Chuck Bozeman
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Can I ask this? Was the purpose of these first three episodes to kind of show how strained the rebellion is? Because I get the sense, like, even Luthien, how much he's just like, yo, have you heard from Cassian? Have you heard from Cassian? It seems like they don't have that many people who are that good at this. Because I got the sense that when he crash lands...
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They kill Porco, but he realizes, oh, we've been assisting you. Like, we're both from different parts of the rebellion. You're just from a strand that is like the idiots.
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Mon looks at Luthen when he arrives, like, damn.
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Well, the heartbreaking thing is like over these three episodes, Cassian, it was feeling like he has this like haunt. He's starting to have this Han Solo heroic swagger to him. And I'm just like, oh, this is all going to get destroyed by the end. We know what happens in Rogue One.
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And it's like we already see the first domino fall when Brasso dies where I'm just like, oh, it doesn't matter how good Cassian is at this job. You can't save anyone, everyone.
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And I think that this episode did such a good job of like Cassian comes back looking so cool, but you could already see like just the weight of the rebellion, the weight of him being so good at this is starting like to chip away, chip away at him.
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It's going to be a lot.
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Two so far. There might be one on Prestige TV. So three. Last of Us. This is a big season of television. It's the it girl. Yeah, for sure right now. Honestly, HBO's cooking. White Lotus, Last of Us. We got Game of Thrones coming soon.
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He said that they're jumping how many years in between each three episode, Chuck?
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Here's the thing. I hate to be this person, but – No, you don't. No, you don't. I already know what you're saying. I'll go for my nigga Will because I'm just like, hey, yo, the farm girl coming to, like, give me some water. You know what I'm saying? We doing googly eyes at each other. I'm the nigga who's like fucking up the whole shit for everybody. I'm like, damn. Where Will at?
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You will not see him again. I knew. I knew immediately. What's that farm girl? Like, Biggs was like, hey, yo, your girl's here. I'm just like, he about to fuck it up for everybody.
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Here's the thing. I literally want to cry every single time I see B2Emo because he's so anxious. And it's like they're treating him like a little anxious puppy. But they're like, don't tell him. Don't tell him.
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And literally on a planet where they can't basically communicate with anyone. So Luthen is going insane.
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She's just like, yo. I need to get out of here.
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So she's... Is there a love triangle between... Who are the three love triangles?
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It's giving enemies to lovers. Well, here's the thing. Cinta also, in the third episode, like, Cinta knows she a bad bitch because she looks back like, hey, what do you want me to do? I'll see you later. She was like, if Cinta wanted to be here, she'd be here.
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Over or under six hour pod for Andor, though? I want to see him touch six hours.
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I thought he was like... Eva Mond's husband was just like... Hey, get your mask.
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Well, I think even with Mon Mothma, I think the point of the wedding was also to show That she doesn't have the heart for this yet. Where she's not the Mon Mothma we know. Where she's trying to have her cake and eat it too. Where she knows that she's arranging a political marriage for her daughter. And that's the right thing for the rebellion.
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That's the right thing just in terms of what she needs to get done. And she can't do it. She breaks down. She's like, hey, yo, you don't have to get married. And her daughter's like, are you fucking crazy?
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I wish she were drunk. It was crazy. That was so sad. And same thing with Luthen. Luthen is just like, You know what we're going to have to do with Tay. And she's not ready to pull the trigger yet. And I'm like, oh, you're not ruthless enough to lead the rebellion.
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I don't know. I mean, she's getting her hands dirty. Here's the thing. The fact that she knows... I mean, she's already getting her hands dirty. The fact she knows Tay's going to get killed is like... That's why she gets drunk because she's just like... She's not stopping it. She knows what's going to happen. That was listening to Martin Garrix in there just throwing back drinks out of glass.
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I was going to say, there were a couple... You know, every season of TV has some kinks to work out. And I was just like, dog... Why they playing fucking Skrillex? That's a tough one.
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There was something also that her husband was saying to the other father where he was kind of like, does your son even know what he's getting into in terms of the type of women that this family has, which is just like, I think that was a scene where he was talking about Mon Mothma where she's a leader. Not only does she wear the pants, but she's ruthless.
