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Faith Under Fire!

Fri, 25 Oct 2024

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Faith Under Fire! - Episode #14 Summary of the episode: In this investigative episode of The E.A.R. Podcast, titled “Faith Under Fire: Investigating Muslim Encounters and Evangelism,” host Brandon Queen interviews author Timothy Harris to explore the powerful narratives in chapters 39 through 41 of Loving Your Muslim Neighbor. Together, they dive into three eye-opening stories: “They Wanted to Arrest Me… For Fasting,” “Can You Believe It? God Loves the World!” and “And If You Go to Iraq, You Will Never See Your Grandchild Again.” Each story uncovers unique aspects of the journey of sharing faith with Muslim neighbors and the emotional, personal, and spiritual costs involved. Brandon and Timothy begin by exploring Muslim international students' unique challenges when navigating unfamiliar cultural landscapes, discussing how small gestures of friendship and support can reflect Christ’s love. They then examine the depth of God’s love and the nuanced difficulties of sharing faith in high-risk areas. Finally, Timothy opens up about the personal and emotional sacrifices involved in missions, sharing his experiences of confronting fears and embracing the costs of serving in challenging regions. Closing the episode, Brandon reminds listeners of the universal power of John 3:16, encouraging believers to love boldly wherever God has placed them. Meet the Guest: Timothy and Miriam speak in churches everywhere to educate, equip, and energize Christians to gain God’s heart for Muslim people and to love them. Please listen to Episode #1 of this season to learn more about Timothy and Miriam Harris. Calls to action: Please visit their website, www.lovingyourmuslimneighbor.com. You can also purchase a copy of the book and follow along this season! To contact Timothy and Miriam Harris, email them at [email protected]. Note: This podcast is part of the Christian Podcast Community. You can click here to access more episodes and similar podcasts. Works Cited: Cover Art: Brandon Queen | Bible Translations – English Standard Version (unless stated/noted in the interview) | Quotes: authentic from the host and guest (unless stated/pointed out during the podcast) | Song: Turkish Beat - Music by: Muzaproduction from Pixabay --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/elderqueen/support --- Support this podcast by subscribing to our Patreon page! CLICK HERE --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/elderqueen/support

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You can find my podcast and other podcasts similar to mine on the Christian Podcast Community at podcast.strivingforeternity.org.

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In his book.

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13.214 - 43.725 Brandon Queen

The Ear, Evangelical and Reformed Christian Podcast. Welcome to The Ear, the Evangelical and Reformed, a Christian podcast that urges you to think deeper and draws you closer to God through faith. Through powerful sermons, teaching segments, and discussions, The Ear hopes to give you a different perspective on secular topics from a Christian worldview. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

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Please welcome your host, Brandon Queen.

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Welcome back to the Ear podcast. I'm your host, Brandon Queen. And today I'm bringing them back, y'all, Timothy Harris. But this time we're going to have an episode with a little bit of an investigative twist as we explore powerful stories and hard hitting questions from chapters 39 to 41 in his book, Loving Your Muslim Neighbor. Joining us once again is the author Timothy Harris.

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And today we'll be digging into three key chapters. Timothy, welcome back, brother.

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91.427 - 98.942 Timothy Harris

Brandon, thank you so much, man. I'm excited. To be here with you and to just to dive into these stories. Yeah.

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Awesome. All right. Well, let's hit the ground running because we got a lot to cover. All right. So let's start with the shocking title of Chapter 39. They wanted to arrest me for fasting. You know, it really points it paints a picture of religious conflict here, even over something as personal as fasting. Now, Timothy, you recently recounted on an incredible story here.

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But let's approach this from an investigative angle. So why do you think Muslim international students who come to our country expect Christians to talk to them about faith matters?

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143.783 - 172.72 Timothy Harris

Well, let me, if I could tell the story that gave the title to this chapter 39. They wanted to, and he said, arrested me for fasting. It was just funny. You as a law enforcement person. So basically this was in June of 2014. Miriam and I were in Knoxville, Tennessee with some friends and we ate dinner. And then some of the friends said that they wanted some frozen yogurt.

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They saw a place that they had seen before around the corner. So we started walking there, and on the way there, I saw two young men walking. And I could just tell by then, we'd been in Muslim ministry for a while, and I could tell that they were Arabs. And I could tell kind of by their appearances that they were most likely from Saudi Arabia or from Yemen. And so...

