Deep in Europe’s oldest forest once lived a witch… or at least that’s what people called her. Simona Kossak, defined by her anything-but-ordinary life, was a biologist and Professor of Forest Sciences who dedicated herself to protecting the Białowieża Forest’s fragile ecosystem. Living in a remote cabin surrounded by her wild companions, she was as fierce in her activism as in her love for nature, leaving a lasting legacy on both science and conservation. Follow us on Instagram @watchhercookpodcast Sources: The Extraordinary Life of Simona Kossak -Scroll down to see the iconic image of Simona and her boar, Zabka! The Badass Story of Simona Kossak Legendary Conservationist Simona Kossak Lived Her Life in a Forest Hut With a Lynx, a Boar and a Terrorist Crow Białowieża Forest- UNESCO World Heritage Poland faces €100,000-a-day fines over illegal logging in Białowieża forest Effectiveness of an acoustic wildlife warning device using natural calls to reduce the risk of train collisions with animals Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who was Simona Kossak and why is she important?
Yeah. And we were inspired to do Simona's story from of all things, a viral Facebook post. And hopefully as we describe her and get into her story, you'll know exactly the photo that we're speaking about. So like Cassie just alluded to, today we are exploring the incredible story of Simona Kosak, an inspiring figure in environmental activism and ecology.
She was a scientist, biologist, professor of forest sciences, ecologist, and a writer. Often called an animal psychologist, she had a rare ability to understand and form deep connections with wild animals. She spent over 30 years living in the Biało-Wiesia forest, where she dedicated much of her life to advocating for the protection of the forest, which is Europe's oldest.
Chapter 2: What was Simona's early life and family background like?
Before we dive deeper into her story, let's learn a little bit more about who Simona was. Simona was born in May of 1943 in Krakow, Poland, during World War II. Her father, Jerzy Kozak, was a famous painter and part of a family of artists known for capturing Polish landscapes and history. Her mother was his former mistress.
Despite the family's artistic background, Simona didn't feel a deep connection to her father or his world of painting and high society. Rather than picking up the easel, Simona was far more interested in observing animals, studying ecosystems, and immersing herself in nature.
It was recorded that her father longed for Simona to be a boy in order to, quote, carry on the Kozak family name and legacy, and was disappointed when she was born a girl. Therefore, her added divergence from the family's path was in some ways a source of tension.
This was also due to the fact that her childhood was during a time of immense political and social upheaval. Poland was devastated by the war. After it ended, the country went under Soviet influence, forcing Poland to adopt a communist government. The communist regime aimed to eliminate any form of dissent or opposition.
This meant that political opponents, like intellectuals, activists, and even artists, were often silenced or oppressed, and environmental activism and scientific pursuits didn't always align with the priorities of the state.
Throughout her life, Simona struggled with school and forming relationships due to her unconventional interests, but she eventually earned a spot at Jockey Ohlone University in Krakow, where she completed her degree in zoology and animal behavior in 1970.
Her time at Jockey Ohlone University marked a turning point in Simona's life, as it was one of the first times she found herself surrounded by like-minded individuals. Studying during the 1960s, a decade of social change, Simona thrived in an environment fueled by student activism and environmental protests.
The university became a hub for new ideas, and it was there that Simona began to focus on conservation and environmental activism, setting the stage for her lifelong commitment to protecting wildlife.
After completing her studies, Simona secured a position at the Mammal Research Institute in Biało-Vieja Forest. This ancient forest is one of the last primeval woodlands in all of Europe, meaning it has been largely untouched by human exploitation or deforestation. Say that word three times fast.
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Chapter 3: How did Simona begin her career and connection with Białowieża Forest?
And this greeting right at the entry into the forest, this monumental wisent, the whiteness, the snow, the full moon, whitest of white everywhere, and the little hut hidden in the little clearing all covered with snow. an abandoned house that no one had lived in for two years. In the middle of the room, there were no floors. It was generally in ruins.
