Getting blackmailed over nonexistent nudes? On Skeptical Sunday, Nick Pell untangles the dark web of sextortion and why kids face the greatest danger. On This Week's Skeptical Sunday: The basic sextortion scam is just sophisticated phishing. Those alarming emails claiming to have compromising footage of you? Pure fiction. These scammers cast wide nets, sending millions of messages hoping a tiny percentage will bite. They typically have basic information (your name, email, maybe your address) purchased from dark web data brokers, but nothing actually incriminating. The golden rule: if they don't show you the evidence, it doesn't exist. Children face genuine sextortion risks online. While adults receive empty threats, children encounter a far more dangerous reality. Predators create fake profiles mimicking peers, establish trust, and eventually manipulate children into sharing compromising images. Once obtained, these images become leverage for extorting money, demanding more explicit content, or worse — attempting to arrange in-person meetings. It's a digital trap baited with false friendship. Modern kids are safer outside but more vulnerable online. We've bubble-wrapped the physical world for children with public awareness campaigns, enhanced security measures, and helicopter parenting. Yet ironically, we hand these same protected children devices that connect them directly to potential predators. The statistics are alarming: 40% of surveyed kids reported someone attempting to groom them online, and 6% of children aged 9-12 have sent self-generated sexual content. Victims often remain silent due to shame and fear. The humiliation of falling for scams creates a powerful silencing effect. As Nick candidly shared about his own experience with cryptocurrency scammers: "It's not about the money. Losing the money sucks, don't get me wrong. But it's so humiliating." This shame multiplies exponentially with sexual content, especially for adolescents already navigating identity and social acceptance. A staggering 82% of young victims report being too scared to seek help. Open communication creates crucial safety nets. The most powerful protection isn't restrictive software or monitoring apps — it's creating an environment where kids know they can come to you without judgment if they make mistakes online. Make it crystal clear: "If you ever get into trouble online, I'm here for you, I'll support you, and you won't be punished because someone manipulated or tricked you." This simple assurance can be the emergency exit that leads vulnerable young people to seek help rather than spiraling deeper into exploitation. Having this conversation today could save your child from becoming a statistic tomorrow. Connect with Jordan on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at [email protected] and let him know! Full show notes and resources can be found here: See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts of Skeptical Sunday?
Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I'm here with Skeptical Sunday co-host, writer and researcher Nick Pell. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you.
Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker and during the week, We have long-form conversations with a variety of incredible people, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers and performers.
On Sundays, though, we do Skeptical Sunday, where a rotating guest co-host and I break down a topic you may have never thought about and debunk common misconceptions on that topic. Topics such as recycling, chemtrails, banned foods, GMOs, toothpaste, crystal healing, diet pills, energy drinks and more.
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Just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today we're going to be discussing a pretty gross topic, the sexual exploitation of adults and children. We wanted to put that up front because all kidding about triggering and stuff aside, we know that this is a very emotional topic for a lot of people.
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Chapter 2: What is sextortion and how does it happen?
And yes, it can trigger panic attacks and other emotional disturbances in people who are sensitive to that. So if you're one of those people who might find this difficult slash impossible to listen to, or you got young ones around, maybe skip this episode for now. All right. I got a really disturbing email a few days ago and it had me a little bit nervous.
It said that it had all kinds of evidence that I was a gross sexual pervert. Guilty. Pictures of me rubbing one out, so to speak. Even pictures of me and my wife in bed. Now, that would be bad enough. Aber die E-Mail hat auch gesagt, dass wenn ich nicht etwas ernsthaftes Geld verkaufe, in der Form von untraceable, oder eigentlich super traceable, Bitcoin, Kryptowährung.
Leute denken, es ist untraceable. Es ist die am meisten traceable Sache jemals. Es heißt die Blockchain, Leute. Sie werden all diese geheimen Informationen lecken. Sie werden es öffentlich machen. Glücklicherweise für mich, ich wusste, dass das ein Scam war, weil ich all diese Art von Scams in der Vergangenheit gehört habe. Viele Leute kennen es natürlich nicht besser.
Sie verlieren viel Geld, nicht zu erwähnen viel Schlaf, auf diesen Sexstorchen-Skams. Und in manchen Fällen können Menschen sogar sexuell verletzt werden von ihren Sexstorchenisten. Schlimmstens, viele Male sind Sexstorchenisten, das ist ein schwieriges Wort zu sagen, für mehrere Gründe, tatsächlich Kinder zu targetieren. Und danach etwas, das viel wertvoller ist als nur Geld.
Also wie behältst du dich und deine Kinder sicher? Und haben wir zu weit gegangen in unserem Wunsch, Kinder zu schützen, dass wir sie tatsächlich verletzen, anstatt sie zu helfen? Nun, es ist ein dreckiges Job und es ist eine Schande, dass jemand es macht. Hier, um mich zu helfen, alle ein bisschen sicherer auf der Internet zu halten, ist Schreiter und Forscher Nick Pell.
Also Nick, hast du jemals diese E-Mails gesehen? Ich fühle mich, dass sie diese Tage super üblich sind.
Oh yeah, I've gotten those. They're freaky.
