like, ah, page six, taking an origin rec.
Rebecca's like, yeah, we picked out a bag for you. She's like, oh, baby. So Andy's like, all right. Well, uh, poop from skipper says, uh, George wants to know when it started to click that Bryn had an issue with you. And she's like, you know, it was really fun to hear about Bryn trying to make fun of my brand that I built over the past 20 years.
And it started to click when I found out about the Nordstrom rack comment. That was, that was when I found out. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you're supposed to drag me back. You're supposed to be like, bitch, you sold sweatshirts at BravoCon. And which is what she told her on camera, which we all heard. Yeah. And she's like, this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to fight with me over made up things. And she's like, I don't need to be produced by you. And so I was like, yeah, Brent, that feels like producing.
She's like, no, it's not producing. I mean, it's conversation in Hamptons. And all you kept saying is like, I don't know how to do this. I'm just here to promote my brand. So... Yeah, but it's better than just showing up and lying and trying to cause fights over nothing. That's not what it is. Yeah.
So I don't know who told you that that's what it was, but that's not what it's supposed to be either.
And this is what fucking sucks about Brynn is that she's she like throws the shade at Rebecca. Not because she even feels it. I don't think she even feels it. I think she does it because she knows it's going to create like a scene. It'll be funny. So it comes from an inauthentic place. So within any interaction that's built off of that, there's going to be it's going to be inauthentic.
And it just sucks. And then she's like, people, if I try to apologize to someone, they're going to say I'm being inauthentic and manipulative. It's because we see you doing it time and time again. You literally just said, if I say this to you, you're supposed to say this back.
But instead, Rebecca had a reaction that was authentic to herself, which is like, I'm not going to engage with this because I'm 30 times more successful than Brynn, who still has not been able to name whatever job she has. And I don't have to do your stupid games to promote my shit.
Well, by an advertisement, don't try and get an apple. Oh, whatever. All you do is promote your fake fucking personality and your fake job and your fake this and your fake that. You're totally making something up to promote on this show. Cy talks about her influencing. Erin talks about her homegirl business and her Bitcoin and all that other shit. Give me a break.
That's why everybody goes on Housewives.
Yeah, they're acting like this is a wholly unique phenomenon. So Rebecca talks about how her business shrank 70% after COVID. So she was like, she wanted to do this as a way to get back into the mix. This is a flashback on the helicopter. And that's when Brynn says, So Andy's like, so you thought she was being inauthentic? And Brynn's like, yeah, you're wasting everyone's time.
Are you kidding me? You're going to be the one to talk about wasting time? It's been two years that you've been wasting my time. We sit here. You know what I could be doing right now? Literally anything else in the world. I could be going to Nordstrom Rack instead of sitting here talking on a podcast about you because you're a waste of space on this show.
And you've dragged down an incredible franchise. And we have to sit here and talk about it.
talk about a waste of everyone's time geez breen brin wetfield and so then she goes off on everyone shares but you she's a friend of like listen i don't know why i'm sitting here sticking up so much for rebecca minkoff i mean she didn't do a ton of stuff on the show but she wasn't mean to everybody so i don't really understand this whole like let's bully this chick like if you feel like she didn't i know why just be nice and let her go i mean what the hell
I know why we're standing up. Well, aside from the fact that like, we've sort of oddly, I've oddly enjoyed her all season for reasons I can't explain. Cause I do think that like, I do enjoy her squint acting. It's like very effective for me. Like I love, cause all everyone on this cast has like, or the cast in general comes together and produces very boring television.
And then she just comes in and squints at them like, wow, wow, you guys really are so boring. And I know you're calling me boring, but I'm squinting at you and I can see that you're the boring ones. So, like, I like that. But the other thing is that I don't remember even what my other point was. I got squinted. My other point got squinted right the hell out of me.
You said, I know where we're standing up for her.
I know. I was like, I know where we're standing up for her. I can't remember why, but we are.
