Kyle Crichton
Appearances
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The 2025 NBA Trade Value List With Ryen Russillo
And he plays really well with Jokic.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The 2025 NBA Trade Value List With Ryen Russillo
I mean, would Ishby do that? Of course.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The 2025 NBA Trade Value List With Ryen Russillo
Hurts being on defense a little bit.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The 2025 NBA Trade Value List With Ryen Russillo
Would you have him above or below Anthony Edwards, who I have at number seven?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The 2025 NBA Trade Value List With Ryen Russillo
Okay, make the case. Tatum plays all the time. They're about the same age, right? No.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Already, it's already 700 names are in the portal when it opened yesterday. Oh, my God.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Yeah, it's it goes back to like, you know, Nick Nolte says that like the rules don't make sense, but I believe in the rules. And I do think like now more than ever, the rules really don't make sense. And the NCAA has no incentive to fix the rules because whatever they do, they get sued. If they try to fix it, they get sued for that. If they don't do anything, they get sued for that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
So they're basically just putting their hands up saying we'll pay out these payouts. We hope we can exist and keep this tournament going. But you guys, they're taking their ball and going home. at this point. And then the game itself, uh, to use a Celtic city reference, which I really liked, there was the Spartan era of college basketball.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I feel like we're in a, an Athenian area, area of college basketball. We're like, we're a thinking man's game of college basketball. Like there are really smart teams. There are really good teams, BYU, Alabama. Those are two future NBA coaches going head to head to offensive masterminds. So like college basketball, the game itself is awesome.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I think we still need quarters in the game to match with FIBA. And I think then we're really cooking, uh, But I think it's in a good spot. But then the rules and the transfer portal and the super conferences, all that sort of stuff, all gets kind of bundled together to say, hey, the death of college basketball. But in specific pockets, things are going well.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Yes, please.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And because that's how a lot of the GMs are doing it now, Bill, even Lombardi. Right. He goes to Carolina football and he's like, these guys are signing two year deals, not one year deals.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And you would have been smart and said, hey, why are we even doing mega conferences or super conferences? It's because of football. Why can't football exist in its own world?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Well, it was I do feel like we're all going to the conferences are going to take over and make decisions once the NCAA is paying out all their many reparations over the next few years and slowly become more and more defunct as an organization. And I think the conferences are all going to take over. And maybe there's a world where there is just one super conference. But I do think that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
everyone with the brain is going to look around and say, what are we doing here? If we're going to have to manage all of this as a conference, why don't we recede back to what we were? There's too many different, you know, we have to feed too many people. Look at the NCAA tournament. There's 14 SEC teams and they're all really good. And like, not everybody can eat.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And eventually people, you know, they get hungry and they start complaining. And then, you know, I think it does kind of revert back to the old ways because we've gone too far and everybody knows.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Idiocracy is right in front of us, BS. I think you're right. I think you just said it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Well, I mean, obviously Duke is special in what they are and the hatred that's there. I mean, NC State has always been somewhat of a rival, but at the same time, I liked, you know, I had friends that were going to NC State. I liked some of their teams.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I didn't really hate him. In fact, there really was only Duke that I had really despised. Even Maryland, even though they would beat us, I kind of respected them. And I liked Juan Dixon. I liked Steve Blake. I liked Lonnie Baxter. I liked those teams. So it really was a Duke thing. And now, Bill, as you know,
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Duke is not the Duke of old, and they're not as hateable, even though Cooper Flagg is showing some flashes of going full Duke, which I do appreciate. In general, they're just not a very hateable organization right now because they're just doing everything better than everybody else. So you can't really get that bad. But, you know.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I need an enemy. You know what I mean? Like, as I exist out here, sometimes you're like, I kind of miss just having that hovering, you know, in the background. And he still is there. B.S. You know, he's doing a radio show. He's making sure he's seen. So.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Yeah, Bobby was supposed to be that guy too, right? You know what I mean? It's kind of like Bob Knight had Steve Alford, right? Steve Alford was supposed to be his protege. It was him on the floor. Then obviously Coach K had Bobby Hurley. And you would assume that Bobby Hurley would have been the one that is the new Sith Lord as Danny Hurley is. So Danny kind of stole it from his brother.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
There is that brotherly competition rivalry that's kind of built in there. And then Coach K has kind of basically included himself in the Dan Hurley story. You know what I mean? He's done what... Classic Coach K. Well, he got Seth Curry, right? BS. And then he got Steph Curry by transitive property. This is something that he's done before.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He's a genius. I'm honestly impressed. I'm like, how did he?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
number one favorite thing and this is catered towards you and the nba fans because i want them to care the by utah jazz ryan smith is bankrolling byu basketball danny ange is monitoring the situation he is going to all the games he has gotten kevin young there who is going to be an nba coach at some point he has a really good squad richie saunders if you're a throwback college basketball fan you're gonna love richie saunders this guy just gets buckets he does whatever he needs to do to win energy
