Jessi Ngatikaura
Appearances
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And she's like, no, like, yeah, I got us this show, but like it wouldn't be what it is without all of us. Like she couldn't have it alone. And that's what's the difference is she is so amazing that way.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
airplane airplane okay do you want to hear a funny behind the scenes story I was like because I know Taylor didn't want to go to the party so I was like can't you just act like your flight was delayed and you didn't make the party well if it had been up to Taylor and Layla I don't think they would have come but me and Macy had thrown that party and we put so much time money effort into it and I had thrown a party for Jay-Z Styles in season one that never made it
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yes. Which is crazy. Cause yeah, usually it's like, I thought it was going to be a flash in the pan. Like season one did so well. How can we live up to that? No, like two was nuts. Did you guys feel pressure going into season two? What was the energy like? I didn't feel pressure. I feel like it all happened so fast. Like season one came out, we were promoting it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So me and Macy, we, our own businesses, like we put our money in, we were like, what if this gets cut? And we also needed to talk to Taylor about all the drama. It was a big, everything was building up to when the girls would be together, which would have been this party. And Saints and Sinners is like the perfect backdrop for it. So we literally were like, they have to come.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like you guys are letting them go do this brand deal in New York. Like they have to be there. And at first it was like, they can't make it. They can't make it. We were like, no, they have to make it. So they got them a private plane. Like, who the network did. Either that or management. I'm not sure exactly. But, like, whoever the powers be made it happen. And we were so grateful. Oh, my God.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
They, like, got two hours of sleep. Like, did the photo shoot. Flew the plane. Came to Saints and Sinners.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I know. Go off. Everyone's like, Taylor, like, chartered that jet. Like, look at her. I'm like, Taylor is so not high maintenance. She would have been in the back row of a plane. She would not spend money like that, true. Trust me.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like they needed to be at the party. They needed to be there, yeah. For the storyline. Which thank God they were because it made the party so much better. And also like I found out that information about Demi I didn't know. And I just think it was iconic, the saint and sinner of it all.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Much of a moment. And also Taylor walking with her angel wings like so big. It was very dramatic.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yes, luckily like I obviously knew about that in real life, so I didn't see it for the first time on the show.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, who? Taylor told Macy and then Macy told all of us. And we actually confronted her in New Orleans, but it didn't show. Layla. Yeah. It was at one of the dinners and it just never showed. And Layla fell on the sword and apologized and it was fine. I understood why she did it in a sense, but it was still like, okay, are you willing to like lose these friendships and do that betrayal for this?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And then also not stand up for Taylor, even though you told her you would, you know? So like it was murky, but the way I feel- Right. It was like, not stand up for Taylor. It was- It was one thing if she was like fully team Taylor, but I'm like Layla.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No. And we were all annoyed in the moment. And there was so much more to that story. Honestly, though, Demi was the only one who took it to the next level. All of us were like annoyed and upset. And me and Taylor had had many conversations via text and phone, like one-on-one talking about it. After a few days, blown over, we're good.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I was mostly upset because I had publicly posted her on my story twice for CMAs, commented on every TikTok CMAs posted about her. But I just happened to have not seen that exact post she did. I was in Mexico with my kids, but everything else I... Oh, interesting. I promoted on my story. What did she say to that? She realized that. And she was like, you're right. I'm sorry.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I shouldn't have lumped you in with everyone else. And I was like, thanks. That's all I needed. Cause I did publicly support you.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And then three weeks later we were filming too. So I actually don't feel like we even had time to process Oh, that's so good. Yeah, it was good. And our friend group is a real friend group. So like our dynamic continues even when the cameras are off. So it's not like it was like, okay, cameras are up. Let's put on a show. It was like a just continuation of our lives.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, it is. And I'll give her that. Like, that is so true. I had said to her, I wish she would have just come to the group chat and been like, hey, guys, is something going on? Because in Taylor's head, she genuinely thought we planned it. So that's why I stepped in and I was like, hey, I posted you on my story when you were announced. I did a TikTok watching the CMAs.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I posted, like, I commented on every TikTok CMAs did. I just literally, I was in Mexico and I missed that one. But I did give it to her. I was like, it is so weird that we all missed it. I get that. Maybe some of the girls did it on purpose. I don't know. Right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
not being supportive. I think it was a, I think it was the fact that we were all on Thanksgiving break and we were trying to just be off our phones, but still it's weird. And I, I told her that like it is weird and I apologized, but I think it just blew up into something that Demi took to the next level and then it got out of hand. Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
