Over the past week, President Donald J. Trump dramatically ceded the stage to Elon Musk in the Oval Office, turned the Democratic mayor of New York City into a political pawn and ensured that Vladimir Putin begins peace talks with Ukraine on Russia’s terms.The Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Maggie Haberman, David E. Sanger and Zolan Kanno-Youngs sit down and discuss the latest week in the Trump administration.Guests: Maggie Haberman, a White House correspondent for The New York Times.David E. Sanger, the White House and National Security Correspondent for The New York Times.Zolan Kanno-Youngs, a White House correspondent for The New York Times.Background reading: Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk are hunting hunt for corruption, but very selectively.Mr. Trump says his call with Mr. Putin is the beginningis beginning of the Ukraine peace negotiations.How the Jjustice Ddepartmentt. helped sink its own case against Eric Adams.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: The New York Times. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Chapter 1: What recent events are being discussed in Trump's presidency?
From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Today. Over the past week, President Trump dramatically ceded the stage to Elon Musk in the Oval Office, turned the Democratic mayor of New York City into a kind of political pawn, and ensured that Vladimir Putin begins peace talks with Ukraine on Russia's terms.
To make sense of all of that, I turned to three of my colleagues, White House reporters Maggie Haverman, David Sanger, and Zolin Kano-Youngs. It's Friday, February 14th. Friends, welcome back to The Roundtable. But first, happy Valentine's Day.
Happy Valentine's Day, Michael.
Thank you, Michael.
Happy to spend it with you.
I mean, who else would you spend it with?
I can think of one person. I can, too.
I can, too. You have a wonderful husband. David, appreciate you joining us from Munich. I was going to say from Paris, city of love.
That was the plan, but you changed location since we... Oh, that was two days ago with Vice President Vance, yeah.
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Chapter 2: How did Elon Musk's presence in the Oval Office impact President Trump?
Maggie, for anyone who didn't see this or watch it, can you just describe this scene?
It was pretty remarkable, Michael. Elon Musk joined Donald Trump in the Oval Office with Elon Musk's four-year-old child named X, just like the social media website that used to be Twitter that Elon Musk has renamed. And it was for an executive order signing related to how Doge, Musk's so-called cost-cutting initiative, interacts with the hiring process in the federal government.
And Trump really just turned it over to Musk. And Musk just held forth for many, many minutes. I think it was much of the roughly 30-minute event. And he described what he's doing. He kept talking about all of the so-called fraud and waste and abuse that he says they have found.
The most striking allegation for which he provided no evidence and still has not as far as I know was that some government workers were taking kickbacks. Right. That they were getting percentages. I believe it was specifically of USAID spending. But Trump was relegated to sort of a spectator.
in his own office, just sitting at the desk and nodding and occasionally chiming in and criticizing judges. And what was really striking about it, Michael, is that it looked to those of us who have watched him for a long time as if Trump was not enjoying this. I talked to a number of his advisors afterwards. They said he was fine with it.
They said that he, and I don't think that they're making it up. I think that he was defending his guy, Elon Musk, who has gone above and beyond in many ways to try to prove loyalty to Trump. And Trump really likes having the richest man in the world seeking his approval.
Right, well, Zolan and David, I want to bring you in. What immediately stood out about this scene was not just the fact that Elon Musk was there defending and justifying his unusual role. It was just the fact of him holding court next to a sitting President Trump for 30 minutes in this room that is the very definition of American presidential power. It was the stature that it conferred on Musk.
And you all know this, but there's been this running motif here that Musk is a kind of co-president. And Time magazine went so far over the past couple days as to put Musk on the cover of its latest issue, sitting behind the Resolute desk with a coffee mug in his hand. And this scene didn't seem to combat that, or did it?
I mean I cover the White House now, but I used to cover a cabinet agency during Trump round one. And I remember covering that cabinet agency. Officials used to talk about all the time how if they were going to do an announcement, going to have a policy change, Trump needed the spotlight. Like they were very conscious about that. So to see this scene of –
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Chapter 3: Why is Elon Musk's influence considered as a co-presidency?
That Trump got credibility from having Musk saying, basically, I'm bringing the cost-cutting strategies of X and Tesla and SpaceX and those efficiencies to your government and doing this on a scale that has never been done before. The second part that was fascinating to me was what was missing from it. What was what was missing from it was what is the purpose of having these government agencies?
What is the purpose of government? So in describing USAID. Right. Right.
There seems to be an interesting thing happening where the president and Elon Musk believe that to justify their cost-cutting, they need to find and highlight corruption, just egregious cases of bad behavior, when it seems for the most part that's probably not what they're going to find.