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He's an excellent player, gets everybody involved. And then if you're an NBA guy, Yegor Dimon, you know, playing point guard, but really he's like a wing. He's like a wing forward, kind of like in the same vein. He fell a little bit.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He's trending in the right direction, BS, at the right time. Because you know the NCAA tournament is powerful. All these scouts get together. They're in the same gym. Something happens. The lights are bright, and they say, hey, he's one of those guys. Derrick Queen, we just saw in Seattle. The red hourback test. Does he want to be good or great? Derrick Queen said, I want to be great.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
But back to BYU. I like the makeup of this group. I like that they're funneled and fund by an NBA team. I like that A.J. DeBantz, the future number one pick, will be there next year. They're laying the foundation.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Well, that makes BYU this year even more pertinent for them to make a run. Because if A.J. DeVance is not going to be the number one pick and they get that cachet, they need to do it now. They're a fun team. They know how to score. This is the highest over with Alabama and BYU. So the BYU-Utah Jazz, that's my first pick.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Right. With Danny Ainge, his alma mater, a guy who went to the Elite Eight back in the 80s, who wants to bring him back to prominence. I mean, there is a lot of layers to the BYUtah Jazz.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I like him as like a Kevin Love comp. I love the outlet pass. I love that he's a little chubby right now. And I love that he wears the long sleeves because he is a little bit chubby.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
That's true. He's getting in shape. And that's what Kevin Love did. And you mentioned it. I mean, maybe he is a good stats, bad team guy. That's what Kevin Love was. He went to Minnesota.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He just got to 20 and 13. And he was a lot of fun to watch. And then eventually a contender, LeBron James, in the heat said, hey, or the Cleveland Cavaliers at that point said, hey. Come join us here and play on a real team. So I think that that's kind of like best case scenario for Queen. But you talk about touch. You talk about like vision. You talk about just natural, innate feel for the game.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He has it all. And I like that he wanted the ball at the end of the game and he made that shot. I know a lot of people were talking about was it a travel or was it not a travel? In the NBA, it's not a travel. So if you're an NBA fan, you're very encouraged to see him want the ball and finish a game. So he's a lot of fun to watch.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
That's that feel, though.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Yeah, hyper specific roles. My next one, you love the 2000s Michigan State team that went to Flintstone. So I like the Flintstone kids, Jace Richardson, Jason Richardson's son. He is starring for Michigan State. Tom Izzo has the toughness with this group. He basically said last year he's going to die trying to get Michigan State another national championship. And I believe in Bill.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And I think right now.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He's fighting for his life out there. And this team, while they're not all from Flint, Michigan, they do have the toughness, the mental makeup, and they have bench points galore. This team does not have a guy. They do it by committee. It's the team, the team, the team. RIP Gene Hackman. But that's what Michigan State is this year. And I do feel like...
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
This group is on their way to making a special run, and it's very cool to cut to the crowd, see Mateen Cleaves, see Jason Richardson watching his son play. And every single time they need like a big bucket to kind of get them going, it does feel like it is Jason Richardson. So I like that connective tissue, and I like the storyline of the Flintstone kids. So I think that's a fun one to watch.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Yeah, tough draw. Tough draw. But Auburn, I mean, they're susceptible to a team that actually plays and sticks together as a team. And I feel like that would be the sell against Auburn if they get matched up with them in the Elite Eight.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I like a captain's pick, like what we do for the Ryder Cup. We do that for the NCAA. Yeah, we have a captain of the tournament. We select like a celebrity. This year, Condoleezza Rice is our captain. Condoleezza Rice, who does she want? She wants Rutgers. And Rutgers comes firing into the tournament.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I love that. I mean, look, Ace Bailey had a great game at Indiana this year. That was probably like his go-to tape. Yeah, Kyle Mann was in the building for that one at Assembly Hall. Dylan Harper, I mean, he showed flashes of why people thought he could be potentially a number one pick candidate. It does suck that they're not in the conversation. And I'm with you. Let's get a captain's pick.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Let's get him in.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Next one, I'm going to be fair because we talked bad about Coach K and Duke before, but I do think it's obvious and maybe it's ridiculous. We haven't even said it yet, but the flagship, the main character from Maine, Cooper Flagg is the story. Cooper Flagg is the headline. Cooper Flagg, New Balance said he was the intelligent choice, right?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
So that goes back to the Athenian kind of aspect of this team. He's a thinking man. He's got the best IQ on the floor, but also he's a Spartan. He wants to kill you and he and killing you and he enjoys watching it. You talk about a killer instinct. This guy is different. He loves Christian Laettner. His parents obviously have instilled him with the Laettner kind of mindset.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He went down with that ankle injury. Everybody was worried. I was not. This is the kind of guy that he is. He's tough. He doesn't really care about anything else other than winning. I think that Duke, this is like if you could build someone in the laboratory to go get you the title that you need this decade to Cooper Flagg is that guy.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And it's almost a disservice that he's not getting more coverage because he is that good and he's that much of a winner. So it's ridiculous he's been this far down our docket. But the flagship, Cooper Flagg.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He has four little brothers and they all have insane names that start with K. It's like Kager, like Knife. Like they're all like the most ridiculous.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Oh, yeah. She's got a plan.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
