The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
129. Paul Saladino, MD: Why 'Heart-Healthy' Seed Oils Are Actually Poison
Tue, 07 Jan 2025
What if everything you’ve been told about “heart-healthy” oils is a dangerous lie? In this episode, Gary Brecka sits down with Paul Saladino, MD who exposes the shocking truth about seed oils, industrial food processing, and how the food industry has deceived us about our health. They also have unveiled how 95% of USDA Dietary Guidelines Committee members have ties to Big Food and processed food companies, explaining why this information has been kept secret from the public. Don't miss Paul Saladino, MD’s breakdown of his new documentary "Fed a Lie" and practical strategies for optimizing your cellular biology through diet. Get Paul Saladino, MD’s book, “The Carnivore Code”: https://bit.ly/3BMWghd Listen to "Paul Saladino MD podcast" on all your favorite platforms! YouTube: https://bit.ly/3LtIilx Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4f2XCDv Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/4fH2Ljr Watch Paul Saladino, MD’s, in collaboration with Heart & Soil, documentary, “Fed a Lie,” here: https://bit.ly/3Dz006A Connect with Paul Saladino, MD: Website: https://bit.ly/3W6NPUh Instagram: https://bit.ly/4cM8OCG Facebook: https://bit.ly/4gtxrpV TikTok: https://bit.ly/4cM2RG6 X.com: https://bit.ly/3zLo9Fh LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3BUo0Aw 00:00 Intro of Show 05:42 Fed a Lie: Paul Saladino MD’s Documentary on Seed Oils 09:54 Having Elevated Levels of LDL Cholesterol 10:25 Dangers of Consuming Seed Oils 21:03 Make America Healthy Movement and Public Policies 22:05 Third-World Countries Having Longer Life Expectancies 23:11 Oxidized Oil and Inflammation 26:14 Immune System of Diabetic People 28:21 Bathing Cellular Biology in Toxic Soup 31:28 4+ Years to Recycle and Change Composition of All Cell and Mitochondrial Membranes 36:11 Human Bodies as an Ecosystem 42:20 How to Detox? 45:52 Polyunsaturated Fats, Lipid Peroxidation, and Cellular Damage 50:51 Omega Three vs. Omega Six Fatty Acids 56:50 Carnivore Diet Benefits 1:08:29 What’s Exciting for Paul Saladino? 1:10:26 Corruption behind USDA, Big Pharma, and Processed Food Industries 1:22:20 Final Question: What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” BODY HEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF YOUR ORDER: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - 91 ESSENTIAL MINERALS PER PINCH! 10% OFF USE CODE "ULTIMATE10": https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E ELEVATE YOUR WORKOUTS WITH THE ULTIMATE HUMAN STRENGTH TRAINING EQUIPMENT: https://bit.ly/3zYwtSl COLD LIFE - BOOST RECOVERY & WELL-BEING WITH THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y PARKER PASTURES - GET PREMIUM GRASS-FED MEATS TODAY: https://bit.ly/4hHcbhc HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo SHOP GARY’S TOP-RATED PRODUCTS & EXCLUSIVE DEALS: https://theultimatehuman.com/amazon-recs Connect with Gary Brecka: Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the danger of seed oils?
you can't go wrong eating simple whole foods it's just unprocessed animal foods unprocessed plant foods you'll be great we take the narrative that these seed oils are bad for you so i think we just need to put it into context why are we attacking this plant why are we attacking the oil extraction method the only thing that seed oils might have going for them
Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. You know the drill. I'm your host, Gary Brekka, human biologist, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. One of my favorite house guests has paid me a visit again before Thanksgiving. And even though he didn't know it, I was like- Let's go.
I'm like, every time we meet in the kitchen, we start running a podcast together. And I was like, dude, let's just go in the studio and rip this because this is really, really good content. Welcome back to the show, Paul Saladino. It's always good to see you, man. Happy to do it.
Yeah, so Dr. Paul Saladino and I have formed an unbelievable friendship, you know, over the last few years, not just being in the same industry, but spending a lot of time in close proximity and really seeing that he practices what he preaches, that I practice what I preach.
And, you know, every time we meet in the morning, you know, I caught him this morning getting his sunlight and doing his stretches outside on the balcony. the sun. I was like, hey, I'm getting ready to go out there and do my breath work myself. He comes back in. He goes, let me show you my morning elixir. He starts breaking open these capsules of testicle and B vitamins and honey.