Well, it's not because she came to the crappies because she's been nice to us way before and we've been making fun of her nonstop. So it's not even that. It's just like, I think they're being mean to her for no reason. I just don't really understand it.
I think it's like, oh, here's why I get mad. Here's why I get mad. Because I feel like in this segment, they are so dismissive of her in a way where they're not dismissive of each other in a way that I would have liked. Why are they not holding Jenna to task? Okay. I'm sorry. I like Jenna, but she's been fucking boring all season. She made a, she made a Pavlova. Okay.
So like, as I like Jenna and I also like, I also like Rebecca, but they don't, they don't take Jenna to task at all about being boring. And you cannot tell me a single thing she did this season besides making Pavlova and renting Bentley.
Si cut her foot. That's all. We don't know anything more about Psy. She didn't do anything but give like little funny bon mots here and there. But she did share anything about her life this season. Erin shared a lot. Brynn shared a lot.
Uba shared kind of a bit. I just realized the answer, Ronnie. I figured out why they are so mean to her. I totally just figured it out. The pregnancy prank was so reviled by the audience. And everyone like after that pregnancy prank thing happened, people were like, that's it. Get rid of this entire cast. And now they are scapegoating Rebecca for it. And the truth is Aaron.
Yeah, Erin, I think was just as culpable. And she'd probably be like, no, I helped her out. But no, I'm sorry. No, truth be told, it's production's fault. This is neither. They just did a prank. It's fine. They did a prank. People do pranks. Production made the mistake of putting it at the center of the trailer and building it up and fucking with the audience. That was the fault of the showrunner.
Showrunner should be fired from the show. I'll just say it. But like, I think the cast is Eric Fuller, I think, isn't it?
everyone that's what they're saying is Eric that's what everyone's saying how many shows does this guy get to fuck up before you guys just fire his ass like seriously come on man I I feel like I want like before I fully like get on the uh Eric Fuller like hate train I have to double check to make sure like there's probably other people who've gone from show to show to show and so like I don't want to just put it all on Eric but he has been on all three flop shows recently Atlanta Potomac and this and like that's a problem
Yeah, that's a problem. So anyway, now we get back to... But I do think that you're right. It was about that prank. I think they're mad at her. They're just going to blame her for everything. But it was Aaron... Because you know Aaron was like, let's do something funny.
And then Brynn was the one who took it to the level of she's fucking all these random people and doing all this and made it even worse. So, I mean, girl...
And let's not forget, it could have been an okay prank, but Erin was the one who ruined it. Erin told Brynn, she's like, it's actually a prank. And then Brynn then did all of her ridiculousness. And it just became this stupid, annoying thing that like, even if it was solely Rebecca's idea, Erin literally fucked up a prank.
again again so let's watch her skate i mean get the girls on a tutu because she's skating free so then um we andy asks rebecca what her reaction was when psy called her boring on the jeff lewis show which he just says hot mike he doesn't say jeff lewis but we all know that's who it was So then we see that clip and then Brynn's like, I just saw the podcast thing because it went viral.
Which I love that Brynn is still watching Jeff Lewis clips, even though she's so triggered and hurt and deeply, deeply disturbed that a man would ever, ever say that. So anyway, Rebecca's like, well, I texted Cy after that, and she clarified that she meant that I was nice and the show was boring.
So I believed that until the confessional where she just doubled down on the boring and said, yep, she's boring.
And Cy just goes, she's so nice.
She goes, you know what? Can we talk about something? I mean, you're not actually nice. That's what I've learned. Oh, okay, Aaron. Swing for the fences, Aaron. Let's see what you got, baby.
so Rebecca's like okay like you want to talk about this now or later and Aaron's like well whatever you'd like to do so Andy's like why is Rebecca why do you think Rebecca's not nice because she called me to complain about me bringing up how are you Jewish and how are you a Scientologist which was approved language actually from you and
But she didn't like the tone in which I said it, you know, because then proceeded to text with some crazy messages while I'm at Bravo Fan Fest about to go on stage. And then we played phone tag. And then the first time she texted me about the Scientology stuff, my dad was in that episode. And she goes, wow, you know, I didn't realize your dad was in that episode.
