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Today, Explained

The two dolls economy

Tue, 06 May 2025

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Shortages are on the way. President Trump says children must live with fewer dolls and the rest of us have to adapt, too. This episode was produced by Miles Bryan, edited by Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King. Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast. Realistic silicone dolls on display during the World Doll Day show in CA. Photo by Tayfun Coskun/Anadolu via Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

2.096 - 10.883 Noel King

President Trump was put on the spot last week when a reporter asked whether Americans should expect shortages as a result of his trade war. He gave a classic off-the-cuff answer.

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10.963 - 16.987 Narrator/Reporter

You know, somebody said, oh, the shelves are going to be open. Well, maybe the children will have $2 instead of $30, you know?

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17.608 - 21.05 Noel King

Then he had some time to think about it further and decided he's right.

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21.371 - 28.416 Donald Trump

I don't think a beautiful baby girl that's 11 years old needs to have... 30 dolls.

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28.636 - 31.178 Noel King

Here he is on NBC's Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.

31.258 - 37.904 Kristen Welker

You say they could have three dolls instead of 30 dolls. Are you saying Americans could see empty store shelves?

38.144 - 45.571 Donald Trump

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying they don't need to have 30 dolls. They can have three. They don't need to have 250 pencils. They can have five.

45.811 - 58.596 Noel King

wild. Economists say if you look at what's coming into the U.S. on ships from China, shortages are nearly guaranteed. Shortages of what, though, other than dolls and pencils? Answers to come on Today Explained.

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Chapter 2: What did President Trump say about the shortages?

90.539 - 107.011 Lorianne LaRocco

This is Today Explained. My name is Lorianne LaRocco, and I am the global supply chain reporter for CNBC, and I'm also the author of Trade War, Containers Don't Lie. All right, so what are the containers telling us right now?

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107.291 - 122.481 Lorianne LaRocco

The containers are telling us right now that in the coming weeks, we are going to see shelves starting to get a lot thinner, maybe not bare, but we will definitely see less items on the shelf. When you're looking at the U.S.

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122.501 - 145.38 Lorianne LaRocco

supply chain and you're looking at what we bring in, it doesn't matter if it's made in America or even assembled in America, which you're going to hear a lot of that in the coming months. Assembled in America doesn't mean that all the components are made in America. And you will have assembled in America products no longer being able to be made because the components come from China.

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148.669 - 181.227 Lorianne LaRocco

If you look around your apartment or your house or condo, 90% of everything that is in your home comes on a vessel. And a lot of those products come from China. So furniture. Your laptops, your cell phones, because remember, it's that supply chain standpoint. It may not be 100% from China, but the components that make it critical to get them done, they're from China.

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181.787 - 195.675 Economist

We see across the industry about a 60% decline in ocean freight bookings from China to the U.S. Yeah, there's been a collapse of outbound freight out of China into the United States. It is really dark times for ocean shipping, especially.

195.895 - 217.92 Lorianne LaRocco

The next time you want to go buy a flat screen television, I would say probably in the middle of June and then after, they will be more expensive. And the reason why I'm being targeted, if you will, from like the June standpoint, is the fact that the 145% plus tariff from China has not been deployed until May 27th.

225.387 - 251.261 Lorianne LaRocco

May 27th is the day that all items that are coming from China will have that new level of tariff applied to them. The tariffs that have been deployed can easily be digested by the retailer or brand because it's 20%. Yes, it's a lot more, but it's not the 145 that is going to be, you cannot absorb that. And that's when you're going to see the high price.

251.912 - 266.003 Noel King

I remember in the days before Liberation Day, friends and family members told me they were panic buying stuff. We're going to go and get new tires. We're going to go and get a car. Somebody was buying wine. I can't even remember who. Does it make sense to panic buy anything right now?

266.183 - 272.368 Lorianne LaRocco

You know, I would say panic buying is like the worst thing that we can do because that's what happened with the toilet paper.

Chapter 3: What are the expected impacts of the trade war on U.S. supply chains?

1405.293 - 1423.341 Liz Young

you know, from my perspective, covering the supply chain and logistics industry, particularly in the US, companies have built up their supply chains specifically to enable this flow of goods. So I don't know where they think things will land. And that's kind of what they're all grappling with right now.

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1423.381 - 1441.134 Liz Young

A lot of the companies I cover are grappling with the uncertainty and trying to figure out, well, what changes should we make? But also what changes should we wait to make until we know where... The buck ultimately falls. You know, where will tariffs be before we make these massive changes that take years often to make?

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1450.552 - 1466.003 Noel King

Liz Young covers supply chain and logistics for The Wall Street Journal. Truly, the supply chain girl is time to shine. Miles Bryan produced today's show. Jolie Myers edited. Patrick Boyd and Andrea Christen's daughter engineered. Laura Bullard is our senior researcher. And I'm Noelle King. It's Today Explained.

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