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198.988 - 220.03 Timothy Harris

Miriam and the others went on into the yogurt place. I just said to her, I just want to kind of see if I can get these guys' attention and talk to them. So she went in with the others to the yogurt place, and I just shouted out to these two young men, salam aleikum, or as-salam aleikum, which in Arabic is peace be upon you, something they always say to one another.

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And so these two young men turned around as it happened to be. They were from Saudi Arabia. And they were kind of shocked. They saw this, you know, white guy with kind of white hair. And they're like, you know, who is this dude? And why is he, you know, I mean, is he a Muslim? What is he? Who is he?

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243.05 - 270.925 Timothy Harris

and so i just said hi and and invited them to join us um you know for yogurt and so they came in and it was just so cool brandon because miriam and i had i don't know maybe it was 45 minutes or an hour of conversation with them probably 40 minutes and it was pleasant conversation but but also it involved some talking about faith ours and theirs and so at one point though

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when I was asking them more about their lives here, one of them said that he had an experience in Texas the previous year. He was new to the U.S., and he said in his broken English, this was exactly the quote, they wanted to arrest me for fasting. And so I was just like, my brain was just going, okay, now what in the world is he saying? Like,

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Okay, I don't, I've been to Texas, but like, so I just said to him incredulously, what? I said, was it during Ramadan, which is the traditional time when Muslims don't eat, you know, during the day for 30 days, they're fasting as part of their religious faith and rituals. And so, but Miriam was so far ahead of me in understanding what this guy was trying to say. And so finally I got it.

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328.859 - 357.984 Timothy Harris

I understood. that the that the police in texas had wanted to arrest him not for fasting but because he was speeding and he didn't know the word for speeding so he just said fasting which It meant driving too fast. And it was just so funny. And then Miriam said, well, how fast were you going? And he said, 120. Oh, goodness. And we and our friends that were there were kind of gasping.

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And then he said, well, he said, you know, he wasn't mad at the policeman, you know, or the highway patrolman. He was literally mad at people back in Saudi Arabia because he said nobody explained to him before he came to America that you couldn't go that fast on the roads.

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I bet you he got kilometers mixed up with miles per hour.

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380.447 - 408.593 Timothy Harris

Maybe. I don't know. That's a good. Yeah. But anyway, he got pulled over and he was, you know, told us that story. It was humorous. But and then basically then he his friend sent a text And I just have it here in the book on page 195. He said, hello, Tim. This is Ferris. Sorry if I did bother you this evening.

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408.653 - 436.604 Timothy Harris

Just want to say it was really an honor for me to meet a man like you who's trying to understand the difficulties we encounter as people from another country. Now, here's what's convicting to me, Brandon, these next two paragraphs. He said, to be honest with you, I've lived in this country in the U.S. for two years and I have never had a spiritual conversation with an American. Yeah.

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436.864 - 453.836 Timothy Harris

And then the second thing he said, his second paragraph was that you and Miriam did not treat me as an alien like most people do. And I was amazed by that. And so, you know, it was it was kind of bittersweet, like, OK, it was sweet that he felt, you know, loved.

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by us, but the part was that in two years, no Christian had ever had ever engaged him in any form of a spiritual conversation and that most people treated him like he was from outer space. You know, yeah, that that definition of of alien. And so, yeah, I mean, I have found that Muslims, international students

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who come here, they really do think that we will talk to them about our faith because they are Muslims and they talk freely about their faith wherever they are. It's just part of their world all the time. Everything they do in their life is about their faith. Even words, I mean, your listeners might find this odd, but it shows how much their faith is involved in daily part of life.

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514.797 - 543.426 Timothy Harris

They even say certain words in Arabic as they go into the restroom. They even put a shoe on a certain foot first. They have all these sayings and habits, and it's like Leviticus on steroids. And so when they come here, they think we're the same way about our faith, And that we're going to live it and we're going to talk it.

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544.387 - 564.743 Timothy Harris

And when we don't say anything about our faith, it's just confusing to them. Because it's like, why wouldn't you talk about your faith? This is part of who we are and what we do. And so that's why I think they come here expecting Christians to talk to them about faith matters.

