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Trump Claims He Never Signed His Own Order on War Powers

Sat, 22 Mar 2025

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s claim he never signed his OWN invocation of the Alien Enemies Act. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/MEIDAS and use the code MEIDAS to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What did Trump claim about signing the Alien Enemies Act?

0.109 - 28.349 Ben Meiselas

Donald Trump is now claiming that he did not sign the invocation of war powers under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Despite the fact that Donald Trump's name is on the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act, you see right there it says, by the President of the United States of America on March 15th, 2025. And there's his signature saying, in witness whereof I have signed this,

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28.689 - 49.729 Ben Meiselas

It's in the Federal Register, dated Thursday, March 20th, 2025 under presidential documents. Trump is claiming he didn't sign it. He said other people handled it and he didn't know how it was signed. Here's what Donald Trump said moments ago outside of the White House to reporters. This was truly a stunning moment. Here, play this clip.

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Chapter 2: Why is Judge Jeb Boasberg questioning the proclamation's signing?

50.89 - 65.561 Judge Susan Crawford

It doesn't sound like this judge who the DOJ is arguing with today about the deportation flights. He wants to know why the proclamation was signed in the dark, his words, and why people were rushed on to planes.

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66.382 - 79.052 Donald Trump

Because we want to get criminals out of our country, number one. And I don't know when it was signed because I didn't sign it. Other people handled it. But Marco Rubio has done a great job and he wanted them out. And we go along with that. We want to get...

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79.172 - 100.122 Ben Meiselas

Now, we come with receipts here at the Midas Touch Network. Donald Trump's chief propagandist, who claims she's a press secretary, Caroline Leavitt, held a press conference in the White House shortly after Donald Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act. And she says President Trump signed the proclamation. Play this clip.

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Chapter 3: What role did Caroline Leavitt play in this controversy?

100.302 - 122.29 Caroline Leavitt

President Trump signed a proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act regarding the invasion of the United States by the foreign terrorist organization, Tren de Aragua. At the president's direction, the Department of Homeland Security carried out a counterterrorism operation, deporting nearly 200 violent Tren de Aragua terrorists, which will save countless Americans.

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122.33 - 148.509 Ben Meiselas

Here's Caroline Levitt. Shortly after that, she goes on state regime media known as Fox News. with Maria Bartiromo. And she says Donald Trump signed this proclamation. And then she goes on to say, and as a result, she says like over 200 or 300 Venezuelan gang members. And she says our terrorists, the most dangerous, violent people, she said, have been sent to El Salvador. I want to play this.

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148.529 - 150.33 Ben Meiselas

Then I want to fact check it. Let's play it.

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150.35 - 167.233 Caroline Leavitt

Good morning, Maria. The president signed a proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act against Tren de Aragua members who have invaded our country. These are the most violent, heinous criminal monsters you could ever imagine. They have taken the lives of innocent American women like Jocelyn Nongre and Lakin Riley.

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167.473 - 177.415 Caroline Leavitt

And the president invoked this authority to deport nearly 300 of them who are now in El Salvador, where they will be behind bars where they belong rather than roaming freely in American communities.

Chapter 4: Why are there concerns about the deportation process?

177.495 - 200.307 Ben Meiselas

Now, one of the things that we are learning and why I think Donald Trump's claiming that he did not sign this invocation of the Alien Enemies Act is that a lot of the individuals who ended up being kidnapped by the Trump regime and sent to El Salvador to be placed in concentration camps were not actually gang members.

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200.728 - 225.227 Ben Meiselas

They were not given due process to prove that they were not gang members in the first place. We're learning, for example, that political exiles of Venezuela professional soccer players who were coaches who were here lawfully under our lawful asylum process because they may have had Real Madrid tattoos or because they were giving the peace or love sign.

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225.687 - 246.781 Ben Meiselas

The Trump regime said their gang members picked them up, found them in the database because they were lawfully here seeking asylum, shipped them to concentration camps in El Salvador. We're also learning that there were women who were sent to El Salvador And those concentration camps there are only for men. And so they had to be sent back to Venezuela.

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247.061 - 267.542 Ben Meiselas

And who knows what happened there if they're political exiles from the Maduro regime. We learned a lot about this over the past few days. And then there was a hearing in the federal courts in Washington, D.C. today, where the federal judge, Jeb Boasberg, looks increasingly inclined to hold the Trump regime in contempt.

