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Things Bakers Know: The King Arthur Baking Podcast

History in the Baking: Talking Biscuits with Deb Freeman

Mon, 19 May 2025

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We’re closing out our first season with a complex, fascinating, and all-around delicious baked good: biscuits!  Historian and food anthropologist Deb Freeman is here to teach us about biscuits’ riveting history, discussing their early role in American baking and the way Black bakers’ skill and knowledge have contributed to where biscuits are today. Then, Jessica and David answer your biscuit baking questions in Ask the Bakers, covering everything from the best flour to use for biscuits (with a cameo from our Reasearch & Development kitchen!) and how to pick the right butter. Our producer Rossi Anastopoulo joins the show to share the surprising link between biscuits and basketball in North Carolina, and David and Jessica close out the episode with a Jess-opinion all about biscuits at breakfast and the best recipes they’re baking this week.  Follow Deb on Instagram and watch her PBS series, Finding Edna Lewis Read Deb’s piece The rise: a history of American biscuits Read Vonnie Williams’ piece Erika Council’s tips for better biscuits  Find our new Buttermilk Biscuit Flour Blend  Buttermilk Biscuits recipe What David’s baking this week: Braided Challah recipe What Jessica’s baking the week: Old-Fashioned Cake Doughnuts recipe Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

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What are biscuits and their significance in American baking?

214.907 - 229.231 David Tamarkin

And another one is by Chef Kelly Fields. And they put a biscuit, a buttermilk biscuit on a pedestal, literally on a pedestal on the cover of their book, just to show like how important this baked good is to the South, but also to America as a whole.

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229.771 - 236.432 Jessica Badalana

There are lots of styles of biscuits. And I'm just sort of curious, like what your biscuit style of choice is.

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236.452 - 238.773 David Tamarkin

You want to know what my biscuit vibe is?

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239.73 - 245.692 Jessica Badalana

Yeah, I do. And then I feel like we can do some sort of personality test, like what your biscuit style says about you.

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245.952 - 269.098 David Tamarkin

Okay, great. I don't know. Yeah. I have a vibe. And I'll tell you something. I'm like a biscuit butterfly. I came out of my cocoon. And here we go. This is my biscuit truth. I am a fluffy biscuit. I'm a soft biscuit. I don't want to hear it. I know people want the flaky biscuit. They want the crispy edges on their biscuit. Give me A fluffy biscuit. Give me tall. Give me soft edges.

269.719 - 286.706 David Tamarkin

Make my biscuits bake together in a pan. Let me pull them apart. Let my biscuit kind of be like a roll almost, but better. Like just a heartier roll. I just think a fluffy biscuit is where I am. And I'll tell you something else, Jessica. I am not right now at this very moment.

288.087 - 307.661 David Tamarkin

i'm not a savory biscuit i'm a sweet biscuit so i want to be spread like spread me with clotted cream and jam i guess that's more scone spread me with butter and jam slather me in honey i don't know i was gonna say put chocolate don't put chocolate on me i'm a biscuit

309.275 - 333.095 Jessica Badalana

I think you're not alone in this. I feel like the world... Okay. I mean, this is to put it in a sort of binary, but I do think there's a big split between people that prefer the sort of fluffy style biscuit. I mean, I feel like I just am making a sport out of disagreeing with you all the time on this podcast, but I... I mean, I have, yeah, you know, you can't dress up your drive, I guess.

333.155 - 357.571 Jessica Badalana

But I do like those soft biscuits. But if I'm making biscuits at home, and even if I am going to buy them at a bakery, I do like the sort of flaky, buttery, crispy edged biscuit. It's like, that's a little higher in stature. And it has that sort of cragginess. Maybe some salt on it or some salted butter or like...

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