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Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. And it's it's true. I mean, let's be real, Tim. You and I both know Americans are busy. We got our heads in our phones. I mean, we don't even go to restaurants and have full on conversations anymore because everybody's buried in their phone eating their food. And it's it's not a connecting country anymore. If if you know what I mean by that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, put the phones down and have a conversation. Put your phone down and look around you. You know, you never know who's standing next to you or in your 36 inch circle, if you will. And it's important to keep our eyes open and affixed to that.

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But with that being said, what do you think would make a Muslim international student feel loved while they're in our country, especially when they face challenge challenges like the one you just described in the story?

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622.006 - 632.092 Timothy Harris

Well, that one is so easy. The main way to make a Muslim international student feel loved is to invite them to coffee.

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632.924 - 656.105 Timothy Harris

to a meal but ultimately this is it man to invite them to your home or apartment that is huge because um i know that um there's an organization called international students incorporated a great organization on college campuses around the us and their their sole purpose is to introduce

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657.641 - 678.801 Timothy Harris

get together Christians in communities around campuses, college campuses, with international students so they can meet and so they can show genuine friendship and kindness to the international student and then share the gospel. And I think Bridges International is another group that does this. It's part of CRU.

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680.767 - 703.304 Timothy Harris

Campus Crusade for Christ, they have a similar kind of organization to bring international students and Christians near their campus together. And what both of these groups have found is something like it's well over 80% of international students never in their whole time, whether it's two years, four years, six years,

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704.15 - 731.358 Timothy Harris

PhD, post-doc, whatever it is, well over 80% of international students never make it into an American home. And so, yeah, I think that to answer your question, what do you think would make a Muslim international student feel loved while they're in our country? Get together with them. Hang out with them. Learn about them. Bring them into your life.

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732.513 - 750.946 Timothy Harris

and invite them into your family or your, your friendships. If you're single and, and invite them into your home and feed them and feed them a lot, but also be careful what you feed them.

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Right.

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751.466 - 783.725 Timothy Harris

Right. No pork products, certainly no alcohol and so forth. But yeah, I mean, it's, We tell people in our seminars, we do seminars in churches around the country about Muslim outreach seminars, and we try to help Christians gain some tools. And we just really encourage them. You want to make inroads for the gospel with a Muslim person? It's all about relationship. Yeah.

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Are you willing to do, as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 2.8, We were pleased to give you not only the gospel, but our own lives as well.

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Right. And one of the things that I can I can glean from this story is, you know, you got somebody that's coming to this country. You know, we don't use the metric system like the other half of the world does. We use our own system. And I'm almost positive that that that guy, that kid, when he saw 120, he thought that was kilometers, you know, and as a cop.

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You know, I think I don't know what the cop did, but I think the cop did an amazing job at not arresting this kid and, you know, letting him know he couldn't go that fast and teaching him in that moment.

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Yeah.

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You know, this is what this means. And if we had cops that were bold about their faith, you know, we're in the public 24 seven. We meet all kinds of people day in and day out. we can use our platform, our career, if you will, To share the gospel. Now, obviously, we get told we can't proselytize. We can't do that.

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But there are ways you can still show grace while showing truth in your line of work. And I think if we did that, that would be a lesson that many of us can glean from moving forward when we're encountering people of different faiths from different countries during our witness and our evangelism and even becoming friends with these people.

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886.047 - 916.6 Timothy Harris

yeah that's so good that's so good and and man i mean hey a shout out to you brother i mean i know this isn't what we're gathering together for but thank you for your service in law enforcement because it's it's so needed and uh and you know you and i talked about stereotypes right yeah and so sometimes when when uh somebody in law enforcement does something wrong then people stereotype, right?

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917.08 - 939.409 Timothy Harris

They stereotype people in law enforcement. And we talked about this in the podcast, like nobody wants to be stereotyped. And it's true of Muslims as well. They don't want to be stereotyped as terrorists or as people who are here to take over and get rid of our constitution. Put in Sharia law.

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939.469 - 960.038 Timothy Harris

They mostly they just they want to come here, have a better life, raise a family, have, you know, kids and grandkids and and die in peace. And so, yeah, they don't want to be stereotyped. And and man, I know you as a law enforcement official, you don't want to be stereotyped in a negative way either.