We're waiting for you. I can't wait till they tell Cooper Flagg about bird rights. And he's like, yeah, these are my bird rights.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I would have gone to Carolina and I would have tampered. And every recruit on campus, they would have had the best time they ever had. I promise you that. Andrew Wiggins would have been a Tar Heel.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I DM him on Twitter every once in a while, just like pictures of the Hornets. I'm like, this could be you hanging in the rafters.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I'm going back for the one season, the farewell tour for sure.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
And they're kind of do right. I mean, 2019 was Zion Reddish and RJ. That was a team that probably should have won the national championship. They lose the Michigan State 2022. They're on a collision course to win the championship on a wooden storyline for Coach K. They had to go up against Carolina. They lose with Bankaro. So it does feel like third time's the charm.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Like Cooper Flagg is kind of infallible as he goes on this run. Like Palo, there's a little bit of like, he's going to be the number one pick. Who cares? Zion, sort of the same deal. Plus there was the infighting of who gets the most shots, RJ or Zion. This team, they don't care who gets the shots and neither does Cooper and they win regardless.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
So I do feel like they're kind of the perfect version of a Duke team.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
He's playing better defense. He's coming in. They got him now as like buying in just kind of the defensive X factor.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Tate's older.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I appreciate that it's moving its way through the world. You know what I mean?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
How about we do Steph Curry and then I basically pitch him on the Hornets the entire round.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
I'm like an old assistant coach with like the National Letter of Intent. I'm just trying to get him to sign the paper. I'm like, hey, Steph, can you sign your scorecard?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Thank you. Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Talking NBA, March Madness, JuJu, MLB and 'The Bachelor' With Callie Curry, Tate Frazier, J. Kyle Mann, and Anthony Dabbundo
Thank you.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
This weird injury, yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Yeah, he's too crafty.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Minnesota’s Coming, OKC’s Here, and We Can Save the NBA Season With Kirk Goldsberry and Bill’s Dad
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Luka Gets Traded to the Lakers… What??? | With Ryen Russillo and Rob Mahoney
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem says renewing temporary protective status for more than 300,000 Venezuelans is, quote, contrary to the national interest. That comes as a blow to Venezuelans who came to the U.S. seeking refuge from the authoritarian Nicolas Maduro regime and now face possible deportation.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Luka Gets Traded to the Lakers… What??? | With Ryen Russillo and Rob Mahoney
Adelise Ferro with the Venezuelan American Caucus says her community is shocked and disappointed.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Luka Gets Traded to the Lakers… What??? | With Ryen Russillo and Rob Mahoney
TPS designations are generally 6 to 18 months, but repeated extensions are not uncommon. Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Steph’s Last Ride, Philly’s Swoon and Bill’s ‘SNL 50’ GOAT Lists | with Rob Mahoney
Yeah, that always helps.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Steph’s Last Ride, Philly’s Swoon and Bill’s ‘SNL 50’ GOAT Lists | with Rob Mahoney
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
Steph’s Last Ride, Philly’s Swoon and Bill’s ‘SNL 50’ GOAT Lists | with Rob Mahoney
On the way so I never said I don't have a few years with him On the way so I never said
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Memphis Lowdown, and Forgotten NBA Playoff Teams With Ryen Russillo and Chris Vernon
We'll see you next time.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, they felt... What was their rushing passing? So they did... They ran the ball 32 times.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
Matt Stafford, Drew Brees, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers. Wow.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
It doesn't matter.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah, they get everybody. Guess the lines. Chiefs, Eagles, and I'm going to say, it's in New Orleans, I'm going to say Chiefs by two and a half. Okay. I said, I've not seen it yet. Swear.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
What is it? 114 and a half. What? Yeah, you just read his stats. I can't give that free money. He's playing the Chiefs. I mean, Cook almost had that, right?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
What else do you want to see? James Cook had 85 yards. Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The Chiefs Break Buffalo’s Heart, Philly Rolls, and Guess the SB Lines With Cousin Sal
That's my boy. That's good hard-nosed stuff. I like it. That's it. So I'm the jerk again. You know,
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I have a quick NBA thing for you.
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Yeah, well, we already have that.
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I think LaMelo's in it.
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Two guys who never want to play. What a great trade.
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I know. You're right.
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Did you look at the lottery odds?
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Did you see the spacing stuff, man?
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myriad times where he will get in the middle of the floor he'll take a quick snapshot of what where the spacing is on the floor and he was really really good at making those kind of short roll like connective passes or come off a pin down what was really funny is that like Montverde used to run this Very Bird-esque pin down on the block for him.
