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Chapter 1: What did the hosts learn from their trip to the Smokies?
So, you know, examples of what people believe used to be UFOs.
Yeah, and also all the new declassified stuff and all that.
Somebody did ask if I was going to look at that, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm not usually a UFO person. Then again, Ashton Forbes isn't a VFX person, and he has opinions, so. Yeah, and it fits. He'd be so mad if I started doing UFO content and it did well. He'd be so mad. That's a good enough reason to do it. Okay, you guys win. I'm doing it.
incredible i hate grifters miss maury's asking what the most sus and least sus case was of the great smoky mountain cluster of the ones we were able to get to i mean polly may be the the most sus yeah of the ones in the smokies even more so than dennis
So Dennis is weird for different reasons. It's not weird that Dennis got lost. It's not weird that Dennis wasn't found. Yeah, because he was a seven-year-old. It's weird that the FBI intercepted Harold Key and told him, hey, do not tell anybody what you actually saw. And then he changed his story completely from what he had told the papers. That's weird. Like... So yes, suspicious...
But not in a how did this person disappear kind of way. I think inside of the park, it's probably Polly. Because again, you were there with me. I don't know how somebody could get lost there. You have to, you almost have to have intentionally walked away.
Yeah, either that or somehow fallen off the trail at one of the high points and not been found somehow.
And also, you know, there were some people in the comments who were saying, oh, well, that area was a little bit more wild in the 80s. Yeah, but the contemporary reports describe it as being very similar to how it is today. So was it probably a little bit less manicured? Yeah. Yeah. Did it seem like people at the time understood how you could go missing there? No, they did not.
They were like, what happened? How do you disappear? And all I can think of is that she deliberately went off trail or took a different trail, and then the question is why? And I don't have a good answer for that. So I think Polly remains one of the more mysterious ones. Trenny is... Trennies is weird.
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Chapter 2: What are the key differences in the Missing 411 cases?
Yeah.
I don't know. I never really drank a lot of water. Just, like, period. Like, in high school and stuff, I wouldn't really drink water until sports started. Like, for the whole day.
So... No, I don't drink a ton of water at home. But when I am out in the world, I am chugging that stuff.
I drink fluids. Fluids. It's literally water. Yeah, bubbly's fine. Bubbly is water.
What? Because it's bubbly? I don't get hydrated? I think it's the coffee.
It's a combo.
I just drink a lot of coffee and alcohol and my tummy don't like that.
It's almost like your body's asking you to listen to something.
No.
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Chapter 3: How did the terrain affect missing persons cases?
Chapter 4: What are the theories surrounding Polly Melton's disappearance?
Oh no. Yeah. That woman, somebody like on the video is like, it's crazy how you guys passed like an actual 57 year old woman. It's like, no, that woman was in her seventies. Yeah. This is what I mean is Polly looked like she was in her seventies. The way people in their seventies look today.
Well, I think people are just aging slower.
Yeah, I mean, definitely. Also, smoking a lot less.
Yeah, that helps.
I think that is a huge part of why people look younger now. We don't smoke nearly as much. And also, there's no smoking in bars. There's no smoking in hotels. There's no smoking within 20 feet of a lot of buildings.
I can't imagine what the world smelled like 50 years ago. Cigarettes. Yeah, but that's the thing. Have you seen the pictures of old stadiums? Yeah, and all the blue haze is just cigarette smoke. It's insane. I can't imagine going out into the woods and actually... Think about it. The cigarette smoke, also all of the smog in cities.
It was probably a huge difference going from a city into an actual national park. Oh, yeah. Like, now it's still really nice, but back then it was probably otherworldly.
Well, it's crazy to think about, because, like, you look at, like, Philly on a hazy day, and it's like, ah, it's a little misty over there, but I can still see everything. And then you go and you look up pictures of Philly in the 70s, and it's a cloud.
Yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 5: What happened in the Dennis Martin case?
So... No, I don't drink a ton of water at home. But when I am out in the world, I am chugging that stuff.
I drink fluids. Fluids. It's literally water. Yeah, bubbly's fine. Bubbly is water.
What? Because it's bubbly? I don't get hydrated? I think it's the coffee.
It's a combo.
I just drink a lot of coffee and alcohol and my tummy don't like that.
It's almost like your body's asking you to listen to something.
No.
But listen.
This is the microbiome. I am the macrobiome. The microbiome listens to the macrobiome. Apparently not. No, it does not like to do that at all. It's been quite angry with me recently.
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Chapter 6: How do the hosts feel about the concept of intentional disappearances?
Because they're shockingly not that expensive, and I did the math earlier today. If we did, as a group, like 50 nights in it, we've already covered the cost of Airbnbs and or hotel rooms. That's true, yeah. That's true. Should definitely consider that. Yeah, it's a thought. Yeah. Uh, next is from Kellen again for one 89 saying Toyota is going hard on hydrogen fueled cars versus EV. Nice.
Love to hear it. Uh, Kirby for four 99 says read the hydrogen conversation. Thanks for the answers. When I said governments, I was thinking because of pressure from oil companies too. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. Yeah.
But yes, in that case, yes, absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. same thing with nuclear unfortunately yes sadly yeah hey josh shapiro buddy we have ideas abigail stewart for two dollars says totally not a cult but it's a cult yeah here's the thing i keep telling him he has to call it a cult otherwise it becomes a cult i still don't understand the logic but i don't think i ever will so
we understand we understand and as long as we can get him to accept that we understand then we'll be okay indeed and we'll be safe indeed gum for two dollars says remember to read my campaign promises all of them i i don't know if we can i i will read them we just don't know if we can read them aloud but we will read them. They, they, they will in fact be read and they can be read by those.
You will see us react to them that much is for sure. Cause I have not read them yet.
We'll read them at the end.
Oh boy.
Uh, Kelly, the official data for four 99 says, do you need someone to teach fleet navigation? I'm going to steal the USS constitution. Uh, yes, please come do it. I will happily be the first mate until I get to captain my own vessel.
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