What would that mean without the show? Okay, so the way I think of MomTalk is MomTalk is secret lives. It's just like a code word. Okay, thank you. But also our group of friends. We are women who are working, whether it's the show or Instagram, TikTok, we all bring an income through social media. I own a few businesses, so does Macy's.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So we are women who are the breadwinners and showing that like, hey, most of our husbands are stay at home husbands and dads and we are the breadwinners. And I think that's what we mean by like we're showing that is that women can do it all and have it all and whatever. But it is the show.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yes, I agree. And we've had five pregnancies in the two seasons we've been on, which is crazy. But it's showcasing the season of life we're in now. And all of the girls, like, yeah, they're pregnant and tired, but they're hustling. We're doing press tour, reunion, our premiere, filming the show. We have so much going on.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And if it was like a reality show that was like, oh, it did well, but whatever, we probably wouldn't have as much going on. But because it's number one, we've gotten so many amazing opportunities. So they've had to hustle. Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's great for women. And also Taylor and Whitney both showcasing postpartum on the show.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's hard too. I actually think postpartum is sometimes harder than pregnancy. Agreed. And showcasing that on the show, like Whitney breast pumping every fight we're in. Like it's so relatable. No.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like a Valley spinoff or Summer House. I agree with that. Exactly. Yeah. Because there isn't much. You're right. The Valley's kind of been the first. We've been leapfrogged over. Suburban family with kids show. Yeah. And you guys are doing it too. Which is crazy. I didn't think about it that way.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, I actually filmed, or sorry, I, when was it? I auditioned for the show when I was three months postpartum. That's so great. Yes. And then we like obviously took a while to film and then we filmed her first birthday party in season one. So she was one. I guess I didn't think about it that way, but you're right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like you're postpartum the first year and you're going through all of this like hormonal change and then you have a reality show. That's why with Taylor and Whitney, I'm like, how did they do that? Like crazy.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's what scares me about having time off with our show. Like CMA's drama that happened while the cameras were down. So like things happen.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh yeah. Taylor says that all the time about like our season one headshots. She's like, I was like a week postpartum. Like I hate them. I'm like, I would feel that way too. Like, yeah, you look so different. You're swollen. Like you're not yourself. It's so hard. Yeah. She's feeling like herself again. Oh, yeah. Taylor's back. Like, just wait for the next season.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like, I feel like each season we're going to see more and more of her and all of us, which is great. Do you know when you start filming again? So I actually don't know. We filmed all 20 episodes. So we are done with what's coming next. And that'll be... When was the last episode filmed-ish? We just finished, like two weeks ago.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But the reunion's good because we did bring a little bit of what was going on in real time because people are seeing it online. And then also they showed us clips at the reunion. So we saw some things. Yeah. So we could talk about it. But yes, like the next –
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, she can't. And her life alone like keeps us, you know, afloat. But yeah, it's crazy how much drama happens. Like even now, like things just never slow down.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like every season gets crazier. I don't know how. It's wild.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, I think the difference with our show is if you look at most like housewives or anyone on reality, they didn't have a following before. They built it after. And we went in kind of like having followings, being influencers. We're kind of used to just putting it all out there. Yeah. So I think we just kind of like continued that into it. I think that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
She posted like, Oh, that's why I was like, this is so random.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
You're so right. That's why it felt familiar. Literally. And it's Meghan and Prince Harry. Yes, I know. It was very like normal of them. But also why post it four years later?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
You're right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, you're right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I'm sorry. You couldn't have been doing that. You're right. No. This would have been removed in 10 seconds. But isn't it funny that she thought to set it up and film it knowing she wasn't posting it. That was just for them. Yeah. Does that show like their personalities a little bit?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, no, me too.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Because it's so not the public persona they put off.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, I kind of wish it would have dropped three years ago. Like just to see, you know, what would have happened? Queen Elizabeth would have dropped. Watching her grandson.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like I can't. No, no. But you know what? That's why they left is they want to do things like this. But I think they need to lean into that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And it's funny because I see so many comments like you're just doing this to get attention for the show. Like all this drama online. And I'm like, genuinely, you guys, it's real. Like it's embarrassing to admit that, but like it's real. No, the drama online.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Which I've always been curious. Maybe you know. Why do they keep the royal titles if they're not in the royal family? That's a really earnest question.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh, they don't. Okay.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, but they made such like a big fuss about leaving the royal family that it's like, you would think if that was the case, they'd want to like drop every tie. You know, it's a bit contradictory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's not glamorous. No, it's a lot of work.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like it's not. And she was a working actress. So that's kind of like a fast paced life on like a really popular show. So maybe it was just jarring for her to go to a different type of work. I don't know.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah. I hate my life. Let's leave.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like you can leave the family business without like burning all the bridges. Right. You know, but maybe in royalty you can't. Maybe that it's all or nothing. I don't know.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
instead of like you could have repaired the bridges yes but i wonder if they ever will no at this point no no i'm sorry the book i think oh you're right you're right people forget about it but william doesn't no it'll never happen again yeah it's kind of sad It is sad. You're so close with your family. I am too. Like, I just can't imagine getting to that point. But not all families are like that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I know. And eight years is a long time. What I thought about is his kids. I'm sure they see her as a stepmom. Gwyneth Paltrow gets along with her, she said.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