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And they still are doing it at Duke a little bit because he's lethal in the middle of the floor right now. So I think if you look at the way that he's able to read the floor in that sense, and then you see him kind of fledgling and blossoming as a ball handler. Like I said, Tatum is ahead of him, but I think Cooper is way ahead of Tatum as a processor of the floor at the same age.
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Couldn't agree more. And if you look at the gap between those two things and you see where Tatum is and you see Cooper's brain, his skill set, and you say, okay, well, what's the difference there? And this is the argument I made in the piece. The difference, the distance there is just his handle. I really do believe that's all it is.
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And if you look at the way you're talking about his mom, you're talking about his basketball family. If you look at the way he has courted, uh, challenges in his career since the time we followed him, um, Every indication is that this guy is a maniac worker. He went to Duke a year early. He left Maine a year early after like two years there where he was just dominating.
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Actually, it might have just been a year. And he's just way ahead of schedule by design. And he's just an insane worker. So I expect him to bridge that gap and improve his handling.
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That'd be a crazy collection of, like, athletes, I would say, over the short amount of time. Like, if they picked up Koulibaly and then picked up Saar and then picked up – Yeah. Some players, when they come into the league, I look at them and I think there's a lot there, but the conditions and the context of where he goes is really, really going to affect how he develops.
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Cooper, I think, is a context. Some guys are. They're just culture setters. Tim Duncan, this is like Hallow gets struck by lightning type thing I'm going to say here, but You know, Steph, LeBron, those are the types of guys who just have winning habits. They demand the most of everybody.
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I had a funny conversation with a friend of mine, and he'll know that I'm talking about him when I say this, but he's a physician, and he does surgery, and he was telling me whenever...
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In his operating room, he said he sets the tone to the point at the level of excellence to the point where the stupid people and the lazy people don't want to be in the room with him because they know they're going to be accountable.
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And I just started laughing and I was just like, that's what great people do is like you kind of if you're going to be in the room with them, you know, you have to kind of.
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elevate your game and I think that Cooper is that type of guy but I think you're right man he like he he and I think he's willing to sort of fit into any kind of scenario wherever he goes and the shooting is going to come along like that that's that's the only other thing I would add to is if you go back and people should go watch this we've known Cooper for probably four years in the mainstream and
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You can go watch his games from when he was a freshman and a sophomore in high school. He was shooting like set shot in the driveway three pointers. The distance that he has come in the three or four years since we've known him is remarkable. Like he was just a run around deer block shots guy when he came on the scene. And he's become a full fledged handler in college in a tough conference.
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Well, the ACC sucks, but tough competition.
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I don't think so. I think I really don't even know what would have to he'd have to like just totally crap the bed or something. He's he there are certain prospects that get to the point where it is it is you're just like you're not having like positive generating, like diminishing returns is the word I'm trying to think of.
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It's watching him at this point is just not, there's not a lot of point to it because I've seen enough.
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I think that he is probably the most... You mentioned KG's active mind. I wasn't scouting back then. I was a kid. But I mean, he probably has the most driven personality other than I would say Wimby is the only other person that I can think of that when I watch them, I'm just like, there is singular focus in this person. And you can tell that they're bright. I just think...
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And this can transition into kind of some of the broader things about the league and the way it's going, I think. But he just has this curiosity about him that I would not bet against. And I don't want to overstate when we talk about his handle and things like that. It's not like he's a yakety-sacks disaster. It's just he has a couple different...
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areas where teams are trying to bait him into going. And he's getting smarter and smarter about not taking the bait. And there are some ways I pointed them out in the article that he can specifically, I think, set his man up to create kind of driving lanes for himself and create more advantageous situations. But you mentioned like which team he goes to. I just don't I wouldn't worry.
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Yeah, because you can go so many different directions with him.
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You're right about Luca. I'm trying to think of... I'm sure there are other ones. I mean, these are just kind of the high points.
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Yeah, the Luka one you pointed out is a good one, too. And I think that one should be in the group, too. And he has some similarities in terms of the way... I always try to watch guys who run away from stagnation in their development towards the NBA. Right.
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Luka, every single time, and the people around him played it really smartly, is that when he was at a certain age, the challenge... They were always ahead of the stagnation. They were like, all right, we see that he's going to stagnate here. And they just kept moving him up. And I think what happens in that situation is you just develop...
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The later you delay problem solving in your development, I think the worse off you are because problem solving and decision making are the most important thing to help you adapt to the speed of the NBA. And I just think you see some guys like Chris Paul came into the league and his size always was a stimulant, I think, for him as a problem solver.
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Whereas you look at somebody like these high school college guards who are big bullies on the playground who get to the NBA and suddenly they can't bully anymore. You just see them be like for the first time in their career, like, oh, shit, I got to think about this in some way. And you see them kind of get bowled back by it. I just think that Cooper is so ahead of it on that front.
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It's hard to, like, not hold it against guys, too, because you'll watch players who are 18 years old, like you said, and you're like, how competitive is he? I don't know. You start to feel a little wishy-washy about it.
