Today, you’re getting a wake-up call that will forever change the way you see your phone, your attention, and your time. Mel is pulling back the curtain on the hidden game that Big Tech is playing with your brain—one designed to hijack your focus, drain your energy, and keep you scrolling so they can profit off of you. But here’s the good news: once you see the game for what it is, you can stop losing and start winning. In this episode, you’ll learn why you feel exhausted after scrolling, why you can’t stop checking your phone, and how social media is manipulating you in ways you don’t even realize. Mel breaks down the science of dopamine, motivation, and attention—and how simple, research-backed changes can help you reclaim control. Mel also shares her conversation with renowned psychiatrist Dr. Alok Kanojia, also known as Dr. K, who reveals the shocking truth about what your phone is doing to your brain—and how to undo the damage starting today. By the end, you’ll have the tools to take your power back, set boundaries with technology, and start using your phone as a tool rather than being the tool. If you’re tired of feeling distracted, overwhelmed, and drained, this episode is the wake-up call you need. For more resources, click here for the podcast episode page. To hear more from Dr. K, listen to this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, that goes deeper into the themes discussed today: Before You Waste Time, Listen to ThisFor more real talk from Mel that cuts right to the heart of what you’re facing today, listen to this episode: When Nothing Seems to Be Going Your Way, Here’s Exactly What to DoConnect with Mel: Get Mel’s #1 bestselling book, The Let Them TheoryWatch the episodes on YouTubeFollow Mel on Instagram The Mel Robbins Podcast InstagramMel's TikTok Sign up for Mel’s personal letter Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes Disclaimer
Chapter 1: How are smartphones affecting our lives?
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so excited that you hit play because today's conversation is going to, I think it's going to blow your mind. See, right now, you and I are part of this game that's going on, and you don't even know about the game. And this game that you and I are playing, it's changing how your brain works.
It's changing how you live your life. And here's what I want to ask you. Have you ever thought to yourself, gosh, I wish I wasn't on my phone so much. I wish I wasn't constantly wasting time scrolling. I wish I had more time to do the things that I really want to do and to be present with the people that I love. And I wish they were present for me. Well, I got news for you. You're not alone.
See, the average person is spending 59 hours a week consuming media. Uh-huh, 59 hours. I mean, that's more than your full-time job. And today, I'm gonna show you that without even knowing it, you are losing this game that has been created by the big tech companies. You have actually become a tool, a tool for them to make money.
And after listening to this, you're going to leave with these huge epiphany. See, there's this quote that I love. Wayne Dwyer said this, when you change the way you look at the world, the world you look at changes. And here's what's going to change today. Number one, you're going to have more time. I'm gonna give you your time back.
Number two, when you change the way you look at the world, you're going to get energy back. Number three, when you change the way you look at the world, you're going to get your ability to enjoy your life back. Because here's what's gonna change. You're not gonna be wasting all your dopamine on your phone.
And once you learn how big tech is using you, you, my friend, are gonna stop losing this game and you're gonna turn the tables and you're gonna win it. Because instead of being a tool for big tech to make money, you're gonna learn how to have boundaries with your phone and how to use technology as a tool to help you achieve your goals and to make your life better.
I mean, this is one of those conversations, I get so fired up about this, I think you can tell this, that you're going to want to share this with absolutely everybody that you care about that has a smartphone, which is everybody that you care about.
So if you're ready to stop letting your brain be hijacked by big tech and by your phone, then you are in the right place because I'm about to change the way you see the world. Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so excited that you're here, and I'm also so excited about the conversation today. This is a topic I am absolutely passionate about.
I have so much to share with you, to teach you, to have you just really, it's the kind of conversation that just makes you look amazing. at the world and what's possible differently. And so let me just start by saying thank you for being here. It is always such an honor to spend time with you and to be together.
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Chapter 2: What is the attention economy?
By the time you and I are done talking today, you will never actually look at your phone the same way again. And this is important because you do need to change the way that you look at your phone. I'm going to explain that the world and tech and the phone and social media, holy cow, in the last five years, it has completely changed. And you and I need to have a huge wake-up call.
Because when I paint the picture of what this phone is actually designed to do, it's going to change your motivation for how you use it and when you use it. And, you know, I've been talking about this topic. It's called the attention economy. for years. I mean, I've been traveling the world.
You and I may just be kind of getting to know each other through the Mel Robbins podcast, but for almost a decade, I spent most of my career traveling around the world and speaking at huge events, being put on by some of the biggest brands in the world, talking about all kinds of things from behavior change to motivation. And a really big topic has been
understanding the way that technology and the phone in particular is designed to steal your attention and your focus. Because you and I now live in what's called the attention economy. And this is important for you to understand. It's important for your middle schoolers to understand, for your high schoolers, for the 20-somethings.
Heck, if you've got aging parents that are now addicted to their iPad or their phone, it's important for them to understand. We live in a whole new world. We live in what's called the attention economy. Now, what does that mean? Here's what it means. It means your attention is for sale.