Why is it that they're having such a hard time just saying, we want to cut government because we want to cut government? Why do they feel the need to brand everything as corrupt, as kickbacks, to make claims that so malign the workforce, for which there's no evidence?
I think that – well, at least there may be evidence, but they have not shared it with us. Number one, it's Donald Trump's default setting is to call things corrupt when he doesn't like them, to call things corrupt when they disagree with him. I do think that Trump is very radicalized about the government he is leading. I think that has happened since –
the investigations into him in his first term, I think since the multiple criminal indictments he faced, all of the civil cases that he faced. I do think that Trump's contempt for the federal government is genuine. But Trump comes historically from a period in time and a place, New York, 1960s, 70s, 80s, that was run by machine politics, where lots of aspects of government and
Frankly, some aspects of the media, some aspects of the real estate industry were tinged with corruption. And Trump's sort of basic belief, and we hear him articulate this in various ways, is everything is a little corrupt. And he is suggesting in this case it's a lot.
The question also asked, why can't they just say this is about cutting government? I mean, we know from reporting this is not just about cutting the fat off of government, that this is not just about limiting federal spending, that this is also about getting people in office that will implement your agenda without asking questions, without putting up a bureaucratic hurdle.
So it's not just about cutting spending. For him right now, it seems like The definition of corruption is also changing. Corruption, as you were just saying, can be a policy difference. That's right.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of dropping charges against Mayor Eric Adams?
The acting deputy attorney general, who is one of Donald Trump's many personal lawyers and is now in that role, directed the Southern District to dismiss the case, drop the charges. It does require a judge doing it, but also said that they would leave open a review of the case until after the November 2025 mayoral election. Right. It's not dead. It's just not happening right now.
As they say in that memo, it has impeded Adams' ability to do his job, including helping on their immigration crackdown in New York.
There seems to be a quid pro quo implied here.
Which they say is not, by the way, to be clear.
The implied give and take here is that the Democratic mayor of America's biggest city, will become an ally of the president, and most importantly, not a critic of things like his immigration agenda, if and once this administration drops these charges.
I thought this was really a takeaway that there actually wasn't an assessment in this memo on the evidence of this case. But the takeaway was rather an assessment, a political assessment, really, of how Eric Adams would be able to implement Trump's immigration crackdown. That was explicitly said here.
They explicitly said that they weren't making this decision based on the evidence, in fact, which was extraordinary.
Right. I just want to be clear what you guys are saying. The Justice Department, in saying they think these charges should be dropped, basically said we'd really like to work with this mayor to conduct immigration raids and get undocumented immigrants out of New York City.
And we see this case as a hurdle in order to doing that. That was the primary reason. And it's worth noting that Eric Adams as well early on in the Biden administration was one of the earliest Democrats to attack the previous administration over immigration, made a lot of noise, which this current president also noticed.
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Chapter 5: How does Trump's influence extend beyond the federal government?
Maggie, I want to understand why a president who wrote a book called The Art of the Deal, who sees himself as a master negotiator, would start a peace process that many people believe should start now between Russia and Ukraine by giving away so much leverage to Russia. On top of what David described,
The Trump administration in the past couple of days has said that Ukraine should not enter NATO, the alliance that would protect it from future Russian invasion. It has said that Ukraine is never going to return to its pre-invasion borders. Between those two proclamations and Trump's with Putin, it really does feel like he's starting a peace process almost entirely on Russia's terms.
Why would he give away that much leverage to Russia?
You answered your question because his interest is not in preserving what Ukraine wants. He is much more interested in forging a durable relationship between the U.S. and Russia. He is very interested in his personal relationship with Putin. To be clear about this, he is very obsessed with nuclear war and nuclear capabilities. And this has been one of his obsessions about Russia for years.
There was one piece of leverage he did not give away. And he was open about it, which is that he's going to continue providing aid to Ukraine because he does recognize that there is leverage there. Interesting. But he also put some conditions on it.
And so it's not a total giveaway of all the chits, but he is making clear that he believes that this will arrive at a faster place and a place that he can live with. And he is a skeptic of Zelensky and he is a skeptic of Ukraine. And he has been very clear about that for a long time.
I'm coming to learn, too, that it's very difficult to put Trump into one of like the traditional labels that we use.
For foreign policy. For foreign policy.
For any policy. Isolationist, imperialist. You know, covering this more and more, the word I just keep coming back to is transactional. He has this view where, you know, each nation, allies are just taking advantage of the United States. And what are we getting in return?
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