The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Knicks or Nuggets — More Concerning Comeback? Plus, Game 1 Breakdowns, Steph’s Run, and Stopping Jokic with Richard Jefferson
Tue, 06 May 2025
Russillo starts the show by breaking down Monday night’s wins by the Knicks and Nuggets (1:25). Then, he’s joined by Richard Jefferson to talk about his time playing with the Warriors, strategies for slowing down Jokic, and his Mount Rushmore of former teammates (29:11). Plus, it's Life Advice with Kyle (1:15:30)! Did my friend and I split our chicken tenders equitably? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more: youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. For resources and helplines, visit www.rg-help.com. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Richard Jefferson Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, Mike Wargon, and Jonathan Frias Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What were the highlights of the Knicks and Nuggets comeback?
On today's episode of the podcast, we go deep. Not as deep as some of those three-point attempts from the Celtics, but a great comeback from the Knicks on the road and the Nuggets on the road. What did we learn from those matchups? We'll talk a little bit more on those games and the Game 1 wins by the road team with Richard Jefferson. the voice of the NBA Finals on ABC and ESPN.
We're just going to go through a bunch of stuff with Jefferson, just some basketball stuff, all of these series, and then his Mount Rushmore teammates because this dude has an all-time teammate list and life advice. We have two more game ones in the book, second round of the NBA playoffs, and all the road teams keep winning.
New York and Boston and obviously Denver and that thrilling win at Oklahoma City. I'd start by saying there are two games that through the course of the first two hours of the games, I'm sitting there thinking, okay, this is probably going to go the way I thought it would go. Boston's up huge. And it felt like OKC was in control. And that's not what happened to close out both of those.
Chapter 2: How did the Knicks' defense perform against Boston?
So let's go through some of the stuff I thought was interesting and what ultimately happened. So a Knicks defense that finished 13th in the NBA that felt like Where the conversation would end on whether or not the Knicks could win an NBA title and whether or not they could beat any of the special teams, which they struggled against so much during the regular season.
A team that has Brunson going up against Drew Holiday, Derek White. Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum on the perimeter when he can't get Porzingis, or more importantly last night, Horford and switches, which he's going to look to do every time the bigs are out there, especially with Horford.
Although Horford, I still think at this age, holds up a lot better than you could ever imagine he was going to be doing. That was going to be a much more daunting task than switching into Beasley. Hardaway Jr., Schroeder, who fights but doesn't necessarily have the size, and Cade, who's just not exactly, even with his size, somebody that you're afraid of defensively.
So that was one part of the matchup. You're like, this is entirely a different level of a challenge here for Brunson.
And also the Cat part of this, where Cat can't play off of Porzingis, he can't play off of Horford the same way he could play off of Dern against the Pistons, and knowing that because the Celtics are very hunt-happy in their approach to offensive basketball, that Cat was going to be brought up into all of these actions over the course of him being out there for two hours.
So there were some real basketball things that we've already seen outplay this way. But this defense that finished 13th defensively,
in the regular season was 11th defensively after the all-star break and only one point worse per 100 possessions than boston's defense and where boston finished after the all-star break even though boston just kind of offensively smoked everyone and finished i think it was like an absurd uh 20 plus wins because one team played 28 games the other team played 27 games
But I think there's another part of the Knicks conversation that goes all the way back to June when the Knicks had made the trade for Mikkel Bridges. And when that happened, Bill and I, I don't know if it was a scheduled podcast or we did an emergency pod for the Bridges trade because it's right around the draft where you're like, okay, the concept of Bridges with this team.
The hope would be that at least he provides them another really nice perimeter defender to go with OG, to go with the heart sprinkles and just his tenacious hearts effort, man. I mean, he finds a way with this team. It's like, I'm always going to be the fifth option offensively. I'm not a great shooter. Teams are going to be playing off of me all the time. How else can I impact this game?
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Chapter 3: Why did Boston's three-point strategy backfire?
At 619 in the third quarter, when it's 72-52, Cat, who had a rough night, picks up his fourth personal foul. They bring in Mitchell Robinson, who was 3-10 in free throws last night because the Celtics were hacking him, and it worked out that way. But the Knicks closed the quarter on a 23-12 run.
As it was happening, I'll admit I was wondering, is this because Cat isn't out there or the bad version of Cat that is going to happen in a lot of playoff games for some of the best players in the league, right?