it's not as harmonious as Dakota. Because that's really hard to blend a family. Like we co-parent with my husband's ex-wife and it's really great, but I know it can go sour so quickly. So like it sucks that they had like this perfect unit. But have you seen like how she's like really close with like Pedro Pascal, who she's filming a show with?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
There's been photos of them spotted together and people are saying rumors. So I almost think the timing's kind of weird.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yes, I've seen things of it, but I haven't seen it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
seen the movie it's such a great like starter kit for blending a family it's so cute like i need to go watch i should have watched that five years ago yeah no every family that's like blending i'm like watch blended okay that's good to know maybe we should tell chris martin like for your next relationship oh yeah definitely watch blended toast movie of the week
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But it's just sad because, like, I remember, like, was it, like, three or four years ago he had done a concert and was like, I dedicate this song to my whole universe. And it was her and she was in the audience. Like, when you see things like that, it is sad when it ends.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Aren't you married, like? if you're together seven years, like a common law marriage. Yes. Like basically they were. Yes. It was not just like a two year relationship. That's like, yeah, you know, but I guess we should have known like they hadn't gotten married and they were engaged for how long. Like that's usually not a great sign.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I could see that. But also, Gwyneth's a little different, too.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's a promise ring. It's like a commitment. I will be curious to see who they both date next.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
What's her type? I don't know.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's very interesting.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, it'll be.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, add her to the list. I think I will. And him. How old is he now? He's got to be like near his 50s, right? Yeah, that's true. Because they have like an 18-year-old daughter.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I don't know exactly. I know that we got renewed for 20 episodes and that's what we've filmed. And 10 came out. So the next 10 are coming soon. Okay. But I have an exclusive for you. Do you want it? I would love an exclusive. So we actually filmed a reunion and it's coming July 1st. So it's soon. When did you film it? It was before the season came out.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's not a great example.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, that's not a couple goals. It's not like more of this, please. And also I just feel like sometimes it works, sometimes it really doesn't. Like usually it's one of them taking advantage of the other.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
fresh and people love golden bachelor but like not on the beach yeah i thought when they announced that it was gonna be like the goldens are here and the youngins are here and they come together for activities and that's it yeah that's gonna be interesting i will say i want to watch it just to see what happens are you kept up on the bachelor not really i did watch last season because i met grant before um he went on and he was really nice and i liked him so i was like okay i'll watch him
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
at going to the Golden Bachelorette finale. Oh, he was already like in the world of Bachelor. Yes. So he was like already like slated to be the Bachelor. And your Hulu ABC family. Yes. So we kind of have a lot of crossover. And then Latia, who was on his season, is one of my friends. So she's like a Mormon wife or not Mormon wife, but a Mormon hope to be wife someday.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So I feel like it was kind of like, You know, like the same vibe and everything. So I watched that season, but before that I hadn't watched it in years. I also feel like Love Island has like taken over. Are you going to watch the season? Love Island? Yeah. Yeah. I watched the new one on the way here.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And that on top of pregnancy is like the worst.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Okay. Yeah. How do you feel today? I feel good. Good. Okay. I've been like losing my voice. So between us two, we're just sick. And I was like, I'm not fucking missing Jessie. So you better get it together. I would have waited. I'm just like, okay, I'll just wait until she shows up. No, no, no. I was like, we can keep it together for a few hours. But Love Island's a long watch.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's like almost two hours. Right. Right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think they had big shoes to fill. That's what scares me. Because it did so well that I think if anyone comes in trying to recreate that, it's not going to go well. But I think Ariana being the host is great. I think that she'll bring that same energy. But I just think that Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise have a lot to compete with now. So they've got to keep it fresh somehow.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So maybe that's how. And this is their big idea, Bill Belichick. We'll see. We'll see if it pans out.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So that's what sucks is we didn't see like everything that unfolded. We lived it. Yeah. But like we did a lot of press in the reunion before we saw it, which is kind of hard. But did you see the episodes?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
23. So why did she not get it when she turned 18? Oh, I don't know. Right? Like you would think that's how it works. Yeah. And this opens up a bigger discussion about influencers, kids who are working in that realm, parents, like, isn't there laws against this?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
This is like a child actor. Yes.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
but it doesn't make him look good no no that's what's shocking to me is like this isn't like reality where you're fighting with your friends like when you have your family involved that's what like scares me like how do you come back from that like your mom stole from you how much do you think their brand deals were as kids I feel like probably like a couple thousand dollars like for stories and posts like so what was in the account maybe like at least like two hundred thousand dollars yeah
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Now, like sometimes people rile you up and you're like, well, yeah, I was right. Well, like one of my biggest regrets is I had no idea like while filming what Jen was going through. So I've gotten a lot of backlash about being mean to Jen, which is totally understandable. But I had no idea. Like New Orleans, when she sent us that video was the first time I realized it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Because it adds up quickly. Yeah. And they're doing it for years. Like that's so awful. That's so awful. Is this the one that like keeps getting divorced and then not divorced? With Croy, yeah. Yeah, okay. There's probably a lot of legal fees too that this money went to.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's really, really sad. Yeah. But I think that's like –
