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Chapter 1: What is the focus of Dr. Sebastian Gorka's role in the White House?
We have a lot of work to keep Americans and our allies and our friends safe from the scourge of global jihadism. His demand, even more than eight years ago, is that if you share the threat assessment that jihadism is bad, then you need to step up.
You need to be more active partners, whether you're Arab nations in the Middle East or whether you're Western nations that have terrorism occurring on your streets.
So can you reassure sensible people around the world that in attempting to do a deal quickly, Ukraine isn't going to end up in a position that's bad for the world and bad for America?
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Yes. Our good friend, Dr. Sebastian Gorka, deputy assistant to the president, and you deal with counterterrorism above all. We're sitting here with the coffee cups with the president of the United States on them in the room where the American government found out Pearl Harbor had happened. So that was a historic moment. This is a historic moment. How do you feel it's going so far?
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Chapter 2: How is the Trump administration addressing the threat of jihadism?
Absolutely incredible.
I pinch myself every single day, not simply because of my personal reasons that I've been waiting about 25 years for this job, but it feels like we've been here for seven months, not seven weeks, because of the pace, the alacrity of what the president has achieved from sealing the border to new deals to, as we are recording this, he just announced from the Oval Office with Secretary of Defense Hegseth next to him, the new F-47 fighter jet, big secret for the
So keeping up with him is one of the toughest things in life, but it's just an amazing time to be alive, and it's an amazing time to be an American. And what do you do day to day? So I'm the Senior Director for Counterterrorism in the National Security Council, working for the National Security Advisor, Mike Waltz.
And so my job is to coordinate all counterterrorism policies and activities for the President, for Mike Waltz, to make sure that we are... Well, as my colleagues tell me, they ask me as I bump into them in the West Wing, have you killed more jihadis today? So we have a lot of work to keep Americans and our allies and our friends safe from the scourge of global jihadism.
Well, you say that in a way that will sound kind of like political to a lot of people, but the president has come out and been very, very clear, and Tulsi Gabbard also, that you guys see jihadism as one of the big threats to America, which seems a bit of a pivot.
Well, look, it's not a univalent situation. There's not one threat. So I'll be completely open here. When I came into this building eight years ago for the first Trump administration, my background was counterterrorism, was teaching the military, the intelligence community how to deal with al-Qaeda and ISIS. And I thought I'd be doing that.
And once you get the clearances and once you read the president's daily intelligence briefing, You realize there's only one real strategic level threat to America, and that's China. And the president understands that. And with people like Peter Nabarro back on board, people like Scott Besson to the Treasury, we are dealing with that strategic level nation state threat.
But when it comes to counterterrorism, look, the last four years have been absolutely catastrophic. Let's start with Biden's surrender of Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the nation that gave aid and succor to al-Qaeda, to bin Laden, prior to 9-11.
The last administration, in ways that made the Saigon withdrawal look like a walk in the park, deserted Afghanistan, deserted the people who had fought with us against the Taliban, against Al Qaeda. Now the organization that helped the Al Qaeda terrorists is back in control of that nation. We've withdrawn all of our capabilities from that region to do counterterrorism as we did previously.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the current Ukraine situation?
I mean, and I'm not making excuses. Yeah. If you come from where you come from, if you come from the former Soviet Union, if your family comes from Venezuela, if like my father, you literally escaped a political prison, We understand that there are things in life more important than the wifi signal strength at Starbucks. This is what I always say.
What's the biggest problem somebody who grew up in the West has? Well, I've only got two bars on my wifi when I'm at Starbucks and I'm not being facetious. Really, what is the biggest problem? Is it the fact that you may be slaughtered this weekend like the Alawites were just a few days ago in Syria?
Literally a thousand unarmed civilians, families, you can watch the videos, mowed down because they belong to the wrong ethnic religious group. The West has had it very, very good for about 70 years. And as such, can you relate to a man who you just heard me have a conversation with who's been in a Taliban prison for more than two years?
How do you even compute that when your biggest problem is, I've run out of things to binge watch on Netflix tonight, right? It's hard to, what do they say? Easy times breed soft men. That's where we are today.
It is where we are. And one of the things, you know, the three of us have been friends for a long time. One of the things I've always liked about you is you're very, very pro-President Trump. Of course, you would be. But you're not an ideologue. You're a pragmatist. And one of the things that I think you would concede is you can't focus on everything at once.