But he just couldn't get it going, and he's being worked defensively here a little bit, and they're getting good looks even when they're missing against some of the Cats, which is on the perimeter. I think it'd be a little unfair to say that the run was totally... motivated by Cat not being out there. Because I just didn't really feel like that even though the thought crossed my mind.
Because it's a really simple thing to look at. Because Cat comes back in at the start of the fourth quarter and they're down 84-75 and four and a half minutes later it's tied back up at 86. So I don't think it's a straight Cat wasn't in there. The argument could be made defensively having Mitchell in there just was better for the comeback if Boston was going to keep settling for threes.
So I watched all the misses again this morning. This is just one man's opinion. Of the 45, I wrote down that 38 were good looks. Maybe seven bad ones. And even bad, it was just so absurd as I was writing through all of the attempts. Like, okay, I guess that one's kind of bad because even some of the ones that I think are good, maybe a little deeper, a little quicker in the shot clock.
I've said that for a couple of years now with Boston, with this three-point output that they've had, that there's always a couple, maybe seven or so a game, seven to 10 a game, where I'm like, that just felt like really, really quick. But that's, That's what you're asking these guys to do.
So you can't get mad at the ones that are a little bit quicker, a little bit deeper when the entire philosophy is that's exactly what we want to do. We want to take as many as we possibly can. We want to be quicker with it. We want to have more possessions. So we have to all kind of accept all that stuff. And even on the bad ones, like Tatum going for a two-for-one at the end of the first quarter.
I don't like the two-for-one first one. I always feel like there's too many teams that just settle for awful shots, but they're like, cool, we get the extra possession. Even if there are times where I'm like, yeah, you took it at like 29 in the clock. So you're going to get it back, what, maybe with four or five seconds? And then what kind of shot are you getting now?
So now you have like two bad shots instead of getting one good one. But again, sometimes it's just the possession math. Jalen Brown at the end of the first half, like is that a bad one where he's catching it deep and he and Brunson are kind of fighting? Like that's not really even that bad. So the other thing of the 45 misses, I'm telling you, like probably 40 of them were open.
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Chapter 4: What adjustments did the Nuggets make to secure their win?
They're not wrong about any of it. I think it's just in those closing moments with Tatum. You're like, hey, you want to try anything else? And it was like, no, I don't. OK, more dramatic, perhaps even Denver's win against OKC happening on the last second shot from Aaron Gordon. So it played out early the way I kind of expected it to.
The defense from OKC, all these incredible moments, the plays that these guys are making, how smart they are, all the variables that they have to throw at this Denver team, which can feel like a one-man band at times. But it was not the case last night. But I just have a bunch of plays here that I love. There was a play where Jokic is on the left block. He's got Chet on him.
Caruso comes down to double him. Westbrook goes to caught off of the double, thinking like, you know, there's probably a
some kind of pass from Jokic here Jokic is thinking the exact same thing yet Caruso's already a step ahead of both and realizing I'm going to show the double I'm going to come and then Westbrook's going to cut and then I'm going to jump backwards and intercept this pass it was nuts it was so beautifully played by Caruso I was like okay and that's the moment where Jokic is going to be thinking I didn't think he was going to do that um there was another play where
Murray was just way too casual at times against this team, and that is the one thing I've said all year about OKC. Well, it's not the only thing I've said about OKC, but when you're going up against them defensively, you cannot screw around. Murray loses it with just a casual control of the ball, and Caruso knocks it away.
Murray, a pass to the left side in the first half, just really slow, regular season speed. Caruso steals it. First play of the second half, all right? Denver's in it. The score is not certainly insurmountable, as we learned later on. First thing, set the tone here. A bit like the Van Vliet four-point play at the start of Game 6, Golden State, where Golden State's hanging on by a thread.
They're obviously behind in that game. And then you come out, you're like, all right, fourth quarter, it's go time. In this case, it's the third quarter. Murray's first pass, he's not even doing anything other than, I'd call it an entry pass, but it was like past the three-point line. It's so slow and just casual, and Caruso jumps that.
You're like, all right, guys, you're going to have to be aware that Caruso is a step ahead of all of the stuff that you're doing. There was a transition pass in the first half from Jokic where, you know how quarterbacks will throw different, Passes against routes where linebackers and coverage, and you're like, the linebacker's never going to make a play on this football.
Maybe not apples to apples here, but Jokic, of all people, throwing a transition pass, and Dort just jumps up and steals it midair. It happens so quick, you're basically thinking, did that actually just happen? Chet had a block on Jokic. Chet had another block on a Jokic lob to Michael Porter Jr., where he just comes in and wrecks the entire thing.