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
the the horror stories you hear about families and the media especially when kids start out young and like when your family is on display like that it does scare me like I would never do this to my kids but it scares me about putting my kids in the limelight because yeah it can just some people take fame and money and it just like turns them into different people and I feel like that's like a prime example yeah do you find that with any of the cast members on your show
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Maybe one or two, one specifically.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It is. Like the fame and the money. I think the crazy thing is like our show was so successful overnight that it was like, yeah, like this huge thing. And with Demi specifically, like overnight fan favorite. She got so much love and praise. That can't not go to your head, right? Yeah. But I feel like she took it to that level.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And then the weird thing for me is that she stood on like, but I don't care about any of this fame, money, none of it affects me. But she was the one who was probably the most affected by it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
While also like making fun of Taylor for not caring about money. Yeah. Like she said that and then said I was fame hungry and we're like, both me and Taylor are like, what? Like it just didn't make sense. But I will say, I think you'll see more of this next season. But since the season has come out, I do feel like watching herself back humbled her a little bit.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And in real life, you never get to like live your memories back like that and be like, oh, I can look at this from another angle. So I think it was beneficial for her because she was like, oh, I did this wrong. I did this wrong. And I think it did humble her a little bit. And I will say like, I've seen a different side.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But do you also feel like it's the fan's reaction that's like, well, whatever I did didn't work. Let's try something new. Yeah, it could be like, oh, if I'm apologetic and I'm friends with the girls again, like the public will like me. Yeah, I've thought about that. And that's why for me, I'm good with her. She's going to be my coworker.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I can be friendly and civil, but I will never trust her and let her in the same way.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Exactly, it's like, you didn't reflect on your actions before, but you are now. Like the podcast she had done talking about me and Taylor was a week before the show came out. So she was clearly, very firm in her opinion still. And then the show came out and it flipped. So yeah, like you have to take things with a grain of salt for sure. But this world's weird.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And that's when I started to like, OK, shift my mind. Yeah, let's back off. Yeah, but I wish I would have known at the time or seen how I came off so I could talk about that in the reunion. But Jen and I are good now. She was texting me this morning, but the audience doesn't get to see that. But hopefully in the reunion, they see that a little bit.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like everyone's like opinions and behaviors change on a dime because the fan reaction is like an unpaid character in the show.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like we're all, we all have it in our heads, you know?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And same with Demi this year.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yes. Cool, that's the only thing you can do, I think. And I will say, I go back and forth on this because I think that Demi and Whitney both gave villain energy in real life. They said and did things that gave the producers material to be the villain, right? I don't think that Macy could have been painted a villain
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
by example, you know, like you have to do certain things, but I will say that with time things change and you can evolve as a person, like in real life, like that's how life works. So like I will leave space for that, but I just don't think people can blame it on editing. And I think a lot of villains try to do that in reality TV.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So I'm glad they're at least leaning into it, but I hope there is like evolution and like change. And I saw that with Whitney. So I will say like Whitney is a good example of like seeing her behavior, correcting it and trying to be better. And I hope Demi does that too.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
She is. She's very opinionated. She's a Leo, so she's fiery. But I could also see her having a fire apology. Totally.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, no, she's very passionate. So like no matter what she does, she does it with passion, which is like admirable. But like, yeah, like even apologizing, you're right. Like I think I said on the show that she speaks like a therapist. And I think that's why I'm scared of her at times because she's so well-spoken that she can convince you the sky is green. And you're like, no, you're right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like that's what's hard about her. But it's such a good quality to be that well-spoken. So she definitely has strengths and I hope she plays into those in like the best way and not like the worst way.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think the reunion will give a little more into the real story and the next season will give obviously the whole story. But I do agree that I think for him, he should have like laid low. Yeah. I just want everyone to know we are not affiliated with that. Like we did not say like make this content. Oh, I don't think so. I don't think that you are.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think people think we all have this master plan together, like Demi and Marciano, then me and Marciano. We all planned this to get relevancy for both shows. That is not what happened. But for himself and his brand, he should have just been mysterious.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, which I guess is good for me.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's so crazy because I obviously knew. Did you freak out when you saw that? Well, I knew it was coming. Okay. So I knew. I, for a month, was like, my life's over. I'm panicked. People are going to hate me. I'm the real villain. like panicked and then it happened and like no one talked about it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's like we were all hung up on the rest of the season. Like to me being the villain and like thanks to me like she took like that spot for me but like I've seen obviously a little bit but mostly people are saying what you're saying like we don't believe this man.