The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Enough With These Good Murderers (feat. Ronan Farrow)
Thu, 27 Mar 2025
Come to this hour to hear from Ronan Farrow about the mechanics of how a journalist vets a story, and stay to learn why four different people on the show almost laughingly yelled "MEIN KAMPF" simultaneously. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the history of tequila's invention?
Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila. Cuervo. What are you doing here?
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
Cuervo.
Cuervo.
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Chapter 2: Why does Ronan Farrow reject 'good murderers'?
Always made happier when I see this radiant face. This guy zigs when others are zagging. You don't care about journalism. You hate journalism. He's great at journalism. Better than just about anybody. And if you're a murder podcast person, he's not interested in the good murderers. He's interested in very bad murderers. Wow. Enough with these good murderers, man. I'm sick and tired.
Enough with these good murder podcast content things.
I'm tired of them.
I wanted to go another way. Ronan Farrow with us. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, obviously, contributing writer at The New Yorker. He's got a new Audible original podcast, Not a Very Good Murderer. And he explores the fact checking process with a volatile source. By accident, we didn't actually do this on purpose.
Chapter 3: How does Ronan Farrow vet volatile sources in journalism?
We were talking about journalism and the fact checking process. And I'm wondering, Ronan, when you don't have... credible source or you have a volatile source what goes into the reporting of this particular sort story I'm always interested in the subjects that you choose and thank you as always for joining us
Yeah, it's always a pleasure. It's always such a good conversation with you guys. I try to capture over the course of the four and a half hours of this series the answer to that question. I feel like this series doesn't neatly fall into one category. It's not one thing. And one of the layers of it is at a time when the press is under attack. There's dwindling trust in the press.
I wanted to show the mechanics of how a journalist goes about vetting, in this case, a really politically explosive allegation. And I headed off into this wealthy, gated community in the desert, Paradise Valley, Arizona, to try to assess the question you raised. Was the source at the center of this credible? And then you have these other layers that flow from this.
You have, you mentioned volatility, a relationship that is the backbone of this series that is really wild. I mean, this is about a former pageant queen. Her name is CeCe Doan. And as I'm vetting her, I start to realize that she's been connected to this improbable series of unsolved crimes. you know, an arson allegation.
There's a period of time where the FBI investigated her for allegedly sending death threats to her own family. There's a police investigation into whether she tried to hire a hitman to kill one of her husbands, and then another investigation into whether she tried to kill another husband with Viagra. Overdosing him deliberately was the claim.
As I looked into that, to your point about volatility, the relationship with her became really complex because she wouldn't stop calling and she kept coming back for more interviews. So there was clearly an attraction there, but also she was furious And at one point, you know, she threatens to punch me actually now as of our latest conversations, multiple points.
So you get to really see this this kind of rise and fall of a very intense, complicated relationship. And then finally, you know, I thought that this series was consequential because she represents someone who's at a lot of our dinner tables and a lot of our like Thanksgiving meals and a lot of our communities. She is very, very steeped in the kind of Fox News Breitbart spectrum of at times.
I'll just say it as a as a reporter where I'm very committed to the facts. It's disinformation at times. You know, I'm not saying everything on those platforms falls into that category, but some of the things that she embraces, like the idea that Donald Trump won the 2020 election You know, the idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
There are certain things that come up in our conversations where it's clear that she represents a really significant part of this country's population in terms of disinformation culture. And that's something I'm very interested in. So the show kind of becomes a blueprint for not only can I solve these crimes, And can I use this person as a source credibility wise?
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Chapter 4: What challenges does Ronan Farrow face with disinformation?
But also, how do we deal with this phenomenon in our culture of people who live in denial, maybe as in this case about themselves and and also about the world around them?
So did she trust you and did you now confirm her already held belief that the media can't be trusted?
I think that any treatment of this subject, no matter how delicate and sensitive and meticulous in the fact checking, was going to trigger a firestorm and, in her eyes, a confirmation of the untrustworthy leftist qualities of the media. I will say that over the course of this series,
One of the leitmotifs that emerges is blackouts that she claims to have blacked out her memories of many of these alleged crimes. You know, her response in a lot of cases isn't a firm denial. It's a well, I don't remember.