We've had raw colostrum over the last few days. I feel amazing. We just started going back and forth about a recent documentary that he published, which is phenomenal. I'm going to put the link in the show notes below. You've got to watch this documentary, which I
I think finally closes the chapter on seed oils and the inflammatory nature of these oils and their implications in many of the chronic disease conditions that we are blaming on other natural compounds in the body like cholesterol. And that is not to say that we shouldn't keep an eye on cholesterol, but my point is that we have been blaming the firemen for the fire. for too many years.
And the notion that if we had less firemen, we'd have fewer fires is simply a fallacy. And the large data is starting to prove that. So, Paul, I would love it if you would just give us a little background on the documentary, like what led to it, and give us an overview of what we're going to see in the documentary.
And I specifically want to go down in detail the road of seed oils, because just yesterday, one of the biggest, you know, gurus, longevity gurus in our space. We just talked about it. I won't name any names. You posted that seed oils were safe.
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Chapter 2: How long does it take to detox from seed oils?
Chapter 3: What are the effects of LDL cholesterol?
And, you know, every time we meet in the morning, you know, I caught him this morning getting his sunlight and doing his stretches outside on the balcony. the sun. I was like, hey, I'm getting ready to go out there and do my breath work myself. He comes back in. He goes, let me show you my morning elixir. He starts breaking open these capsules of testicle and B vitamins and honey.
We've had raw colostrum over the last few days. I feel amazing. We just started going back and forth about a recent documentary that he published, which is phenomenal. I'm going to put the link in the show notes below. You've got to watch this documentary, which I
I think finally closes the chapter on seed oils and the inflammatory nature of these oils and their implications in many of the chronic disease conditions that we are blaming on other natural compounds in the body like cholesterol. And that is not to say that we shouldn't keep an eye on cholesterol, but my point is that we have been blaming the firemen for the fire. for too many years.
And the notion that if we had less firemen, we'd have fewer fires is simply a fallacy. And the large data is starting to prove that. So, Paul, I would love it if you would just give us a little background on the documentary, like what led to it, and give us an overview of what we're going to see in the documentary.
And I specifically want to go down in detail the road of seed oils, because just yesterday, one of the biggest, you know, gurus, longevity gurus in our space. We just talked about it. I won't name any names. You posted that seed oils were safe.
It's crazy. This is a mini documentary. It's only about 37 minutes long. I did it in collaboration with Heart and Soil Supplements. Those testicle pills that I was emptying into your raw milk this morning.
They're actually pretty good. We put it in raw milk and then we added honey.
You can't even taste them. Those are testicle pills from Heart and Soil Supplements. Heart and Soil is just a company that I built to help people get organs in the capsules. But Hardened Soil has an amazing research team, and I collaborated with them to make this mini documentary on seed oils. It's called Fed a Lie. And it's kind of an entry-level seed oil documentary.
It's just to get people asking the questions. So I'm in the documentary. Chris Kenobi's in the documentary. He's an MD. He's an ophthalmologist. And Nina Teicholtz is in the documentary, who wrote The Big Fat Surprise. The Big Fat Surprise. detailing a lot of the sort of corruption and confusion in the space around the history around saturated fat versus seed oils.
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Chapter 4: Can we trust dietary guidelines?
Chapter 5: How do seed oils affect inflammation?
And this is where it starts to get interesting because I'll say this about seed oils. I think you could come to the conclusion that seed oils are benign for humans if You ignore all historical data, all evolutionary precedent. Humans have never had this in our diets.
You ignore all animal studies, which clearly show that seed oils increase rates of cancer, non-alcoholic steatohepatitis, which is liver injury. That's very bad in animals. They increase adiposity. They increase cardiovascular disease in animal models.
You have to ignore all mechanistic studies, which clearly show that linoleic acid, this 18-carbon omega-6 fatty acid, is very susceptible to oxidation in the biological systems.
And you also have to kind of cherry-pick the randomized controlled trials in humans and ignore the randomized controlled trials in humans that show that when you feed people seed oils versus olive oil or saturated fat, they have increased oxidized LDL, increased LP little a, and increased LP PLA. Increased LP little a? Uh-huh, increased LP little a, 7% to 10%.
