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Chapter 1: What are President Trump's views on a potential recession?
On Sunday, President Donald Trump said something surprising on Fox News. He said he wasn't going to rule out a recession. Are you expecting a recession this year?
I hate to predict things like that. There is a period of transition, because what we're doing is very big. We're bringing wealth back to America. That's a big thing. And there are always periods of—it takes a little time— It takes a little time.
His statement marked a shift in the message coming from the White House. Trump has promised a sweeping transformation of the American economy, one that makes America affordable again. But now, the messaging is that implementing that vision could cause some short-term pain. Here's Treasury Secretary Scott Besant on CNBC.
The market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be a detox period.
Already, the economy is seeing some signs that that pain is here.
Consumer confidence is down nearly 10% from last month.
The Dow plunging nearly 750 points, the S&P 500, NASDAQ both falling sharply as well amid fears of a slowing economy and stubborn inflation.
The new 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico and additional tariffs on China risk raising prices for American households.
We're starting to see some cracks. We're starting to see companies talk about declining demand for their products and services. So we're starting to see some sort of slippage, I think, in the economy. Maybe in the long run, it'll prove to be very beneficial to the economy, but I think what it's done at the outset is inject a lot of uncertainty into it.
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Chapter 2: How is the White House managing economic changes?
there are a few early signs that consumers are already spending less. This week, several big airlines predicted lower revenue in the coming quarter because they expect people to pull back on travel.
We had, you know, these earnings from Kohl's, which show that just overall maybe consumer spending on household goods and the like is down a little bit. People are starting to pinch their pennies a little bit.
Do we have any historical context for what shrinking the government does to the economy?
I don't think so, at least not with the federal government, with, you know, very targeted cuts to the federal government. We really slimmed down the size of the federal government in the 1990s. This was sort of a Clinton era policy back then. But the economy was so good otherwise that those cuts kind of got absorbed and kind of like just lost in the... in the fold here.
So I don't think there is any sort of historical parallel to this, at least not one that would kind of give us any sort of, you know, guidance or signposts on where we're headed at this point. The big data that we pay attention to on jobs, on inflation, on GDP, these are lagging indicators, what they call lagging indicators, right? So, you know, they follow the actual phenomenon by several months.
And we're only several weeks into the Trump administration. So we're really not going to know.
Which is wild, actually, to think about.
Yeah, it feels like a bit longer than that. But I think the main one economists look to is sort of the tip of the spear in this is like consumer confidence and consumer spending, right? I mean, what are consumers doing? Because that's really, you know, a big part of the ballgame here is are consumers, you know, pulling out their credit cards?
Are they going ahead with the home renovation that they had planned? Are they going ahead with the big summer vacation that they thought they might take with their families? And, you know, that kind of behavior stimulates the economy, right, and keeps the economy sort of humming. And we've had a pretty good economy for several years now coming out of COVID.
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Chapter 3: What are the current economic indicators and market reactions?
Is there anything that could change Trump's approach here? By which I mean, is there a future that we could look at that's a little bit more predictable in the way these new policies are being rolled out?
I'm not sure. I mean, there's only a small group of people who could convince him to kind of start having more of a straight line in his decisions. That includes Vice President J.D. Vance, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, his family, and friends such as Howard Lutnick. These are the only people...
that will be able to kind of make an inroad with him and say, Mr. President, it's maybe time to take a different tactic on how we're going to roll out these tariffs. But I don't think there's anybody in his orbit at the moment who's willing to do that.
So until that happens, if that happens, we should all be braced for a little bit more of this uncertainty.
Yes. I mean, there's so much to keep your eye out for.
That's our colleague Ashby Jones again.
You need like one of those big video screens that has like, you know, 10 TVs that are each showing a different kind of economic program or something like that. I am most interested at the moment in sort of this spending consumer sentiment piece of it, because I think that's really important. something that could portend, you know, broader trouble ahead.
And of course, that's tied in with the stock market. If stock markets start to drop, people get a little bit worried about their own pocketbooks. And all of a sudden there's a vibe in the air, right? And the vibe is things are not doing well. Let's everybody hold on to our money and not spend. And that can then lead to recessionary forces or pressures because people hold on to their money.
businesses suffer and then they hold on to their money and you get sort of a spiral. So I think we're just going to have to wait and see how stocks do over the next couple of weeks before we come to any judgment on this.
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