It was probably shitty timing for me to complain about the tone of the way you said something. What a fucking bitch being considerate about the fact that my dad was in the episode.
I know. No. So Aaron makes this whole case about what a bitch she is. And then she's like and then she apologized. I'm like, so that's your ending. Like she she was completely nice to you and courteous about it. What the fuck? So then we see the text and Rebecca's like, hey, my call to you was ill-timed. I should have asked how you are doing after that episode. And I rapped.
And I was so wrapped up in myself that I didn't. I'm sorry. I hope you're OK and holding up.
What a fucking bitch. What a fucking bitch. What a monster.
So then Aaron writes back. Thanks for saying that. You notice that Aaron never apologizes back every time. And it's always Aaron's fucking fault, too. And every time she gets an apology, she never says I'm sorry to you. She always goes, well, thank you, because I was a little taken aback, especially when it was approved language. And yesterday was awful for me. So thanks for checking in.
And Andy goes, but wasn't that nice? And she's like, yeah. But then my episode with my dad actually comes on and not once did you check on me. Maybe because you never called her back, Aaron. Maybe she figured you fucking hated her. Now, you just said yourself that you decided you didn't want to speak to her after she you'd been playing phone tag for a couple of days and you just blew her off.
So she probably figured this girl hates me now. What do you want?
But actually, as it turns out. that she did because she's like, Yeah, I did reach out to you after you said your dad was sick and everything. And she's like, Look, I even sent you a poem. I checked on you. And Aaron's like, Oh, wow, she sent me a poem. And, you know, it sounds silly, like, oh, my God, she sent her a poem. But then when you see the text in the context,
She, you see that she sends a text with like some sort of poem and she goes, this is something that really helped me out in my life or whatever. It was actually like a nice, a really nice text to send. It was just so, so now Aaron's like, oh really? You didn't even reach out. I was like, it's literally right there. She reached out. She's such an asshole, this chick.
And oh, I'm sorry, she only reached out with a poem. What do people normally do when people die? They send you a card. Is that any better? It's the same thing. And you just wouldn't call her back. I mean, it's, she's just such an asshole, fucking Aaron.
So then it comes to you didn't check on me a ton. So it doesn't. Now it's not. You didn't check.
She keeps moving the flag because she keeps losing. So she keeps getting caught in her fucking lies. And so she keeps moving the goalposts. So Aaron's like, well, all you do is complain to everybody about Scientology. When your bags, when your brand, when, when did she ever do any of that? We didn't see it.
And you never worry about what we're going through except to send me probably 20 texts asking me if I'm okay.
So then Rebecca's like, you know, I was mad that you were suddenly trying to separate yourself from, well, then they start up at the prank and Rebecca's like, I was mad that you were trying to separate yourself from it as if you had nothing to do with it. And we see a text from Rebecca that says, so that's how this goes, huh?
Instead of a joint like and accepting responsibility and apologies to those upset for this, I have done for what I've done. You just bought, like you just took the opportunity to like throw me right in front of the bus. And Aaron's like, What kind of text is this? Why can't you call and have a normal conversation?
Because you won't call her back. You've already established that. You hate her at this point, Aaron. You fucking liar. She's like, yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about. The prank was your idea. Was it not? That's all I've said about it. You're such a liar, Aaron. You totally made this go. You're the cockroach in the thing. You're the steal the phone from the person.
And also like you totally delighted in being part of the prank. And now you're acting like it was something you were dragged into. We saw you, you saw how much fun you had with it. We saw how you sat there at the table and were like a willing and active participant in it. We saw the way at the ball, at the dodge ball thing, you walked off the Rebecca and Kiki with her and laughed.
So don't act like suddenly it was like, Oh, it was like this thing I'd heard about what's going to happen, you know?
