The New Yorker Radio Hour
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and the Confounding Politics of Junk Food. Plus, Kelefa Sanneh on the Long Influence of Kraftwerk
Fri, 2 May 2025
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the Secretary of Health and Human Services, has been undermining public trust in vaccines and overseeing crippling cuts to research across American science. And yet his “make America healthy again” highlights themes more familiar in liberal circles: toxins in the environment, biodiversity, healthy eating. Kennedy has put junk food at the center of the political conversation, speaking about ultra-processed foods and their established links to chronic disease—despite President Donald Trump’s well-known reverence for fast food of all kinds. Marion Nestle, a leading nutrition researcher and the author of “Food Politics,” has written in depth on how money and politics affect our diet and our health, and about the ways that American science research has been hampered by limited funding. She tells the physician and contributing writer Dhruv Khullar, who’s been reporting on the American diet, that “it would be wonderful if R.F.K., Jr., could make the food supply healthier. I just think that in order to do that, he’s going to have to take on the food industry, and I don’t think Trump has a history of taking on corporations of any kind. . . . I’ll believe it when I see it.” Kraftwerk—the pioneering electronic music group that débuted more than half a century ago —has been touring the U.S., with stops planned in Europe this year. The staff writer Kelefa Sanneh calls them one of the most influential bands of all time, playing a formative role in hip-hop, techno, EDM, and much of popular music as we know it. Sanneh picks tracks from Kraftswerk’s repertoire and demonstrates how those sounds trickle out through music history, from Afrika Bambaataa to Coldplay.
Chapter 1: What are the implications of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s political stance on junk food?
Right.
The people who were in this study didn't know which diet they were eating. So because they all tasted good, they liked the food. The shifts must be unbelievable. Then the big heavy criticism of the study is that it's too short and that there would be regression to the mean later on. And that's possible.
So I tell the critics, great, go ahead and criticize, but why aren't you fighting to get him more money to do longer studies with more people?
So the headline finding here is that ultra-processed foods tend to make people eat more than they otherwise would. And it seems there might be two reasons for that. One is hyper-palatability, and so combinations of sugar and fat, exactly, yum.
Yum.
These combinations of things that you don't often find in nature, but you find in ultra-processed foods in high quantities. People can't eat just one, as you said. The other big driver seems to be calorie density. So for every bite that you take, there's just many more calories per bite. So, of course, you're going to tend to eat more.
Your body may not have time to realize it's full before it's already consumed many more calories. you could envision ultra-processed foods doing a number of other things to the body. I mean, one is changing the microbiome. And so maybe the microbiome changes in interesting ways. You process food differently than you would on a more natural diet, let's say.
Two is changing the endocrine system in some way, the hormones that help us regulate how full we feel and how our body responds to food. And the third is our taste buds. You know, if you're getting big hits of salt and sugar and fat, your taste buds are going to adapt in a way that they want more of that over time.
Well, we know that works with salt.
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Chapter 2: How is ultra-processed food linked to chronic diseases?
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The single is called Janet Reno, who at the time was, I believe, a U.S. attorney in Miami-Dade County. Oh, it was before she was in the Clinton administration. Yes, because she was a local figure. And the idea was that if you don't pay your child support, Janet Reno was going to come after you. I don't know if she owns an autographed copy of that single, but I hope she does.
Anyway, back to Kraftwerk. This one particular track, Numbers, kept getting recycled and sampled and sampled. You might recognize the robotic counting in this techno track. This is Mike Hitman Wilson's remix of Rock to the Beat by Reese, which is a name of the producer Kevin Saunderson, who was one of the Detroit producers who created techno. And so this is a fairly early techno track.
This is only a few years after the genre was born. And by this point, like, Kraftwerk is roots music. And for a techno producer, that's a way of paying tribute to, you know, the eight, by this point, eight years old German track that helped inspire them. Okay, one last Kraftwerk track, Computer Love, from that same 1981 album Computer World. It's kind of a love song about computers.
I think the sense of humor in Kraftwerk is sometimes underrated. Overlooked. Yeah, there's a silliness to them or a sense of play.
And does the creativity and the innovation come to a halt at a certain point? Do they become an oldies band in a way?
Well, I think it's fair to say most of the people who come to see them now are there for the older songs, right? They would call that a legacy act, right? Not oldies. It's pejorative.
And the original members? One of the original members, yes. So everybody else is kind of a replacement along the way.
Yeah, so the heart of Kraftwerk was Florian Schneider and Ralf Hutter. Ralf Hutter is still alive and touring. Florian Schneider died in 2020. So, you know, it's partly an opportunity to pay tribute to this legacy. But, David, I think you might have told on yourself a little bit. You said that this track, Computer Love, sounded kind of familiar. Something. I think I know why. Why?
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