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Right. Absolutely. I mean, I know my character and I know whose I am and I know who I am and what my identity is fixed upon. So, yeah, I don't you know, I have to do stereotypical profiles every now and again, but I try not to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. I like to give everybody the benefit of doubt until I get to know them, you know. Yeah.

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988.261 - 1000.727 Timothy Harris

Yeah. Amen. And that's what you're just saying, whether it's law enforcement or it's witnessing, sharing the gospel. Yeah. One size doesn't fit all. Get to know the person. Find out who they are. Yeah.

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Absolutely. Now let's talk about chapter 40. The title is Can You Believe It? God Loves the World. So this this chapter's title is so simple, yet it is the foundation of the gospel message. In this story, we see how this truth impacts a Muslim background believer. And this person who who had just come to faith. So I don't want to do this to you, Tim, but I have to ask you this tough question.

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Why do you think God would bring a Muslim background believer home soon after entering the kingdom of God?

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1042.393 - 1078.274 Timothy Harris

Boy, I tell you, man, that was brother. That was my question. So, yeah, the story is that we had a dear friend, a Muslim guy, a form. I want to say a former Muslim passed away in December of 2014. So almost now, 10 years ago. We had been reaching out to him along with some other followers of Jesus. We'd been reaching out to this guy for at least three years, loving on him, helping him.

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1078.294 - 1095.082 Timothy Harris

He had bad health, bad kidneys, so he needed a lot of service. So we took him places and just helped him in so many ways, mowed his grass, shoveled snow, cleaned out the eaves of his house, just take him to the doctor, the pharmacy, the

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iraqi consulate just lots of stuff and ultimately what happened was um he um i was just sharing with him and another friend and i was just sharing once again the gospel and we just shared john 3 16 and he was stunned it was that day brandon it hit him the gospel truth pierced his soul and he said He said, Tim, can you believe it? This verse says that God loves the world.

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And that means he loves me, an Arab and a Muslim. And then he went on to say that he said, I thought I had for so long thought that that your Bible only teaches that God loves... He didn't know. He said, I thought your Bible said that God only loves Christians and Jews. And now I believe that the Bible says that God of the Bible loves me. And he put his faith in Jesus, man. It was just...

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1171.312 - 1200.933 Timothy Harris

It was dramatic and beautiful and wonderful. And, oh, I was so excited. That was November of 2014, but then maybe October. And then he said right after that, he said, I've got to go back to Iraq to take care of some things related to pension, where I was teaching in a university. And we begged him. not to go because by that time his kidneys were so bad.

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And the doctor wanted him to go on dialysis and he wouldn't do it. He had a neighbor that went on dialysis and he said that that person died within a year. And so he was just determined he wasn't going to do it. He was going to, you know, diet and this and that. Well, he did go back to Iraq. And in December, as I alluded to right at the beginning of 2014, he died. He died in Iraq.

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It was just, it was so painful. Apparently, he had taken for so long, he had taken so many painkillers that I think it might have ruined his kidneys or something. I don't know what happened, but he just needed constant blood transfusions after he got over to Iraq. And finally he died. But I want you and your listeners to hear this beautiful thing, man. Oh, my gosh.

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I got to talk to him on the phone when he was in the hospital in Iraq before he died, and he quoted John 3.16 over the phone.

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Beautiful.

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1273.553 - 1305.456 Timothy Harris

I mean, it's just, oh, man. I mean... Yeah, I still remember him saying it that day before. Can you believe it, Tim? God loves the whole world. That means he loves me. Beautiful. Yeah, but when he died, oh my goodness. You're asking, why would God let this man come to Jesus and then die soon after entering the kingdom? And I tell you, man, believe me, that was my question of God.

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And brother, if I could just share this with you and with your audience, I was so hurt and angry at God. I just was so befuddled, so confused, and just so hurt. And I told God about it, man. I didn't speak irreverently to him, but I guarantee you I spoke honestly to him. And I asked him why. And I just dug into some Psalms and I dug into a Tim Keller book on suffering.

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1346.106 - 1365.195 Timothy Harris

And I'm just so thankful, Brandon, that we have a God that will let us go to him in absolute, complete honesty with our questions and our hurts. And he's big enough to take it and to love us through it.