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And I think to myself, I'm just thinking, well, thank goodness no one was judging my career when I was 18 years old because I was just a total shithead and had no clue what I was doing.
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Yeah, this all ties together to what we were talking about with Cooper. And I think it factors into player types and things like that. When you're looking at the way the two teams that I think before the season, your pick for the finals was OKC Boston, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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And I think if you look at the way and I think this will tie to Jimmy's fit with Golden State, too, which I know you want to talk about this spatial sense and flow. Like we know that in the past, really, since video and analytics became really, really ubiquitous and easy to access. I think that the league made a leap forward. I don't even think that's speculation.
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I think the flow of information just iterated really, really fast. Things were more... The scouting reports got more and more complicated from game to game and more detailed and things like that. So you've just kind of seen the flow of information take... A leap up.
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And I think if you look at the way I know you're keenly aware of this, but when you just kind of I noticed this in the finals, whenever the Celtics players, I remember I was like watching. There are a lot of people on Twitter who are we have people who are the former NBA people, the people who I think are actually qualified to analyze mid-series adjustments in details.
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There's not a ton of them, but we have some on Twitter. And you were watching the details, and you would go down through there, and they'd say, okay, there's this, this, this, this, and this rule for this, this, this defensive coverage.
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And I'm just looking at it, and your head starts spinning, and you just think, how in the world could someone on the court keep all that information in their head to the point where it's reactionary? And I think that is...
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Something that is setting OKC and Boston, aside from just being smart transactionally, something that is setting those two programs apart is I think that they are curating people just better than anybody else. I think you're getting good basketball players, but if you look at the types of guys and you're like, why is Peyton Pritchard popping? Why is Sam Houser popping? Why is Luke...
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Why are these guys working? What is what is it about Al Horford that's allowing him to, you know, why is it that Derek White is has found a home there? I just think that overall, if you look at organizations and how they are like evaluating people, I think that that is a huge advantage in the NBA today just because of what we were talking about in terms of the speed of the game.
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You could sustain like one or two of those guys, right?
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Yeah, sometimes you get lucky in a superstar like a Jokic. You just sit him in the middle of your planetary diorama and everything falls into place around him. And Jokic takes spare parts. If you handed a professional drummer a really crappy drum kit, he knows how to make it sound good. I feel like that's kind of Jokic.
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Jokic can repurpose things that maybe one man's trash is another man's treasure. But I think with these teams, these two teams specifically...
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When you think about the slugging percentage of how many decisions there are within a given NBA game, and you think about the difference, the margins between a small decision, and I think attacking and vacating space is an enormous thing that can tank whether or not a team is working. With the Celtics or with OKC, if a guy doesn't have an instinctual feel for
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all right, they're loading up on Shay in this situation. X player's head is turned. You know, I'm going to go here. And that takes an activeness of mind, I think. But then the other thing is just how... And vacating space is the other thing. Just getting the fuck out of the way, as we've seen, is, you know, knowing when to do that. But...
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i think in terms of guys getting better too i think it's gotten super detailed down to the point of they know what it takes for a person to like have like a permanence of a concept and they know how to sort of uh do that whenever they're working guys out and guys who aren't reflective people you're talking about like knowing who you are they're just not going to be as apt to grow as fast as other players so i think it's gotten really like psychologically detailed even in that point
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And I think you're absolutely right about it does kind of come down to knowing who you are. Like, it's amazing how many teams across the league don't really know who they are. I made a joke last year about the Bulls. I was like, the Bulls were like Bruce Willis in the sixth sense. They were dead and they had no idea.
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And you'll look at some teams, some teams who just are just sunk cause following these paths that are never going to end up being a masterpiece. And I think that's a really key part of it.
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I would say David West.
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Yeah, there's a sweet spot of distressed asset and talent that you could bet on in the right scenario. And you also just have to have the culture to sustain something like that. And the Warriors have proven over and over again that they can. But I think the big thing, I was looking at some of the stats through, I guess it was seven games. I mean, there are seven three-man lineups.
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that Jimmy is a part of that have a plus 20 net rating. And only one of them is like actually negative. He's in one lineup that's like negative 0.5 or something. So his impact on it has been immediate. And I think you hit it where talking about like Duran and the post, I think the big thing is that Steph has not had like a switch partner for a while.
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Like he hasn't had a guy on the floor where if you switch this, this is going to create an issue because you think about, you know, Wiggins had his little run there where he was doing some things and they've had these, they've had, you know, they've had scores here and there like pool. They could put him in an action for that season. And he was, he was making, making lemonade.
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But I think that he has, that is like the starting point really since like Iguodala or Durant. I don't think that they've had a guy that could punish a switch as, as consistently as Jimmy does.