And I looked at this house, all silvered by the moon as it was, and I said, it's finished. It's here or nowhere else.
After some renovations, Simona plastered the walls with wallpaper and furnished her room with both practical and sentimental items from home. This included books, oil lamps, and an iron, but also things like ebony jewelry chests, glassware, and an oak bed she inherited from her family. She also hung a shotgun from the Kosak family collection right by her door for safety.
Simona became known for traveling around on a motorcycle throughout the forest to get to and from Didinsta. Those who frequented the woods, park staff, ecologists, photographers, hunters, watched in awe as Simona zipped through muddy, cold trails on her bike, which was nicknamed the Komar bike, which translates to the mosquito.
All right, we have some things to talk about before we go on, because there's some points I want to hit here. First, What came out of your mouth is like, I see you and Simona here. Or Simona and you, I guess I should say.
That part reminded me so much of me also, actually, because I have a motorcycle who I have nicknamed Betty. And it's a dual sport motorcycle, so I don't like riding on the road. Riding on the road kind of scares me a little bit just because of other cars and stuff. So I do have my motorcycle license now. My bike is street legal.
However, I mostly just ride my bike to get to the woods and then I ride around in the woods.
Yeah, zipping around here, there, and everywhere.
Zipping around.
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Chapter 4: What unique lifestyle did Simona lead in the forest?
Please let this be a phase. Right.
Yes. And then when she realized that it wasn't, she was still supportive. But I think everyone's kind of holding their breath of kind of like what you just said. Is this a phase? What's going on? Whatever. So I go out to Colorado. A three month internship turns into a permanent position. And I decided to plant roots in Colorado and really pursue this long term, which was great for me.
I thought I was like, wow. I'm thriving.
I found it. This is what I love.
When you were talking about how Simona said, wow, I'm seeing this place for the first time and I just have this feeling like I've made it. This is it. I had a similar feeling to getting into the groove of Colorado. That's where I felt at home. And I get this, you know, so I'm like, make this announcement to my family. Great. I'm staying here.
And they were super supportive, my kind of like close-knit nuclear family, which is just my mom, my stepdad, and my sister. And then I get this letter in the mail from my grandmother, my mom's mom. Wow. And we never had like a turbulent relationship. Everything was good.
We weren't super close, but there was never anything that was like a point of contention to my knowledge until I get this letter. And in it, you know, I thought maybe it was just more of like a not like a housewarming thing, but a congratulations on this new chapter type of thing.
So I opened this letter and my grandmother had basically in not so many words said, you know, if this is the path you're choosing yourself, leaving your family behind. thousands and miles away, choosing a career that has a lot of uncertainty and not a lot of financial promise, then so be it.
Oof. That's rough. I mean, that's hard, especially when you have found what you feel like is your calling and then you have someone being like, not, very obviously not approving. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: How did Simona relate to and care for wild animals?
This was permanent. Right. Mailed it out, knew it was going to take days to get to me.
Yeah. And we had never really, she knew that this letter would be kind of like out of left field. Like I would take notice. It's not like we had exchanged letters frequently and this was just something that was our normal thing.
type of communication style i don't know it was just and since then things have been fine i love my grandmother she's supportive of me it's just for her it was just such a diversion from what she thought her grandchildren especially a a female grandchild would do it was just like it was hard for her to comprehend.
And it made me feel a little bit of like the black sheep of the family, which is something that I have 100% embraced in years following.
I would love to be. And I think if there is something to be said that's really brave about following your passions, even though your family maybe doesn't understand or approve. And I do think that there's a part of that. And probably in Simona's case too, where Her family wanted her to become painters or an artist. They were successful in that, right?
So I feel like there's a part of your family that is – it's not so much of what you're doing. It's the fear that it's not going to go anywhere and they want what's best for you in life and they want you to thrive and be happy and financially be okay. So I think that – even though it comes out really wrong. And maybe that's all it was for Simona.