Yeah. And that's usually a genetic, more of a genetic predisposition. I actually have high LP little a and my cholesterol levels are great. And I'm very cautious about what I eat. So I take Bergamot O, I take slow release niacin. That's helped. I've done TPE, total plasma exchange.
That really helped. We can talk about LP little a because I want to share with you some data from my friend Dave Feldman about LP little a also. Really? Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that.
I'm very interested in that because a lot of folks that are watching this, you know, that have... They worry about LPLA.
What's interesting, you know, before we get on this road is, and we talked about this before, is, you know, in the mortality space, when we were doing mortality research tables, when we were building these probabilistic models, it was very apparent to us that the people that were living the longest...
all had, and I'm just picking one isolated portion of cholesterol, but they all had elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time of their death. We would process a lot of death claims on folks that were, at the time that they passed, they were in nursing homes, and they actually, we did have blood work on them.
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Chapter 6: What practical strategies can optimize cellular biology?
Chapter 7: How do processed foods impact health?
There is some interesting data about the kinetics of how we hold on to these oils, and it's not easy for us to get rid of them. So when you are eating French fries cooked in seed oils, which are even more oxidized because it's been a fryer oil that hasn't been changed for a week. You know, I've been to McDonald's, I've been to KFC, and I ask them, how often do you change the fryer oil?
both of them about once a week. You know, you go to In-N-Out, how often do you change the fryer oil? Once a week. Once a week, you're frying 16, 20 hours a day in this oil that's very susceptible to oxidation. And if you're getting French fries cooked in seed oils that have been fried in that for a week, you are getting massively increased levels of these lipid peroxides.
Not to even mention the fact that Increasing polyunsaturated fats in the human diet evolutionarily is inconsistent, and we store all of these. It creates this oxidative stress burden in our bodies. It's just like having a bunch of dry wood stored at your cabin in the mountains in the middle of a lightning storm. This isn't a good idea.
If you have a lot of dry wood in your body, the dry wood being the oxidation-susceptible linoleic acid, and you have lots of sparks, you're gonna get lots of fires. And then you're gonna overwhelm your body's resources, and you can run into real problems. Now, people always say seed oils are inflammatory.
And the counterargument is there's no evidence that seed oils are inflammatory because there are some studies which show that seed oils maybe don't increase canonical inflammatory markers like CRP. But I would argue that oxidized LDL, LP little a and LPPLA2 are clearly inflammatory markers. So this is just semantics, I think.
Yeah, cherry picking.
Yes.
Because it doesn't create a nonspecific marker of inflammation like C-reactive protein. You're like, it's not driving inflammation. Well, that's not the only marker of inflammation.
There are so many markers of inflammation. And one of the things CRP does is bind to oxidized LDL, right? So CRP and oxidized LDL are intimately linked. And so to say that there's no inflammatory markers with seed oils is ludicrous. It's just closing your eyes and putting your hands in your ears and saying, la, la, la. I don't see any CRP.
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Chapter 8: What does it mean to be an 'Ultimate Human'?
He can just choose which trials he wants to put in his meta-analysis and write in the abstract that seed oils are benign or trend toward cardiovascular benefit for humans. Wow. This is ludicrous. This is ludicrous. This is the state of the affairs right now.
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I hope it changes soon.
Yeah, yeah. I think it's going to. And if you and I have anything to do about it, you know, it will. I mean, you know, I'm so excited to see the Make America Healthy movement taking off and having a shot at really affecting public policy because, you know, our public policy research really should be independent.
I mean, that should be taxpayer-funded, independent, you know, third-party research, you know, done through the public university system. and completely independent, when you start to bring in private sector funding and you privatize the profits from these and then you socialize the expense, then you're just creating a problem.
And I don't think anybody would argue their health care system is broken. You know, $4.5 trillion a year in health care. leading the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, infant mortality, maternal mortality. We're actually ranked 60th. When I started my podcast, we were ranked 58th. We're now ranked 60th in the world.
We actually were talking right before the camera started rolling about how there are, and it's hard to get your arms around this, but there are third world nations, third world countries that actually have longer life expectancies than us. It's wild. And by third world, these are people that don't have consistent access to sanitation, to sanitary, clean drinking water.
They might not have consistent access to sanitary sewage systems, removing the waste and sewage from close proximity to where they live. But they also don't have a lot of access to highly processed foods, seed oils. They're By default, eating whole foods.
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