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So that's great for me but I will say there's like so much more to that story and I look forward to like the whole truth coming out because there's so much. I need to watch your guys' episode of Vanderpump Villa. It's not that exciting. It was supposed to be better. It wasn't. But you can, maybe it'll give you a little backstory.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I just like, I like to have the whole story whenever I'm like judging a thing. Like I just- Okay, watch it before the next season, like right before. Okay, I will. Yeah, you don't need to watch it right now.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, you have other things on your contemplate, you're good.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Which is more exciting for this show. I mean, this movie is going to do great regardless, but that makes it even bigger, right?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh, in New Orleans, when she reacted that way to the video, like, sorry, I just think it's cringy to cry. I was like, oh, whoa, whoa, we're going two different directions. Yeah. And at that time we had already had some drama. So I was starting to separate myself from her. Yeah. And it's funny because I had no idea what her reaction or the like viewers reaction to Demi was going to be.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I will say the trailer did make me realize why they split it into two parts. When they first announced it was two parts, I was like, why? Like, why? But now I'm like, yeah, each version of this story needed to have its moment.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I agree with you in that sense. I think what made me realize that was when they brought like the Dorothy and like the tin man, it's a whole other world. Yeah. And I hope they, it's not five seconds. I hope that they like have a little bit of
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It was amazing. Like it is a pop culture moment in time. Yeah. So they filmed all of it at the same time, right? So why do you think they're a year apart? Just to drag it out? I think so. To have that like Christmas movie box office moment. You're right. You're right. It's actually crazy that we're what, like six months away from that? Yeah. Because it comes out in November. Yeah. Time flies.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's insane. Like it just happened. I know. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Last November, I think it was like the weekend that came out was the CMAs drama. So I feel like that was yesterday. Is that what you associate with Wicked? No, literally.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
A hundred percent. Like I remember going to see Wicked and I didn't know that Demi was going to see it. And she had parked right next to me and I like sent her a picture. I was like, you're at Wicked too. And we were texting about the movie and then texting about Taylor right after. So like hopefully nothing happens when Wicked 2 comes out because I have PTSD.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I didn't know she was going to be so hated. Right. But in real life I was already separating myself and I actually think it was like the best thing I could.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, it can happen. Has he? No, he has, like, the rail. It's, like, a crib converted. No, my son still fell out of that. Like, terrible. Oh, thanks. Great. Yeah. It's been six months. You're good. Like, you're past that. No, no, no.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh, yeah. Like, you're just going to be on that cycle.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And then when, like, Wizard of Oz comes out, it'll be your third in the bed.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Isn't it funny how like a scent, a sound, a memory can like correlate with something and you remember it always. That's crazy. Like I remember seeing the Lizzie McGuire movie. It was the same thing as Hannah Montana. Like in theaters, I remember the outfit I wore because I was so excited. Like it looked like Lizzie McGuire. Were you a Lizzie girl? Yes. Well, I was both. Like I loved them.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But it's funny how you correlate those things. It is so funny. Core memory. Core memory.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Because I am.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
shuts off automatically that could change your life honestly it could change my life i have the baby bliss pro oh okay those are really good what do you think they have i have my own hot tools so i use mine okay but i've used babalus everything else is that what it's called yeah well i
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
not baby bliss it's baby-less or babalus but i actually don't know so one of us is right i mean i would say the hair expert is right i would assume i'm right because that's how i like learned it in hair school yeah when you went when babalus came to your salon and told you about their new product probably you were right but watch bb wrong and like they reach out to me and they're like you're so embarrassing that is so no let's just see yeah how do you pronounce babalus or babyless
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But it's like you're pronouncing it the way it's spelled. Like that's right. No, no. Wait. Is it even?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, literally like get away while you can. Well, you know, what's so interesting about the internet too, is I think that she went into season two being like, oh, people love that. I told the truth. I stood on business. I think she like, that's who she is, but I think she really leaned into it thinking people were going to love it even more.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's classic Jax. It is, like just keep going. You need to get a brand deal with them. That's iconic.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I wanted to ask you to do my hair, but that would have just been really annoying. Is that your natural color? It is. I am so jealous. Like never change that. Thank you. That's insane. Are you worried about like when you do go gray?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's what I'm saying. Like you would have to color it to keep the red. Yeah. But it probably won't be for 20 plus years. So you're fine.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
yes well for me i can't look at my nails i can't even get a manicure no right and when you're so busy and you're a mom like i'm so jealous of you my natural hair is platinum blonde like i am very blonde yeah you would never know but i like to be darker so i have to do my roots every two weeks like i am blonde like it looks gray when it comes in so i'm very very jealous but you recently went this dark yes