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1366.471 - 1389.851 Timothy Harris

and and you know we have these people today that they're quote unquote deconstructing right leaving the faith and i think a lot of the problem is when they have questions and hurts they're not going to god with it they're going to other people yep you know and job went to god with his complaints and his concerns and his anguish david

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went to God and he had those questions that we all ask in suffering sometimes. Why and how long? And we've got Jesus on the cross saying, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Quoting Psalm 22. And so, wow. I mean, I don't know. Man, I don't know why God let him die. I just have no idea to this day. But I know the Bible says that God is good. What he does is good.

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1425.661 - 1463.137 Timothy Harris

I know the Bible says there's no evil in God. There isn't a shadow of evil in him. And the Bible tells us that God is all wise. He's all loving. He's in control. And so I was finally able to accept that. my friend's death, and leave his soul in the hands of God. I knew he was with Jesus. And, man, so, yeah, I never got the answer. But I did get more intimacy with God through the questions.

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Yeah, just by listening to that story, it seems like your friend did not find true peace until he accepted Christ. And upon accepting Christ, he found true peace, and then he went to be in that peace.

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1477.858 - 1505.876 Timothy Harris

Yes, brother. Oh, man, if you could have seen him, I still remember once we were talking. We had to go to some office, and the man who ran the office where we went was a Muslim. Palestinian Muslims. And my friend Ali, this brand new believer, what does he do? All he knows really at this point is John 3.16.

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1506.276 - 1533.362 Timothy Harris

And he just goes in with me and we're talking to this guy and all of a sudden he just starts sharing John 3.16 with this Palestinian Muslim. I was so proud of him because he just had this joyful, what you said, this peace, He had this childlike faith that was so precious. I love to see new believers, man, in their childlike faith. It's so beautiful and so special.

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1534.182 - 1549.695 Timothy Harris

And I remember saying to him in the car, he got back in the car, I said, man, I said, Ali, I'm so proud of you sharing John 3.16 with that guy. And he said, well, why not? He said, why not? Why shouldn't I? It was just so logical to him.

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Very good question. You know, and for my listeners, you know, how do you think you would react if you had poured your life into a Muslim friend and they had chosen to follow Christ? And then shortly after they died, what would you be thinking? You know, for my listeners that that's the question I want you to ponder. And I want to turn to the book real quick. And let me see.

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I think I lost my page here. It's the part that says, though I am in pain, they have all my attention.

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1589.439 - 1590.662 Timothy Harris

Oh yeah.

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You know, and for me, you know, I'm dealing with some some issues right now with a family member that's, you know, sick and all of us. You know, she has all of our attention right now and all of our prayers right now, you know, and we need to be intentional with people we meet because we don't know what they're going through at that time. And they just might need to hear the gospel at that time.

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because that could be their final moments. And if they don't hear the gospel in their final moments, their blood is on our hands.

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1627.297 - 1653.696 Timothy Harris

Oh boy. That's a, yeah. Oh my. Yeah. Oh my. Yeah. It's a, Oh gosh. I'm not laughing. Cause it's humorous. I'm laughing. Cause it's just like, yeah, man. Sometimes you can't, when there aren't any words, sometimes you, you laugh, but yeah, he, This whole thing that you read that quote, though I'm in pain, it has all my attention. They have all my attention.

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1654.016 - 1679.324 Timothy Harris

He was referring to these videos that we started watching with him called Al-Masirah, which is Arabic for the journey. And they were excellent videos done by Arab believers around the Middle East about the Bible. and how it came to be, and the messages in the Bible from the prophets all the way up to Jesus.

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1679.884 - 1702.902 Timothy Harris

And we were watching that with him, and he was referring to the pain in his kidneys, which I really didn't know. I really didn't know, Brandon, that even at that point, he was slowly dying. Yeah, I wasn't aware of it, but man... the Lord just brought him to himself just right before he died.

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1702.962 - 1713.351 Timothy Harris

And so I guess the more I think about it, instead of being angry with God that he died, I should be so thankful to God that he didn't die without Christ.

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Right, absolutely.

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1715.613 - 1721.238 Timothy Harris

Yeah, that God grabbed his heart right before he died. It was so beautiful.

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Now, I want you to reflect on this. What kind of fears or anxieties have you experienced in relation to going on a mission trip or mission trips or sharing the gospel, especially in contexts where danger is a reality?