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And I don't think Mon Mothma always wants to admit it, but I'm like, oh, you're a killer. Like you, there's a reason that you're going to be the face and lead this rebellion. But to your point, there's that symbolic moment where she's dancing, where I'm like, oh, you're warring. You want to be the senator. You want to be this person who's fighting for the greater good.
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But you don't want to get your hands dirty. You want everybody to be safe. And I'm like, you can't have it both ways.
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There's Christina Hendricks. Yeah, she thick.
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There's a connection between redheads and thickness. She wasn't even a redhead though, but in the beginning, like homegirl who was like going to the tie fighter, I was like, I was like, damn. I like her too. I like her.
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I was like, I was just like, That can't be a white woman.
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Let's get back to it. The Midnight Boys is never going to get to the place we need to get to unless y'all open it. Guys. Let's just get back to the pod.
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We were talking about how the rebellion is in disarray. But Krennic, Deidre, everything that's going on in that planet when they're talking about Gorman, is the Empire doing that well? I think so. I think so. No, because if you think about it, I think the Empire, even though they're becoming more powerful, they have to go to an outer rim planet to get green. You know what I'm saying?
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Like, Krennic is like, we need this Kalkite so bad.
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I've never seen the... Are you talking about the Keanu one?
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Well, here's the thing. That whole part, I was just like, I was like, this is goofy as fuck. Because I was like, I'm like, are you guys just pitching like the Galaxy's Andrew Tate to like get on? It's kind of, you know what I mean?
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But here's the thing. What I thought was brilliant about this, I was like, damn, those two guys, this whole thing is goofy as hell. Then Deidre rolls up on credit and is just like, Ayo, that player you got, fuck all that shit. We actually need to sow dissension.
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We need to get some people in the rebels who are going to be able to do what we need to do when it's time on Gorman, which is why I think Deidre is there because she's been disgraced after everything that happened on Phoenix. But I think what Krennic realizes in her is that whatever happens on Gorman, he needs people who are willing to do what needs to be done, which is Essentially a mask.
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They're basically saying, we need somebody who is going to turn an eye when we kill everybody on this planet.
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It's good. Overhated because we already got to do Eternals, potentially. Eternals is overhated. Eternals is overrated, man.
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Would you let your girl talk to your mom like that?
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But also Cyril. Cyril being like, having to talk to the newer crew. Yeah, I came up, I was supposed to book. He's like, yo, I used to sit over there and the guy was like, oh, don't, don't, keep looking at me. I was tired.
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I could tell that that was by episode two, obviously you can kind of tell that that's where it was going. And I think what made me nervous initially is I think that the history of Hollywood and especially just, I think it is an easy, cheap, disgusting code that a lot of writers and a lot of male writers do, which is like, how do I put a female character in the most peril? Well, rape.
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Yeah, of course. But what I think Tony... and company managed to do that I thought was really powerful is that, A, to your point, they're showing for the first time. And I think it is when Bix essentially tells the other Imperial guy, he's like, you killed him. He's like, he tried to rape me.
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I think a lot of the Fox X-Men movies, now that we know the Fox X-Men are coming back at Doomsday, I'm just like a little overhated. X-Men The Last Stand, overhated?
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Is that, no, the Empire, if we are going to make a show, a mature show about war, we have to show just how evil... how evil totalitarianism is. And it's like, they're not just pillaging, they're raping. Like, this is all one nasty giant thing. And I think what they managed to do was fix the entire time. She has PTSD and she's like, where's Cassian? Where's Cassian? Where's Cassian?
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But Cassian doesn't really save her. She takes matters into her own hands.
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Because you're like, oh, and it's this arc where I think a lot of lesser shows wouldn't have picked up on yo, Bix was just tortured a year ago. She's still fighting that inner battle. By the end of episode three, she's not better, but she is at a point where it's like, oh, she's a leader. She's telling Will, you didn't clean this.