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Yeah. Well, I was going to say a couple of things that the the Luca trade, I guess I haven't even got to talk to you about it at all. I was at the Calipari return game, which I thought was going to be the biggest story that night. Right. And we were sitting there in the postgame presser and somebody showed me their phone. I was I was like, what? Like,
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I didn't believe it, seriously, for the rest of the night. Anyway, everybody's beating that one to death. But on jaw, he definitely is the separator for them in that sense. I do think that he's suffered a little bit from defensive officiating shifting recently. And that speaks into what's... I think that's what has made Boston and OKC really effective, too, is the fact that they just have this...
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circular chain link that really doesn't have any obvious gap in it. Because even if you are bigger than them, they're so laterally mobile and strong that they can prevent players from playing as big as they are because they move so well. Because a lob threat, one of the ways to stop a lob threat is to physically get in front of them. Don't let them jump.
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And I think that's another big thing that has really made an impression on me in terms of how to view the league is a, I think strength is we had that time where the game spread way out and, you know, offensive players ruled the day. And I think getting, being skinny was something you could get away with.
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But I think the more that they've allowed defenses to sort of exist, the more I think players like the Celtics have like your drew holidays, your lower sort of secondary body kind of guys, I think are having an impact again. Yeah.
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Wasn't the West pretty devastated that year, too? Yeah, there was some bad luck. It all blurs together. I'm trying to think back.
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Well, the league sort of ebbed and flowed between the Helio thing spiked to the moon, obviously, for a while there. And we've talked about this a lot where I think that we've kind of shifted away from that model I don't think works as well anymore. And you've seen the shift with the way Cleveland is playing this year.
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They are a really good example of a team that was maybe probably miscalibrated a little bit in the way that they were so ball screen dominant with Donovan Mitchell and I would look at that team over the past couple of years and just be like, if they would just play through their big. Now, Evan Mobley had to get better. I think that's a key part of the equation.
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But, you know, allowing those guys to move around him, I think they're a good example of the way the league has shifted lately when you look at the way they've succeeded.
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Has anybody ever won most improved and six million of the year in the same year? Wow, the double dip? How much of an argument would he have for that, do you think? Did he improve or is it that he got into a context where he's properly seen? Because I think he's improved. He's obviously worked at his game. I don't think that's ever happened, has it?
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I'm trying to think of the double dipping on the major awards. We had a rookie of the year MVP before, right? Will did that.
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For most improved?
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I think it's spun forward in the way that we thought it would. It was a class. It was a draft class, a high school. It always is driven by the high school class because we they if they could draft them, they would. But they want to use the college buffer to get a good kick the tires and see what happens when they go up, level up in the competition. You saw some shift.
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You know, I mentioned like Isaiah Collier was a guy who was ranked really high in the class. Somebody out in L.A., I assume you got to see some. And sometimes you see shifts there that happen. Like Reed Shepard obviously ascended in that year and got drafted. But overall, we knew that that class lacked a generational, foundational type of superstar. So I'm not super surprised.
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I expected that to spin forward into Summer League, which it did. Summer League was just like, you know, there's some guys here that we like. So no, overall, not terribly surprised.
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Yeah, you can make the argument you'll hear people talk about You know, how much time do they have? Imei, obviously, it's a high bar for a rookie to play. For Imei, he wants to win. That's his mentality. And you look at them and what their goals are in the short term, Reid just doesn't really fit them right now. I think the big thing is he really needs to play.
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I was surprised they brought him out of the G League so fast. I've heard some people kind of talk about the quality of the G League right now, which is a riveting conversation. Quality being bad? Yeah, that it's down right now.
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Yeah, I've been shocked by the shooting. I mean, I didn't expect him to shoot so poorly, but I don't know. You would think that if he was doing the things that he does well, that he would get to play because you keep hearing people make that argument about that. But Dillingham, too, I thought would come on a little earlier, but I think we've seen some signs that he's going to be okay.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. You know what I realized after we had finished the draft work last year? I was like, Nick Van Exel. I kept saying he just.
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Yeah. I said he was in the Nick Van Exel spiritual lineage. And I was like, that's perfect. He's the guy. Maybe you don't lean on him heavily because you could fall down and kill yourself. But, you know, here and there in spurts, he comes in and he's obviously really talented, him and Ant. I don't know if he's going to solve Minnesota's problems or anything like that. But I still believe in Rob.
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Oh, boy. Let me pull up my list here. I mean, of the... Let's see. Of the guys at the top.
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Yeah. Wow. The Durant... With Durant, the thing that always kills me is with people when they talk about him, the dribble shooting is the thing that set him apart at his size. And the difference is...
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you just don't you just don't see guys that can handle and shoot it like that but then you know later down the road we saw michael porter jr come along who obviously had a lot of i think he's more like mpj personally because mpj at the same age was very similar in that he had this gigantic mallet that was very useful in every single situation and for mpj it's continued to be useful but every single situation was a nail for him because he had this thing that
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He can just rise up over people and hit shots. And Ace has that. Now I have some, my comp that I've made is that I think that, I think that Ace is sort of like, he could be a Jane McDaniels type with the MPJ shot making. Ooh.