No one wants to think about some weirdo watching you in your home, no matter what you're up to, no matter what you're doing. That's right. Like sleeping with your wife, being with your girlfriend, that's obviously disturbing. But it's kind of disturbing no matter what is going on, right?
I mean, even if you're just sitting there reading the New Testament like I always do every weeknight, you don't want some creepy weirdo using your home electronics to spy on you.
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Chapter 3: Are sextortion emails legitimate threats?
Sure, especially if you live in a developing country where that money goes really far. And, of course, you have zero morals about how you make your money in the first place. I suppose that's true. But how many people are actually falling for this? I wonder. Are there hard statistics on how often this is actually working?
Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 It's not terribly sophisticated or even much of a problem, except for the rare people who send them money. Weirdly, no one is really concerned with this type of sextortion. No one really seems to care.
I think there's a couple pretty obvious reasons why, and that's the people who fall for this scam, this type of sextortion scam, they're not real eager to go report the crime because... They maybe figured out that they got scammed and as a guy who has been scammed. Wait, did you pay us extortionist? No, I sent Russian dudes like 10 grand for cryptocurrency miners.
Yeah, that must have stung a little bit. It does. And I think it's worth taking some time to talk a little bit about how I felt afterward. It is so not about the money. Losing the money sucks. Don't get me wrong. $10,000 is $10,000. But it's so humiliating. You feel like some idiot boomer. I was so mad at myself for being so stupid.
And I was honestly more mad at myself that I wasn't the scammers.
Yeah, not that all boomers are idiots, but some boomers are. And they fall for stuff like this. And also millennials like you. So how do you know they were Russian? I'm a Gen Xer. Okay, whatever. Close enough. We're on the line. We're on the line, but I'm mad lazy and don't care about my work. Oh good, that's always a good quality in someone who works for this show.
How do you know the scammers were Russian? They're always Russian. Okay, I can't really argue with that logic. Okay, this is one of those, the views of Nick Pell are not endorsed by the Jordan Harbinger show. Anyway, did you report that? I did the first time. What do you mean the first time? This happened more than once? This happened twice in one week. Wow.
Okay, definitely let's talk about how you feel about that, because that's a kick in each nut.
I hate talking about this, so we can totally just move on now. But this was six months ago, and it still chaps my buns to think about it. Yeah, that makes sense. I get the idea of not bothering to report something because it seems so futile. What's the point? And the other thing is, if they get the victims once, there's a good chance they're going to get the victims again.
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Chapter 4: How common is sextortion, and how can you protect yourself?
Yeah, Krebs is a good site. They tend to veer away from the total batshit insanity and paranoia, which that's not productive or helpful either.
For sure. The last thing that anyone getting into this needs to do is become super paranoid and have their life grind to a halt. That's one of the unfortunate side effects of getting scammed. Some people get a little bit too conservative.
You have to be mindful. For example, there's a new addition to these phishing emails, extortion scams, where they send pictures of your house.
Oh, I have seen this. So I got a scam email without photos, and I shared it on an episode of this show on Feedback Friday. And a bunch of listeners were like, oh, I think I got the same email, but it had photos of the outside of their home. Because again, we're back to being freaked out about the very idea that somebody can see where you live.
If they send me photos of me in my house, now I'm scared. But this is like a photo of my garage. Okay. That's not too scary.
Yeah, it's the most generic low-res photo of the outside of your house that's on Zillow. Yes, exactly. How many times does the exterior of your house appear on the internet for anyone who has your address to find? Which is a really good segue into the question that I'm sure a lot of people who get these have, which is like, how do they know who I am? How do they know my name?
A lot of times they might have your address in it or like your phone number, your email, something like that. So... Wie haben sie das? Yeah, they're just buying data files off of, you know, dark, shadowy corners of the internet where people traffic in personal data. Your name and email, probably your address, maybe your social security number, your credit card numbers, they may be in there too.
What's not in the file of data that they bought off the dark web about you? Yeah, anything remotely incriminating at all? Absolutely correct. This is not how blackmailers work. Blackmailers show you the proof they have something they're gonna blackmail you with.
They don't say, hey man, I got naked pictures of you and here's the proof, it's your front door and the last four digits of your phone number.
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Chapter 5: Why are children at a higher risk of online exploitation?
Interpol's gonna grab you, they're gonna send the kid back. Zero evidence here, just a hunch. I think that in almost all of these dad took the kid across state lines or whatever, dad kidnapped the kid or mom kidnapped the kid or whatever it is, I think that
Wahrscheinlich ist die überwältigende Mehrheit von diesen Mischungskommunikationen oder die Eltern hatten einen informellen Vertrag und eine Partei hat sich an die andere Partei gefreut und sie haben sich entschieden, die Polizisten gegen die andere Eltern zu weppen.
Denken Sie, dass Leute das in großen Nummern tun?
Okay, so coming back to the topic at hand. So it's never been safer to be a kid. What's with the child sextortion thing? So the giant screaming asterisk next to the statement, there's never been a safer time to be a child, is the caveat that you have to be extremely careful about what your kids are doing online. The data on this is also very one-sided and clear.