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1740.739 - 1751.567 Timothy Harris

Well, I don't know if you want to do it or not, but that's a perfect segue into segment three, the next chapter, because I can sure tell you about fear and anxiety I had about a mission trip.

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All right, let's let's hear it.

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1754.637 - 1779.678 Timothy Harris

All right, so yeah, the next chapter is chapter 41, and the title of it is, If You Go to Iraq, You Will Never See Your Grandchildren Again. So this ties into the story that you and I were just talking about,

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1781.639 - 1824.35 Timothy Harris

it was my friend Ali died as I mentioned in Iraq and I just felt like God gave me in the beginning of 2015 a real strong desire to go to Iraq to meet his family and do two things number one express my sincere condolences for their loss and And number two, share the gospel with them. And so as I began to contemplate that, I heard the clearest voice. I mean, it was not audible, but it was so real.

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1825.271 - 1860.536 Timothy Harris

And the voice said the words that are the title of this chapter, if you go to Iraq, You will never see your grandchildren again. And man, I tell you, Brandon, those words were like they created a real fear because and a deep, profound sadness because and also confusion because I thought, man, God, is this your voice? It doesn't sound scary. Is it your voice just saying, Mark, count the cost?

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1860.616 - 1886.213 Timothy Harris

Because if you go, this is going to be it. So are you willing to go and never see your grandchildren again, knowing that you're going to die on this trip? Or I thought, you know, is it the evil one? Is it Satan that's trying to scare me into not going? And so it was just really hard to discern it.

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1887.288 - 1918.354 Timothy Harris

And there were a couple of, it's too long to go into, but this is one of my favorite chapters in the book. I have never, Brandon, in my life before or since known such fear. Wow. Yeah, such fear related to death and to death in a violent way. Because I would say that for years up to that point, I had had a fear of being kidnapped in the Middle East and beheaded.

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1919.735 - 1945.892 Timothy Harris

And I really felt when I heard that voice that that was what was going to happen, that I was going to go to southern Iraq where people don't go. And I remember going to get a visa at the Iraqi consulate, and a Christian was in there, and he said to me—he was a pastor— A Christian pastor from a Christian background, he said, so what are you doing in here?

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1945.953 - 1967.85 Timothy Harris

You know, because I was the only white guy in there with Miriam. And he said, so why are you in here? I said, well, I'm going to Iraq. And I told him why. And he said, what are you thinking? He said, they'll kill you. He said, I would not go back to Iraq again. for a million dollars. He said, they'll kill you. They have to kill you. It's in their book.

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1968.371 - 1990.28 Timothy Harris

And he literally, Brandon, got up and walked out of the consulate. Wow. It was just the strangest thing. And Miriam and I are looking at each other like, what just happened? Was this guy sent here as a warning? Or was he sent here, you know,

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1991.511 - 2013.188 Timothy Harris

kind of like when Peter told Jesus, pulled him aside when Jesus said he was going to go to Jerusalem and die, and Peter, you know, pulls him aside and says, Lord, this will never happen to you. And Jesus, you know, rebuked him and said, you know, get behind me, Satan. You are speaking about man's interests, not the interests of God.

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2014.449 - 2046.041 Timothy Harris

And it took real time, but Miriam and I prayed about it, and we realized that peter had a human love for jesus and did not want him to die but that human love was getting in the way of god's mission for jesus and this man had a human care for me but it was getting in the way of a calling that god had for me to go to iraq share my condolences and and share the gospel

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2047.259 - 2079.927 Timothy Harris

And just to finish up that story related to your question about how afraid have I ever been? Well, I went to Iraq, and I was in Jordan the night before I was to fly into Iraq, and I felt incredibly sick to my stomach out of fear. And I called Miriam in the States, and I don't even know what she prayed about. But whatever she prayed for me over the phone, that fear just went down.

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2079.947 - 2089.674 Timothy Harris

It just totally went away to where I had maybe a little bit of normal anxiety about the unknown, but I didn't have paralyzing fear anymore.

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2089.934 - 2090.595 Unknown

Praise God.

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2091.075 - 2120.811 Timothy Harris

Yeah. And I went to Iraq and my mom, who was at that time in her 80s, she's now about 99. She was about 40. 80 something then. She prayed that while I was in Iraq, that people wouldn't notice me in that city. Brandon, it's the wildest thing. I walked around that huge city of Basra, Iraq, with the relatives of my friend Ali, who died.