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But I've been darker for like two years. But my whole life I was blonde. And it's funny because I look back at photos now and I'm like, ew. Like I hate it. No, the dark. What is it called? You're a moon or something? Yes, I'm a moon, not the sun. But I'm so jealous because I have so much maintenance. But I mean, I do hair. It's like easy. I can do it myself. But still, you're so lucky.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But I think she just, A, took it too far and B, went against the wrong person, which is Taylor.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So no, we need to have a Jay-Z styles look, which is changing. It is a little bit. I used to do like a lot of curls. That was like the Utah curl look. But I feel like the girls are evolving. Like we've been doing more blowouts. So I kind of feel like each season we have like a signature look. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what season three is. I love a blowout.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Kate, so weird. So great for my business. But I was not expecting that. Like that's just how we look and how we get ready and everyone in Utah does it. And I'm like, it's just curling the hair. Beautiful wavy hair will always be in style.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like bobs and everything.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
A lot of our curling irons in like two days. It was crazy. Wow. Yeah, it was nuts. So it's been great. Like even season two, having like the hair drama with Demi, I was like so not okay with that when it happened. And I was like, this sucks, but it's been great for the business. It has been.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
looks great, and Demi's in your salon, getting her hair done, being like, they do bad hair. I know, I'm like, what was that? And then the box she gave Taylor, we've had, like at the Christmas party, like the present, we've had so many people like, where can I buy the box of goodies?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And so I'm like, oh, I need to like sell those on my websites, all my products, like the Taylor box, like just things like that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah. Thank you.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's two parts. Good.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah. But, um, reunions are sometimes hard to get through.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Because sometimes housewives do like four or five parts. Yeah. That's too much.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
You watch Summer House. Yes, I do. I'm not surprised at all. I think Paige has outgrown Summer House. She's on to bigger and better things.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
She's friends with Sierra and Amanda, but it's not like this is what she would be doing if she wasn't on the show. Right, like in a share house with a bunch of kids. I think that Kyle will hold on until the wheels fall off. I don't think he'll ever leave. It's his livelihood. It's his whole life, it feels like. But I feel like Paige, it was time. Seven years, I think, is a good run.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And I also think that you don't want to stay on a show until it's done. You kind of want to leave while you're ahead.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
She just opened her brand, Daphne. She just announced that. Did you see that? It's a good time to... Also, it's making news about her, so it's good.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like I loved her being in the bed, but like that's not what we need to be watching. Yeah. And I feel like her with like Giggly Squad is like way more popular. That's a better format for like girly chit chat. Yes. I agree. But you're right. We need like feral young people in this house. We only had one couple like hooking up in the house and that was what the whole story was because of it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Why isn't everyone single in Summer House? Like that's what it should be.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And it's on camera.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
A heavy hitter. Yeah, exactly. And I watched your interview with Lexi, and I thought she was so sweet and down to earth and well-spoken. I mean, she's way too good for him, for sure. But I just felt bad for her because he's that charming, doofus guy that just gets a pass for being dumb because he's funny and cute.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
that's what sucks is like i wanted the girls to be girls girls and it felt like certain scenes of the season like around the pool at parties they would be girls girls to her and then they would just like go to jesse and like forget all of that and i don't know it's like it's confusing like how do they really feel do you think there's a part of them that's like oh lexi's a newcomer like jesse's been here so we have to side with him i think
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
She was so chill in the first season.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh, you're right. You're right. Unless they just like made a blood oath. Like we're not telling anyone. Yeah. Because I think about this shows on, you know, they're filming for three months. Like there's, you know, so many months that like they were hanging out together the night of Lexi's birthday party. Like, Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No. And it was just really, it was icky to me. So do you think that next season they're going to, like, recast? Or, like, do you think Lexi will still be there?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Thank you. Yes, this is a dream come true for me. I love you guys. I've been listening to you every day for two years. Like you're part of my daily routine. So it's so weird to be here.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, I think she did so good. She's also like been on a press tour. I feel like they wouldn't prop her up if she wasn't relevant to them.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think she's a value add, even if she's not a heavy hitter. What makes you feel that way? Because for me, she kind of feels like she's just there.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
We need that grounding effect. Yeah. How did you feel about Danielle like popping in after like leaving? Danielle cracks me up. She's like the world's worst best friend. Yes, that's so true. I'm like, every time she comes around, I'm like, what?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, no, I agree. Like she's very true to herself. I'll give her that. But it's just funny that she like left and then like popped in. I'm like, what? Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Like we're understanding. Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But do you think it's because of Summer House? They're this couple on the show. What if the show ends or they leave? Do you think that would dissipate?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
The fact that this year she was like, oh, I don't know if I want kids anymore. I think that says more to the relationship than it does like what she really wants.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, that's true. I'm interested to see what happens with them. They are one couple I can't figure out.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And I would say season two, Taylor is who Taylor is. Season one, yeah, she was pregnant and tired, but that's accurate. My favorite was when Layla tried to speak up in that dinner and Taylor just shut her down. And then she was like, nevermind.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So was the whole cast on Kyle's side? Yeah. That's weird. And also like Craig's not there to defend himself. So that sucks.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But it's funny because I thought I was going to be intimidated by Taylor before I met her. Me and her connected right off the bat. We have similar backstories. And I've never been scared of Taylor. I'm scared of Demi, which is so funny. But Taylor is just, she's like the nicest, most loving person, but then can have that side to her where she'll tell you how it is.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