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She's like, she's telling other people like, why are we doing this like that? She's looking up at the ship, knowing how dangerous the empire is. And I think that the team, like I got very nervous, but I was like, okay, like I think that this was purposeful. And if you're going to tell a story about a fictional war,
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There's good parts in the movie. No, I know, but... There's good parts in the movie, just not... Yeah, they just did...
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I was going to say what I think the three episodes actually do really, really well is that the three main storylines that have to do with women are they're all making a very similar choice, where it's like you have Mon Mothma, who not only has to make a choice of, am I going to let this guy...
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The juggernaut's tough.
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basically loot and kill this guy but also I'm marrying my daughter off for a political marriage that I know is a sham you have Deidre who as we were talking about is like if I accept this job I'm going to be one of the figureheads that's responsible for killing 800,000 people and then you have Bix who while she's definitely not part of the empire no stretch of the imagination like she's not she's not necessarily a rebel you know what I mean and she has to make this choice of
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When push comes to shove, am I going to kill an Imperial officer not only to protect myself, but to protect my family? And I was just like, oh, that is actually how you do this. Where I think Star Wars for a long time just did not have a lot of great women character at the forefront.
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And to have three women character in this that are all making a similar decision and all go about it in different ways. I was just like, oh, that's phenomenal writing. So... Everybody pick a nit. I'll go first. Okay.
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Wait, before we do that. What? Really quick. Let's go to an ad break. And when we turn, when we come back, Vanna's going to walk us through maybe some nitpicks that we had with the first three episodes.
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Haven't done it right. Tough. Last question. Do you think there's any chance that MCU touches the Phoenix? Or is it just kind of like, we are never going to? You know, it's not easy to do.
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Was it almost a different show? To your point, when I was watching that, not only was I annoyed, it felt...
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But it's not easy to do. It's hard to do. If you've read the original Dark Phoenix, it has a lot of that, like, Guardians of the Galaxy... They go off planet. There's aliens. I think that they could do it. You just need to kind of have that goofy. You have to be willing to do the goofy sci-fi.
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But even think about how Tony Gilroy is playing with our expectations because it's a joke in The Mandalorian that the Stormtroopers always miss. So we're conditioned to think that Brasso gets away. So when we realize like, oh, one of the Blasters actually got him, we're literally not used to that in Star Wars.
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My nitpick is just... The Mon Mothma dance seems kind of corny. White women in movies always do that shit.
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Because Henry Williams is a rare white girl who got a little soul when she kind of, like, she got a little bit in the voice. I like Kelly Clarkson as, like, just a white woman. Because here's the thing. Just since you've been gone, sometimes I just be crying in the car.
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Katie Perry. Oh, but here's the thing. Are we going to be honest? Katie Perry's peak is one of the highest peaks. Oh, it's so bad. But the fall off is bad.
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So we're not even probably going to know what happens after the TIE fighter. It's just going to be the next year.
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Wait, when is the Gorman Massacre?
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And we are in 4 BBY. So that means that the Gorman Massacre is happening in the middle of the season then? Or near the tail end? No, no, no.
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Are Bix and Cassian together? Because there was one line where essentially, like, Brasso's like... Somebody's like, yo, Cassian is going to want to know that she's having nightmares again. And it seems like maybe they're not a couple, but it seems like they have... Their closeness is now... They had nightmares.
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I got to ask you. My one question is... I think all of us were a little bit like, Oh, they're releasing three episodes at once. Shit. Like we're not really going to, that's a lot of TV. We're not going to really get to marinate with whatever. Um, I honestly think the three episodes were, like, dropping them all off. That was a quick watch, honestly.
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I was also like, I was, I did the lean in meme before. The first episode, once he gets into the TIE fighter and they start fighting and shit, and he's trying to maneuver his way out, I was like, oh shit, this is about to be a movie.
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And I think what I liked with the three episodes, I'm like, oh, it gives you that feeling of I'm watching just a 90-minute, two-hour movie, and I'm going to get another one where I feel like if I'm going back to the first season of Andor, sometimes... Like, let's be honest. The second episode we watched was probably the weakest of the batch.