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he he's a weak side disruptor and i think that the defense could come a long way i think that he's still kind of learning the game like you talk about problem solving in the way we were earlier i think he's on a new frontier so it's going to be really interesting i would not lean on him to be a decision maker for me like going to the basket things like that there's not much proof that he's going to be somebody that can pass out of a situation where he gets loaded up against but you're right his shot making is crazy he's at a he's an extension pink slip guy
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On Dylan. Yeah. He fits more what we were talking about before, that sturdy lower body type. He's a big guard. He's a great finisher in the lane.
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Yeah, there's one guy that I would be fascinated for you to watch just because I want to hear your opinion on it because he has a lot of the traits you like.
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Well, Yegor Demin earlier in the year, I texted you. I was like, you got to watch this guy run ball screens. He still is fun to watch, but he slipped a little bit because of some of his scoring issues. But the other guy that I would say is Derek Queen from Maryland. I think you should watch because... He is a very, very... Has crazy hand-eye coordination for his size.
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He's a really smart, handsy defender. He can pass the ball. But he has this kind of slow-mo... I said he has some sort of... This is a dangerous one. I hesitate to say this, but he has some kind of DL kind of qualities to him where where he's a little he's a little laissez faire. And that every once in a while he'll he's 6'10".
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He'll just drive baseline and rifle a left handed pass through a tight window to somebody on the money. And he's he's somebody really fascinating that I'm curious to hear your take on when you get to watch him.
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They have a guy on their team that I think you would like named Seon James who is built like Drew. He's a big... And when they moved him into the starting lineup, they played Auburn, who has been sort of the favorite for the year. They played Auburn at home, and they moved him into the starting lineup, and their season just changed. He's a smart player. He can guard multiple positions.
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So he's somebody that I expect to be pretty instrumental to whether or not they win. LeBaron Filan is another one, too, that I would throw out that I really, really like a lot for... for Alabama. But, uh, yeah, I could, I'll, I'll, I'll wait until you circle around and we can, yeah, I'm just starting.
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Yeah. I remember when I was making that Indiana travel video last year, I think I was texting you about, I was going back and watching some of the Indiana state footage and I was just thinking bird absolutely would have translated to today. Yeah. No problem. Just because of the space, you can talk about spatial intelligence. Um, I mean, over the, over the decades, um,
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I think Ainge is a pretty fascinating player. When he was younger, just seeing the way that he was able to, just obviously a really smart player. Dennis Johnson, I'm a big fan of. I think in the era of ball pressure, he would have translated. I'm trying to think of this. How about McHale?
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I he's somebody that I think would probably this kind of reminds me of our conversation. We were like creating the all time fun team. He's somebody that I think would have probably been the fulcrum of a like big guy driven offense with movement around him.
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Yeah, because if you had the right guards around him, he was such a dominant one-on-one player. He would have been pretty... Shingun is an interesting... Where would you compare McHale and Shingun as passers, though, I think?
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Yeah, and they've gotten... Well, we knew this in the past few years was for the player type that Cade was and where he was in his growth, they tweaked some things to help him out. I kept calling it the crowded elevator. Cade was just like, there are just too many people on the elevator. Can you please get off? The other one I was going to...
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In making this documentary, did you feel any kind of burden? I'm not trying to interview you here, but did you feel any kind of burden to represent somebody that was maybe not properly represented in the younger generation? Because I think of like a Havlicek, if you look at his stat lines, so balanced throughout.
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Was there anybody that you felt like a burden to be like, we really should focus on this guy to bring out, you know, to shine a light on his legacy?
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Yeah, the context is just so infuriating whenever you hear people talk about the history of the league. Talking about Koozie, people just drive me nuts because they'll go back and use the lens of today and watch the way he's dribbling. The officiating of dribbling is one of the things that single-handedly changed the way the game is played. It just blew the walls down.
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You're talking about the carrying. Yeah, they they used to. It was so strict. Your hand had to be directly on the top of the ball. And, you know, I made a video at this one time. You just watched over the decades. The hand the hand went from the top to kind of on the side to totally on the side to under. Now it's. Yeah. And I think it's been a good thing.
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I think it promoted self-expression, which is what the league marketed itself on and exploded. But I just think.
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koozie is one that is funny to watch if you imagine a game where you had to dribble the way that he did it was pretty creative granted the league wasn't i don't know integrated or anything like that definitely was that well you had so you had you the dribbling thing you had the sneakers the fact that they're playing and you know just these rinky-dink converses and uh
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So I've heard old guys complain about that.
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Yeah, it's interesting. I was watching some games. I think I was trying to watch something for Jerry West one time, and I was just amazed at the way he and Oscar Robertson would... A, I was amazed at the pickup point. I think that is something that has really evolved now with the threat of the deep three-point shot. Teams just pick up way higher than they did in the past. Oh, yeah, you're right.
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You'd watch legitimate stars with the ball, like a Jerry West, who today, if Jerry West dribbled up the floor, he would be a threat from... I would say 28 and in, I mean, like, yeah, like legitimately would take those shots and you would watch him dribble literally to the, to the elbow before he gets contact and he'd pull up for that jumper.
