Brad Meltzer shares his powerful origin story; from growing up in a one-bedroom apartment with six family members to becoming a 13-time New York Times bestselling author. This episode dives deep into the legacy of empathy, the strength behind kindness, and how rejection, struggle, and personal loss can shape greatness. If you feel stuck, this conversation will light your path. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What challenges did Brad Meltzer face growing up?
When I was 13 years old, my dad lost his job and we had nothing left. We moved down to Florida just for a free place to stay. My mom, my dad, my sister, myself, and two grandparents in a one bedroom apartment. And everyone in the condominium, because it was Florida, of course, is trying to get us evicted, saying you can't have that many people in such a small space.
A stranger across the hallway from my grandmother sees what's happening to my family. And she comes to my grandmother and says, listen, I see what's going on there. I'm going to move out. Why don't you take my apartment for a couple of weeks so your family can get back on their feet? But as a kid, I always heard her name as Mercy. And make no mistake, Mercy is what she showed us.
Today, cruelty and venom and harshly judging those we disagree with, it's become sport in our culture. But cruelty and venom aren't signs of strength. They're signs of weakness and petty insecurity. What takes strength is showing kindness and showing empathy. Sarah French, what up?
This one's luck. I let the pain inspire me. I put my all in everything I'm doing. Up until it's done, I'm me for the entirety. I put in overtime. I be working. Just know I'm a go for mine. Cause I earned it. They watching. I know it's time. I confirmed it. The whole society determined.
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode. I am your host, Sean French, and before I introduce today's amazing guest, please go subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts, and let everybody know what you love about the show. Share it with somebody you know, love, and trust that needs to hear this message of kindness, empathy, and overall badassery.
So today, I have with me an American novelist, Brad Meltzer, who is, get this, 13 for 13 on the New York Times bestsellers list. Everything he touched,
turns into gold brad what's up buddy welcome to the show brother good to see you so good to see you man i'm a big fan of your work i've before um even having the prospect of being able to interview you um i have i've seen your name in your face um so i am familiar with your work but getting to know you briefly you're just i think it's important to start off with this so the audience knows what they're getting into you are a very kind human being i i appreciate that um
You know, it's funny, my father, And this is, I love when podcasts immediately turn into free therapy. My dad was someone who used to like, he just had a temper. He was struck by lightning and his father was struck by lightning, which means my grandfather and my father were both struck by lightning. Do not hang out with me in a thunderstorm.
Yeah, I'm not going to. I wanted to, but now I don't.
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Chapter 2: How did kindness and empathy impact Brad's family during hard times?
They'd screw things up, but boy, always knew they loved me. I remember when there was a group of bullies who came and started, you know, they were all picking on me. They were five years older than me in Brooklyn. And I went up, they put like, remember those itchy balls, those things you, that like once you put in someone's hair, they won't come out.
Okay.
And they were like, come play with us, come play with us. And then when I went there, they just jumped me. And I remember coming upstairs crying. I mean, I was so upset. I couldn't have been like, eight years old. And I remember my dad was like, where are they? And he ran downstairs, grabbed the main bully by his throat, lifted him into the air, his feet this far off the ground.
And I remember looking up and him saying, if you touch my son again, I'm going to kill you. And I remember in that moment going, I don't know who I'm rooting for here. I really thought my father... I'm like, this just turned really bad.
Yeah.
And so... And I tell you that because he had that terrible side, but boy, if you messed with us, you got the whirlwind. And so that love, even in his worst moments, we never doubted he loved us. And I think for me... You know, if you don't have that, that's the hole that you never fill. But I always had that.
And so when I was talking about it, when I was dealing with it, I could always at least fall back on that foundational thing as I knew for all the other faults, my parents loved me.
Yeah, that's an interesting story. I have a similar story, not, you know, my mom or dad choking somebody, but I can remember, you know, because I grew up in California and I lived in this place called Kinwall Apartments. It wasn't in the best area. You know, I was young. We didn't have anything, didn't have any money.
And at one point I'm walking along, going to play with my friends in the apartment complex, right? And these guys upstairs were shooting BBs at me. And I don't know how old they were. They were probably mid-20s, early-30s, right? Or something like that. I'm not sure. But I went home and told my mom. I was like, hey, these guys in the apartment, whatever number it was, they're shooting BBs at me.
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Chapter 3: What role did Brad's father play in shaping his views on anger and kindness?
And but here's the here's the part you don't know about that story is every day that I sit down to write. And here's the part. The 23rd and 24th rejection letter, I thought were going to be acceptance letters. There were two publishers that actually said, we love this book. Can you come meet us? Because we want to make a bid on it. So I met two of those editors. I went to New York.
I met with them, had big meetings. And I was in all this debt at that time. I had law school debt. I had college debt. I was just up to my ears in debt. My agent said, we're going to get you out of debt. We're going to sell this book. There's going to be a bidding war on number 23 and 24. Someone's going to buy it. You're going to get out of debt, Brad. I said, great.
She told me to sit by my phone. She's going to call me with the number to tell me because back then there were no cell phones. And I picked up the phone expecting her to tell me, here's how much you're going to get for your book when you're going to be out of debt. And I'll never forget, I picked up the phone and I'll never forget the words. She said, sorry, kiddo.
And my heart sank because it means 23 and 24 are both out too. They didn't want it either. And every day, Sean, here's my secret, that I sit down to write, I replay that moment. I picture the phone that was in my hand. It was one of those clear see-through phones. You could see the wires because that seemed high tech.
Yeah, those were cool.
They were cool. I picture the desk on my left with the swivel lamp every college kid has. On my right is a bed and a box spring. That's all I had. There was no headboard or anything fancy. I look over the balcony. There's an empty gross parking lot and a fire station with three doors. I count the doors in my head. One, two, three. And then I say those words to myself. Sorry, kiddo.
Because I never, ever want to think I made it. I never, ever want to think I got it all figured out. I never, ever want to be anything but thankful. for this life I've been lucky enough to have. And for 27 years, every day I sit down to write, sorry, kiddo, sorry, kiddo, sorry, kiddo. That's my magic trick.
And see, and that's what I love, right? And for the audience, as we land the plane on this episode is, Choose to get the lesson out of that. You've wrote many, many books, and they've all been successful, but that one moment was the pivotal moment in your life and your career. You could have said, you know what? I just don't have it. I'm just not going to do it. And one major...
I guess you would say a similarity to all successful people is that they have that moment where they are rejected that last time that kind of just breaks the ice. And it's like, you know what? I'm going to go hard. I'm going to continue to go hard. And one day this is going to be successful. And that's what you've done.
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