And Andy's like, well, by the way, you were a part of it. I mean, maybe it was her idea, but you were in it. And she's like, well, I'm not denying that, but she was mad at me. Yeah, she's mad at you because you were throwing her under the bus and pretending you had nothing to do with it, Erin. You talk in circles just like fucking Brent. So Andy's like, okay, I want to follow up.
What do you mean by approved language? What does that mean? And she's like, well, you know, Scientology is like sensitive, you know? So I said, am I allowed to ask you the question, how are you Jewish and Scientologist? Because like, I don't get it. And she said, yes. But then she got mad about me and she got mad about that. And that's like literally so weird.
And she goes, no, I wasn't mad about that. You said in a confessional, I don't understand how you can be two things that are so opposed to each other. And then we see a flashback to that where she's like, I love Becky and I don't want to judge. But like, how can you have two religions that are so different? And she's like, to see that from you is just disappointing, Aaron.
Okay, now to just go against Rebecca, you can't come on here as a Scientologist, have all of your press being like, oh my God, this fucking Scientologist is coming on and then not have anybody ask you about it. Especially if your only answer is going to be like, oh my God, it just makes me, it helps me with my business. It helps me get my thoughts together. It helps me be a better mother.
I mean, shit, at that point, I wanted to be a Scientologist and I don't even have a business for kids.
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And Aaron's like, you know, Rebecca, we're supposed to be talking about like how we feel in the moment of filming. Like that's what a confessional is. And Andy's like, yeah, has she given you a clear explanation? pun of how she could be Jewish and a Scientologist. And Aaron's like, I don't fully understand. I mean, yeah, she explained it, but I don't understand.
Believe it or not, I felt like Rebecca gave an explanation that I understood how it worked for her when she said Judaism is her religion and then Scientology is her philosophy. I mean, it is sort of strange to have two religions in your life at the same time. But I also was kind of on this mindset of like, you know what, just... It's working for her. It's what she likes.
If she winds up having to fork over a chunk of her salary or not to the Scientology, that's on her right now. And I just can't summon the energy with everything else going on in the world to get mad about someone else's choice about what they're doing with their money and their religion.
I mean, I've seen enough documentaries to be pissed at Scientology. So I don't, you know, I don't have a problem with being pissed at Scientology. And I honestly would rather Rebecca have stuck with her original answer, which is like Judaism is my religion. Scientology is my religion. Applied philosophy. Applied whatever, my applied philosophy. But she didn't.
Instead, I think she got approved language from the church because she came back with a whole different tune this time, and they showed it. They kept cutting away and showing what she had originally said compared to now, where now she's like, well, Scientology is a recognized religion, and this is hate speech. I'm like, girl, please, no. I'm sorry. I'm not— I'm not down with that.
Scientology is some bullshit made up by some fucking crazy author who wanted your money. He even has a quote saying the way to be rich is rich, but to get even richer, you need a religion or something bullshit. Like, please, like, do what you want to do.
But I'm not going to buy this whole like hate speech crap, especially after the stuff we see the church has done in documentaries and stuff like that. So I'm not really buying that. I wish she had stuck to her original guns. But now, you know, she's doing this whole like it's hate speech, blah, blah, blah.
And then we get to the ladies in their confessionals all being like, I'm not saying shit about Scientology. They'll come for me or no one has a positive thing to say. Right. So he's like, so do you all stand by your comments? And Jessel tells him that she went to dinner with Raquel and with Rebecca, and they asked a lot of Scientology questions.
And he's like, well, why didn't you talk about it on camera? And they're like, well, she was reluctant to talk about it. And she's like, well, I wasn't reluctant to discuss it with my friend Aaron, who's decided she's not my friend anymore. But I mean, whatever.
And he's like, but you gave her talking points. It sounds like anyone can say anything and you're on a reality show. So you can see Andy's mad at that point. Whenever Andy hears that someone's like holding back, he gets upset. So Bryn was like, yeah, it's unscripted. Oh, shush, Bryn. Miss, like, you're supposed to say this when I say this. And then you're going to say it's unscripted.
So Andy is like.