So one of the challenges is, as you guys focus more on China and on the threat of Islamism, which are both big, serious threats, Obviously, the Russia-Ukraine thing, you know, the president, I think, is quite keen to wrap that up.
Yeah.
But I don't have to be a critic of the president to observe that he promised they would be done on day one. And right now, a lot of people, Seb, are saying, you know... It looks like Donald Trump may have met his match in terms of negotiations. You know, how do you feel about that?
So first, and this isn't because my first degree was philosophy and theology. I really do believe this. Words matter. You called me a pragmatist and not an ideologue. I could take umbrage at that and consider that an insult because pragmatism has been used as a slur, as a pejorative.
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Chapter 4: How does President Trump view international relations and threats?
So what would you say to those people who are saying that the reason Trump is being quite friendly to Putin and speaks about him in quite glowing terms in some instances is because he is worried that if he alienates Russia to such an extent and they side with China, that is going to cause major problems for the globe.
No, look, I'm not going to speak for the president, but I know that any rapprochement between Beijing and Moscow is a tactical one. These are nations that are in dire competition with each other. And we can discuss the demographics and the economics of all that. But no, let's be very honest. When you want somebody to come to the negotiating table, do you call them a murderer?
Do you call them evil? Or do you want to actually get them to the negotiating table? This is the asinine request of the mainstream media during the first Trump administration. Why are you talking to Putin? Why are you talking to Xi? I mean, it's far more important to look at what the president does when he's talking to them.
One of the most important things the president did in the first administration is when we briefed him, and this is now declassified, that there are chemical weapons about to be put on aircraft in Syria to target civilians in Syria. When the president was briefed this, this is under Assad, he said, turn that aircraft base into a sheet of glass. We launched 52 cruise missiles.
literally just obliterated this facility as what was happening at the same time. Xi Jinping was in Mar-a-Lago having a state banquet, and the president, you can see the footage right now, leans over Xi, and through the interpreter, Xi's eating the best chocolate cake in the world, says, I just thought you should know I just dropped 52 cruise missiles on Syria.
He didn't invade Syria, he didn't do a regime change, but he sent a message to who? not just Assad, who's going to use chemical weapons again against his own citizens because they're from the wrong ethnicity. He sent a message to Xi. He sent a message to Kim in Pyongyang. And he sent a message to Putin. This is not a man to be trifled with. The prior administration talked about red lines.
And then what happened? The red lines were crossed again and again and again. And they said, well, right? We don't talk about red lines. You do bad stuff. And we act, and we act decisively in ways that change the complete geopolitical reality. I mean, look at what happened with the Houthis last weekend.
The president was told that a US ship has not been allowed to traverse that waterway for the last year without being fired upon, and that 147 times US vessels have been shot at by the Houthis. And he said, well, that ends now. Sorted out Secretary Hegseth, CENTCOM turned the Houthis into dust. That's not red lines. That's not empty promises.
That's not, well, it depends what kind of military invasion Putin's going to affect. No, it's taking action to make sure maritime freedom of the sea lanes is affected. That's Donald Trump. And I think most bad men who run countries understand that language.
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Chapter 5: Will there be increased sanctions on Iran and what does that mean?
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So before we ask our last question, because we're running out of time, you're a busy guy and we appreciate it. Before we ask the last one, what do you think is the biggest challenge for the Trump administration over the next four years? Lawfare.
Lawfare. We're witnessing it right now with judges who think they control the executive, who say the president cannot use enacted powers as the commander-in-chief, as the chief executive, to ship literal terrorists out of America, rapists and murderers, judges who say you have to order the plane to turn around and not go to Venezuela. Lawfare, in my opinion.
And what's the one thing we're still not talking about that we should be?
And I say this as a great sinner myself when it comes to this sin. put your stinking phone down and switch it off and read a bloody book. And preferably by a white guy who died over 400 years ago.
Shakespeare and beyond, right? So from the ancients... Shakespeare's cancelled, man. I don't know if you've heard.
Not in my library. You know, just knowledge... Knowledge, knowledge, and AI again. It's like I was talking to a friend of mine earlier today, Alex Marlow, the editor of Breitbart, and he says, you know, you can write books without researchers now. You put it in the grok and you'll get something that would have taken you a week to do. Who's going to learn?
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