Children are safer than they have ever been, unless... You include the things that can happen to them on the Internet.
And then it's game on. Kids don't just get grabbed in broad daylight anymore. It's super safe to be a kid outside now. But, yeah.
But on the Internet, it's a whole other ballgame. And I'm aware that one factor in making the world safer is the helicopter parenting. If you're always hovering over your kid, no one's going to take them. There used to be ads on television at 10 o'clock reminding parents that they had children. Ha! Es ist 10 Uhr.
Weißt du, wo deine Kinder sind? Das ist lustig. Hast du das je gesehen? Das ist lustig. Weißt du, wo deine Kinder sind?
Das ist lustig. Between the hours of 2 p.m. and 8 p.m. Any given day. That's true. No idea where I was.
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Chapter 6: How has child safety changed over the years?
It's not awkward. It's just very practical exercises that will make you a better connector, a better colleague, a better friend and a better peer. In 4 to 6 minutes a day, 5-minute networking was taken. That's all it takes. Now for the rest of Skeptical Sunday. Okay, so this seems like a good segue back into the sextortion of kids topic.
So walk us through what it's like when the sextortion scheme drops on a kid.
I was super shocked to find out that kids as young as nine report flirting with total strangers on the internet. And I was curious about the opposite sex at the age of nine, but I did not have Internet access.
I think that's the key difference. A lot of kids are just not getting the level of supervision that they need when they're staring at the box and the parents are sitting next to them reading. They have no idea what's going on.
1 in 3 Minors sagen, dass sie einige ihrer fremdesten Freunde online kennengelernt haben und 1 in 7 sagen, dass sie etwas einem Online-Freund gesagt haben, das sie noch nie jemand anderes gesagt haben.
Okay. Guck, vielleicht ist das eine Rezepte für einen Desaster. Dein Kind gibt Geheimnisse jemandem online und sie kennen nicht wirklich die Person, oder sie kennen die Person kaum, oder sie denken, sie kennen die Person, aber es ist eine andere Person.
Yes, absolutely. Which is a great way to start talking about the model of a predator and what they're going to do. So first they're going to set up a profile. It'll be a boy profile to target boys. Let's talk about... Ich weiß nicht, wie du das nennst, aber ich glaube dir. Ich habe das ständig in meinem Zuwanderer.
Also, du hast dieses Profil auf TikTok oder was auch immer es ist, das ein Kind benutzt. Und du fischst einfach an. Und es ist sehr normal, dass Tötungen eine Art haben. Aber sie können auch nicht nur Tötungen sein, in denen sie suchen, dass ein Kind persönlich verabschiedet wird. Sie könnten Gründer sein, die versuchen, Kinder für finanzielle Gewinn zu verabschieden.
A lot of show fans know I used to help the police catch pedos on America AOL way back in the 90s. And I will spare everyone that story. But the Internet and Predators are kind of an iconic duo. Keep walking us through how these creepy weirdos target kids. What's the groomer thing that you mentioned?
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Chapter 7: What are the impacts of helicopter parenting on child safety?
It's going to send their nudie pictures to half the school and it's just what the kids are doing these days. I think that's just untrue. I think parents have tons of influence over their kids, but Gute Kinder machen Fehler. Und sogar, Quote, Quote, schlechte Kinder müssen nicht getargetet und verletzt werden von Älteren, weil sie einen Fehler gemacht haben oder 100 oder 10.000.
Für alle Kinder, die zu diesem Thema hören, die in diesem Weg verletzt werden, müssen Sie diesen Podcast jetzt ausmachen und einen vertrauten Älteren sprechen. Vielleicht fühlen Sie sich nicht zufrieden, mit Ihren Eltern darüber zu sprechen, was passiert, also sprechen Sie mit einem Lehrer. Du würdest diesen Art von SEO-Eingabe lieben. Das ist richtig.
But yeah, I completely agree. And if you're a grown up, the weird Russian hacker does not have any pictures of whatever it is you do when you're alone.
That's right. It's a Chinese hacker who has all the goods. So put it back in your pants, your iPod that is, and make sure you take note of what we discussed today. So while this is all pretty grim material, I actually really appreciate you, Nick, for digging through. This is kind of a dirty one.
So, you educated us here and I know you had to sift through all that, so I really, I do appreciate that. Thanks everyone for listening. Topic suggestions for future episodes of Skeptical Sunday to jordan at jordanharbinger.com, show notes at jordanharbinger.com, advertisers, deals, discounts and ways to support the show, all at jordanharbinger.com slash deals.
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Ihr hört jetzt eine Vorlesung des Jordan-Harbinger-Shows mit Amanda Katarzy, die in einem Kult geboren wurde und später Sex und Arbeit verbreitet hat.
Die Frauen wurden trainiert, insensibel zu sein. Man konnte nie zu einem Mann Nein sagen. Und dann wurden die Männer in einem sehr militärischen Weg trainiert. Diese Menschen sind gut gearmt und gut trainiert. Und es ist ein ganzes Grupp, das denkt, dass die Welt dreckig ist und sie müssen die Welt mit ihren Leuten repopulieren, um das Königreich Gottes zu bringen.
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