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But because we had the third one right after it, it didn't eat you.
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Do you guys think that you need a star Wars PhD to, For these first three episodes.
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But there was a moment in this where I was like, God damn, the lore on this is... I don't know.
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I'm not saying that this was a bad thing. It was almost something where I think... For example, Daredevil season has been up and down, but we've enjoyed some parts of it, other parts not as much. And I was like, oh, I think the thing that I've been missing from a lot of this stuff is the specificity. Where it's like, you don't have to show us the fucking propaganda spider shit.
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It doesn't really matter. Yeah. You kind of have to.
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there's a lot of directors and TV writers who might write the spider propaganda scene and be like, yo, this, this is too long. We have to take it out. And instead what Gilroy and company do is just like, no, like this is going to seem goofy. This is going to, but like, it's going to teach you about the empire. It's going to teach you about the way Deidre strategically things.
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It's going to be, we learn in that moment, like Krennic is like, he's even like, all right, That's enough guys. Where it's like, even he in that moment is smart enough to realize we need this propaganda arm, but I'm searching for something. And some, the smartest person in this room is going to be the one that's able to tell me this isn't enough.
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And I'm like, Oh, I was happy by the end of that storyline in that scene. Cause I'm like, okay, I understand so much about where we are after a year and where we're going. And I feel like so much of nerd content is afraid that that shit is going to scare us off.
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Like being patient with that, building that world, really just being patient, being like, let's think about every single aspect of how this world works. So when it implodes... You feel something.
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But to be fair, Tony Gilroy has told the press, he's like, don't get it twisted. Baby Yoda paid for it this way. You know what I'm saying?
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The prequels are like C-Span and this is like The Wire. He's cooking right now. He's true. It's a good point. The whole council scene reminded me of that, of the meeting in The Wire where like Stringer Bell turns and somebody's like, yo, are you taking notes?
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If you notice, like, Franek is like, yo. You guys, your bosses will know about this when they need to know about this. This isn't on your calendars. No notes. No notes or whatever. And what I realized in that moment is I'm just like, oh, we're used to an empire that's already built the Death Star and already killed the planet. Yeah.
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We're learning where they're just like, yo, this is a meeting about committing some war crimes. A dude is like, hey, isn't there a better way to do this? Why don't we just kind of like...
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introduce like a pandemic or some type of virus they're like hey we already gamed it out this is the only way to do it and I was like I was so interested because I'm like oh the empire is still operating like we just can't kill 800,000 people they still need to seem somewhat
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Maybe they haven't been introduced yet. Who do you think that Deidre is going to try to basically seed on Gorman? Like, who do you think she's going to try to get into the Rebels? Uh...
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But she cares about him.
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I think Deidre actually needs Cyril as much as Cyril needs Deidre because I'm like, what I noticed in this, I'm like, oh, Deidre, like, she's looking for, like, acceptance and she's looking for love and she's, like, looking for this thing because I think she's starting to have doubts about the Empire, not in terms of, like, oh, she wants to become a rebel, but doubts in terms of, like,
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Do you think Deidre was scared after what happened on... What's the name of the film? Ferris. Ferris. Do you think that that was a moment where she was just like... She actually was boots on the ground, got to kind of see... Yeah. Like, oh, this is what it means... To kill this many people. And, like, basically, the Empire's just like, you fucked it up.
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I mean, also, to be clear, because the fans will probably yell at us, I think also, the thing is, I don't think she's standing on any moral ground. I think to her, she's like, Axis, Axis is the thing that I actually want. And her boss is like, hey, yo, you haven't found Luthien yet. You haven't found this rebel cell yet.
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Andor is back. The jizz music is slick. And I like... I'm not. Please finish that thought.
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all right this is your midnight manifest for andor season two all three of these first episodes directed by ariel clyman and written by tony gilroy we're switching it up this time i'm not going episode by episode i'm going by character arc so cassian we start one year later bby4 at an imperial outpost cassian now a seasoned rebellion vet steals an advanced imperial ship from an outpost with the help of a nervous new defector cassian is successful in his heist until he's captured by a rebellion splinter cell that crash landed on a planet
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I like my redheads like I like my milk.