He still drinks spritz, you know? Still drinks spritz. No, literally like same. So it's just, yeah, no, it's just like him not mixing well with liquor.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh yeah, Shep was, yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
He put Paige through a lot and she helped him through it. And he owned it. Yeah. That's good. But it sucks that it's now coming up again because he doesn't have a voice in it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I need to know why.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I don't watch that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And everyone, oh. Okay, something's going on. They always say that he, like, favors men, too. Yep. Yeah, I've heard that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But I'm never intimidated or scared because she's quick to forgive. She's super loving. And Demi's like a little rougher around the edges. And Taylor's not vindictive. No, no. Even though she's like petty and stuff.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, maybe he must have like known like, okay, I'm doing this today. I have to be in a good mood or something. Or like, we'll only do truth bomb when I'm like feeling it. And I took my happy pills. Yeah. Okay. That's actually funny. Cause is it every night? Most nights. Yeah. So, I mean, you're just seeing an up and down constantly. Okay. I need to watch and like pay attention.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That's a lot of pressure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be hard. But still, it's your job. Do you not know how to fake it?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
No, it's the Taylor and Dakota effect. Like if you follow them on TikTok, it's like we're back together. We're broken up. We're back together. We're broken up. And it's so toxic for your actual relationship because then everyone's involved. Yeah. I actually think that that's for the best that they hid that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think about this a lot because I think Taylor needs to be alone for a while. I think she needs to process her trauma. I need her to have a businessman to come sweep off her feet. But that's what I was going to say. She needs someone older in finance or just a real business daddy. She needs someone like that who's grounded, mature. She can't have someone who's playing these stupid games.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It needs to be done.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah. I think she, she's also so used to the up and down cycle with Dakota that I think when you're in a relationship like that, you take those habits into the next one. That's so boring, but like it's necessary for the next chapter. Well, when you have three kids and you're like in your thirties, it's like, that is the next chapter. Like you need peace.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And I think once she gets the peace and accepts it, she's going to be so happy. So I can't wait to see who she ends up with.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Not great for TV, but like great for her real life.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
everyone knows too much people are jaded they come on they want to protect all their interests but then like secret lives and mormon wise said hold my beer hold my what are you drinking dirty soda what are you drinking for coffee outside of utah um so i had dunkin this morning okay but that's just because that's what was on doordash yeah but it's like yucky yeah it's just like a iced latte yeah it wasn't amazing but what do you drink like is it
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
They're like local coffee shops here?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
spending like christmas break in utah like we're at uh park city oh duh park city's the best we've been there like five times okay so next time you come we have to take you to swig like we'll take you on the mormon wives tour yeah no we're going on the tour we need a bus i'm dying that's so crazy you've been yeah we love it i hope to be back soon yeah you should come back park city is where i want to retire like i would love to live up there and like it's just quieter up there it's so nice
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That was shocking for all of us, even in real life.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's so nice.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
That place is great too. Rural Utah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It looks like a snow globe, like mountains everywhere. And I'm so used to it that when I travel, I'm like, well, this is so weird, but I do love Utah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
We have a lot of like Pargy influencers there.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
It's hard not to be. It's like everyone from Dancing with the Stars, like entrepreneurs, like it is crazy. Like Utah's like a little bubble of like, I don't know. I love it.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Thank you for coming.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And MomTalk. Yes. So it's underscore just Jessie. And it has like four I's at the end. But just Jessie, if you type that in, you can find it anywhere, TikTok and Instagram. And then we actually don't have like a mom talk Instagram or TikTok, which we should. But everyone just kind of has their own.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah. But Secret Lives on Hulu is our tag for like Instagram and TikTok. And that's where you can get all the updates. The reunion's getting announced today. So hopefully that'll get a little buzz going and people will get excited. Can't wait. But you were the first to know.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And I actually really like Whitney. We've spent a lot of time together recently. And she's Whitney. She does things that are funny and dramatic and maybe annoying at times, but she's harmless and she's really fun. And I agree with you that she kind of deserves that redemption arc. Her friendship with Demi is questionable at times. I'll give her that.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But other than that, I do feel like she redeemed herself.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