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And I wonder if some of that is what you're talking about. Just the clogged lane so many times that that shot was just available. I mean, Oscar Robertson did that, did that a lot too, but I think the pickup point is something that has really, really changed over the decades.
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I think they're in they are on the path toward that young teams need to be on, which we've talked about in the past. Whenever you have a young team, you have a coach. You have sort of your startup CEO who comes in and is just trying to make everybody feel good. And then you're like, all right, we're going public. We need a real CEO. And you go get a person. And I think they did that.
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So I think we're in the phase of they're going to be entering the playoffs. And then you it's sort of like Orlando did. You get you into the playoffs. you get the data read back on that and you say, this is because the playoffs define everything. You, you always talk about fourth quarters in the playoffs and it's like those things come back and this is, this is what we saw. This is what happened.
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This is the map towards what we need to do. So that's kind of, that's where they are in the process right now for me. So we're going to see what, what kind of the way teams play them. And then that's going to inform the moves that they make. Yeah. So they're on the, they're on the path to Detroit fans. They seem to hate, think I hate Kate. I don't really understand that, but yeah. So, but yeah,
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They're on the right track.
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Yeah, they're in that position where they may not beat the Knicks, but they're in the position to really take a bite out of them as they enter the next round, which is, they're definitely not going to be a pushover. And I think you're right about, they had the guys that were athletic, you know, Asar and Jalen Duren. Durin is somebody that I was really high on.
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I couldn't believe the way he got stolen in that draft. He was somebody that very obviously fit the archetype of somebody that could switch, and he's just super athletic. So sort of a poor man's band type of archetype guy. And in the shooting, a lot of the times, that's the simplest answer. You got a downhill guy, just add some space around him.
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It seems like it's not rocket science, but Pistons finally did it. I mean...
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Likewise. Good to be here.
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That was what tipped the scales. You couldn't do it anymore.
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Well, first I was going to add, you were talking about Jim Boeheim. Whenever I watch broadcasts that he's on, he always kind of sounds to me like an uncle who just ate Thanksgiving dinner, and he's just kind of leaned back and making groggy comments about the game. He just makes me laugh throughout the games. I'm glad he's on there, though. He's good.
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Yeah, well, I mean, you're talking about your preferences and players and things. I mean, what you're describing is winning. I mean, who doesn't like to win? I know you like to win, Bill. I do. I do, too. You know, so and I think you talk about the difference between generational and unique. I think what sets Cooper apart is, you know, we have seen I'll say the buzz buzzword toolsy guys.
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We've seen guys who check a lot of boxes in our two way players. But I think Cooper, who does check those boxes, and we can talk about him more in detail, something that is unique about him is that I think that he has those things that you don't normally see in an 18-year-old. He's carrying one of the heaviest loads in college basketball. I had it pulled up here. His usage this year is 30.5%.
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Yeah, and his assist usage is 0.83, but he's also averaging almost 20 points per game. So you're just kind of like, how is that? So that just tells you that he's watering a lot of plants and he's watering his own plants. He's doing everything for them and still being really efficient at it. But the thing that sets him apart, I think, with that wide foundation is that
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And I wrote about this on The Ringer not long ago in a profile I did on him. I'm getting coopered out because I've talked about him so much pre and mid-college. But he has the potential to evolve, I think, into a heavy load carrying superstar at the next level. I think some things need to happen for that to pan out for him. But I think that's what makes him unique. And you're right.
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I think he could go on to any team and he could be like a... like a Scottie Pippen type to a superstar, which I think is the most likely scenario for him. But I totally wouldn't rule out him becoming somebody that does who you just depend on as your hub for everything. Cause he's, he's, he could evolve in so many different ways.
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I think he's six, eight. Yeah. Okay, maybe he grew.
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Yeah, it's really, I mean, it's really, really well-rounded. You mentioned, I mean, the bird thing is funny just because Cooper, I think, as you know, grew up with a heavy Boston connection. Well, that's the thing.
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Have you ever heard clips of his mom talk?
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Yeah, yeah, those old portable DVD players. It's funny because, yeah, he has this heavy kind of Boston connection, and I'm sure you would rather be good now than be bad and try to get flagged. It's probably a worthy trade. But, I mean, he... If you want to compare him to Tatum, I think they have body kind of differences that are really affecting the way that they play.
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Tatum came into the league, I think, as more of a guy who leaned towards being a shot creator. I think he has a lower center of gravity and he's a little bit more of a wiggly athlete. He has really big, broad shoulders and got downhill a lot and things like that. Cooper... Cooper, I think, is not quite the wiggly ball handler that Tatum was at the same age.
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But I think the thing that is so promising is when you watch him and you watched him at like Montverde and you watched him when he was growing up. A, he's like he played as a big guy who would kind of be in the middle of the floor and would make those decisions that you and I have talked about on this show before.
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