North Korea has been sending young, tech-savvy operatives to pose as ordinary American job seekers. Tech reporter Bobbie Johnson investigates the scam. This episode was produced by Gabrielle Berbey, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King. Further reading: North Korea stole your job by Bobbie Johnson. Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast. Photo of North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un by Contributor/Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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One of the big challenges of hiring remote workers is you don't really know who you're hiring. Recently, the FBI warned that many companies really don't know who they're hiring. Big American companies like Google and SentinelOne have been tricked by compelling resumes and LinkedIn profiles into hiring North Koreans.
Now to the story of spies in the break room. The US, the UK and South Korea have jointly accused North Korea of using a cyber espionage group to steal sensitive and classified data.
Ahead on Today Explained, we talked to a reporter about what it's like to sit in on a job interview with a North Korean operative.
We tried to keep it as sort of simple as possible. So I was just introduced as someone who was sitting on the call. We didn't want to alert them to obviously the fact that I was a journalist, because we didn't want to scare them away. We wanted to see what they had to say.
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It's Today Explained. I'm Noelle King. The life of a freelance investigative reporter is not an easy one. A lot of time is spent figuring out what story is going to justify your time and talents. Such was the problem for reporter Bobby Johnson, who's based in the Bay Area. Late last year, Bobby had been hearing about people using AI to run scams, and he decided to see if there was anything there.
And so one evening, I bumped into this young entrepreneur called Simon Weikmans at an event in San Francisco. And I shared with him what I'd heard about and asked if he'd heard about anything. And he said, well, you'll never guess what happened to me recently.
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