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2121.852 - 2145.94 Timothy Harris

And I did not see a single, not just an American, I didn't see a Westerner anywhere. And yet no one ever stared at me, looked at me, nothing. It was like I was invisible, just like my mom prayed. Wow. Yeah. And God took away that paralyzing fear of not just danger, but of death and gave me a peace while I was there.

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2146.16 - 2158.325 Timothy Harris

And I, brother, I got to share the gospel and even give New Testaments in English and Arabic. to my friend's family and his wife's family. It was amazing.

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2159.006 - 2168.15 Unknown

Wow. Praise God. So in those times of your deep fear, what lessons has God taught you about himself?

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2169.271 - 2205.647 Timothy Harris

Oh boy, that's such a good question. You know what? One of the most beautiful things he taught me about himself was that just what Paul said, even if we are faithless he remains faithful oh man i mean it was like it was like he was showing me you know tim this fear isn't good you know it's natural it's normal but it's not good it's it's not faith but i love you in the midst of of your fear

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2206.873 - 2233.673 Timothy Harris

I love you in the midst of you not having the faith that I wish you had and trust in me. And it was just so cool. I mean, I remember I just came home and I got to say that experience of him loving me in my lack of faith, that experience, that whole thing about Iraq, I thought about it every day for a few years.

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2234.827 - 2267.681 Timothy Harris

It was just so impactful that God would love me even if I wasn't a spiritual giant, even if I didn't have faith and trust in him. He was going to still love me and be faithful. You know, that Hebrew word hesed in the Old Testament, it's a word for loving kindness. It's translated or it's faithful love. It's covenant love. And he proved himself to me that way. So, oh, man. Yeah.

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2268.021 - 2269.182 Timothy Harris

So thankful to him.

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2269.942 - 2301.971 Unknown

Wow. Well, I don't know how else to close this out, but I do want to read a few things. So. This quote says, look straight ahead and fix your eyes on what lies before you. Mark out a straight path for your feet. Don't get sidetracked. Then you have three scriptures and I'm going to read them all together because it sounds so beautiful.

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2302.011 - 2328.588 Unknown

The Bible is such a great book that you can remove who wrote it and it all flows together. It says that I have called you by name. You are mine. Don't be afraid for I am with you. Don't be discouraged for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you. I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. Oh, magnify the Lord with me and let us exalt his name together.

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2329.169 - 2359.849 Unknown

I sought the Lord and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears. This poor man cried and the Lord heard him and saved him out of all his troubles. That was Isaiah 43 verse 1, Isaiah 43 verse 10, and Psalm 34 verses 3 to 6. So if I can offer that encouragement, that is what I would like you guys to focus on today. And Timothy.

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2361.15 - 2389.055 Unknown

as always it has been such an eye-opening conversation and your stories they keep highlighting real challenges and fears and joys of engaging with muslims and stepping out in faith in dangerous places and as we wrap up i want everyone to be encouraged with the hesedness of the gospel like we have to be

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2389.895 - 2421.59 Unknown

Whether we're called to missions overseas or we're called to engage with Muslim neighbors here at home. Remember that God's love for the world as we see it in John 3 16. It's powerful and it can break through any barrier. Thank you, Timothy, for being with us today and for providing this book for us, giving us insight and preparing the next generation, if you will, to deal with Muslim people.

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2422.431 - 2423.471 Unknown

Thank you so much, brother.

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2425.093 - 2428.335 Timothy Harris

Thank you so much. It's such an honor to always be with you.

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2429.155 - 2447.922 Unknown

Well, praise God for that. Well, that's all I have for this episode of The Ear. Don't forget to subscribe, like, review and leave a comment and share this episode with somebody that needs to hear it. Until next time, keep loving, keep serving and keep proclaiming the truth of the gospel.

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2448.302 - 2473.648 Brandon Queen

God bless you. You have reached the end of yet another episode from the ear. We hope that God's word remains on the ears of the listeners. We pray that this podcast would urge you to go forth and spread his good news to the world. Thank you for tuning in. Please don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. See you at the next episode. God bless you and may his glory shine upon you.

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