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The New Yorker Radio Hour

From “On the Media” ’s “Divided Dial”: “Fishing in the Night”

Tue, 20 May 2025

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This special episode comes from “On the Media” ’s Peabody-winning series “The Divided Dial,” reported by Katie Thornton. You know A.M. and F.M. radio. But did you know that there is a whole other world of radio surrounding us at all times? It’s called shortwave—and, thanks to a quirk of science that lets broadcasters bounce radio waves off the ionosphere, it can reach thousands of miles, penetrating rough terrain and geopolitical boundaries. How did this instantaneous, global, mass communication tool—a sort of internet-before-the-internet—go from a utopian experiment in international connection to a hardened tool of information warfare and propaganda? This first episode of Season 2 of  “The Divided Dial” is called “Fishing in the Night.”

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Chapter 1: What is shortwave radio and why is it important?

2.662 - 12.048 Vincent Cunningham

From the online spectacle around Leo XIV's election to our favorite on-screen cardinals. This week on Critics at Large, we're talking all things Pope.

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12.908 - 29.498 Unknown Speaker

The Catholic Church was made for this moment. I think 2,000 years ago, the Catholic Church basically anticipated TikTok, Instagram, X. You don't have those little Swiss guard outfits and think they're not being photographed. Oil painting is not enough.

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30.56 - 44.519 Vincent Cunningham

I'm Vincent Cunningham. Join me and my co-hosts for an episode on what can only be described as Pope Week. New episodes of Critics at Large drop every Thursday. Find us wherever you get your podcasts.

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52.315 - 70.59 Adam Howard

Hi, I'm Adam Howard, a senior producer for the New Yorker Radio Hour, and we wanted to share something special with you on the podcast this week. This comes from our friends at On the Media, and it's an episode from the second season of their series, The Divided Dial. Season one was all about the rightward shift of talk radio, and it won a Peabody Award.

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71.17 - 79.777 Adam Howard

In season two, reporter and host Katie Thornton travels to a lesser known end of the radio spectrum. Here's Katie Thornton reporting for On the Media.

86.837 - 110.455 Katie Thornton

Last summer, I met up with a journalist and radio fan named David Gorin. I went to his house in Brooklyn, New York, so that we could listen to the radio together. Not any old radio, not AM or FM, nothing you can pick up in your car, but shortwave radio, the little-known cousin of AM and FM, with fuzzy stations that can reach insanely far distances.

111.84 - 116.424 Katie Thornton

David's been listening to shortwave since he was a kid in the 70s, when his uncle gave him a radio.

116.704 - 124.069 Unknown Speaker

And I turned it on, and it's like the radio leapt out of my hand with the North American service of Radio Moscow.

124.97 - 129.614 Katie Thornton

Suddenly, the world was all within reach, available to him right there in this box.

Chapter 2: How did shortwave radio evolve over time?

1080.418 - 1092.063 Katie Thornton

And then they turned their findings into entertainment. like the hit CBS radio series hosted by a popular detective novelist named Rex Stout. It was called Our Secret Weapon.

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1092.403 - 1103.428 Unknown Speaker

The truth is a weapon that isn't secret in our country, but it's a big secret to the people who live in Germany, Japan, and Italy. Our enemies don't have this weapon. They don't dare let their people know the truth.

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1103.968 - 1107.949 Katie Thornton

Every week, radio sleuth Stout debunked enemy shortwave propaganda.

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1108.23 - 1111.671 Unknown Speaker

First a broadcast of the official German news agency on August 2nd.

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1112.381 - 1122.274 Unknown Speaker

The meeting between Churchill and Stalin was very excited and hysterical. On August 8th, being that England... This morning, Churchill shook hands with Stalin at the Kremlin.

1122.354 - 1128.182 Unknown Speaker

As we now know, Churchill actually arrived in Moscow on August 12th. You can't beat that for a scoop.

1130.816 - 1141.302 Katie Thornton

The rest of the Allies were also busy fighting Germany's shortwave radio propaganda. It was during World War II that the BBC ramped up what would come to be known as the World Service on shortwave.

1141.622 - 1145.784 Unknown Speaker

This is London calling in the overseas service of the British Broadcasting Corporation.

1146.304 - 1150.547 Katie Thornton

They broadcast news to the world with just a bit of pro-Ally spin.

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