And and she attributes that to a combination of struggles with alcoholism, which, you know, I think is is a part of the series that a lot of people and a lot of families will relate to. There's a very forthright discussion of the substance abuse part of this.
and also i think to just not wanting to confront some of this stuff i think it's a mix of both and so the the silver lining here in answer to your question is there are parts of this show where she actually starts to confront some of these things she's done in her past and to acknowledge well maybe maybe it's possible i did do this maybe it's possible i did say this
and like members of her family for instance have reached out to me it's a very complicated portrait of a family as well and she's you know been accused of being abusive by her kids and so on people have reached out and said this is a really cathartic series for for them to watch within that family and and i've i've been also heartened to hear from people not connected to this family who have just listened to it out in the world and said this reminds me of my mother this reminds me of someone i know and it's it's helped me process
Ronan, I'm sorry to do this to you in a public fashion, but Billy's quite the anarchist today, and he's pointed out to me, how can we trust anyone in journalism when this person, who's a Pulitzer Prize winner, clearly has fake books behind him?
Thermostat growing out of one of your books there.
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Chapter 5: What is the story behind the police and Sean Williams?
Be part of that group. I'm telling you, I'm better for it. Have it in my office. Sometimes I can put on the baseball game. Sometimes I can put on a soccer match. Some other times I'm totally locked in on an emo playlist. Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at OnePeloton.com.
Dan Levitard. We're going to win. Stugatz. We're going to win. What an old reference. This is the Dan Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
i'm gonna wait until a home run is hit preferably on the very first pitch the marlins throw this season uh to talk about the marlins new home run sculpture because they moved out a multi-million dollar uh colorful fiasco that david samson loves but very few other people did and now have a new home run thing that spews water. And so we'll all get to see that together and then talk about it.
David Sampson, incidentally, in the postgame with Jujugati, we're finally going to do that germaphobe off to see which of them is a little bit crazier. So that's coming up in a little bit. But before we do that, because I'm unsatisfied with our tournament.
I want to create another tournament, and I just want to play a bunch of iconic sounds here and get from you guys what the seedings on this are and should be. So the 16 seed in a different tournament, the one I'd prefer to do than the one Billy and others are trying to passive-aggressively bother me with, but is a great celebration of our fans who are in general population. That you love so much.
Yeah, more than anyone. By the way, the prize for that was supposed to be going to the championship game with you. That would have been a prize, huh? You would have liked that. And then they told me, no, we're not doing this.
You put me in a position where I have to sound like I'm against watching a game with one of our most loyal fans because of how you've done this tournament. And because you don't like gen pop, apparently.
Atop your ivory tower.
Shangri-La. While wearing a silk robe of some sort behind a velvet rope. Touch the hem of my garment. Number 16. That's AOL Instant Messenger? I asked for some of the most iconic sounds in the history of sound.
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Chapter 6: Why are fake books a topic of discussion in journalism?
In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous. In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victim Unit. This is not a sound.
These are their stories. That would have been a good sound.
These are their stories. Is this what you blew off our fans for?
Those are the things. Number 10. You guys aren't doing this right. I don't know what song that is. I know it's some sport tonight. Number nine.
That's a sound. That's a sound. That's a sound. That's a sound, yeah. Go ahead. What else we got? Number eight.
Just cartoon music? Oh, it's X-Men. Number seven.
This is... Come on, Amin! It's Back to the Future. It's a great sound, though. But it's a song. It's not a sound. Didn't we have another Back to the Future? Yeah, the one you guys played the other day. That's a sound.
Two AOLs and two Back to the Futures in the most iconic sounds in the history of sound. Number six. Yo quiero Taco Bell.
Oh, yeah. Terrific. Dude, were you old enough for that?
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Chapter 7: What are the most iconic sounds according to the show?
Chapter 8: How does Peloton contribute to fitness journeys?
Well, for this to work comedically, they need to be short. That was short. I know. That was two seconds. I know. No, I'm saying that that's the correct way to do it. That's not the incorrect way to do it. Number two. That's a song. A great song, but a song nonetheless. How do our tournaments keep getting worse?
Life finds a way, Dan.
Number one. It's a song, but it's not number one.
Get me a new 16. Yeah, just let it play out.
Get me a new 16. I want to do something different with all of this. Let's talk about March Madness in a different way. We're going to get to Jessica and Taylor. Somehow Taylor has invaded the show again. Les Taylor is a life principle for me.
He's a good producer.
Yeah, and he was on Pitchcock yesterday, too. I've got so much proof of that in the last 16 sounds.
To be fair, he wasn't part of that.
Are you sure?
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