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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and what is the podcast about?
Welcome to the Ringerverse. Okay. This is, of course, the Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. We are Steve, the architect almond, the builder and tigger of things. Jomie, the explainer at dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. Old man Van, he's the resurgent hairline. No cowboy hat. Yeah, no cowboy hat. You're feeling confident today. Yeah, it's out there.
We're done with it. It's over. The cowboy hat will be back, but I just had to show it off today. I gave it to CNN and people were like, why don't you give it to the Ringer? Colt, baby Chuck, the 24-karat closer. Bozeman, the dog. Wait, Bozeman don't have a nickname? I don't know. Bozily Wozily the Wonderpup? Oh, look, he likes it.
Well, he is officially the fifth Midnight Boy, according to Chuck, and nobody else.
Sixth Midnight Boy. No, you said, no, you made the declaration. Oh, my gosh. Together we are the Midnight Boys.
The Midnight Collective is back there. Arjuna, Alea S.O.B. Zanaris, Jonathan, Spit Hot Fire, Kerma. You got to follow us on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok, Jummy.
A lot of fun stuff coming this month, Last of Us, and or obviously, tap in. Well, you know what? Uh-oh. Social's been going crazy, bro.
Hey, man, we do what we can. Social media is just a powder keg. I saw someone, I saw a woman at you when I was driving. I was like, damn, what did he do on this episode of Ireland? Oh, no, we were talking about... We were talking about whether or not it's okay to comment on how good Ciara looks.
Because what I said was, Ciara looks good, and I'm glad that Russell Wilson is continuing to play football. Because if he was at home, he would just get her pregnant again.
Okay, I think I see where people could be upset with this.
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Chapter 2: What are the upcoming shows and content on The Ringerverse?
It's going to be a lot.
We got a lot of people talking about it.
Two so far. There might be one on Prestige TV. So three. Last of Us. This is a big season of television. It's the it girl. Yeah, for sure right now. Honestly, HBO's cooking. White Lotus, Last of Us. We got Game of Thrones coming soon.
They got their IP going strong. House of R will be giving you their Last of Us deep dives as well. I think there's going to be a lot there. Yeah. I think there's going to be a lot there. House of R does really well with the deep dives, and when the show has deep, deep deep, deep lore is when I feel like it's the best. And there's going to be a lot there for the last of us.
Over or under six hour pod for Andor, though? I want to see him touch six hours.
You think so? I want to see him touch six hours. I mean, I'm taking the under confidently, but it's going to be like four hours. I think it's going to be three plus hours, maybe four.
If you were to ever see something north of four hours, that makes it a two-part pod, I think. I don't think that we want to put something out there that's like... Unless I'm wrong, if people want four hours... I mean, you're talking shop, really?
But I think we're going to put literally three and a half hours on three-hour pods. What podcast are you guys on?
But Mint Edition comes back on Friday as well. Mint Boys. What are they doing? What are you guys doing?
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Chapter 3: What is the Midnight Manifest summary of 'Andor' Season 2 Episodes 1-3?
Oh, man, there's a lot coming out this month. There could be that video game adaptation of Until Dawn. We could be taking a look at. What the fuck is that? It's that PlayStation movie. What?
Yeah. What are y'all talking about?
They adapted a video game that was like a horror slasher thriller into a movie with Peter Stormare. Okay. We might be taking a look at that.
All right, sweet. Peter Stormare. One of the best on-screen portrayals of Lucifer ever.
I love it. From Constantine. Constantine. Legendary movie.
Overhated movie. Overhated. It's a great movie.
I've never seen the... Are you talking about the Keanu one?
Yeah. Keanu Reeves. Oh, that movie's great. We should do a whole series here called Overhated. Constantine, I don't think people were really ready for it when it came out. Overhated movie. All I'm saying is it's really good. Constantine? To me, it's good.
Constantine's great.
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Chapter 4: How is Cassian Andor portrayed in the first three episodes of Season 2?
There's good parts in the movie. No, I know, but... There's good parts in the movie, just not... Yeah, they just did...
that movie would be at least 10% better to me had they not done like the juggernaut type of stuff.
The juggernaut's tough.
Yeah. It's just like, they fuck over the shit and they, they spit in the faces of the fans, but it's like, it's also the Phoenix aspect of,
Tough.
Haven't done it right. Tough. Last question. Do you think there's any chance that MCU touches the Phoenix? Or is it just kind of like, we are never going to? You know, it's not easy to do.
It isn't. But they have to get it right.
But it's not easy to do. It's hard to do. If you've read the original Dark Phoenix, it has a lot of that, like, Guardians of the Galaxy... They go off planet. There's aliens. I think that they could do it. You just need to kind of have that goofy. You have to be willing to do the goofy sci-fi.
It's really hard because I think we could all remember when we finished X2 and we saw the shadow of the phoenix in that lake, how excited we were for what that could mean. And then it was just absolutely not.
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Chapter 5: What does the rebellion's current state look like in 'Andor' Season 2?
And
And even to the point to where when he saves the day at the end, he comes back as sort of the anti-Jedi, the person that doesn't have the force, but is there to save the day just based on guile and his understanding of how to maneuver in and out of bad situations. I, at first, was getting annoyed with him with the slap dicks from my side.
I was getting annoyed.
However, it was incredibly important, not just to build to the last moment where Cassian comes in to save the day, but also to show you that he is in a position where he is so deadly focused that there are not many circumstances you can put him in.