That the time that you spend watching media, scrolling through your phone, tapping on certain things, buying things that you don't need, that everybody is making money off of your attention and your time. that you don't have to get on your phone and buy something for people to make money.
You simply sitting on your phone and mindlessly scrolling and having it on, people have figured out how to make money with you simply having the phone on. And so takeaway number one is that your phone is designed to steal your attention for one reason, and one reason only. Because people are making money on you. It's that simple. They're making money on you.
And I'm going to unpack this in detail so that you really understand what your phone is and what it isn't. And that from this point forward, even if you're in middle school and you're listening to me, or you're 80 years old and you're listening to me, or you're 50 years old and you're frustrated because you can't get your family to just connect over dinner because everybody's on their phone.
Well, the reason why this is true is because the phone is designed to keep you on it. Like, that's what you have to understand, that the rules have fundamentally changed and not enough of us are talking about it. I didn't figure this out until a couple of years ago when I started looking into the research around focus and attention.
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Chapter 3: How is technology designed to exploit your attention?
And if you were just like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. Is your phone on you? Do you look at it throughout the day? Every time you turn it on, you're activating the phone's ability to make money on you. Even simply if it's tracking you, guess what? There are companies making money on the data that's tracking you and listening to you.
as you have it near you, even if you're not directly consuming media. That's what I'm talking about. And so if you've ever had that thought, boy, I wish I would just spend less time on my phone, or I wish I wasn't wasting hours scrolling on social media, Or how about this? Do you feel like you're constantly buying things that you didn't actually mean to buy?
You know, the thing that's laying around downstairs that I can't find the actual company to be able to return the thing to is I bought a bunch of those bird feeders that have the little camera in them They were all over my Instagram feed. Oh my God, I've got like two extra ones here.
I don't even remember buying them, probably because I bought it one night while I was scrolling through Instagram and the phone was on. And I even know that it is the attention economy and I still succumb to it. And the reason why I wanted to talk to you about this is because this is a really big deal.
The research shows that the average person in the United States, based on the devices themselves, is spending seven hours a day consuming media on your phone. Seven hours a day. That's 59 hours a week. 59 hours. just looking at your TV and your phone, you got to be very careful about the addictive nature of this freaking device and how people are using you.
Because when you wake up and are like, wait a minute, I'm getting used? then I think you're gonna have a different level of motivation around your boundaries with this phone. And so first things first, we're gonna spend a lot of time talking about what is it about the attention economy and the way that this thing is designed that has changed? What do you need to know?
Because when you look at the world differently, I think you show up to the world differently. And if you find that you keep thinking, God, I wish I would spend less time on my phone or your kids are like, I wish I spent less time on my phone, but you just can't.
Like, for example, have you ever deleted TikTok and then you just download YouTube or then you delete YouTube and then you download TikTok again? If you have been the kind of person, have you ever set limits on your apps, right? And then you just tap out of the notification? Guilty. Or if you can't watch TV while not also scrolling on Instagram? I mean, this is something we're all struggling with.
And you're struggling with it not because you're weak, you're struggling with it because that's a sign that the phone is winning. The phone is winning the game. The phone is changing your brain. The phone is getting you to just step right into the trap so that it can make money on you mindlessly.
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Chapter 4: What are the psychological effects of constant phone use?
Look at me when you're talking to me. What's wrong with this generation? If you've ever felt that way, it's not their fault either. It's not your teenager's fault that they're constantly online. They need to be on social media. They're constantly wanting to do something.
It's not your fault if all you want to be in life is an influencer because that's what you see other people doing online and you see them making money and you see them going on trips. Heck, even your aging parents are now addicted to their phones and their iPads and it's not their fault either. Not at all.
See, we have all been duped by the big tech programming and the attention economy that we live in. Your phone, social media, the news cycle, everything about the role that technology is playing in your life right now, it has not been designed for an altruistic reason. It has been designed to hijack your brain. It is designed to steal your attention.
And see, the reality is that you and I have been tricked into participating in and being used for a game that you and I didn't even know we were playing. You know, you and I look at the phone and we're like, oh, this is great. This is really great. I love this. I can connect with people. And it is great. But if you don't realize that you've been lured into something
For the sole purpose that you might buy something or that you might stay a little longer so that somebody can make money on you, then you are stepping into a game and you will always lose. And I'm going to give you a couple examples.
So have you ever gotten off an airplane and you get off an airplane, like especially if you land in a new country or you're going somewhere where there's like Orlando, you're going to go to Disney World. When you get off that plane, they purposefully move
move you through a section of the airport where there's all kinds of stuff to buy and the hallways are really little so that all you do is see stuff to buy and here's another example have you ever been to a museum and when you get out of the exhibit where do they put you they put you in the gift store and they don't just put you in the gift store by the exit they force you to walk through the whole thing and see all this kind of stuff why are they doing that
They are doing that because they're trapping you in a place where they have your attention in the hopes that if they put stuff in front of you, you're going to buy it. And the longer that you stay in there, which is why it takes a long time to walk through it. You know who else does this? IKEA. Have you ever tried to get out of an IKEA store for crying out loud quickly? You can't.