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267.562 - 288.798 Ben Meiselas

So I think what's happening here is Trump is throwing his own Department of Justice and his own DOJ lawyers under the bus now to try to blame them. Because even the Department of Justice lawyer, when getting grilled by the chief federal judge in Washington, D.C., Judge Jeb Boasberg said, You were aware, right, that my order meant that you couldn't ship these people.

Chapter 5: How is the Trump administration responding to legal challenges?

289.138 - 311.215 Ben Meiselas

You could have put them through the regular process that we had. You didn't have to release them into the general population of America, but you could go through the regular immigration processes that have always existed until we can assess things like the validity of this order. Was this order signed? What's the war that Donald Trump is claiming exists?

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311.536 - 336.372 Ben Meiselas

What's the process if an individual wants to contest that they're not a gang member? Tell me about that. To which the Department of Justice lawyer said, I'm not prepared. I don't know. I wasn't given information by the Trump regime. I'm just a lawyer for the government. To which Judge Jeb Boasberg said, you best be prepared. When you come into my courtroom, that is not an excuse, counsel.

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336.712 - 356.741 Ben Meiselas

Do you understand? Let's go back to some more of the receipts. I just wanted to give you the context. Why is this going on? Why is Donald Trump claiming that? I know nothing about this because we think a lot of people sent to El Salvador were not the bad guys. or potentially innocent people lawfully here who are now in concentration camps.

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356.781 - 375.312 Ben Meiselas

This is a massive, massive crisis, folks, that is developing, and we called it when it happened. Here's Donald Trump on Air Force One right here. And Donald Trump was asked about invoking the Alien Enemies Act and whether we're at a war. And Trump said, yes, we're in a war. This is an invasion. Here's what he said. Let's play it.

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376.247 - 384.27 Reporter

that the Alien Enemies Act has only been invoked three other times, and they were all during times of war. Do you feel that you're using it appropriately right now?

Chapter 6: What context did Ben Meiselas provide about the proclamation?

384.29 - 398.308 Donald Trump

Well, this is a time of war because Biden allowed millions of people, many of them criminals, many of them at the highest level, They empty jails out, other nations empty their jails into the United States. It's an invasion.

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398.428 - 416.237 Ben Meiselas

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Chapter 7: Is the Alien Enemies Act being used appropriately according to Trump?

461.504 - 490.088 Ben Meiselas

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513.264 - 537.234 Ben Meiselas

Thank you, Miracle Made, for sponsoring this episode. Now, it's always projection and confession with Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump has been spending, what, the last two weeks coming up with this bizarre auto-pen conspiracy involving former President Biden, and Trump said, you know, look, all of Biden's pardons are not valid because he uses an auto-pen, and therefore...

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537.694 - 556.108 Ben Meiselas

Nothing that he's done is actually signed by him. He didn't know any of this was taking place. When former President Biden knew what was taking place, this whole auto pen conspiracy thing made no sense, but it's typical Trump projection. It seems that Trump doesn't even know what's being signed on his behalf.

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556.829 - 575.151 Ben Meiselas

A few days back when Donald Trump was at the Kennedy Center posing in front of nobody on the balcony so he can get his Mussolini photo up, Donald Trump was asked, have you ever used an auto pen? He's like, only for very unimportant matters, only unimportant matters, let's play it. And you'll make your own determination.

575.683 - 582.886 Reporter

You have criticized President Biden for using auto pens in the last few days. Have you yourself ever used auto pens, sir?

582.986 - 601.373 Donald Trump

Yeah, only for very unimportant papers. And I don't call them unimportant. If you do letters where people write in and, you know, they'd love to have a response, I will write responses and I'll sign them whenever I can. But when I can't, you know, I would use an auto pen. But to use them for what they've used them for is...

602.278 - 619.539 Ben Meiselas

Terrible. So Donald, was this one of those unimportant matters where the Alien Enemies Act was invoked? Where you invoked war powers that have only been claimed in the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II? That just your people auto-pensigned this?

620.14 - 642.047 Ben Meiselas

And now what you're terrified because you realize that you probably sent a lot of innocent people potentially to their deaths or to never to be heard from again from their families in El Salvador concentration camps. Or now that other countries are issuing travel advisories that if their citizens come to the United States, they may end up in El Salvador concentration camps. Now you're scared.

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