Wait, can I ask this really quick? There was a reading of these episodes where I'm like, even when Cassian's talking to the woman in the beginning, where there was almost like a sinister edge to it. Because when the other Imperial officer comes, you see this look on Cassian's face like, am I going to have to kill someone?
Am I going to have to kill someone?
And then I'm like, he doesn't take that woman seriously. And I'm just like, the chances of her getting caught are actually quite high.
Well, she negotiated it with him. She said, he actually said, he says, give me a 12-minute head start. And then he says, is that enough?
Yeah.
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Chapter 6: How are Mon Mothma's personal and political struggles depicted in these episodes?
Yeah.
I hate dangerous idiots. Wherever you go, just like dangerous idiots. But I will say that to finish off like kind of where Cassian is, there are two things that got me. Number one, when we first see him and then when we last see him. Okay. I'm always fascinated, and I wonder whether or not Gilroy knows what he's doing with Star Wars lore when he's doing it.
As soon as Cassian got into the TIE fighter, I thought about... I'm always going backwards. I'm sorry, guys. I thought about Anakin Skywalker getting into the ship in Phantom Menace. Okay. Anakin, he shoots a couple of times, and then he flies the ship and becomes, like, the hero right away.
Yeah.
Because there's something innate inside of him that makes him just more talented than everybody else. We watch Cassian... Humble around and fuck around with that shit. Shooting the fucking people up. He's going backwards. He's going forward. By the way, that ship is incredibly durable. It didn't blow up inside of the thing and then they were shooting that bitch. It was a very durable ship, right?
And then when he flies out, he crashes it Again, and we watch his learning curve, learning how to fly it, and it makes the chase more exhilarating because there's a chance that he can crash. Yeah. I thought... Which changes the calculus. When you know that there's a chance, you know that Cassian Andor is going to survive that, but there's a chance that he can crash.
And just that little hint of stakes just completely changes the scene.
I thought the judge position... But the beginning of the episode, with him talking to her about what it means to be rebellion, being so confident, being so prepared, like, yo, you got this. Don't worry. Don't let your fear control you. Fear is what gives you power over them, right? Boom. Then he gets in the plane, looks like a complete idiot. He hasn't quite figured it out yet.
He's got some things down, right? But he quite hasn't got the spy escaping part of it figured out. I thought that was like a little fun juxtaposition. He's not quite the Andor that we know in Rogue One just quite yet.
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Chapter 7: What are the key character dynamics and relationships in 'Andor' Season 2?
Not only being a perfect example of like the kind of laissez-faire mentality of what the Empire is, is to the planets that it occupies, that it just kind of passively glances at it, takes interest to it, and thinks about taking something. Applying that to a third episode of a person that is only concerned about finishing an objective.
And then all of the things that mean something to him are taken away more and more and more and now all he has is an objective. I keep thinking about the last time that we see Cassian in Rogue One and the straight line that is... excuse me, is clearly being drawn from all of that mentality that's currently happening to him. It's a brilliant way to still propel this.
To know that at the end of these three episodes, we're probably going to time jump another year, two, to something else.
He said that they're jumping how many years in between each three episode, Chuck?
A year.
Chuck, do you think that if it was worth hiding from the Empire, you could be like a, you'd farm the grain? Would you be – how – the Phoenix crew is farming the grain. What's life like as a grain farmer?
Here's the thing. I hate to be this person, but – No, you don't. No, you don't. I already know what you're saying. I'll go for my nigga Will because I'm just like, hey, yo, the farm girl coming to, like, give me some water. You know what I'm saying? We doing googly eyes at each other. I'm the nigga who's like fucking up the whole shit for everybody. I'm like, damn. Where Will at?
Where's Will at?
You will not see him again. I knew. I knew immediately. What's that farm girl? Like, Biggs was like, hey, yo, your girl's here. I'm just like, he about to fuck it up for everybody.
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Chapter 8: How is the Empire's strategy and threat portrayed in the new episodes?
It's giving enemies to lovers. Well, here's the thing. Cinta also, in the third episode, like, Cinta knows she a bad bitch because she looks back like, hey, what do you want me to do? I'll see you later. She was like, if Cinta wanted to be here, she'd be here.
Well, remember, Cinta's whole thing is the mission comes first. Right? I do like you. It's cool. But I got a job to do. And I'm just going to take president over everything. Also, if she wanted to, she would. Kind of a mentality.
At least Cinta gave it a look, though. Because I thought that Santo was just going to play it straight up with Tay. Like, deuces. Yeah, he's like, all right. Speaking of that, Tay. You know who Tay is? OK, who's Tay? Tay is Maury from Goodfellas.
OK.
Overplaying his hand. Tay is Maury from Goodfellas. The whole time I was watching. So Maury, if you guys haven't seen Goodfellas before, Maury is a wit guy who helped them scout out the LaTanza Heights, right? And he's asking for his money from Jimmy.
And the whole time he's asking for his money from Jimmy, Jimmy the Gimp played by Robert De Niro, you're watching a movie and you're thinking, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Jimmy is a fucking thug, and he sees mission accomplishment in his future, and you are going to get yourself killed by bothering this guy about money. Wait until the money comes. Shut the fuck up.
And the entire time that Tay is talking, he's talking about money. He's getting drunk. He's doing the same thing that Maury was doing. He's talking to Scolding a lot. Talking to Scolding a lot. He's doing the same thing. He's dropping little hints that he needs a meeting, that there could be dissension, that he might go to somebody else. I'm like, he's dead.
Yeah.
He must die.
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