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PDB Situation Report | May 24th, 2025: U.S. Intel: Israeli Strike Incoming & Trump Reveals The Golden Dome

Sat, 24 May 2025

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In this episode of The President's Daily Brief: New U.S. intelligence indicates that Israel may be preparing to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, sparking concern in Washington. Behnam Ben Taleblu from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies explains what this could mean for U.S. foreign policy and regional stability. Former President Donald Trump unveils bold new details of his “Golden Dome” missile defense initiative aimed at protecting the U.S. from missile and drone attacks. Brandon Weichert, author of Winning Space, joins us to break down the ambitious plan and what it could mean for America’s future in missile defense. To listen to the show ad-free, become a premium member of The President’s Daily Brief by visiting PDBPremium.com. Please remember to subscribe if you enjoyed this episode of The President's Daily Brief. YouTube: youtube.com/@presidentsdailybrief Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What intelligence suggests Israel may strike Iran?

71.288 - 91.485 Mike Baker

Benham Ben-Taliblu from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies joins us to break it down. Later in the show, President Trump has unveiled new details of his ambitious Golden Dome missile defense plan, have you heard about this, to shield the U.S. from foreign attacks. Brandon Weikert, author of Winning Space, joins us to walk through the details.

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92.386 - 115.544 Mike Baker

But first, today's Situation Report Spotlight. New intelligence suggests Israel may be preparing to strike Iran's nuclear facilities, despite ongoing US efforts to negotiate a new deal with the Iranian regime. Now, according to American officials, intercepted communications between Israeli leaders and recent military activity all point to a possible near-term attack.

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CNN reports that Israel has moved munitions into position and wrapped up large-scale air exercises, both potential indicators of a preemptive strike. The news has raised concerns in Washington, of course, that such an operation could ignite a wider regional conflict. Joining us to discuss what this intelligence might signal is Benham Ben-Taliblu.

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Chapter 2: Who is Benham Ben-Taliblu and what insights does he provide?

Chapter 3: What is the Golden Dome missile defense initiative?

92.386 - 115.544 Mike Baker

But first, today's Situation Report Spotlight. New intelligence suggests Israel may be preparing to strike Iran's nuclear facilities, despite ongoing US efforts to negotiate a new deal with the Iranian regime. Now, according to American officials, intercepted communications between Israeli leaders and recent military activity all point to a possible near-term attack.

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116.085 - 136.485 Mike Baker

CNN reports that Israel has moved munitions into position and wrapped up large-scale air exercises, both potential indicators of a preemptive strike. The news has raised concerns in Washington, of course, that such an operation could ignite a wider regional conflict. Joining us to discuss what this intelligence might signal is Benham Ben-Taliblu.

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136.765 - 157.73 Mike Baker

He's a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. And for inside baseball purposes, The Situation Report is a year old. In fact, it was a year old as of about a week ago. And Benham was one of our very first guests. So, we're very delighted to have him back on the Situation Report. Benham, thanks very much, man. It's an honor to be back with you. Thanks so much.

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158.737 - 177.38 Mike Baker

How did this intelligence get out there, right? I mean, so obviously somebody saw that within the White House, within the national security offices, we had intelligence saying that there's concern that the Israelis may be preparing to strike. Any insight into how that information got out?

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Chapter 4: How could a potential Israeli strike affect U.S. foreign policy?

177.941 - 196.457 Benham Ben-Taliblu

Well, how the information may have gotten out from the White House to the press, you know, my Occam's razor approach or the simplest explanation is the most likely is this the same way that other information that the U.S. government sometimes more political, sometimes more policy, sometimes more classified or

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196.957 - 214.975 Benham Ben-Taliblu

high-level compartmentalized intelligence information gets out which is it's a leak from a human individual who happens to know a reporter and wants that particular story out there because they play sometimes the Washington folks call an inside-outside game whereas when they have a certain amount of exposure

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215.875 - 238.906 Benham Ben-Taliblu

to a topic or to an issue that generates a certain kind of public backlash that allows folks within the administration and within the kind of, I don't like to use the word deep state, but within the more long-standing civil service bureaucracy, the room for maneuver to ride on top of the sentiment reacting to that story to achieve the policy processes that they may have wanted to.

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239.246 - 244.509 Benham Ben-Taliblu

Again, I have no insight as to if this was the way or if there was a different way

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245.369 - 266.83 Benham Ben-Taliblu

that some of this information got out there about the administration seeing the Israelis getting ready for a strike basically deal or no deal but to me also having read that story the first time I pushed away from the table on it and said even though I'm reading this for the first time this is really an evergreen story because I think the Israelis mean what they say when they say they won't let the Islamic Republic of Iran get a nuclear weapon

267.49 - 277.874 Benham Ben-Taliblu

They're a country that does have a very advanced air force. You saw that specifically against the Iranian threat, both in April and in October of last year, when they retaliated against Iran's missile barrages.