Maybe her father really, really just hated her idea of being in conservation. But I think there's also this like, With any family, just we want our loved ones to thrive and be financially well off and know that they're taken care of after I'm gone kind of thing. So I think that that stems behind it. But I think that when you find your passion and your calling, you can't listen to those things.
You just have to... You have to go for it. And that's what Simona did too. And that's what you did too. You stayed in your permanent position. And if you listen to National Park After Dark, you'll hear a lot more about that too. Because Daniel loves to dive into wolf conservation topics and a lot of stories. Maybe it'll make its way on here at some point too. I'll work it in.
We'll find a way to talk about wolves on this podcast.
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Chapter 6: What challenges did Simona face from locals and her family?
However, despite their rocky start, Lex's background rooted in nature gave them common ground, and Simona grew fond of him when he welcomed a baby boar, who they called Zabka, which translates to froggy, into their home. The two of them took turns sleeping with Zabka, who could have grown to be up to 400 pounds over the next 17 years that they ended up spending with him.
They both shared a deep love for the forest and its creatures, and that mutual respect grew into a romantic relationship. Which I don't know, if someone brought me home a baby boar, I don't know if I could resist being in a romantic relationship.
It's like, if you're asking to date, the answer is yes. This is the photo that I was referring to in the beginning of the episode. And there's a ton of photos of Simona, but the one that has been making its rounds online is... of this full-grown adult boar in a bed with Simona on the floor next to it.
And it was so cool during the research to learn about Lek because through every photo of her I've ever seen, I've never once seen him. So I was like, oh, there was a guy involved?
It's like you know that that baby boar chose a favorite.
Yeah, for sure. And it wasn't just their bond with each other that grew, but also their collection of animals. They went on to include everything we've described, plus owls, deer, and even a donkey. Leck admired Simona's dedication to preserving the natural world, and Simona respected his ability to capture nature's beauty through his photography.
But their relationship over the years was tumultuous. It was alleged that Leck was unfaithful, and that they faced a hurdle after Leck accidentally dropped a bundle of firewood on top of Simona's lynx, Agatha, killing her. Simona, who often referred to Agatha as her daughter, was absolutely devastated and grieved for months.
They may not have had the most traditional relationship, but their dynamic benefited them both and the love that they shared remained constant. Fleck's presence, his love, and even his stubbornness had a big influence on her.
So they stayed together after that incident, which I mean, that's awful. That's really traumatic to have happen in the middle of your relationship. Yeah, especially in general.
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Chapter 7: What was Simona's impact on conservation and animal psychology?
Chapter 8: How do the hosts relate their own experiences to Simona's story?
I thought I was like, wow. I'm thriving.
I found it. This is what I love.
When you were talking about how Simona said, wow, I'm seeing this place for the first time and I just have this feeling like I've made it. This is it. I had a similar feeling to getting into the groove of Colorado. That's where I felt at home. And I get this, you know, so I'm like, make this announcement to my family. Great. I'm staying here.
And they were super supportive, my kind of like close-knit nuclear family, which is just my mom, my stepdad, and my sister. And then I get this letter in the mail from my grandmother, my mom's mom. Wow. And we never had like a turbulent relationship. Everything was good.
We weren't super close, but there was never anything that was like a point of contention to my knowledge until I get this letter. And in it, you know, I thought maybe it was just more of like a not like a housewarming thing, but a congratulations on this new chapter type of thing.
So I opened this letter and my grandmother had basically in not so many words said, you know, if this is the path you're choosing yourself, leaving your family behind. thousands and miles away, choosing a career that has a lot of uncertainty and not a lot of financial promise, then so be it.
Oof. That's rough. I mean, that's hard, especially when you have found what you feel like is your calling and then you have someone being like, not, very obviously not approving. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like you could have kept that opinion to yourself. You didn't have to pen me a letter and send it across the country.
Right. I mean, that's a lot of effort. It's not a text. Like, that's a full letter.
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