The Toast
Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Thu, 05 Jun 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Good morning, girlies, it's the toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your host.
It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. I am joined by Jessi from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives today.
And this is the episode that I think everyone's been waiting for, that I've been waiting for, because I've been bursting with Secret Lives of Mormon Wives thoughts since I watched it two weeks ago. But we never did an official recap because Claudia and I were on break. Oh, yeah. Your job here today is so important. Welcome, Jessie, and a toaster.
Thank you. Yes, this is a dream come true for me. I love you guys. I've been listening to you every day for two years. Like you're part of my daily routine. So it's so weird to be here.
Oh my God, that is so fun. We knew you were a toaster because you are often spotted wearing merch. Yes. On your Instagram. And like sometimes you'll use our sounds and like people send it to us and they're so excited.
People are always tagging you guys like she's wearing your merch. I'm like, no, like it's a big deal for me, not for them. Like I love them.
No, and I just want everyone to know the connection was established long ago, and we are proud.
Did you know I was supposed to go on Good Guys first? When? I was supposed to, because I met Josh at an event in September, and I was scheduled to go on, so they were like, you can reschedule, and we tried, and it just didn't work out, so I'm kind of I thought I got this one first, though. This was meant to be.
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Chapter 2: What are the highlights from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season two?
Sorry, good guys. You hate to see it. You got us first. I'm so sad for you that it didn't work out. But here you are today. We have such a fun show because we need to talk about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season two, which I think, for the first time in history, we had a better season two than season one, even though season one was a cultural shift.
Yes. Which is crazy. Cause yeah, usually it's like, I thought it was going to be a flash in the pan. Like season one did so well. How can we live up to that? No, like two was nuts. Did you guys feel pressure going into season two? What was the energy like? I didn't feel pressure. I feel like it all happened so fast. Like season one came out, we were promoting it.
And then three weeks later we were filming too. So I actually don't feel like we even had time to process Oh, that's so good. Yeah, it was good. And our friend group is a real friend group. So like our dynamic continues even when the cameras are off. So it's not like it was like, okay, cameras are up. Let's put on a show. It was like a just continuation of our lives.
That's where other shows suffer when you can tell they don't hang out in the off season. They need to get back together. It takes a few weeks to drum up drama. But like you guys, cameras went up and now we need to get caught up on everything that happened in the past few months.
That's what scares me about having time off with our show. Like CMA's drama that happened while the cameras were down. So like things happen.
Taylor can't go away for one night.
No, she can't. And her life alone like keeps us, you know, afloat. But yeah, it's crazy how much drama happens. Like even now, like things just never slow down.
No, it's so good. Do you guys all have this mentality of like, we are giving everything to this show. Like we're not going to hold back because I feel like that's how it comes off. Like people aren't too precious about like not wanting to be liked. They're like, this is, we have the show, like let's make the most of it.
Yeah, I think the difference with our show is if you look at most like housewives or anyone on reality, they didn't have a following before. They built it after. And we went in kind of like having followings, being influencers. We're kind of used to just putting it all out there. Yeah. So I think we just kind of like continued that into it. I think that.
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Chapter 3: How did Jessi feel about filming season two?
I was mostly upset because I had publicly posted her on my story twice for CMAs, commented on every TikTok CMAs posted about her. But I just happened to have not seen that exact post she did. I was in Mexico with my kids, but everything else I... Oh, interesting. I promoted on my story. What did she say to that? She realized that. And she was like, you're right. I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have lumped you in with everyone else. And I was like, thanks. That's all I needed. Cause I did publicly support you.
Cause I was going to ask, like, it is weird if someone does something big and you guys comment on everything. That's like, for sure. That was what mom talk is like that nobody commented that everyone happened to be too busy that day is odd.
No, it is. And I'll give her that. Like, that is so true. I had said to her, I wish she would have just come to the group chat and been like, hey, guys, is something going on? Because in Taylor's head, she genuinely thought we planned it. So that's why I stepped in and I was like, hey, I posted you on my story when you were announced. I did a TikTok watching the CMAs.
I posted, like, I commented on every TikTok CMAs did. I just literally, I was in Mexico and I missed that one. But I did give it to her. I was like, it is so weird that we all missed it. I get that. Maybe some of the girls did it on purpose. I don't know. Right.