People are always tagging you guys like she's wearing your merch. I'm like, no, like it's a big deal for me, not for them. Like I love them.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Really? Yeah. Okay, I need to hear this.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Things can change. Do you feel like... if you compare Demi and Whitney's behavior as like the villains that Demi's was worse, because I feel like it made Whitney look harmless. I agree. I genuinely can't remember what Whitney did. She left a group chat. Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I mean, in real life, it was more so like she did like isolate herself, left the group chat, didn't communicate with any of us, but like it wasn't really anything crazy. No, that's not crazy. But your first season of reality TV, everything seems like the end of the world. Yeah.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Oh gosh. So I will say right now, everyone's like pretty good with each other.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Yeah, I mean we have our press tours and I think that's probably the most awkward thing about fighting is we were filming season two while doing press, our reunion, our premiere, everything. So it's like we have to come together and be professional. Did you see like the Entertainment Tonight interview where a fight broke out? Yeah, who was fighting? It was Demi and Jen and then Demi and Miranda.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
and then Demi and Taylor a little bit. It was all of them. Oh, I saw Demi and Taylor fighting on Entertainment Tonight. It was so bad. And I'm like, guys, we have to be professional. This isn't our show. This is a live interview. Yes, but just know it was the best thing that ever happened to Entertainment Tonight. No, they loved it. They're like, keep the cameras rolling.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Did you know I was supposed to go on Good Guys first? When? I was supposed to, because I met Josh at an event in September, and I was scheduled to go on, so they were like, you can reschedule, and we tried, and it just didn't work out, so I'm kind of I thought I got this one first, though. This was meant to be.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But that's the thing is like we have to do those things together and that can't happen every podcast or interview we go on. So we all are good right now. I will say like with Demi, like I'll never be friends with her again. Like we'll never be what we were. But I'm good. On the show, you guys were best friends in the beginning of the season.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
Was she also your best friend in real life or just your mom talk best friend? Oh, no, real life. Like we went on vacation together. We spent Easter with our families together. Like it was like we were really, really, really close. That's why it hurt so much.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think so. It's weird because in the show it does look like I brush over that quickly. And the reason is I didn't know half the things she had said about me at that time. So I was like, oh, you know, it's a misunderstanding. Later I found out more and I was like, oh yeah, that's not good. But basically we were negotiating for
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
season two, and we were about to film, it was in a few weeks, and we, at that point, we're one season in. Like I said before, my point of view is this could be a flash in the pan. I know how reality works, I've watched it forever. You don't just get to jump up by thousands and thousands of dollars, they'll replace you, you know?
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
So I also had like management and my lawyer who was giving me advice on how to handle this. So I was going off of what they were telling me. And basically we were on a call and I had been doing a virtual podcast. So I joined late and it was all the husbands and wives with our lawyers and managers. And it was a call to like bounce ideas, ask questions, because that's our representation.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
We can say whatever we want to them and then they take it. to the network. And basically on that call, they had all decided we're going to join forces and basically say like, hey, all of us are going to walk if we don't get X amount. I didn't know that because I joined late. So I joined the call.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
And the first thing I hear is Brett telling our management if we don't get X amount, then the whole cast is walking like we're done. And that was shocking to me because I'm like, first of all, I don't want a husband speaking for me. Second of all, that's not what I'm going to do. So I said that and they lost their minds. Brett was so mean to me on the call.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
and so demeaning and then afterwards they called everyone behind my back like if Jessie doesn't want to do this if she's going to be selfish then she's off like that way there is more money for all of us and interesting yeah and then the things I didn't know were Demi saying I had no morals no values um I was like fame hungry I would do anything to be famous um I was she's like I don't want to be a pawn in Jessie's hair scheme like things that just took it way too far yeah so I didn't know any of that until later on but
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
when we talked it was very much like she ghosted me for a week wouldn't talk to me finally she came around but it was very much like you need to earn my trust back like I'm so disappointed in you and it kind of put her on a pedestal in our friendship where like she was here and I felt like I had to like beg for her forgiveness and that was like our dynamic and even though we were good again I never felt like good in that yeah so then when more and more started coming out over the season I was like oh she's not a good friend and I need to like let this go
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
understood how did the other girls feel were they ready to band together to for more money like was everyone on board with this plan I think they were in the beginning because they're like yeah like I think Demi had read a story about Jersey Shore doing it and so she was like they got a million dollars so we can do that and everyone was just like okay but then as time went on and we started to see how aggressive Demi was how much she was asking for I think some of the girls were like oh wait like I'm all for making more money banding together but like you're being a little
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
too excessive to the point where like we had heard whispers that maybe she would not get rewarded for that behavior right and we don't all want to be a sinking ship no you don't want to overplay your hand like sure negotiate and like you guys have earned it but like they're well after a few seasons like we have to earn our stripes is how I feel you know so and Taylor was right in that conversation if anyone deserves the most it is Taylor yeah and she's not asking for it
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
I think that's great. That's good for the health of the show. It is. Then that's not like, oh, well, she brought more to the table because we all film six days a week, if not more, and we're putting in the effort. It just sucks because then they choose what makes it and what doesn't. I've had full weeks of filming that none of it made it into the show. Right.
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Secret Lives of Toasty Wives with Jessi Ngatikaura: Thursday, June 5th, 2025
But that's the price you pay and you choose to do that. But we're all putting in the same amount of effort. It's just whose story kind of gets priority. Yeah. But Taylor got us a show. She should always deserve more. But what I love about Taylor, she's really humble. She doesn't care about money.