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and need his help to escape the world as Cassian is the only person who knows how to fly this TIE fighter. This cell also killed Porco, the man he was supposed to pass the ship along to. Cassian watches and often nudges the splintered cell until they devolve into mutiny and he can escape. Next, we have the Empire.
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At the Malthean Divide, Orson Krennic calls the Top Secret Council together to plan a wide-scale invasion of Gormin, The Empire needs to strip the planet of Kalkite, a substance they desperately need to coat their reactors. Unfortunately, this process will also render the planet uninhabitable, and how does our girl Deidra prove her mettle to her new boss?
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Well, she proposes the Empire infiltrate the Rebellion Network on the planet and sow dissension. After a hard day's work, Deidra goes back to her new hubby, Cyril, and at an awkward dinner, Deidra muscles Cyril's mom and says, there's a new head bitch in town, and only one of them can have cards and nuts in her hands. Mon Mothman Marriage Next, shit is not going great for Mon Mothma.
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Her daughter is on the eve of an arranged marriage to Davo Scaldin's son, which she knows is bound to be loveless, just like her marriage. Tay Colma is pressuring Bond for some credits, or he's about to rat, and Luthen is hovering over his collaborator's shoulder, letting her know, Tay gotta get the fuck up out of here, and by the third episode...
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We get the return of my girl, Cinta, who is going to murk Tay and get him out of the paint. Last but certainly not least, Brasso, Bix, Will, and B2Emo have started a new life on an outer rim planet, Mina Rao. Their peace is quickly interrupted when an Imperial ship arrives to conduct a census.
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Bix struggles with PTSD from her time being tortured by the Empire in Season 1, while Brasso works with a local grain farmer to try and avoid the harvest. Brasso ends up losing his life as he is betrayed by the farmer. Bix fends off fends off a rapist imperial officer as she tries to escape the planet. And as all hope seems lost, Cassian arrives to help Vix and will escape.
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That has been your Midnight Manifest for the first three episodes. How did I do?
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So, Van, let's cut to the chase. And or season one, I think we have gone through it being properly rated, potentially being a little overrated. And maybe with season two, I'm back to being like, this is the shit. So how are you feeling with and or season two being back in these first three episodes?
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So do we want to start? Let's start with Cassian because I think what these three episodes do brilliantly is that we see a different version of Cassian, even though it's only a year later. I think the first season was about him becoming radicalized and fully joining the rebellion. And this season is him being a seasoned vet
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And what you see over the course of these three episodes, the defector that he's talking to, she's nervous. She doesn't know this is her first time and her first big mission. He's calming her down. But also when he crash lands on the planet, he's like, hey, yo, y'all want to get some water? It's not going to rain forever. I think you need a perimeter. Tony Gilroy is doing such a good job.
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in a very short amount of time, basically showing us that this is a different Cassian, that he knows how to maneuver as a spy in this, that he's becoming a leader. And I thought that it was handled just like deathly. What did you think of kind of Cassian's return?
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When he's giving her the speech, I'm like, oh, right.
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Wait, can I ask this really quick? There was a reading of these episodes where I'm like, even when Cassian's talking to the woman in the beginning, where there was almost like a sinister edge to it. Because when the other Imperial officer comes, you see this look on Cassian's face like, am I going to have to kill someone?
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And then I'm like, he doesn't take that woman seriously. And I'm just like, the chances of her getting caught are actually quite high.
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No, it's there. But even when he's, like, with the slapdicks on the planet, you can see how he's, like, slowly, like, sowing chaos. To your point, I was a little annoyed. I'm like, dog, this is almost a different TV show. It's very comical. But the way, like, Cassian's talking to them and being like, hey, yo. You need water. This is raining. You got to.
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But even before, like, the guy who has the gun on him, the big dude, he's like, hey. You know what he realizes about them, though?
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But he was like, y'all should set a perimeter. And then one of the dudes was like, oh, yeah, I was thinking about that already. Right.