The White Lotus Official Podcast
Ep. 4: “Hide or Seek” with Jason Isaacs and Sarah Catherine Hook
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
Hosts Jia Tolentino and Josh Bearman break down Episode 4 and talk through the process of getting into Timothy Ratliff’s mindset with Jason Isaacs. Then, they speak with Sarah Catherine Hook, who plays Piper Ratliff, who reflects on how she relates to her character. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of Episode 4?
Hello and welcome to the White Lotus official podcast companion to season three. I'm Gia Tolentino. And I'm Josh Behrman. And we saw Dick. We saw Dick in episode four.
We did. We did finally at last.
Yeah.
We got a real close up of Daddy's and Gorge Balls.
And then in season two... We see Theo James's, if I'm recalling correctly, prosthetic dick in here.
His Dirk Diggler prosthesis.
Yeah.
And then everybody screamed in the room. Yeah, yeah.
Including both rooms, like the fictional room. Yeah, right, right. The children also screamed. That's right.
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Chapter 2: How do the hosts view the themed events in Episode 4?
Chapter 3: What insights do Jason Isaacs and Sarah Catherine Hook provide about their characters?
He comes in as the person with the most, seeming like he has the most to hide, and he is the only one currently being honest.
It's actually not that he's hiding. It's too painful for him to reveal, basically, right? Because he knows that... Once that happens, then the dam is going to break, right? And then he has to reveal all of himself to her. And then maybe that's dangerous. Maybe she won't want to be with him anymore, right? Who knows what that entails.
Right.
Also on the boat, you get more of the, like, lovely sibling dynamics between the Ratliffs and Saxons trying to get Lachlan laid with the lovely ladies. Yeah.
And Lachlan is like, you know what? I'm going to do that because my sister is about to leave me. I found that so... Yeah, that was very sweet. Yeah, he's like, what about me? Yeah.
If you go, what about me?
And she's like, sweetie, you'll be at college. And he's a little bit trying not to cry. It was so sweet. And then he's like, well, fuck it. I'm just going to get laid. He starts doing magic.
Yeah.
It's what he's got.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the setting in Episode 4?
is of use because that's what acting is just imagining you or someone else in another situation but 99.9 of it is mike's ability to dream up full and human worlds i think well let me ask a different way then is it was it then fun different answer josh
Is that what's going on? No, no, no. I'm going to get the answer. No, no. Ask a different version of an adjacent question, which is, so then was it fun to luxuriate in this fully formed, spiraling great man that Mike has created for you?
That's a very perceptive question because he's really unhappy. I mean, I experienced as much as I could. I know it's pretend acting, but when you're very, very angry, you come away with your cells, you know, carry the anger. If you're crying all day, which I've done films with, kids get killed and stuff. I did a film called Mass, which was all about losing a son and hanging onto the anger.
You know, we cried for weeks. It was incredibly stressful being him. And yes, you're right. I love that. All actors love that. We like vicarious, extreme experiences. So I get to, you know, I've been in war numbers of times, but they're not real bullets. So as close as I ever want to get, I do. And this is as close as I ever want to get to my world falling apart and being broken. Yes, it is fun.
The more extreme, the more fun. Although I shat myself, to be honest, when I read the script to start with, I thought, oh, wait, I've got to raise my game, and I've got to, can I pull that scene off? Mike's written something really extreme, and I've got to make it truthful and emotional, and those things are demanding. I mean, you can't always get there, but it did feel like it was scary biscuits.
Two things, one, having some big acting, and two, having to hide a secret for many episodes without words and in ways that aren't boring. That was also a challenge.
In your mind, as Tim is unraveling, you know, there's so much in the story about the Ratliff family values and what they stand for and how important that is.
And at least- Everyone being a dagger to the soul for me, every single, every time someone thinks or says that, I know, I mean, there is a cliff coming at me at a million miles an hour and there's no way to avoid it. And so I had that always in mind. And as an actor, what you want is secrets. You're desperate to have secrets. To say one thing and mean it is really nothing and feels like nothing.
But all the time that the dialogue's going on around me and all the stuff that he's created and structured on purpose is the stuff to make my world worse. All he does is tighten the vice on my heart. And I don't know how much the audience get of it. I was trying to feel it and think it, and I hope that they sense it in me, because I'm not talking very much.
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