They make you literally walk two miles through every single display. Why? because they're trying to hold your attention. The longer that you're in there, the more likely you're going to see something that you buy. The more time that you spend in there, the more money they make. And they're not doing this because they're mean. They're doing this because they're a for-profit company.
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Chapter 5: How does AI influence our perception of truth?
Whenever the teacher in front of the class isn't saying something that interesting, you look at your phone. When you're lying in bed and you're having trouble going to sleep, you look at your phone. If you're sitting at a stoplight, you're looking at your phone. Heck, if you're honest with yourself, you're probably looking at it as you're driving.
As you're sitting on an airplane, you're looking at the phone. As you're sitting in a meeting, you've got your phone like kind of beneath the table and you're checking it out every once in a while. It has snuck up on you and it did it on purpose.
And that's why I need you and me and everybody that you care about that you're going to send this to, to actually wake up and recognize that this is not here because it wants to help you. It's here to make money on you. You know, the sad thing about the time that we live in right now is I feel like everything's that way. Politics. Politics is now entertainment. Headlines, same way.
The scarier it is, the more you're going to keep checking them. And if you want to see how much of a tool you've become, just check your screen time. Like, not even as a way to make you wrong, but see, I don't think... any of us realize how this has crept up on us?
And after just considering that you live in the attention economy and considering that everything is designed to keep you on it so that they make money, you got to recognize that because the rules have changed, you got to change your rules with how you play the game. and you got to see it for what it is, and you got to take your power back, and you got to go, ick, I'm not going to be an idiot.
I'm not going to allow them to just keep me trapped in this stuff so they make money. I'm going to get in, and then I'm going to get out. And that's how I think about this. How can I use this device and social media and the internet to actually help me achieve my goals? How can I use this as a tool, as it's designed to be used to benefit me instead of me being the tool?
And my use of it benefiting them. Do you see what I'm saying? Like being smarter about it allows you to change how you engage with it. And that's why I want you to think about this. Because that brings me to the second really important thing about understanding that you live in the attention economy. Your attention and time is for sale. and the world is designed to steal it from you.
That's why you're tired. That's why you spend too much time on your phone. That's why you spend too many evenings just mindlessly watching one thing after the other thing, because the game is designed for you to lose. So now that you accept that, and I hopefully have given you the eww factor, And I've woken you up to the fact that you do have power. These are amazing tools.
You got to step into the arena, get what you need, and then get out. The second thing I really want to highlight for you and for everybody that you're going to share this with is that there's a huge cost to playing the game. a huge cost.
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Chapter 6: What strategies can help you reclaim your time?
The circuitry is ready to go. It is primed and there to help you experience pleasure, to help you move toward things that give you meaning in your life. And then you and I make a really dumb mistake because we don't recognize the game that we're in. We make this mistake first thing in the morning of picking up the phone. And then we get on social media. And then we read the headlines.
And when you step into that arena, in the words of Dr. K, technology and the phone and social media, it's like taking the lemon that represents the dopamine and squeezing all the juice out. So that by the time you start your day, if you spent too long on your phone, You've literally drained the dopamine tank simply by stepping into the arena and allowing yourself to be turned into a tool.
And now for the rest of the day, you're playing catch up. This is why everything seems dull. This is why you don't really feel the drive. This is why your mood is kind of low and you're a little numb.
And this also then means that at the end of the day, when you're done at school or you're done at work and you get home and you're done feeding the dogs and making dinner and you collapse on the couch, all you want to do because you've got no dopamine left and you're not really feeling much of anything and you're exhausted is what? Pick this thing up again.
And you enter the arena and you make people more money and then you just feel worse. And I want to give you a little test to really just highlight for you why the phone is designed the way it's designed. Have you ever turned your phone to the grayscale feature? It's pretty unbelievable.
When you move your phone to grayscale, it is going to be so startling that you don't even need to hear research about this. But I do have research, and this research is unbelievable. There was a study done between Cornell and researchers at IE University in Madrid all about grayscale.
When people like you and me just switch the phone to black and white and grayscale, it reduces your daily screen time by 50 minutes. 50 minutes. And you could use those 50 minutes, right? I mean, I know I could use those 50 minutes. I want you to intentionally try to turn your phone to grayscale. I'm not even going to ask that you leave it on grayscale.
I'm going to ask that you just try to find it, which even as I'm talking to you, I can't freaking find it on my phone. That's how they've hidden this. But when you ultimately get your phone to grayscale, you're going to look at it and be like, well, that's not fun to look at. Oh, all those influencers don't look so tan and amazing and fabulous when it's on grayscale.
Oh, like this isn't that neat to be in. It's sort of like the same way a casino is bright and shiny and loud and you have to walk through it and you can't find the elevators, which means you stay in it long enough. Because when you strip away the colors, your phone is very boring.
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