278.614 - 293.04 Benham Ben-Taliblu

And you've seen in history over the past 40, 50 years, where there have been a whole host of operations involving the Israeli air force, not just in counter-proliferation ways, but other ways where they've really confounded expectations that do exist in the open source about what they can and cannot do.

294.28 - 311.287 Benham Ben-Taliblu

And so, layering all of this on together, I think, yeah, this is a snapshot, but a snapshot of a story we've seen over time, which is there are always folks in various administrations, left and right, that always tend to leak to press sources. There's always people within the civil service bureaucracy who benefit from those leaks.

311.667 - 321.191 Benham Ben-Taliblu

But as to this specific topic, yeah, the Israelis have always been training and probably will always continue to train so long as there is Islamic Republic of Iran that is interested in getting a nuclear weapon.

Chapter 5: What challenges does Israel face in striking Iran's nuclear facilities?

781.64 - 800.594 Benham Ben-Taliblu

But I think with respect to the Islamic Republic of Iran, the president has said that he doesn't want to have to do the military option. but he's willing to at least put it on the table and make it meaningful over time. So, I think every threat with respect to this president, every option with respect to this president is credible.

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800.714 - 809.478 Benham Ben-Taliblu

And if that, you know, five months out, I had to judge the Trump administration's Iran policy, I would say they're trying to go a mile wide and an inch deep on everything.

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809.918 - 828.583 Benham Ben-Taliblu

So even though you heard this line back starting from President George W. Bush when he said all options are on the table, when you look at literally everything that President Trump has been doing, he has literally been putting stock behind every single option, military, economic with the sanctions, for example, political, diplomatic even.

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829.523 - 850.014 Benham Ben-Taliblu

by engaging in these direct or indirect, depending on who you believe, bilateral conversations with Iranians. So he is every element, diplomatic, informational, military, economic, trying to create an element that this is Iran policy. think he's trying to provoke a reaction. He's trying to see where the Iranians are responding.

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850.054 - 867.968 Benham Ben-Taliblu

And right now, the Iranians are responding primarily in the diplomatic or political domain. They're trying to test him. They're trying to buy time. But now, it behooves him to grow the stock beyond just an HD of those economic and of those military options. And if I had to advise him right now, I would say,

868.989 - 881.914 Benham Ben-Taliblu

One thing that you got to trim with respect is the positive rhetoric or the optimism that the most powerful person in the world injects into these talks, which is when the president says, I want them to go well, I think they're going well, looks like they're going well.

882.674 - 904.584 Benham Ben-Taliblu

The Iranian currency, the rial, has appreciated, meaning improved about 20% since talks started just because of this slightly more different changing positive atmosphere. The president has gone after three refineries in China going after Iranian oil while talking to the Iranians. This is stuff President Obama or President Biden never did.

904.964 - 922.212 Benham Ben-Taliblu

And yet still, Iranian exports are flatlined at 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 million barrels a day, depending on who you ask. So, there is going to have to be more done to make the Iranians feel the pain. But long story short, I don't just see this as the president ticking a box. and rushing through things.

922.532 - 940.224 Benham Ben-Taliblu

I think this is consistent with how he sees the Iranian threat, consistent with his options, consistent with what he campaigned on multiple times before the American public. And he is trying to square peg round hole this because the Islamic Republic is trying to raise the cost and the US is trying to limit the cost. And nary the two shall meet.

Chapter 6: How is the Trump administration approaching the Iranian threat?

1069.828 - 1091.9 Mike Baker

At the same time, you could argue, look, there have been a lot of contradictory statements. So President Trump will come out with something positive. And then you'll hear back from the Iranian regime saying, no, no, we're not ever going to give up uranium enrichment. No, you know, we're not. Because they're obviously playing the same game over on their side of the table with their population.

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1092.62 - 1112.287 Mike Baker

They probably do not want to be seen as caving in to the U.S. by any means. But in reality, you could argue we're seeing the same thing with the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Oftentimes we're getting, yes, the phone call was very positive. We're going to have discussions. They're going to move for a ceasefire. And then you get Putin saying, well, no, we're not.

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1113.528 - 1129.932 Mike Baker

Then we're not having any discussions and we're not meeting wherever. So talk to me about that. Is that just in the nature of President Trump? Is that just the way that he operates? Or again, I keep kind of pulling at the same thread, is there a strategy here?