But she did say it on camera. She did explain it on camera. So that's what I don't understand about this. She did explain why she's in it and if they had more questions they could have asked. They never asked her and she said, I don't want to talk about this.
That's why I was like frustrated with this because I felt like, you know what, to be honest, the Scientology aspect of Rebecca is like not what I care about. You know, it's like I care about her interactions with people on screen. And of course we didn't get a lot of that. And she did tell us at the crappies, like I was talking a lot and they edited it.
They just edited everything I was talking about. but like, I, I want to hear, I would have loved to have dug in more about her fight with Brynn. I would have let their relationship with Brandon. Cause I thought that was fascinating. The way that Brynn was trying so hard to get under Rebecca's skin and like, Rebecca wouldn't do it. Or like why Rebecca wouldn't drink.
Like, let's, can we just talk about the stuff that happens on the show? Like the Scientology stuff is like, it's, It's a fun thing to kind of discuss, but this entire segment just became about Scientology. And I was like, I didn't tune into Rebecca to find out about Scientology, honestly. If I wanted to, I would watch the documentaries that you're talking about.
Well, and it's like they cast a Scientologist so they could have this big Scientology controversy. And she's like, no. Yeah. Which I kind of like. She's like, it helped me. Because now they're going to bring it. Now they're going to like hold her feet to the fire for this now, which is like, oh, OK.
Now you guys want to hold her feet to the fire because, you know, the audience was pissed off about it. Because remember, this stuff is shown. This stuff is all filmed before we ever before they ever. Obviously, this stuff is filmed and put on TV before they know what the audience reaction is. It's not like it's in live time. So once they were fine with not doing.
holding her feet to the fire about Scientology until they saw it on the feeds and everybody having a fit about it. And now they're going to act like they're big and tough about Scientology. Like your morals don't matter now just because you're doing them because they're popular.
You know, you can't just come up with morals because they're the popular thing to do when you didn't have them back then. Like, I don't I can't with these people. You know, you should have been pissed right at the beginning and said something right at the beginning. Not hold it until the reunion to be so morally offended by the whole religion. Give me a fucking break.
Yeah, so Aaron's like, well, I'm just curious because I didn't say anything in the confessional other than the Jewish thing. So Rebecca goes, well, I just think the tone you took. And Aaron goes, oh, tone. And Rebecca's like, sorry, I said the word tone again. I'm like, when is Aaron, all of a sudden Aaron's going to be like, I didn't like the tone.
I feel like half of Aaron's fights and issues and the way she excuses herself is like all about tone. She's like, I didn't say it with that tone. I said it with this tone. I was like, hey, this will be a funny thing. Not like a, hey, this will be a funny thing.
gets off she excuses herself out of everything because of tone yeah yeah and now rebecca says to rebecca says i didn't like the tone of what you said she's like oh tone suddenly tone oh wow so i think what she's trying to say is she came in already being judged and rebecca's like yeah i mean like instead of being like i want to know more you guys are like i'm going to bring it up because it's clickbait you know and you wanted a reaction
And Raquel's like, but if you allow the opportunity to ask. And Brynn's like, well, on the helicopter, like literally I held her hand and I was like, I'm so sorry about the article that came out about you. Like, how can we help you? What can we do? Can I spread around that you're fucking around on your husband and having orgies?
By the way, Brynn, we saw that. You did not hold her hand and say, oh my God, what do we do? You were like, if people ask us, what should we say? Should we be like, we know what to say about this? There was no expression of care in what you were saying. So Rebecca's like, I know. And I said, you can say no comment because you don't know how to answer those questions and they can come to me.
Brynn's like, Yeah, but that's weird. That's like not how stuff works in life. No comment. That's like creepier. Then you're at it with the creepiness. Well, then you come up with your own fucking answer, Brynn. What do you want us to say? She said say no comment. If you don't want to say no comment, since you seem to be so media savvy, then why are you even asking her in the first place?
so rebecca's like i'm not saying no comment i'm saying for you to say no comment if you don't know the answer to come to me and raquel's like but you didn't want to discuss it and but she did discuss it so like how much do you need to discuss it like how much what do you like about this religion here's what i like about the religion why aren't you discussing it i just told you what i liked about the religion no but you need to tell me more okay well i like that it it's like a good philosophy but tell me more
What do you want her to talk about? Kirstie Alley's underwear?