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Chapter 5: How does Richard Jefferson view Steph Curry's career evolution?
I'm sitting next to Steph and he's like, yeah, do you know more story? And I have no idea the story about the teammate of the year award. And I have no idea. Steph is such, we'll keep it, such a little smart ass. Brain's here, Steph's here. We're both looking at him and he goes, Richard has no idea about the story. And everyone just starts laughing because I had no idea.
He's like, Richard's going to need some follow up questions. Just we're sitting here before a big game and he can just laugh and joke and like mess with people. That's where he's a special, special person and definitely a next level superstar because not every superstar has that type of charisma and just gravity.
Yeah, he did win teammate of the year this year. It's one of the lesser known.
Do you know the story? Do you know the story? I don't believe that I do. There you go. And you are a basketball savant. And you don't know the story. Who is it named after? Well, I have it in front of me now. So it's Twyman Stokes. Okay. Do you know the Twyman Stokes story?
I've lost track of all these awards.
Well, it is a really good story. I'll let you, I'll let your readers, I'll let you read it up. But when you read the story, the award actually carries more weight. And I think they should do a better job of describing what that story is and the origin of it. I think that would actually make the story a little bit bigger. Cause I don't think, I don't think it's so, I didn't know it.
Yeah, I didn't know it. I have it in front of me now. And now Steph is like, he knows, he can feel the energy from me, right? He can feel the energy come from me. I'm like, I'm leaning in. Like, is he going to tell the story or is it basically the same thing I'm doing to your audience at home?
It's an incredible story. I just read the synopsis here as you were going through it. So, Murray Stokes, Jack Twyman, and then Murray Stokes suffered an injury, permanent paralysis, and then Twyman became his legal guardian. So, spending the rest of his life with him. So, yeah, I'd lost track of that one.
I am going to have to pivot out of this, though, to ask about, you know, watching Minnesota and the Lakers –
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Chapter 6: What role does dribbling play in player development?
Same with like just face guarding Steph. It works. It worked for, you know, three quarters, two and a half quarters in that game, five without Jimmy. But once they break free, now it's like you're playing four on four. That's a lot of space. If you're playing a whole half-court game four on four, whoo, If you can get past your opponent, the options are easier to hit because there's less crowded.
The finishes are easier to get to because it's less crowded. So doing that defense works, but you're going to have to continue to mix it up because if you give them a steady diet, they'll break you apart quickly.
Say you're in a game, playoffs games, 2-2, game five, 14 seconds left, shot clock is off, and Brunson, you're going up against either Brunson or SGA on the other side. Who are you more afraid of right now?
Oh, Brunson. Brunson. Brunson. I think that, and I'm not, I'm saying, I feel very confident in SGA. I'm not excited. I'm not excited. SGA. I'm not excited. Kobe, Luca, Brown. I'm not excited if any of them have the game, but there has been somebody over the past two and a half seasons that have been in so many clutch crunch games have performed, like have been explosive.
You look at Detroit, how he plays, you look at the lake, you look at some of the big shots against Bob, like this is what he does. Little guy, you know, just figures it out. Team is built around him. He's got the space. He knows his shots. And it's not just big three. It's drive to the basket. I couldn't believe he missed that little left-hand floater from Carl Anthony Towns late.
Like even he was laughing. He's like, of all the shots I missed, that's the easiest shot I had all night. And that's to win the game. So I'm just saying currently right now, Brunson is playing. I think he is the guy that I would look at from an NBA standpoint, still like not expected it, but you're just not like this dude really did it again. Like it's, it's been fun to watch.
i i think with og you know there's things i liked and there's things that i didn't necessarily like like if you're a wing i think one of the knocks which i think was a fair knock is i always talk about like two dribble guys and then there's guys that can dribble there's a lot of guys that can dribble it twice i'm a two dribble guy i was a two dribble guy it's fine it's i know my i know my i know my range
I think I remember when we first met, too, I was like, you know, I really couldn't believe you went as late as you did. I was like, I really liked you in the draft that year. That was before I was even working in the business. And I would be so obsessed with the draft and I would just be like enthused going, how can an entire league like do they not they not get it?
And then it was like, well, there's also with Jason Kidd running around out there. But this is actually I like this, though, because I was talking with somebody about this the other day. When you don't get to dribble in NBA games, you're never going to be good at dribbling.
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