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1129.952 - 1150.118 Benham Ben-Taliblu

Well, I do think there is a strategy here. It's just that there are other strategies as well. I think there's an attempt by the Iranians to rope-a-dope the Americans. I think there's an attempt by Iran's great power partners, the Russians and the Chinese, to magnify the Iranian threat, to suck up all the oxygen in the room and

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1150.598 - 1160.32 Benham Ben-Taliblu

time and political space in Washington deal with a tier three threat and to not be able to deal properly with a tier one threat, which is the likes of China and Russia, in my view.

1161.08 - 1177.504 Benham Ben-Taliblu

But with respect to the things that people have called contradictory in the president's policy and even some of the president's statements and even some of the statements of his advisors, I think I would say, yes, you could see different approaches being taken by different flanks of the Republican Party pretty early on in the Trump administration.

1178.304 - 1199.609 Benham Ben-Taliblu

when it came to technical things like enrichment in Iran be permitted, yes or no. But if you have to plot those divergent statements on a chart, yes, indeed, they did start very scattered, but now they are all very much correlating in one direction. There was a time when former National Security Advisor Mike Waltz was the only one talking about dismantlement.

1200.149 - 1221.483 Benham Ben-Taliblu

and zero enrichment and the Libya model. But now you've had Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. You've had the White House Press Secretary much more recently. You've had President Trump himself. You've had Secretary Rubio, the Secretary of State on multiple occasions bring this up. There is much more administrative cohesion. You've had the special envoy for crying out loud, Steve Witkoff.

1222.664 - 1235.071 Benham Ben-Taliblu

A much more cohesion with respect to statements, with respect to both technical and political end states. for Iran's nuclear program put forward publicly by the US administration.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of Iranian nuclear negotiations?

2334.353 - 2358.349 Brandon Weikert

They're very expensive to make. After the Cold War ended, the political class sort of didn't care anymore because there were no more enemies. And so, we're playing catch up in that regard. What the Golden Dome is, is it's not just ground-based and sea-based interceptors. It's now also space-based. So we're going from the ground up and from space down.

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2358.79 - 2381.027 Brandon Weikert

And so the idea is it's going to be very layered and it's going to have multiple advanced sensors with multiple points of intercept. And obviously, the more eyes on a target and the more capacity to intercept a target, even if it's moving fast, the greater the likelihood you can prevent it from hitting its intended destination or its intended target.

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2382.428 - 2401.991 Mike Baker

Okay. And the nature of the targets have changed. Correct me if I'm wrong, and also elaborate on this, because I'm sure I'm going to oversimplify, but past defense targets, systems basically were working on ballistic missiles, which have a predictable trajectory, right? They go up, they come down.

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2402.752 - 2421.685 Mike Baker

The Golden Dome now will be focused on, and you mentioned them, hypersonic weapons, as well as sort of the old traditional attacks. So talk to me a little bit about, actually, you know what, before we do that, Let's take a quick break because there's a lot here to discuss when we start talking about hypersonic weapons.

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2422.946 - 2447.562 Mike Baker

So if you could stay with us, Brandon, we'll be right back after a quick break with more of the Situation Report. So please stay right where you are. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the PDB Situation Report. Joining me once again is Brandon Weikert. He's the author of Winning Space, How America Remains a Superpower. Pick that book up and read it because it's very good reading.

2447.762 - 2468.835 Mike Baker

And it's also important given what we're talking about right now and what the U.S. is intending to do, which is the Golden Dome. So bringing it back around to the Golden Dome, Brandon. Yeah, we left off in the last conversation talking with the notion that our missile defense systems were focused on ballistic missiles, predictable trajectory. Yes.

2469.115 - 2489.925 Mike Baker

Now the Golden Dome is focused on new technology, right? New capabilities that our adversaries have, including hypersonic weapons. Talk to me about that. Is this the case where using space-based sensors and interceptors, is that the primary focus of that element of the Golden Dome?

2490.683 - 2511.091 Brandon Weikert

Yeah, you're lasered in, to pardon the pun, you're lasered right in on it. So this system will also deal with the ballistic missile threat, the conventional threat. But yes, it's going to also significantly address the hypersonic weapons capability. The problem with hypersonic weapons is not necessarily they're going fast. That's a misnomer.

2511.111 - 2529.819 Brandon Weikert

They're not necessarily going faster than a ballistic missile. The problem is the way that they can radically maneuver after they get to their terminal phase. So they're coming in like a ballistic missile would, but then they start kind of going crazy and that's to evade known capabilities of our air defense system as it stands.

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