I mean, Jesus Christ. And by the way, why is no one applying this energy to Jenna's personal life?
Why is nobody applying this to, and I'm not going to start making this all religions are equal, but why do we have to know about everybody's religion so deeply? When are we going to ask Erin about Zionism? And when are we going to ask Erin about all her fucking Trump votes and her donations to the fucking Ted Cruz fund and all this other shit? Like, if we're going to go there, do it with everybody.
I don't care about any of your fucking religions, okay? I choose none of them, and I don't want to hear about them from any of you.
So Jenna is like, she's like, sorry, I'm just like saying for me, like, because I saw that you felt reluctant at the picnic and whether that was reaction to brain or someone else, like we were all feeling like we just like, we didn't want to bring it up because it felt like it was a closed subject.
I'm like, Jenna, you're the one who's like, I refuse to bring my fiance on TV and I'd be like, oh no, it's a closed subject. Yeah.
So he's like, okay, so why were you attacked? And this is where I'm not on Rebecca's side. I don't think she was attacked. I feel like they were very nice to her. But she says, okay, well, I feel like when someone calls someone a used car salesman selling snake oil, that's offensive. When Brynn never even bothered to get to know me. And she goes, but I literally asked you at the picnic.
Yeah, you asked her and she told you. And then what did you do when she gave you her answer? You called her a used snake salesman. So now you're saying you want her to talk about the religion more, even though you were complaining about her talking about her religion in the first place.
Yeah, that's why she's not going to talk. Yeah, it's like, I'm not sitting here trying to stand up for Scientology. I'm not. But what I am going to stand up for is someone who has these idiots coming for them, you know? And that's where I get so mad. So I'm like, I will stand up. I will take a stand for Rebecca Minkoff.
Because I just feel like they're such hypocrites and they like, we are stuck with their boring asses for a whole season. And then someone comes in and is honestly more or less innocuous. She squints at Rebecca, squints at them, talks about shitting her pants, having mucus on her boobs or whatever. And more or less is like, whatever.
And then suddenly they treat her like she's like the garbage of the earth. It's like, no, you people are the ones who have made our lives so annoying. Yeah. Of, you know,
For me, for me, it's the moral outrage by popular demand that I just can't get behind. I'm like, oh, now you're mad. Now you're suddenly all mad because you know how the audience feels. All you shut up.
Well, then. Well, then. So they're like, well, no, they're like, well, we try to get to get to know you. We try to ask you questions. And Rebecca's like, you guys never even bothered to get to know me.
because you moved to florida a week before we started filming and you like fly in to film with us and you know i love rebecca's response because she goes you know what though i own two houses here and i pay taxes here like most successful people live in multiple places so don't tell me about where i live i was like i thought that was actually a really good burn that did not get the credit it deserved it was her way of being like yeah i am extremely successful i have a house in florida i can do that yeah i'm allowed to homes you twit and brendan
It's like, well, congratulations, but you don't live in New York. Yes, she fucking, what part about two homes did you not just hear five story walk up?
I know. And she goes, she goes, that's completely untrue. Are you like the location police? Like, who are you? And Brynn's like, I don't even know what that means.
If you want me to understand something, please quote a movie.
Thanks. Yeah. And then Brynn, you can see Brynn wants to make a comeback about like Scientologists like stalking people who've left their religion. But she's like, I'm not going to do that on TV.
Yeah, because I'm glad you're talking. I'm glad you're noting my whereabouts.
And she goes, no, that's probably what. You do.
Because she's still too scared. She starts to. She's about to. Grow some heels, man. Jesus. So Andy's like, whoa, we got a big reaction. Diamond from In Your Butthole says, no, thanks. Stop normalizing cult. What's your reaction to the use of the word cult? And she's like, wow, that is bigoted.