But you personally weren't...
not being supportive. I think it was a, I think it was the fact that we were all on Thanksgiving break and we were trying to just be off our phones, but still it's weird. And I, I told her that like it is weird and I apologized, but I think it just blew up into something that Demi took to the next level and then it got out of hand. Yeah.
Yeah. Cause like she didn't like, I guess how Taylor like goes online and just starts like having an emotional reaction. That's like, she calls her a liability, but that's also the thing that got you the show. Like it's a sword that cuts both ways.
Like, yes, if you think of mom talk as a business, which I'm having my hard time wrapping my head around, like mom talk, like when you guys are like, this is what mom talks stands for. I'm like-
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Chapter 4: What drama unfolded during the filming of the reunion?
Chapter 5: What happened with Dakota Johnson and Chris Martin?
she's 35 oh okay he is 48 oh okay gotcha a huge age gap no not a huge gap um i saw something so weird this morning speaking of age gaps in reality television like on the bachelor in paradise i think they're sending like golden bachelors down there with the the young the youngins i saw that and then jesse palmer was like we hope that there's an age gap relationship i'm like what
And then when people push back on it, he was like, no, like Bill Belichick, like it's all the rage, what?
That's not a great example.
That's not the takeaway from Bill Belichick.
No, that's not a couple goals. It's not like more of this, please. And also I just feel like sometimes it works, sometimes it really doesn't. Like usually it's one of them taking advantage of the other.
I think that's so weird and I don't understand how they're like getting away with that. You would think the powers that be would just be like, that's an awful idea. Yes, I think it's because they are so desperate to like keep it,
fresh and people love golden bachelor but like not on the beach yeah i thought when they announced that it was gonna be like the goldens are here and the youngins are here and they come together for activities and that's it yeah that's gonna be interesting i will say i want to watch it just to see what happens are you kept up on the bachelor not really i did watch last season because i met grant before um he went on and he was really nice and i liked him so i was like okay i'll watch him
at going to the Golden Bachelorette finale. Oh, he was already like in the world of Bachelor. Yes. So he was like already like slated to be the Bachelor. And your Hulu ABC family. Yes. So we kind of have a lot of crossover. And then Latia, who was on his season, is one of my friends. So she's like a Mormon wife or not Mormon wife, but a Mormon hope to be wife someday.
So I feel like it was kind of like, You know, like the same vibe and everything. So I watched that season, but before that I hadn't watched it in years. I also feel like Love Island has like taken over. Are you going to watch the season? Love Island? Yeah. Yeah. I watched the new one on the way here.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of child actors and parent management?
Right.
While also like making fun of Taylor for not caring about money. Yeah. Like she said that and then said I was fame hungry and we're like, both me and Taylor are like, what? Like it just didn't make sense. But I will say, I think you'll see more of this next season. But since the season has come out, I do feel like watching herself back humbled her a little bit.
I feel like that could happen. I cannot hold space for someone that they see that and that they aren't like apologetic because to see yourself is different than like to live it from your own experience. But then when you see other people's like what they're going through and their testimonials and like, it just, you realize like not everything is just from your point of view.
And in real life, you never get to like live your memories back like that and be like, oh, I can look at this from another angle. So I think it was beneficial for her because she was like, oh, I did this wrong. I did this wrong. And I think it did humble her a little bit. And I will say like, I've seen a different side.
But do you also feel like it's the fan's reaction that's like, well, whatever I did didn't work. Let's try something new. Yeah, it could be like, oh, if I'm apologetic and I'm friends with the girls again, like the public will like me. Yeah, I've thought about that. And that's why for me, I'm good with her. She's going to be my coworker.
I can be friendly and civil, but I will never trust her and let her in the same way.
as I did before. And I'm sure some of the other girls too, it's like- That's how we all feel, yeah. You have to like question, at least in the beginning, someone's intentions when they're apologizing because they've gotten in trouble. Why are they apologizing?
Exactly, it's like, you didn't reflect on your actions before, but you are now. Like the podcast she had done talking about me and Taylor was a week before the show came out. So she was clearly, very firm in her opinion still. And then the show came out and it flipped. So yeah, like you have to take things with a grain of salt for sure. But this world's weird.
Like everyone's like opinions and behaviors change on a dime because the fan reaction is like an unpaid character in the show.
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