
President Trump has shifted U.S. policy regarding the war between Ukraine and Russia. On Tuesday, The U.S. and Russia met for peace talks — without Ukraine — with a goal to ending the conflict. What's behind the shift? This episode: political correspondent Sarah McCammon, White House correspondent Franco Ordoñez, and national security correspondent Greg Myre.The podcast is produced by Bria Suggs & Kelli Wessinger, and edited by Casey Morell. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.Listen to every episode of the NPR Politics Podcast sponsor-free, unlock access to bonus episodes with more from the NPR Politics team, and support public media when you sign up for The NPR Politics Podcast+ at plus.npr.org/politics.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
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I'm glad to hear that cookie distribution is still going. Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.
I'm Frank Ordonez. I cover the White House. And I'm Greg Myrie. I cover national security.
And today on the show, the latest on efforts to end the war in Ukraine. Officials from the U.S. and Russia met today in Saudi Arabia in an effort to try and broker a deal. And Greg, that's where we will start. What do we know about these talks?
So they took place in Riyadh, the Saudi capital. And these are the most extensive, formal, diplomatic talks the U.S. and Russia have had since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine almost exactly three years ago in February of 2022. The U.S. was led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. And the most immediate issue on the agenda is trying to find a way to end the war in Ukraine.
But Rubio said there are even larger goals here and they include trying to normalize and stabilize the U.S.-Russia relationship. looking for ways to possibly improve economic and geopolitical ties. And Sarah, I can't emphasize enough, this is absolutely a 180-degree turn from what we've seen under the Biden administration.
And this is happening quickly, lots of moving parts, and it's really the first major foreign policy initiative in the Trump administration. And let's listen to what Secretary of State Rubio had to say.
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