I mean, it's hate speech to keep calling a religion a cult. And, like, you wouldn't be asking me these questions about Christianity, Muslim, Judaism. I'm, like, tired of attacks. And it's only, like, okay for this religion. It's, like, nah.
Yeah. So then, yeah. And, again, I'm totally fine with questioning Scientology and people being pissed off about it being glorified on TV. I mean, I actually get that. So then he's like, OK, got it. So Roz from 9 to 5 says, did you really expect to come on a reality show as a Scientologist and not talk about it? And she's like, you know what? I can have an honest conversation.
And this is not something you can answer in one hour. You know, we talked about a dinner and we weren't done in an hour. So and Brent's like, this is the exact format. Really? Because she talked about it to you and you complained and called her a snake oil salesman. So shut up. So he's like, well, you had tons of hours.
I mean, you were on a trip to Puerto Rico that was five episodes and nothing happened. So until the end, obviously.
And she's like, I'm not going to just be out of the blue and be like, guys, let me clarify this. And then Brynn's like, but there's like a negative connotation around it. And there's like so many misleading things. And I told her in the helicopter, like, maybe use this as a way to set some of the records straight.
And like, tell us about like what you just said earlier when you sat down, like how many... Okay, but Brynn, you're also the one who just cried in the dressing room saying like, you didn't want to like call up Uba, right? Like you understood the value of like bringing something up in the proper context and not calling someone out of the blue.
So now like you have to, now you're saying to Rebecca, like, oh, Rebecca, just start talking about it. And Rebecca doesn't want to talk about it. She probably does not want to like make this her identity on the show.
But what kills me is she did talk about it. Brynn goes, tell us about like what you just said earlier when you sat down, like it helped me be a better mom. It got me out of depression. She literally told you that on the show. Why are you accusing her of not saying it? She said it on the show. Oh my God. I can't with this lady. I just can't.
So Andy goes, so before I let you go, I want to know, is there anything else you want to address? And she's like, okay, I'm sorry, Aaron, that I didn't call to check in on your father earlier. I can understand how incredibly insensitive that seems. And I'm really sorry. I know.
And in parentheses that I only sent you 90 texts and you never called me back any of the 10 times I tried to call you in the first place. So I'm very sorry. And she goes, yeah, well, thank you. Which is typical. No apology back. Just a thank you. Because I was really shocked that we were still talking about my tone and not the real stuff. So I appreciate it.
I think if Rebecca Minkoff had been more of a fan favorite, and I think the fans were basically indifferent. I don't think that people even hated her. I think they're just like, ah, she's whatever.
I think they hated her. And then they kind of came around towards the end when she was being funny in that finale, you know?
Yeah. And I think that like, when, um, like if they, if, if the fans had liked her, Aaron would have been kissing her ass. But then Aaron saw this was like a, like an easy person that she could dunk on. So she's just like, whatever.
So Rebecca's like, and for anyone that I offended with my infertility and terrible pranks and, you know, like as someone who went through it myself, that was insensitive. And I had no idea, but like, not just beyond you guys, anyone who's dealing with that, I really apologize. Yeah. And he's like, okay. Does anyone have anything else they want to address with Rebecca?
And they all just sit there quietly. They, like, don't even acknowledge.
Doesn't Psy take a selfie? Like, they all just pull her off and look away from her. They're mean. They're so nasty. This cast isn't fun, and they're mean. Like, I just don't like it. She's like, okay, well, quick and dirty, I guess. So then they just ignore her. And Brynn's like, can I get a Diet Coke?
I'd do anything for a Diet Coke.
Rebecca's like so do I just wait here on the sofa like is anyone gonna come get me even the crew ignores her I mean Jesus Christ so Andy's like Rebecca wants to know if she should exit yes you exit they told me you exit alright bye everyone yikes I was like that was awkward and yeah that was really awkward that was one of the more awkward segments we've had on a reunion and that's saying something yeah that was wild
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